>> go support folds of honor and see all of us. >> go to fox nation.com/patriot awards to find out more. >> diamond and silk will be tr, too. >> have a great day. >> tomorrow is friday. >> bill: a lot of breaking news, three big events coming your way. let's get to it. 30 minutes from now house impeachment investigators will interview a key witness who was blocked a week ago from giving testimony. at 10:30 president trump heads to dallas for big rally tonight. will he talk with reporters on his way out? we'll follow that. major news conference out of turkey, vice president mike pence and secretary of state mike pompeo will speak with reporters after their big meeting with the turkish president erdogan. we'll track that for you. more inside "america's newsroom." first, however, sad news breaking earlier today out of washington a prominent democratic lawmaker has died. congressman elijah cummings

served his city of baltimore for over two decades dying after a long-time health complications and where we begin this morning. this was a stunner. bill hemmer, welcome to our coverage today. >> sandra: we'll reflect back on his life. good morning. i'm sandra smith. reaction pouring in from capitol hill and beyond remembering a man who was both a giant during the civil rights movement as well as a major presence in the entire impeachment inquiry sitting at the helm of the oversight committee. >> bill: we got a tweet from the president. my warmest condolences to the family and many friends of congressman elijah cummings. i got to see firsthand the strength, wisdom of this political leader. his work and voice on so many fronts will be very hard if impossible to replace. griff jenkins live outside his home office in baltimore.

>> he began serving the maryland congressional district in 1986 and his career was in the house of delegates and known as a legend on capitol hill as chairman of the overnight and reform committee. we hear from the governor of maryland larry hogan who put this statement out. he leaves behind an incredible legacy of fighting for baltimore city and working to improve people's lives. he was a passionate and dedicated public servant whose contributions made our state and country better. chairman cummings drew bipartisan outpourings this morning. no one perhaps more known than chairman congressman mark meadows. his friendship was well-known. it was in the news in recent years. here is what cummings friend mark meadows put out just a little while ago saying there was no better, no stronger advocate and better friend than elijah cummings. i'm heartbroken for his wonderful family and staff.

pray for him. i will miss him dearly. he also had a statement put out by his wife dr. cummings, the chairperson of the maryland democrat party here. she is obviously heartbroken saying she was glad to walk by his side. here you have a couple of people here that turned out. one a baltimore city firefighters behind me holding the sign saying thank you, mr. cummings. for your service. it will be a long day as the news starts hitting the folks here as they are just getting their day started. he is survived by his wife and three children. chairman cummings was 68 years old. bill and sandra. >> bill: thank you, reporting there in baltimore this morning. more coming up on that reaction. >> sandra: back at home the fallout over the syria crisis creating a dramatic scene at the white house yesterday. right now vice president mike pence and secretary of state mike pompeo are in turkey meeting with president erdogan. we expect a news conference

around 11:00 a.m. eastern time. two hours from now. so will they get a cease-fire? meanwhile back in washington democrats storming out of that white house meeting on syria. president trump and speaker pelosi accusing each other of having a meltdown. >> what we witnessed on the part of the president was a meltdown. sad to say. >> he was insulting particularly to the speaker. she kept her cool completely. but he called her a third rate politician. >> the pattern of behavior with speaker nancy pelosi, she storms out of another meeting trying to make it unproductive. when there is a time of crisis leaders should stay whether they like what is said or not and work to solve a problem. to me that's a definition of leadership, not to run. >> sandra: new reaction from congressman scott perry of the foreign affairs committee. we begin with chief white house correspondent john roberts traveling with the vice

president in ankara, turkey this morning. john. >> good afternoon to you from turkey. the vice president and secretary of state mike pompeo flew here overnight and currently at the presidential palace. the way it is going to work the vice president will hold a one-on-one meeting with president erdogan of turkey and then they'll hold an expanded bilateral meeting to include the secretary of state, ambassador and several other u.s. officials. robert o'brien the new national security advisor as well. about 2 1/2 hours from now just after that press conference i'll sit down for an exclusive interview with the vice president here at the u.s. ambassador's residence in an kara. the vice president and secretary of state expected to be tough on erdogan today. president trump has made it clear he wants nothing short of an immediate cease-fire in syria. in a letter he sent to erdogan back on october 9th the president saying clearly history will look upon you favorably if you get this done

the right and humane way. it will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen. don't be a tough guy. don't be a fool. the president seemed to send conflicting signals yesterday when he said that the fight between turkey and the kurds has nothing to do with the united states. some people thought that's really going to complicate the vice president's mission over here. the president is insistent what he really wants is a cease-fire despite the fact that turkey and the kurds have been going after each other for centuries now. as you mentioned at the top of this, d.c. is also all the wag today with what happened yesterday afternoon at the white house when the democratic leadership walked out of a meeting with president trump after congress passed a resolution by a huge margin, bipartisan resolution, to condemn what the president did in syria. the president tweeting quote nancy pelosi needs help fast.

there is either something wrong with her upstairs or she just doesn't plain like our great country. she had a total meltdown in the white house today. pray for her. she is a very sick person. as you pointed out at the top here, while the president says it was the speaker of the house who had the meltdown, the speaker of the house is saying no, no, it was the president who had the meltdown. listen here. >> we had a vote in the congress 364-60 opposing his actions that he took in syria. he couldn't handle it. he just couldn't handle it. 2-1 republicans voted to oppose what he was doing in syria. he couldn't handle it and he engaged in a meltdown. >> there will be a lot of fallout from that in washington, d.c. on the ground in ankara what happens in the next couple of hours really could tell the

tale of what will happen in syria in the coming days and weeks. >> sandra: much more from you and turkey throughout the day. >> bill: back to washington moments ago this happened. the u.s. ambassador of the e.u. gordon sondland arrived. he will be giving some testimony behind closed doors today. he arrived a moment ago on the hill. congressman scott perry a republican from pennsylvania. good morning to you. you've been in the thick of all these interviews. first our condolences on the loss of your colleague elijah cummings. >> absolutely. chairman cummings was a fierce advocate for his district, for his community and for the things he believed in. he was well respected and loved and beloved by all members of congress and the staff. even though we had our differences we understood that we each had our place to be and elijah cummings not only lived in history but made history on a regular basis and as the

president said, almost impossible to replace someone like that and so our deepest and heart felt condolences go out to his family, friends, staff and to the community, his beloved community of baltimore. >> bill: i'm sure his widow and family appreciate the commentary. gordon sondland. what will he give behind closed doors today? >> he will give an account of any involvement that he had in the questions regarding ukraine. he saw that particularly and much of europe within his purview and so he acted in that accord. and so i'm sure he has got his story to tell. but i will tell you so far we haven't seen anything that supports the unfortunate move towards and what i would consider a stampede towards impeachment where we're out looking for the crime which is what is happening right now. it's happening behind closed doors. this should be in front of the

american people so that we can all see the testimony and hear the stories and not have it cherry picked and leaked out selectively to support one narrative. we stand for equal justice and due process in this country and that's not what is happening right now. >> bill: here is the exchange of text messages that many have clung to over the past several weeks. bill taylor and gordon sondland. i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance with help with a political campaign. i believe you're in correct. the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind. is that the end of the argument for you? it would seem like there is a lot more to the story. >> there is a lot more to the story but people don't maybe realize that mr. taylor is fashioning his remarks on an article that he read in "politico". if you read the article, of course, that's the assumption.

ambassador sondland is correctly stating having spoken directly to the president that that is not the story whatsoever. there is more to the story to tell but i think that's a big part of it and that's what we keep hearing while the assertions keep being made about the president it comes back to the fact that that's not the case whatsoever. >> bill: let's see what happens inside. some of these interviews have gone nine hours. one more story to get to dealing with turkey. bipartisan resolution passed yesterday. the house overwhelmingly, the vote was 354-60 to express their dissatisfaction with the move on behalf of the commander-in-chief. what does that vote tell the american people? >> what it tells the american people is that this is an incredibly complex situation where american service members are caught between two american allies that have habitually and traditionally been at odds with one another. the mission is somewhat unclear and results are unclear. even though members of

congress, many of them agree with the fact that what are we doing in syria, what is our mission there, are american lives going to be lost in support of what? at the same time we don't want these isis fighters who are detained there to be let out. what is the security situation there? it is a deeply complicated issue. >> bill: it's clear that republicans in the house just rebuked a republican president. >> i think for my position in particular is that the situation is imperfect and we don't know everything but we have concerns not only for our nato allies, the turkish people, but also for our long-time friend and ally in the fight, the kurds. but also for our own national security regarding the potential release of isis prisoners there. so it's all put in that resolution. >> bill: thank you for your time. a lot to get to. scott perry. we have a headliner next hour white house hogan gidley.

then the house minority whip steve scalise who was in the meeting yesterday at the white house. our guest at 11:30. stay tuned. did you get all that? >> >> sandra: the louisiana congressman has taken issue with the secrecy with the impeachment proceedings and wants more open. other news we're following this morning. joe biden. is his campaign in trouble? the former vice president raising much less money than his leading democratic rivals in the last quarter. how is he defending those numbers today? >> bill: ronan farrow speaking out last night slamming nbc news for their handling of these allegations. howie kurtz will break it down for us. he reports on that shortly. stay tuned. >> there is a tough conversation happening at nbc. after i've unveiled in years where they claimed no secret settlements in fact many of them including ones with matt

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>> sandra: britain clinching a tentative deal with the european union. mostly the same plan as the 2018 withdrawal agreement but allows good to move freely between ireland and northern ireland. boris johnson wants parliament to ratify the brexit agreement this weekend. >> you're saying the american people will be able to see all the transcripts. how soon will that happen? >> when our investigation is over. i just want to be clear. a fair question why are we doing this part behind closed doors? it is because this is a tight circle of people who saw the president's shakedown scheme. we don't want witnesses sharing with each other what they heard or what they did. >> bill: democrat eric swalwell with martha awaiting sondland's testimony on the hill.

democrats say they will release interview transcripts at some point. adam schiff revealing more in a letter that went public yesterday. let's talk about that with the senior legal fellow and former justice office official. schiff says we'll do public hearings. he didn't say when and who would be there. what is your read on what he revealed in that letter? start there. >> having public hearings at some point in the future is not adequate. look, they are engaging in one of the most serious undertakings the house can do. schiff doesn't really have a reason or an excuse for why he is barring, for example, members of the other committees that are involved in this impeachment investigation from these depositions. why is he not allowing them to participate, to sit in on them and ask questions? how can you have a complete and

credible investigation if the members of the other committees are barred from questioning witnesses? it makes no sense. >> bill: republicans are beating him up on that and they haven't moved or changed their position. in the meantime you have gordon sondland on the hill. he was blocked a week ago. why would the white house change their strategy a week later and allow him to give this interview? what changed? >> i think what's changed is the texts and other information that has come out on sondland are good for the white house and bad frankly for the democrats. his texts show that he had a conversation with the president and told others involved in have been concerned about for years, is the corruption inside the ukraine and the fact that we've been sending them a lot of money and we should always be concerned. if we're providing foreign aid to a country where corruption

is ripe. >> bill: maybe sondland clears it up. i came across a quote from a democrat from california on the house intelligence committee and part of the questioning. she said the most important threat we're teasing out is the fact the president of the united states has been running a shadow foreign policy with rudy giuliani who is a private citizen. he has no credentials and it is confusing our allies around the world and thrilling our adversaries. i asked where is the crime in that? is that a direction where they're headed right now? >> yeah, they're disagreeing with the president's conduct of foreign policy. that's neither a violation of federal law and the president has broad authority. think about how many instances in the past where prior presidents have actually asked private citizens to take on missions for them abroad. a quick google search and you will turn up a lot of them.

there is nothing illegal about that whatsoever. it is just they don't like the way he is conducting foreign policy. that's not an impeachable offense. >> bill: that's all you have right now interesting to see how the public feels about it. thanks for coming back here. we'll speak again. many more issues to get through. thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> sandra: texas senator ted cruz slamming lebron james. money man charles payne will take that up next hour. ronan farrow slamming nbc in a new interview. howard kurtz will join us on that next.

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became explicit orders to stop. we had a story that journalists looked at and said it should get on air immediately. a recorded admission of guilt from harvey weinstein. multiple named women in every draft of the story. a case where a news organization didn't behave journalisticly. >> sandra: the news division faces more fallout against matt lauer. women's advocacy group is demanding the dnc pull its next debate until nbc who is hosting that debate cleans house. howie kurtz is the host of "media buzz" and joins us on those big news items. what case did farrow make in that interview that nbc was not behaving journalisticly. >> he made a measured case. the network is struggling two years later to explain why it spiked the story that kicked off the me too era against

harvey weinstein and never asked for an outside investigation. for example. when ronan farrow says the top brass at nbc new of secret settlements some with women who worked there and some matt lauer accusers, he denies these allegations, nbc comes back with a vague statements, no secret settlements, just severance. not explaining which women were paid and releasing them from confidentiality agreements. it is having trouble convincing its own staff it handled it properly. >> we spent many, many hours discussing all of this with nbc leadership and every party discussed in the book. none of these responses are surprise because they're in there alongside the paper trail that i document and the meticulously fact checked reporting and the facts will speak for itself. it has held up to scrutiny from multiple news organizations. >> sandra: he was responding to nbc suggesting that this book that he has written is a smear.

>> nbc is in deep damage control mode now attacking him personally. you saw the way he handled that. not returning fire with fire but just saying look, i have the facts on my side. i have the book, i've got people i've talked to at nbc and elsewhere. also interesting from the interview was the sort of personal side. we forget these are human beings. ronan farrow talked about how he grappled with this personally because of the sexual abuse allegations against his father woody all en against his sister. how he believes it was weaponized against him in the interview by people like harvey weinstein in legal threat letters. he tries to be objective despite his personal history. >> sandra: i want to ask you about the women's group calling on the dnc to cancel the next presidential debate. the fifth one hosted by msnbc and "washington post" unless

the co-sponsor nbc news cleans house is their demand. ultraviolent action, a women's advocacy organization. what do you make of them calling on the dnc to do this and do you think anything might actually come of it? >> i understand why women's groups would be upset. i see zero chance of nbc walking away. beyond that the only way the debate would seriously be threatened would be if some of the democratic candidates threatened not to show up. not only is there no sign of that but they go on msnbc all the time. they're democrats and they feel comfortable there. >> sandra: they want them to clean house. we'll see what happens with all of it. thank you. >> bill: so we have the rival of a key witness for today's impeachment matter arriving on the hill for the closed door testimony. that appearance today allowed by the white house after it was

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>> bill: 9:32. a key figure in the inquiry today facing lawmakers at this hour. the u.s. ambassador to the e.u. gordon sondland arriving moments ago for the closed door interview. catherine herridge watching that. what's significant about him today? >> good morning. gordon sondland matters. he is at the center of the

discussions about ukraine in september, six weeks after the president's phone call with the ukrainian leader. that phone call is at the heart of the democrats' impeachment inquiry. gordon sondland is the current u.s. ambassador to the european union. before that post he was a very successful businessman and donated generously to the president's inaugural committee $1 million. what matters today is he has defended the president's action in a series of text messages. most important text message came in early september and that involved a senior diplomat bill taylor. he texted i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. sondland responds i believe you're in correct about president trump's intention. the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind. i suggest we stop the back and forth by text. separately fox news has confirmed elements of the former special envoy kurt volker's testimony to the same

committee on october 3. volker matters because he is the connective tissue between the career diplomats and members of the trump administration. volker told house investigators based on sources with direct knowledge of that testimony that by august, five weeks after the phone call, the ukrainians still had no idea that military assistance had been withheld. significantly they had already secured a high-profile meeting with then national security advisor john bolton. volker said quote, in that context, i think the ukrainians felt like things are going to right direction and they had not done anything on a biden investigation. so volker testified they didn't know about the military aid. they thought things were moving forward and they had done nothing to advance the request by the president to look into these corruption allegations against joe biden and his son, bill. >> bill: thank you, catherine herridge watching that interview today.

>> sandra: reaction continues to pour in from capitol hill this morning as we mourn the death of elijah cummings. the flag at the white house has just been lowered to half staff. the congressman's wife saying he worked until his last breath because he believed our democracy was the highest and best expression of our collective humanity. it has been an honor to walk by his side on this incredible journey. i loved him and will miss him dearly. dan kildee, the chief democratic whip and member of the ways and means committee. our condolences to you as you mourn the loss of your colleague. >> thank you. this is a really tough day for all of us. elijah was one of the first people i connected with when i came here seven years ago. you know, i come from flint, michigan. they know who their congressman is but they also know about elijah cummings because it was elijah who held those first

hearings on the flint water crisis. he came to flint and he was able to put on the record with the power of his gavel the facts that we had revealed to us about that crisis and is a real hero to the people of my hometown because frankly, he stood up for them and he did it in a way that was bold and you know he could be very candid but it was always really dignified. a personal loss to a lot of us. it is a terrible loss for the country. really a loss for congress. >> sandra: so many stories will be shared today. thank you for sharing yours as we remember the congressman today dead at the age of 68. meanwhile congressman on capitol hill we have now the arrival of another key witness before the impeachment committees. what do you expect from ambassador sondland? where does all this go next? >> it's important we get as much information about what the intent of this administration

was in engaging ukraine. obviously he was in the center of that despite the fact his portfolio did not include ukraine. so he will have to answer some questions. i will say this, that i think it is the right thing for individuals like ambassador sondland and others to come and testify before the committee. i'm not a member of the any of the relevant committees and haven't been able to participate. what i've heard is that whether it's the depositions or the hearings that are happening behind closed doors, they're happening in a way that's serious and somber and getting to the facts. i think that's a good thing. i will say this, many of us are offended by the behavior of the president without additional information to corroborate it. he has put it out there himself in terms of his plea to ukraine to investigate biden. >> sandra: some of your frustrations i hear from you right now are the frustrations shared with many republicans on capitol hill. that is the secrecy of these

meetings and closed door sessions and question and answer. and the lack of transparency in the process. it sounds like that frustrates you as well because you aren't in that room and don't know exactly what's being said. >> i'm not frustrated by that. i think the intelligence committee in particular has to conduct its inquiry has it has under democratic and republican leadership on sensitive matters that may reveal intelligence information. i'm fine with that. i do think ultimately, however, the record will have to be shared with the full congress as these facts are revealed so that people, democrats and republicans, can make their own judgments about what process we want to move forward with. i don't have any difficulty with the fact that particularly around intelligence committee matters that they continue to operate in the way that they traditionally operated. >> sandra: that is the issue for republicans as you well know. house democrats and nancy pelosi making it very clear that they will not hold an impeachment vote. steve scalise your republican colleague is reacting to that

very strongly. here is the congressman from louisiana. >> they are scared to death to vote on this and why she has refused to bring a vote up so far to shield their members and why she and schiff are trying to hide from the public what's really going on. this isn't just a witch hunt and a sham. no due process. nancy pelosi might think she can ram this through. she will not take away the will of the voters. >> sandra: your reaction to that? >> it's patently ridiculous. 228 members of the house of representatives and one independent member have called for the impeachment inquiry. there is no precedent that requires a vote to take place to say we're going to do something that the speaker has determined we're -- >> sandra: why not? do you want to see it come up for a vote? >> i told my colleagues the other day i could be fine either way. there is no necessity for it. where mr. scalise is flatly wrong is that nobody is afraid to be on the record on this question. we're already on the record on

this question. we came to those conclusions on our own. and nearly unanimous support within the democratic caucus and one independent made it clear it's the position we hold. the concern many of us have had, however, is that if every time some procedural issue is raised legitimate or not, we're supposed to jump. it's insane. for example, do we think if we held a vote which would get all, if not all, nearly all democrats to vote for it, would mr. scalise then say oh, okay, fine. i guess we can move forward now. i don't think that's what's going on. they don't want to argue the facts or defend the president's behavior so they're attacking the process. a process we're following very carefully. for example. in those hearings republicans are asking all the questions that they want to ask, having their time allotted to them. i think it's a fair process. >> sandra: quite a battle brewing that's for sure both in the white house and that

meeting yesterday and on capitol hill. congressman, we appreciate your time this morning. we'll check back in with you soon, thank you. >> thanks for having me on. >> bill: breaking news, the u.s. pushing for a cease-fire in the syrian crisis. pence and pompeo meeting with president erdogan. what will they get done? the retired four star general jack keane is on deck and he has analysis in a moment. >> sandra: 2020 democrat mayor pete buttigieg ramping up attacks on elizabeth warren on her medicare for all plan. our a-team will be next. >> she was more specific and forthcoming about the number of selfies she has taken rather than how the plan will be funded. that's a problem. there is a better way to deliver healthcare coverage to everybody. one call to newday usa can save you $2,000 every year.

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erdogan warning him that sanctions will take place, very tough sanctions will now be issued against turkey for their misbehavior in invading syria against our warnings. >> bill: that from the white house late yesterday. president trump sending a letter to turkey. a major meeting in the turkish capital right now. jack keane is here. how are you sir? good day. mike pompeo, mike pence have been in an hour for erdogan. was it wise to go to turkey? >> absolutely. if we can get a cease-fire and negotiate the buffer zone that we had been negotiating before erdogan decided to stop that and invade. that's clearly the right answer. the president's letter is all about that. because what we want to do is get back to the negotiating table with a cease-fire or else i'll hammer you with sanctions and you can see that the congress of the united states

is united on this. they're getting ready to hammer turkey with sanctions as well. >> bill: what is erdogan's incentive if he wants to either avoid the sanctions or if he wants to complete the military operation that appears to have widespread support on behalf of his own people. >> he wants to complete the military operation. they put a lot of weeks into this as military leaders have prepared for it. he wants to establish about a 30-mile buffer zone from the euphrates river valley to iraq. he is concerned about the kurds for the last five years we have armed the kurds significantly to be able to help us defeat isis. they did the lion's share of the fighting, took 10,000 casualties in terms of being killed in doing that. but also became, bill, a very effective fighting force. so when erdogan looks across the border he sees not syrian kurds ypg. he sees pkk related to the

turkish pkk insurgency and they are better armed and better fighters than what he is dealing with. >> bill: erdogan wants to allow 3 1/2 million refugees that have come into turkey from syria to be returned to syria in the sliver of area in the northeastern part of the country. how big a threat from the kurds been to the turks? why does he have so much support? >> he is paranoid by the turkish pkk and knows the syrian kurds, the ypg does have a relationship with that organization and they do support it politically but they have not been involved militarily because they've been after isis all this time. >> bill: here is the letter. you saw it, right? part of it now. president trump writes you don't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people and i don't want to be responsible for destroying the turkish economy, and i will. history will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way.

it will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen. don't be a tough guy. don't be a fool. what do you think of that? >> i think it's a good letter. it reflects the way president trump talks and so he knows that was written by the president and he has a no nonsense approach to it. hopefully something comes of the negotiations here with vice president pence and secretary pompeo. they are doing a press conference without turkey. i doubt if there will be a cease-fire. if there was going to be a cease-fire. >> meaning if it's just pompeo on the stage it's not a good signal. >> if there was a cease-fire i think turkey would be participating in the press conference and have a joint announcement. we don't know for a fact. >> bill: conventional wisdom through this is isis will be fortified through this operation. what is your feeling on that? >> oh my, there is no doubt that isis will return. it is not a possibility, it is guaranteed, bill. here is why.

there is 18,000 isis fighters operating between iraq and syria right now. according to ambassador jeffries, who is president trump's personal envoy, there are 10,000 isis fighters in 20 detention centers guarded by the kurds. that's a significant force if you put it together, 28,000. that's pretty close to where we began with isis in 2014. so they are going to come back as a result of our pulling away. if we pull the air power out and we don't have any control of the airspace, then we have major problems also. not only the return of isis but the iranance will take the old fields in eastern syria and undercut the president's maximum pressure campaign for economic sanctions. >> bill: i hope you stick around at the 11:00 a.m. hour. we should see mike pence and mike pompeo and see what happens then. >> sandra: dueling rallies in

texas tonight. both president trump and beto o'rourke heading to dallas as they fight for the lone star state in 2020. is it in jeopardy of flipping from red to blue? >> bill: two more men facing federal charges in new york. what can we expect today in court. we'll tell you in a moment. els.. ...and earn a free night. because when your business is rewarding yourself, our business is you. book direct at choicehotels.com

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rudy giuliani are slated to be arraigned in federal court on a charge of conspiracy. they are charged along with two other co-defendants conspiring to use money, at least $1 million from a foreign source for illegal political contributions to win influence for a recreational marijuana business. who other defendants indicted but won't be in court today face more serious charges that involve a former congressman and giuliani. they are both u.s. citizens born in the former soviet union assisted giuliani to dig up information about the bidens in ukraine and paid giuliani for legal work. according to a 21-page indictment they made illegal campaign contributions to seek help removing or recall the u.s. ambassador to the ukraine who some trump supporters considered critical of the administration. that unnamed former congressman

has been identified as pete sessions, a grand jury has issued sessions a subpoena for records in the case including documents that deal with giuliani. in a separate matter the same indictment says the two men made an illegal 325,000 dollar contribution to a pro-trump super pac using a bogus company to conceal their involvement and the true source of the money. the indictment reads in part, they had no significant prior history of political donations sought to advance their personal, financial interests and the political interests of at least one ukrainian government official with whom they are working. clearly this is a complex and also an ongoing investigation. the arraignments will be taking place at 3:30 this afternoon. the other two arraignments, those are slated to take place next week. as for giuliani, he says he has done nothing wrong and was only trying to uncover corruption in ukraine. sandra. >> sandra: we'll be watching

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from washington, d.c. all the way to ankara, turkey. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom," things are moving fast. good morning, i'm sandra smith. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning. any moment now president trump leaves the white house. got a big rally later tonight in dallas, texas. also later speaker pelosi will speak to reporters this hour a day after a wild meeting at the white house and then in one hour major news conference out of ankara, turkey. mike pence and mike pompeo behind closed doors right now with the turkish president. >> sandra: new reaction to the passing of a political heavy weight. elijah cummings has passed away at the age of 68. his life and legacy being honored today. >> bill: doug mcelway joins us with coverage from the hill. >> capitol hill is stunned over the apparent sudden death of congressman elijah cummings. it had long been known he was suffering from ill health. he had had heart problems.

knee problems with gravity of his illness was largely unknown. also largely unknown was that he had been confined to a wheelchair on capitol hill for the most part for some time. television crews seldom saw that with his figure seated as chairman or ranking member of committee on government oversight. he served as a powerful and eloquent foil to republican arguments and agends. the son of a sharecropper descended from slaves and told as a child he would never become the lawyer that he aspired to be. that drove him to succeed. he was president of his class at howard university. graduated from the university of maryland law school. one memorable picture of him during the riots trying to restore calm during. the president who once chastised him for his

rat-infested district tweeted my condolences. i saw the strength, passion and wisdom of this highly respected political leader. other condolences are pouring in around capitol hill today. house majority leader steny hoyer said cummings was a man of principle, patriotism and conviction. and republican congressman jim jordan said he injected an unyielding passion and purpose into his work on the committee. any sort of memorial arrangements are being arranged at this point on the hill. >> bill: lawmakers continue to interview witnesses as part of the house impeachment matter. what can you tell us about today's witness and what will come of it? >> a sign there will be little time for grief for congressman cummings up here. right now closed door testimony continues in adam schiff's secret hearings. being deposed right now is

gordon sondland, ambassador. in his opening statement, bill, he is telling the committee something that gets right to the heart of adam schiff's allegations of a quid pro quo. he says in that opening statement quote, i do not recall that mr. giuliani discussed former vice president biden or his son, hunter, with me. we'll learn much more as the day progresses, bill. >> bill: doug mcelway watching a lot from the hill. nice to see you, doug. >> that's the greatest insult to the american people. not the names that the president calls people, but then he has no plan to deal with what could be a huge problem not just in syria, but here in america. because isis can hurt us. >> sandra: the senate's top democrat there after storming out of a meeting with president trump on syria at the white house. meanwhile high level u.s. delegation in turkey right now pushing president erdogan to accept a cease-fire.

let's bring in our headliner this morning, hogan gidley, white house press secretary. can you tell us anything that has come from that meeting so far? >> not yet. the vice president is going to hold a press conference shortly to discuss the conversation he had with president erdogan. secretary of state mike pompeo was also part of that meeting. the president wanted a cease-fire. the media for so long has been lying about another topic and it was turkey saying that we had green lighted this advance by turkey and president erdogan. we clearly did not. the letter was released as well. everyone has seen what president trump warned president erdogan about. and said he would work to cripple their economy if they move forward with this and don't meet the conditions set. that's where we are today. crippling sanctions on turkey. we sent a high-level delegation over led by the vice president of the united states to have the discussion and try to bring some of this fighting to a close. >> bill: two specific

questions, will erdogan appear publicly with pence and pompeo today, yes or no? >> i'm not aware of that. >> bill: will erdogan visit the white house in november? >> it is on the calendar. i don't have an any announcement to make as any changes. >> bill: has erdogan accepted that invitation? >> if he hasn't i'm not aware of that. >> bill: on the green light here if you take 1,000 u.s. troops out of northeastern syria it clearly has given a lot of people the impression that's the green light that erdogan needed. that buffer area is removed of u.s. forces from the area. can't you see how that impression would be given in this operation? >> well yeah, if that were the truth. it's not the truth. the fact is we were told by president erdogan he was going to move on the kurds. turkey is a nato ally. we also have allies in the kurds. let's be clear about what happened here. the president was faced with a serious choice. these are the decisions that this man has to make every day.

with 26, 28 troops standing between turkey an advancing force into syria to attack the kurds. if donald trump hadn't made the decision to pull those people out of the crossfire and those people died we would have a conversation that donald trump made a horrific decision when erdogan warned him. the democrats in this instance only want to attack the president because his name is donald trump. if this were any other president. president smith, they would be praising it as protecting the american soldiers in harms way. this attack was going to happen. donald trump made the prudent decision based on the information given by his generals and experts in the middle east to get those people out of the way to protect their lives. he did that and they will live to fight another day. >> sandra: republicans joined democrats in passing that house resolution condemning the u.s. troop pull-out. how is the president reacting this morning? >> listen, this is just another

move by a democrat congress and some of the republicans who want to continue these types of aggressive wars and our occupation in areas as a peacekeeping force, a police force if you will. donald trump ran on an issue to bring people home and to get our soldiers out of harm's way. he won on that issue and now surprisingly enough only in d.c. would it be shocking that a politician who runs on an issue actually moves to implement that issue would surprise them. this is what he wants to do to bring our soldiers home, stop spending billions of dollars wasting time and treasure, wasting lives. that's what he doesn't want to have happen here and why he made the decision. let's be clear. he has a force there. so we can move back in if need be. this is one decision by erdogan to attack the kurds and we just simply got out of the middle of that fight. we only had 28 people there to protect those lives and he made the right choice. >> bill: there is a consideration to reverse this based on that last answer,

that's possible based on the presence on the ground there. do you believe it's possible to reverse what has happened? >> listen, the president has the right to protect american assets overseas and protect the american people at all costs. he will do that. he has been very clear about that. right now we're moving to diplomatic solutions working with our vice president and our secretary of state as you know coming up at the top of the hour. to alert the american people about those conversations. we want the temperature brought down. >> bill: the meeting at the white house yesterday escalated quickly. what happened inside that room? >> i have seen nancy pelosi act this way now multiple times in multiple meetings. she takes the opportunity when she is invited to the white house, to have a simple conversation but serious ones about what we're doing at our southern border, for example. what we're doing in syria, for example. she takes that opportunity to stand up and actually dictate or try to to the president of

the united states, to push her agenda, to begin to escalate and hijack the meeting to simply insult the president of the united states. the president fought back. when we were talking about the southern border she refused to listen to the briefings by the men and women who put their lives on the line every day. she did it again yesterday with four star generals in the room telling her exactly the strategy of what was going on. she refused to hear it. stood up, yelled at the president, and then stormed out. she has done this time and time again. i was just outside. i heard this activity the whole time and i will say when she actually left the room, came out and got her phone she was extremely disrespectful to our staff calling them incompetent and she does that repeatedly as well. it is very disgraceful behavior for a speaker of the house to act that way. >> sandra: she says there will be no full vote on house floor, her words, we don't do bluffs. what is the white house reaction to that? >> we don't do what?

>> sandra: bluffs. >> oh, bluffs. i couldn't hear you. it is windy out here today. listen, nancy pelosi is very -- has shown kind of what she wants to do and that's absolutely nothing. she comes back the other day after congress had a six-week vacation in the summer. they come back for a couple of days and leave for another two weeks. that warrants more vacation. she comes back to the microphones and says we really have no agenda. we're focusing on impeachment. she isn't talking about usmca in a serious capacity. she doesn't talk about closing the border. she doesn't talk about military movements in syria with any seriousness. she just wants to attack the president. she has lied about this process from the beginning. her and adam schiff continue to lie to the american people and congress about what's going on because the president has done nothing wrong. they continue to move forward with impeachment because she has completely lost control of

her caucus. it is now ruled by the radicals and that's where we sit today. >> bill: what do you think of the vote that happened in the house yesterday condemning the move into turkey and you may see a similar vote in the senate? hogan, these are republicans rebuking a republican president. >> many of them are. they didn't get elected to be the president of the united states, donald trump did. he got elected on this agenda. listen, the president is very prudent in these methods and what he is doing. barack obama got out of iraq and just cleared the decks for isis to become a major issue. he called them the jv team. to hear democrats lecture us on mistakes in the middle east is comical. they are really the cause of why we were there for so long in the first place. this president made a prudent decision to protect our troops in harm's way but we are still in the region. we will protect u.s. assets overseas and we'll protect the american people at all costs all of the time. >> sandra: the president will head down to texas today.

we know he will be in dallas. what is the president's message going to be there, hogan? >> listen, he will talk about all the successes that we've been able to accomplish in this administration in such a short time. businesses being opened and one of the reasons we're going to texas today. in most of his rallies he reminds the american people what he has been able to do. the economy is seeing record highs. he rebuilt the military. african-american, asian american, hispanic american unemployment at record lows. this is incredible story to share with the american people. so often the media blows right past it. they would rather focus on palace intrigue, not policy and the real american lives that have been impacted positively by the president, his trade deals and now we have the economy soaring because so much business is coming back into this country. democrats don't have that to run on at all. >> bill: you have five or six members from the house retiring from the state of texas, are

you concerned about losing that state in 2020? how real is that possibility? >> look, again i really can't talk too much about politics as you know for the hatch act. i can tell you this, with the record this president has to run on, everybody should glob onto that and hold onto that like grim death. the democrats have to wake up and smell what they're shoveling. the american people deserve a congress that actually works for them. we have been working basically alone with a few members on the right. some republicans to make these record-setting accomplishments in record-setting times and the democrats have done absolutely nothing except subvert the constitution at every turn and attack this president since the day he was elected. it is disgraceful. they have to get to work for the american people. the president wakes up every day and does just that. >> sandra: hogan, were you in the room when the parents of harry dunn, this 19-year-old british man who was killed by

the wife of a u.s. diplomat overseas driving on the wrong side of the road and she fled. she was at the white house along with the victim's parents and then the parents said that the president's team tried to arrange a meeting with the parents and the woman who killed their son. those parents appeared this morning on another network and they described that moment as an ambush. were you there? what happened? how do you explain that? >> i have spoken with the president directly about this. it is a horrific situation. he offered his condolences to the family and understands the gravity of this moment and the situation. he did this simply on the behest of boris johnson to meet with that family. he wasn't trying to ambush anybody. he wanted to offer his condolences and understood exactly what was going on and the diplomatic relationship we share with the u.k. as well and simply trying to offer his condolences to a grieving family. >> sandra: did he apply

pressure on that family to meet with that woman? >> absolutely not. he was wonderful in that setting. explained exactly how heart felt and how sad he was about the situation. that's all that was to offer his condolences. >> sandra: they described the president's aides as henchman and the scene as terrifying. >> that's their description. i didn't get any of that when i talked to the president about the situation. he was the one calming everybody down and saying i'm just here to offer my condolences to you who suffered such a horrific loss. that's what this president does in these situations. sad that people come out and look, they are entitled to their own opinion about the matter. but the president didn't pressure anybody. he doesn't do that in those situation. he is a father. he is a grandfather. he understands this type of sadness. he talks to people across the

country who have lost loved ones in tragedies. this is no different. >> bill: how stunning was the news about the passing of elijah cummings? >> it is a sad day. the president obviously tweeted about it. expressed his condolences, his sadness as well. he is an icon, a formidable political foe but serving this country for a long time. the flags are going down to half staff as well. this is a sad day for this country and we wish his family and loved ones the best. >> bill: thank you for your time today. hope you come back real soon. a lot to cover as you know. hogan gidley from the north lawn. 16 past the hour. the nba china scandal. why tucker carlson argues america is in the race of its life against china because of people like lebron james. what does he mean by that? >> sandra: mayor pete buttigieg taking the gloves off against elizabeth warren about the cost

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>> bill: the turkish capital. this is the meeting between mike pence and the turkish president erdogan. >> sandra: this is the bilateral meeting that does not include mike pompeo just yet. there is going to be an extended bilateral meeting which then mike pompeo could enter the conversation but for now it is the turkish president erdogan and the vice president meeting there in turkey this morning. >> bill: hang on for a moment if they take question. turkey rejecting the u.s. call for the immediate cease-fire in syria. we have an expected press conference an hour from now from ankara with mike pence and mike pompeo. turkish troops going after kurdish forces as russia tries to fill the void after the u.s. departure. it is moving now. jufp dates of turkey as they come in. meantime, there is this.

>> there has still been no explanation for a multi-trillion dollar hole in this plan. i have a lot of respect for senator warren but last night she was more specific and forthcoming about the number of selfies she has taken than about how this plan is going to be funded. >> bill: there isn't anything wrong with a selfie, right? the mayor taking a swipe at elizabeth warren saying she has refused to answer specifically how she would pay for medicare for all. charles payne here to talk about your money and more. >> okay. you have a couple things going on here. moderate pete is making the move on biden via elizabeth warren. that being said people are frustrated. they are frustrated. >> sandra: the cost of that plan, $34 trillion. >> even backers of warren are saying what is the deal? here is the thing. the top 1% of tax returns

that's 1.4 million people, right? 1.4 million people going to pay for everything? if you really start getting even more nuanced than that. the wealthiest of wealthy people, 1400 people who will be able to pay for all of this? it's just the medicare for all. not the other freebies that are part of her platform. >> bill: green new deal? >> there is a lot of stuff there. it's intriguing because this is the moderates are pushing back. they pushed back hard during the debate. their plans aren't the cheapest in the world, either. you can question where do you come up with $34 trillion. >> sandra: the "wall street journal" takes it on this morning calling it her middle class tax dodge. they make the exact same point. she could impose her wealth tax and higher taxes on capitol gains and higher income taxes on the affluent and still wouldn't come close to paying for medicare for all before her

plans for new spending entitlements on free college, childcare. the only way to pay for it is raise taxes on the middle class which is where the real money is. >> bill: you start to go down the list. top 5%, top 10%. maybe you get down to the top 40%. 57 million. you get a big chunk of people to make this all come true. a tough call. people are behind elizabeth warren now that don't realize if she is elected their taxes lg up. >> bill: it's what campaigns are about. lebron james is back in the news. tucker had a lot to say about that last night. yeah, right? here is the headline on screen. carlson says america is in the race for its life of china because of people like lebron james. a sample from tuesday night's show. roll it. >> freedom of speech is fine for lebron james as long as you

don't do anything crazy with it like obliquely criticize the chinese communist party. it might harm people spiritually and also might make lebron james slightly less rich. of course that's the real problem with it. >> bill: making the case about money. >> he is. the only thing i say with this i broaden it out to the chamber of commerce, the business round table and all other entities that when we went to the trade war with china. don't put tariffs on, don't push back. listen, then they would put out these things we don't want the american consumer to suffer. they don't have to. take smaller profit margins. get in the fight with us. it won't take that long if you're helping us instead of trying to keep the status quo intact. don't tell the world you're for freedom and you don't want to change the way this arrangement has been because it has been completely unfair to americans, to average americans. so you can put lebron and big business and the big business

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>> sandra: breaking news this hour on a few big events that we're watching. any moments now president trump heading out of the white house for the state of texas and a big rally there in dallas. and in about 15 minutes nancy pelosi will be holding a news conference. high interest in that. plus at the top of the hour a major news conference out of turkey. vice president mike pence and secretary of state mike pompeo on the ground there and they should have an update after the

big meeting the turkey's president erdogan. we'll bring you updates as we get them. >> we were told by president erdogan he was going to move on the kurds. turkey is a nato ally. we also have allies in the kurds. let's be clear about what happened here. the president was faced with a serious choice. these are the decisions that this man has to make every day. >> bill: hogan gidley giving us an update on syria as the vice president mike pence holding meetings with the turkish leader erdogan, the u.s. delegation traveling there trying to get a cease-fire in northeastern syria. trey yengst brings us up to speed on all that. >> the american delegation led by vice president mike pence and u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo just wrapped up the meeting with turkish president erdogan. we're finding out about it just now and getting new information about what happened. pence held a one-on-one meeting with erdogan that was supposed

to last around 15 minutes. it ended up lasting more than 80 minutes. the press was allowed to come in following that one-on-one meeting. neither the turks or the americans said anything once the press came in. there were no remarks made. no questions answered. that could give you some indication how that meeting went. all of this happening as turkey does continue their military offensive into northern syria as the u.s. delegation was looking to broker a cease-fire agreement between the kurds and turks. images and video show erdogan and pence talking and exchanging words. pence and erdogan don't look happy to be there. the gathering comes hours after fox news obtained a letter to erdogan by president trump. he writes that erdogan doesn't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people. today erdogan said he threw that letter in the trash. already dozens of civilians have been killed and hundreds of thousands displaced. in washington yesterday

president trump made a number of statements unfolding violence. >> president trump: we have a situation where turkey is taking land from syria. syria is not happy about it. let them work it out. we shouldn't be over there. >> the president does have his vice president and secretary of state here in turkey trying to help the two sides work this out. overnight president trump tweeted he believes he is the only person that can pull u.s. troops out of the middle east. as he sent that tweet u.s. troops are preparing to deploy to saudi arabia, a country in the middle east. >> bill: developments when we get them including more coming up top of the hour. trey yengst on the middle east bureau there. >> sandra: democrats push ahead with impeachment. gordon sondland answering lawmaker's questions behind closed doors right now.

let's bring our a-team, johanna maska, brian brenberg, executive vice president at the kings college in manhattan and judith miller, author, journalist and fox news contributor. good morning to you all. a lot to get to. we'll bring everybody through it. judith, where things stand with the push for impeachment on the part of democrats. another witness behind closed doors this morning. >> i know democrats and republicans have been wanting to hear from mr. sondland now for a long time. he canceled the meeting last week. here is the problem. sondland says there with as no quid pro quo in the holding up military aid for the biden investigation but he told secretary -- senator ron johnson last week supposedly take there was a quid pro quo. so what the house panel wants to hear is which version of

history is correct? was there a quid pro quo, wasn't there? sondland is a key witness, the sixth witness in this panel inquiry and he is crucial. >> bill: he seemed willing. >> he is the quid pro quo guy what everybody wants to know. the question is from the hearing, what is the public going to learn about that? lawmakers will learn something. they'll drill him on the johnson conversation. drill him on the text. the problem is what do the american people learn from his testimony? so far what we've seen is they learn only what the committee wants to leak, which i think undermines what we actually gain from him doing this and undermines what conclusions americans can draw about his involvement. that's a political problem. >> bill: here is brit hume with martha about the leaks. watch here. >> the democrats in this -- with this impeachment issue. they're winning. this proceeding behind closed

doors with a multitude of leaks coming that all point basically in the same direction which is trump is guilty, have been pouring out of these behind closed door sessions. >> bill: the argument he is making, johanna, selective leaks drive public opinion. you continue to have the interviews and have more public opinion to get more people on your side with selective leaks. republicans don't appear to be playing the same game. >> if only the democrats were the ones leaking information, that would be a change in washington it is always an oxygen battle. and i think in this way right now we've got the whole thing what is going to come out this morning is a question of whether sondland should have even been involved in this situation. john bolton has said now to various news sources that he did not want him involved in ukraine and yet he was involved in ukraine. so there is going to be a number of questions. i think it is going to in the

oxygen battle, i don't think it is just the democrats. if president trump continues to let rudy giuliani go and speak on his behalf and continue to talk about why he was involved in ukraine and you've got republicans on the hill also going why was evolved, it is not just the democrats. >> bill: we keep digging through this to try to find the crime. >> they will hit on this process question, should he have been involved in this. it's such a far cry from an impeachable offense. are we going to have an impeachment process based on the fact that people don't like sondland was involved in the conversations? >> i think sondland is going to say what i'm seeing is just breaking and we'll see what he says. i'm saying that at what -- at this point we're hearing he may go in there and say i didn't even want to be involved. if that happens, that's bizarre. >> sondland is very much a person who cares about how he is seen in his own community. he asked for a letter from the

city council describing him as a pillar of the community. he can't lie. >> bill: hold our fire and we'll see what is leaked >> sandra: joe biden money problems. what do you think? >> yes, money holding steady. that is a problem for biden. that's why he went after her. the fact that bernie sanders has four times more money, cash on hand than biden's $9. million. >> bill: it's a problem. no money no problem. here is biden on the whole fundraising thing from yesterday. roll this. >> we got started later than anybody at all in this campaign, number one. number two, we did not start off by dropping $10 million from a senate campaign wherever that money was raised from into a race. number three, we've been in the

process of having about a third of the time that many people have had and we're doing fine. >> i think bernie sanders says he is doing fine. he is at $25 million. warren $24 million. buttigieg $19, joe biden $15. >> when you make excuses for the lack of money based on i got a late start. if you are somebody looking at putting money in this race, is that where you want to put your money, a candidate making excuses why he can't raise it? even buttigieg out ahead of biden. this is supposed to be the most electable candidate. he is in fourth place here. >> bill: i think it's a big story in the primary that has escaped so far. ari fleischer was sitting in your chair yesterday. did you hear this? >> the issue with joe biden, he is like a balloon that flies in the sky slowly leaking air. and it will come down. >> bill: you called it the

paper straw candidate. >> sandra: that was a fun foxnews.com. >> it's true. that's the current view now. warren rising, biden falling. much too early. we have to wait and see what happens. biden usually has been underestimated. he comes back and he is just good old joe people like that. >> i was on the couch yesterday in "outnumbered" with ed henry. he was saying joe biden needs to come out and needs to be on the trail more and literally in the show we end up breaking to joe biden coming out and being on the trail more. ed, i think he is taking your advice. we should give ed henry some consulting advice here. you'll see biden come out a lot more forcefully. he has said some of the other candidates on the stage made his point and so now he is going to want to rise to the top. >> if he comes out forcefully the way he came out forcefully

in the debate good luck to him. >> bill: hot air balloon, paper straw, what is it? thank you all of you. in a moment. a high profile trial over who should be responsible for the opioid crisis in the u.s. underway now. billions of dollars on the line. should drug companies be held responsible for the epidemic? that's the question before the court now. shrimp yeah! red lobster's endless shrimp is back for just fifteen ninety nine. get all the shrimp you want, any way you want 'em. like new sriracha-honey shrimp... ...savory grilled teriyaki shrimp,... ...classic shrimp scampi and more! red lobster's endless shrimp is fifteen ninety nine. hurry in. i can'twhat? ve it.

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>> bill: jury selection underway in what could be the landmark federal trial over the nation's opioid crisis, should drug distributors be held responsible for the epidemic? bob bianchi here to explain. >> not since the tobacco trial. what they did here is there are thousands of lawsuits being filed by state attorney

generals, counties, all across the country. what they did in ohio which was interesting. they gave a consolidated amount of cases to this judge. tried to settle them. what they're saying is okay, if we have to go to trial now we have a benchmark. a bellwether as to what a jury is going to come back. the interesting statistics. i pulled this out from the kaiser family foundation is currently 69% of the public believes you should blame doctors, 68% said you should blame the people that got addicted and 60% blame the drug companies. you'll see a lot of finger pointing there. any civil case you have to assign blame all across the spectrum. pharmacies will be included in this as well. the drug companies are saying this is fair defense, i don't know if i agree with it. how are we supposed to be responsible for the manner which these things are prescribed? statistics belie that. they have gone anywhere from 76

billion sold and as a epidemic was rising more companies pumped more into the system knowing people were being highly addicted to it. >> sandra: do you have predictions on the outcome? >> there will be some shared responsibility but it is not just the drug manufacturers, it is the distributors that will take the biggest brunt. they are supposed to alert to dea. they did nothing. >> bill: why do you think it hinges on expert testimony? >> for example. the plaintiffs have hired a former dea expert to go through the protocols what should be looked for. all the massive pumping of these billions of pills in some locations, millions sold from individual pharmacies saying distributors should have known that something was nefarious here and made a contact. instead of contacting the dea saying something is suspicious they ratcheted up more and more

sales, profits over people. >> sandra: settlement will be difficult. >> they tried to settle. this judge is very strong. no more settlements. jury selection is going now. a trial lawyer. maybe when they see the whites of the eyes of the jury people will come to the negotiating table and try to resolve this. if this jury comes back and they hold these distributors and manufacturers responsible you'll see a lot of drug companies go bankrupt. >> sandra: appreciate your time this morning. thank you. thousands of chicago teachers out of the classroom this morning as they protest poor working conditions. we'll have a live report from the windy city on that next. its for my self, its for my future. annuities can provide protected income for life. learn more at retire your risk dot org. nyquil severe gives you powerful relief

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>> bill: a couple of things what is happening in turkey and what is happening on the hill. waiting house speaker nancy pelosi who will be at the microphone in a moment. we expect comments in the death of elijah cummings and the meeting at the white house the senate. stay tuned. we'll bring it to you. >> sandra: fox news alert. thousands of chicago teachers hitting the picket lines this morning looking at live pictures here. they're asking for better wages and smaller class sizes in the windy city.

mike tobin is live with more this morning. >> sandra, instead of the classroom 25,000 teachers are on the picket lines. 300 thousand, parents juggling work and no school. the city and teachers union have been at it for months. chicago's mayor said the city has met a raft of demands. protection for class sizes, 16% rise. the mayor said teachers keep moving the goalpost. >> i feel like we rolled up our sleeves and negotiated in good faith over a long period of time. we offered an historic package on the core issues like compensation, staffing, class size. >> teachers want a three-year contract instead of five. 30 minutes of prep time. shortening instruction time and nurses and librarians at each school as well as housing

compensation. >> until someone comes with good faith and where we can honestly say it looks like a solution and that will make conditions better. >> schools will be open so students have somewhere to go and get meals. both sides are back at the bargaining table today. 50% of chicago's voters are supporting the teachers at this point. back to you in new york. >> sandra: we'll be watching that mike tobin in chicago. >> bill: events right now, any moment now house speaker nancy pelosi with reporters a day after the wild meeting at the white house. we'll have that for you. a major news conference out of turkey. the vice president mike pence is there, secretary of state mike pompeo will speak after their meeting wraps with the turkish president. we'll get that to you. analysis and reaction with bret baier and house minority whip steve scalise coming up next hour. a quick break here and come on

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he spoke with unsurpassed clarity and moral integrity when he spoke on the floor. i had the just coincidental opportunity to speak to him as someone who served with him in the state legislature in maryland. when he would stand up in the state legislature in the house of delegates as it is called there, the room would fall silent. everyone wanted to hear what elijah has to say. and that is, of course, what was the case in congress in his committee and in the country. he used to always say our children are our living messengers for a future we will never see. so he wanted to be sure that that future was going to be better for them and that they

would bring with them our values. in that regard in terms of a better future, i'm so proud that this morning ritchie neil announced in the mark-up in the hearing that they were having on hr3 lowering the cost of prescription drugs, that he was suggesting that -- to name the bill for elijah cummings. so appropriate because elijah was a fighter for lowering the cost of prescription drugs reaching across the aisle to do so. he always strove to reach across the aisle and treat all of our colleagues with respect and even had dialogue with the president for a while on this subject. so it would be very appropriate that hr3 would now be the elijah cummings low drug cost now legislation. whatever the formal title will be. it is very sad, very sad for all of us. we've all lost a friend.

i'm devastated by the loss and convey the condolences of our caucus to mia, his dear wife this morning. she said what we all knew. he fought to the end. that's how he was with what he believed in in the congress of the united states. so we're back now after our district work period where members all over the country were part of a drumbeat for hr3 for the people agenda, our first number one was to lower the cost of prescription drugs. they presented hr3, heard feedback and we're benefiting with two mark-ups this week. one in energy and commerce, the other in education and labor. the hearing in ways and means this week and then the mark-up next week. then we'll be well on our way to reconciling different versions and bringing something to the floor.

i think it's really important to note that since the break toward the end of the break we did get this congressional budget office score of $345 billion in savings just in the medicare part d part of the bill. other savings $158 billion in savings for family households, $46 billion in rebates and the rest. the savings are considerable and the congress will decide how some of it will be reinvested into innovation at the national institutes of health perhaps in community health centers across the country and expanded benefits for medicare, visual, hearing, dental. perhaps the committees will hear back from them and just trying to lower the cost to the community. bobby scott's committee is marking up this bill but as many of you know, earlier in

the week we announced the college affordability act and we're very proud of the response from the members on that and that will be making college less expensive. the -- we're still at work on the u.s., mexico, canada trade agreement and making progress every day on our path to yes. but we're not there yet. as soon as we can get the assurances from the administration and from the other -- everyone involved that there will be enforceability of some of the provisions of the legislation that it will really be an improvement on the current nafta, then we'll be able to receive. i'm optimistic about that. still hoping that -- this came up we were focused on for the people agenda, lower healthcare costs, bigger paychecks by building infrastructure of america, cleaner government was our agenda in the campaign. one of our priorities in this

session has been to reduce the risk of gun violence in our country. it has now been 232 days since we sent our bipartisan legislation to the senate. every day about 100 people die from gun violence. nearly half of them children up to the age of teenagers. my colleague wilson during the break gave me this bracelet made from a bullet and the orange color of gun violence prevention. we're not going away until we get legislation passed to reduce gun violence in our country. the -- as you know, this has been a week of some issues that relate to our foreign engagement. i was very proud of the work on the floor of congress to associate ourselves with the democratic aspirations of the young people of hong kong. i've been working with now three generations of hong kong

democratic leaders for the chinese regime to obey the basic law under which hong kong was to exist, one country, two systems. living under the basic law which made certain guarantees that are not being lived up to. congress came through this week, spoke very clearly and bipartisan way about our support for that and i am glad we have bipartisan support in the senate, too. yesterday on the floor 354 members voted in a bipartisan way to oppose the president's dangerous decision with regard to syria. by 2-1 republicans voted to oppose the president's action. there were only 60 votes in favor of the legislation. the legislation would have called for turkey to use restraint, for us to help our friends, to be a trustworthy ally to kurds especially in

humanitarian needs now that they are being bombed by the turks, being attacked by the turks. it also calls for the president to show a clear plan for how americans will be protected from isis, which has been further unleashed. green light to the turks, actions taken that are renege on our handshake with the kurds, and now we need to have a plan to deal with what happens with isis. as you know, that was the subject of conversation yesterday at the white house. i also pointed out to the president i have concerns that all roads seem to lead to putin. the russians have been trying to get a foothold in the middle east for a very long time unsuccessfully. now the president has given them the opportunity with the kurds reaching out to them for support in syria.

they have -- the russians were the beneficiaries of any withholding of assistance or encouragement to the ukraine, again putin benefits. russians benefited, putin did, when the president placed -- right from the start of his administration. all roads lead to putin. then the president said the reason i'm taking the troops out of syria is because i promised in the campaign to bring the troops home. my question to him was is saudi arabia home? is saudi arabia home? why are our troops going to saudi arabia if you promised to bring them home? he said well, saudi arabians are paying for it. really? we're putting our troops in harm's way for saudi arabia because they're paying? it just didn't add up. what it did do was cause a meltdown on the part of the president because he was unhappy with those questions. and it was unfortunate because we really went -- we were invited to the meeting.

the president started off the meeting by saying i don't know who asked for this meeting, i didn't. we're like well, let's proceed anyway and we had hoped a -- our real mission was to find out what the plan was. leader schumer was forceful about what is the plan. my plan is to protect america. that's a goal, not a plan. what is the plan for us to be protected from isis now that some of them have been unleashed in syria because of the green light that the president gave the turks and renegeing on our trustworthiness as an ally with the kurds who have been our friends? for this and other reasons it was most unfortunate. on a separate front of all of that i'm proud of the work of chairman adam schiff. this is so solemn. none of us came to congress to

impeach a president. that's not what we come to do. any such actions are to be taken solemnly, seriously and in my view prayerfully. it isn't a unifying thing for the country to have to go through this. but we do have to honor our oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. our democracy, and our republic as benjamin franklin said. our republic. the times have found us to do just that. this isn't about politics or partisanship, it is about patriotism for our country and i value the way he is conducting this with equal time on all sides for the questioning that are there. you've heard from him. we were here together when he presented how he was proceeding. he also sent a letter to members yesterday which is in the public domain. i call it to your attention in

case you have some questions about the professionalism and fairness with which these hearings are being held. any questions? [inaudible question] >> on the impeachment inquiry, how important is it to you not to let this bleed over into the election? >> thanks for your question and condolences on elijah. i keep saying to people, impeachment is about the truth and the constitution of the united states. any other issues that you have disapproving *f of the way the president has dealt with syria, whatever the subject is, cowardice to do something about gun violence. the denial about climate crisis that we face, the list

goes on. that's about the election. that has nothing to do with what is happening in terms of honoring our oath of office to protect and defend the constitution and the facts that might support. we don't know where the path will take us. could take us down a further path. but the two are completely separate. >> at what point might you say we'll have the voters decide. >> they already decided that in the last election. >> republican leader mitch mcconnell seems to think an impeachment trial in the senate could wrap up before the end of the year. does that seem unrealistic to you? >> i have no idea. the timeline will depend on the truth line. that's what we're looking for. >> on the syria policy, a two-part question. number one, do you think we've gotten into this question about

the -- [inaudible] because it has not been -- [inaudible question] will there be a scenario, you said it was dangerous what the president did in regard to syria and turkey that this could bleed over into the impeachment issue because it's such a grave problem? >> no, let me answer your second question first. when i became speaker the first time -- maybe not, but there were those who are here who -- okay, who knew that hundreds of thousands of people on the street asking me to impeach president bush because of the war in iraq and because of the misrepresentation that was made at the time as to why we should be going into iraq. that is a policy matter. that isn't in my view an impeachment matter. i said if they had any case to make they could make it but i was not going down that path. again, what could be worse than the war in iraq and the misrepresentations that were made to the american people?

as you know, says i, i was the senior democrat on intelligence. i had the adam schiff job before becoming chairman in the majority. in the minority i was a member of the gang of four. i saw all the intelligence. i knew there was no intelligence to support the threat that the administration was putting forth and i said at the time the intelligence does not support the threat. senator graham of florida was actually the chairman. they had the majority at the time, the democrats. the chairman of the intelligence committee. he came to the same conclusion. we both voted no on the war. so i think that the war in iraq was one of the worst mistakes in our country. i didn't think it was about impeachment. it's about policy and that's a different debate. impeachment is about the law, not being above the law, abuse of power, obstruction of justice, honoring our oath.

>> on the usmca you are making progress every day. leader mcconnell has charged in recent days -- [inaudible question] blocking urgent work for americans. work and negotiation, speaker pelosi. what is happening belined closed doors? are there ways for democrats to better convey good faith progress to prevent republican leaders and the president from charging you are trying to block this? >> anybody else want to put the republican talking points on the table? we can get rid of all of them at once. in response to your question rather than their misrepresentations. first and foremost might be interesting to you, the negotiations of this nature and the administration would

support this, not only support it, it is what they want. these negotiations are not in the public domain. the exchange of proposals and this or that, i can't share them with members. i have a hard time getting some of it myself from time to time. should it go astray it has pelosi written across it. these are confidential back and forth and i can honestly say i think every day we're becoming closer. the meeting yesterday with the trade representative, with some of our task force. i think they will meet again later today. perhaps at one more time and then we should just see. the issue is do we have enforcement. so the people who are saying that don't know what they're talking about or have a different agenda they want to present but we feel very good about being on the path here. we aren't there yet because we don't have the enforceability

assurance that we need to have. while we have some good things in the bill, it is only a list of good things unless it can be enforced. >> [inaudible question] >> overarching is enforceability of the whole thing. the three concerns are environment, environmental concerns and i can tell you firsthand that needs to be addressed. all the border states can probably tell you that as well. these are the southern border. the -- but the agreement has to be respectful of global agreements that are there on the environment. this is about what is realistic that we can get done. in terms of the prescription drugs, that's a very big issue and we hope that we can resolve that. then the third are workers rights and the rest. we don't see a situation where

diminishing the prospects of workers in mexico is any good for our hemisphere. we want that to be very fair in that regard. >> [inaudible question] there was a picture yesterday taken at the white house with you standing up at the table speaking to the president. can you tell us a little bit about that picture? what was being said at that time? >> i think i was excusing myself from the room. i think i told you what the thoughts i conveyed to the president in the meeting about the 354-60 vote in the house disapproving of his syria actions, b, my concerns about all roads lead to putin and if the president is saying i said during the campaign i would

take the troops home, then is home saudi arabia. that would be about the essence of either sitting down or standing up that my conversation was with the president. most important part of the meeting was what is the plan? and that was part of my report on the legislation on the floor. what is the plan for fighting isis now that we have renegeed on our handshake with the kurds and it was strongly presented by senator schumer. one or the other of those things is what was being said. i thought what would be interesting, you tell me, if we could have a recording on what goes on in there. they go out and say this happened, that happened. we must have been at two different meetings because that didn't happen. but nonetheless, then you get these kind of questions. no fidelity to facts if it's

true that what they say. at that moment i was probably saying all roads lead to putin. >> as you point out chairman schiff sent out a letter describing the process he is going through saying there could be public testimony ahead. i'm curious how will you do it and when [inaudible] including whether the president will be allowed to have counsel or representation down the road as part of the impeachment. >> this is a matter for the committee and the rules -- we have rules of the house that govern all of this. but i think it's really important to reiterate the following. the process that the house is going through right now would be the equivalent of a special counsel in case of whatever the name was at the time, clinton, others, on the nixon. so they had prosecutors doing the investigation and they were not doing that in the public

domain. so this is the part where we gather evidence and as i've said to the president over and over if you have some -- i said this to him on the phone the other day that we made our announcement about proceeding with the inquiry, that we've asked for your taxes. if you have nothing to hide, show us your taxes. we've asked for your accounting, if you have nothing to hide, show us that, this and that and the other thing if you have nothing to hide. we're giving you opportunity to show that you have nothing to hide. but what you are doing is just going further up do sboo* the courts. last friday we had five court decisions in our favor. another one this week. so in terms of the law, this is about the congress, the courts, and the constitution. and in terms of the congress, our responsibility is to fairly

get the information according to the rules. and mr. schiff is running that show for us now. thank you all very much. thank you. >> sandra: you've been listening to speaker of the house nancy pelosi for 20 minutes speaking on capitol hill. a highly anticipated press conference where she did answer questions on syria, on the white house meeting yesterday. she said the president once again she said the president had a meltdown over his questions in syria. on the impeachment inquiry she said she is proud of adam schiff's work, the chairman of the house intelligence committee leading that inquiry and offered her condolences on the passing of elijah cummings. saying he fought until the end. he lived the american dream and wanted everyone else to as well. she concluded her remarks. more from capitol hill in a moment. >> bill: major news conference overseas. vice president mike pence and secretary of state mike pompeo

in turkey. john roberts traveled to ankara as well. he joins us live about what happened in the meeting a moment ago, john. >> one of the most interesting things is that this meeting is still going on. the press conference that we expected would have begun 22 minutes ago is likely going to be delayed further because the initial bilateral meeting between the vice president and president erdogan of turkey, which was scheduled to go only 10 minutes went a full 80 minutes. the entire team is for an expanded bilateral meeting now going on for more than half an hour. we'll see if the vice president and the secretary of state are making any headway here. typically the longer a meeting goes on, the better the outcome might be. now going into this the vice president was going in with a message of erdogan has to call an immediate cease-fire. president trump has been saying that for days and this morning we learned that the treasury secretary steven mnuchin armed both the vice president and secretary of state with the

threat of new sanctions if erdogan does not declare the cease-fire. the list of sanctions includes additional ministries and ministers to be sanctioned. also includes specific industries to be targeted. mnuchin says the united states could shut down all economic activity in turkey if it wanted to. in that letter that was sent to erdogan back on october 9th when the president pulled u.s. troops away from the border but before the invasion began the president was frank saying this is to erdogan, let's work out a good deal. you don't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people and i don't want to be responsible for destroying the turkish economy, and i will. history will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. it will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen. don't be a tough guy, don't be a fool. i think that it's not an understatement to say what is happening right now in the presidential palace and has been going on for much longer

than we thought it was going to could shape the situation on the ground in northern syria over the coming weeks and months. if the secretary of state and vice president made headway it could be a very good thing. immediately after the press conference i'll be sitting down with the vice president for an exclusive interview and we'll bring you that later on fox. >> bill: john roberts. back at home. >> sandra: let's bring in bret baier anchor of "special report". a lot happening this morning. your take on the situation as it stands now with the vice president and the secretary of state overseas. >> i think those meetings are crucial. erdogan saying he would only sit down with vice president pence and the secretary of state and that is really seen as the possible exit strategy to a cease-fire if they can get through erdogan's spokesperson says that when he received that letter that president trump pointed to telling democrats in that meeting about this letter

he sent, when erdogan received it he threw it in the trash. doesn't sound like it's that open to listening to demands from the white house. we'll see how the meeting goes. >> sandra: lindsey graham's reaction, here is the senator. >> our people are pretty safe. we see activity by isis and i'm hoping we can get a cease-fire. i think they are trying to convince erdogan that congress will come down like a ton of bricks and hopefully it will give leverage to pompeo and pence. if we can stop the fighting we may be able to reconstruct this in a way all is not lost, but we have to do it pretty quickly. >> sandra: all of this a day after we heard about that white house meeting, bret, nancy pelosi was just asked about that and she said the president had a meltdown over her questions on syria. >> the way she describes it, it devolved quickly. at some point the president

called her a third grade or third rate politician when she brought up the vote by the house of representatives and also she said everything points back to putin with you. it sounds like it got heated. the white house has a different take on the meeting. they said the democrats stormed out. maybe it is good to have a camera in that room. we're all for that. we've seen it before. >> sandra: it is one of those days. we had the white house meeting yesterday, the press conference from the speaker of the house, bret. now we await anything that would potentially come out of this bilateral meeting in turkey with the secretary of state and the vice president on the ground. a lot of developments here and abroad, bret. see you tonight on "special report" at 6:00 p.m. appreciate your time this morning. >> bill: marc thiessen a bit of analysis. good morning to you. you're watching all this back and forth. what would you expect from pence/pompeo in a moment.

what do you believe? >> hopefully the economic pressure the president is bringing to bear on turkey and the threats of more will have some impact. but look, this is a mess of the trump administration's own creation. they gave erdogan the green light to go ahead. he would not have gone into turkey if we had not done that. what is happening now is the president said what does it have to do with the united states? it has to do with the united states because isis is not defeated. they've been removed from the physical caliphate but tens of thousands of fighters and hundreds of millions dollars of money and remain a dangerous threat. unless we want to send thousands of american troops to fight them we need proxies to do the fighting on the ground and that's what the kurds did. they lost 11,000 people in the fight against isis, we had six military casualties and two civilian casualties in the fight against the caliphate. we need them. we need them to keep america's boot on the necks of isis so

they don't rise up like they did under obama in iraq. the kurds are not focused on isis but on defending themselves against turkey. you have turkey, which actually helped isis in the fight against the kurds, was aligned with isis and turkey just bombed a guard post of one of the prisons where all the high value detainees were allowing them to go free. turkey is actually helping isis escape and threaten america. it should be unacceptable to the united states or the president. >> bill: did you hear hogan gidley last hour making the case there is a residual force in the area. if they want to reverse some of the decisions it wouldn't be out of the question. your feeling on that. >> i hope they do reverse some of these decisions. they are mildly catastrophic. the president keeps talking about we have to stop fighting the endless wars. i'm sorry that's a kennard. when we had hundreds of thousands of american troops stationed in the middle east

are long gone. we had 1,000 troops in syria, 14,000 troops in afghanistan, we have about 5,000 troops in iraq. that's a total of 20,000 troops. we have 133,000 troops in germany, japan, italy and south korea. so this is a very, very small commitment and those troops that we have deployed in those countries are not doing the fighting. what they're doing is arming and training indigenous and proxy forces to do the fighting for us and giving them intelligence, fire support and other force multipliers. they can't beat our enemies without that. our strategy should not be to be everywhere fighting the enemy. it should be helping indigenous forces fight the enemy. they can't do it without us. pulling our troops out is not going to stop endless wars, it will extend them and make it more likely we have to -- the president had to send troops to saudi arabia because of the iranian threat. we need to help.

>> bill: sorry, mike pence comes up with a moment. mike pompeo. we'll bring the comments to the viewers when they become available. thank you for that in washington >> sandra: we are awaiting that news conference 23r vice president mike pence and secretary of state pompeo in turkey. we'll bring you that live when it happens. more on that meeting last night at the white house that ended with democrats storming out. house minority whip steve scalise was in the meeting and will give us his take on what happened as well as the latest in the impeachment inquiry. to near record lows. tgagd the newday team is working overtime so every veteran can save $2000 a year.

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and the kurds, syria. and the president started talking through what he was doing. he was interrupted a lot of times by speaker pelosi and leader schumer. and it got a little heated. ultimately if you look at what ended up happening, speaker pelosi stormed out with steny hoyer and we had a good meeting. everybody else had very rational conversation about what the plan is, how we'll make sure that these isis terrorists that are being held by the kurds don't escape. the problems with turkey, the actions we're taking against turkey to put sanctions on them and again it was i thought a very constructive meeting after pelosi stormed out. >> bill: who was present for that part of it? >> you had a number of democrats and republicans. the leaders both republican and democrat from the house and senate including the chairman and lead republican of the committees and armed services, foreign affairs, from both the house and the senate.

so again a lot of good conversation. very legitimate questions, constructive questions asked by democrats and republicans. the president was very candid and forth with in his answers. it was after speaker pelosi left. >> bill: how would you characterize the state of their relationship? how strained is it? >> it's not good. she is trying to impeach him. without evidence. she made it very clear from the beginning she wanted to impeach him regardless of whether or not there was evidence. then they've been on this witch hunt to try to find something. it started with the mueller investigation. not like they haven't had investigations. it has been going on for two years. they found nothing wrong and they won't stop. >> bill: i want to try to squeeze in a lot of things. not like they haven't gone at each other in the past. before the impeachment inquiry went. so during the government shutdown. how do you characterize how these two leading politicians are carrying out their

relationship with each other? >> it's not a good relationship. it was contentious in december of last year and president trump asked speaker pelosi while we were negotiating over building the wall he said look, you talk a lot about daca, i'll put daca on the table. speaker pelosi refused to negotiate on daca even though she gives all these speeches saying she wants to resolve the problem. the president put it on the table and she walked out of the room then. there is a history of her doing that. she doesn't want to negotiate on these serious issues. >> bill: she asked is home saudi arabia, all roads lead to putin? did you hear the comments? >> i thought it was an inappropriate comment for her to make and shows where her mindset is. she wants to impeach the president. has disdain for him. look, it is understandable she wasn't happy with the results of the 2016 election but the people of america spoke and next year the people of america will be able to choose the

president. it shouldn't be nancy pelosi and adam schiff behind closed doors. they are conducting an impeachment quinn quiry of the president of the united states in secret behind closed doors. she won't negotiate and other serious issues. they talked about drug pricing. we passed a unanimous bill out of committee to lower drug prices, every republican and democrats. she won't bring it to the floor. she is bringing a partisan package of bills now they're trying to move through that will never become law. she could have had usmca done months ago. better trade deal with mexico and canada creating more jobs in america. she won't bring that to the floor because she is so focused on impeachment. people are sick of that. we should be working on the people's business and not them trying to reverse the results of the 2016 election. america will decide it next year. >> bill: there is a story line developing that you can have selective leaks that influence

the general public and you bring them along slowly over to your argument and then i guess at some point you either have a public hearing or come out with a document that says this is what we've got. do you believe what that general strategy is? >> it's speaker pelosi's tactic. they drip out information. a lot of times misleading. >> bill: you think that is the strategy, correct? >> i think that is speaker pelosi's strategy is to hide in secret a lot of the information, drip out things that are selective for them and in many cases that turn out to be inact quat doesn't matter. adam schiff's opening statement he read a lie a falsehood and later say it was wrong. the narrative was out. speaker pelosi does this time and time again. we said release the full transcript of the volker keys money. why won't they release it? ranking members of congress can't go in and read the testimony. republican or democrat can't find out what happened in the

meetings they'll try to use to impeach a president of the united states. that's the star chamber that nancy pelosi is running right now in the house. >> bill: jackie spear a democrat from california is in all these interviews or depositions. she said this at the hill. the most important thread that we're teasing out on all of this is the fact the president of the united states has been running a shadow foreign policy with rudy giuliani. he has no credentials and is confusing our allies around the world and thrilling our adversaries. is there a crime to be found in there? yes or no. >> no, rudy giuliani is doing his own thing. the president runs the foreign policy of the country. it has been very clear. in the meeting yesterday we had the secretary of defense, chairman of the joints chiefs of staff. people advising the president on these very major important decisions. it wasn't rudy or anybody else throwing up smoke screens with that. they know they're trying to remove a president. the author of the articles of impeachment, a democrat himself said if they think president

trump will win unless they impeach him. they think it's the only way to stop him from getting reelected. that's not why we have impeachment. it's high crimes and miss demeanors. they haven't shown that but want to impeach him anyway behind closed doors. >> bill: condolences on the passing of your colleague elijah cummings. >> we all mourn his passing. >> sandra: gordon sondland is behind closed doors. what he said in his opening statement about his discussions with rudy giuliani on ukraine. >> so far we haven't seen anything that supports the unfortunate move towards and what i would consider a stampede towards impeachment where we're out looking for the crime. great new ideas that we want to present to you today. [son]: who are you talking to? [son]: that guy's scary. the first item on the list is selecting a chairman for the... for the advisory board

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>> republican leader mitch mcconnell seems to think an impeachment trial in the senate could wrap up before the end of the year. >> i have no idea. the timeline will depend on the truth line. >> sandra: speaker pelosi earlier on the impeachment inquiry coming as president trump's ambassador to the e.u. gordon sondland is giving closed door question and answer session or deposition session is happening on capitol hill as part of the democrat's impeachment investigation. let's bring in capri cafaro. a lot of breaking news this morning. a lot to take in. but john as far as the timing of this and talk of it happening before thanksgiving. what do you think is actually possible here based on what you just heard from nancy pelosi? >> i don't think it's possible

to have a full, thorough and transparent investigation of issues that go to the core of the president's conduct of foreign affairs like our affairs with ukraine in that short period ever time. it is actually even more important that the house, conducting its most important legal responsibility under the constitution trying to remove an elected president. it is even more important, the senate trial you were mentioning it that will take place isn't really a trial. the senators don't ask questions, no witnesses put up. no documents, credibility challenged. most of what we think of as a real trial should take place in the house. the house should be having open full hearings, allow the minority to participate. they aren't doing that. they should let the white house have a representative appear and provide alternative explanations. that's what the constitution really wants the house to do. let me be clear the constitution doesn't place any standards at all on how the house conducts its impeachment inquiry. what's necessary to make the

decision in which american people can have faith. >> sandra: it's one thing to ask what is possible, another to ask along party lines capri, what you want to see happen and when. >> well, i think that speaker pelosi laid out the fact that she wants to see the process follow the facts. now, from a political perspective i think it is very difficult for democrats because things are behind closed doors. what is happening is that this is transpiring in the court of public opinion. so people are pretty entrenched in their camps. those that oppose president trump will think he is guilty. those that support president trump will think it's a witch hunt. without full transparency i think it's very difficult for the american public to make a decision. now, it's not up to the american public. it is up to congress to follow the facts and to follow the constitution and their oath of office as speaker pelosi said.

and i think that at this point now because what we've seen over the last two years with the mueller investigation, etc., it is difficult for democrats to make the argument that they're following the facts. i say that as a democrat but i think more importantly i say that as an american that we need to make sure that this process follows the facts and unfortunately the entire process is being jaundiced by the politics of the matter. i think the ukrainian issue is one that does deserve scrutiny and -- but i think it needs to be done in a transparent manner. >> sandra: i hear capri talking about the need for transparency because of the court of public opinion. republicans are demanding that. as we speak the deposition is happening behind closed doors with ambassador sondland. we can't see that meeting and we certainly haven't seen transcripts come from these meetings.

wouldn't that help the process? >> i was a general counsel for the senate judiciary committee and worked on investigation. it's customary when we have these kinds of questions of potential witnesses in these investigations to have the other side present to release a transcript and to have a public hearing. i think it is even more important in this case because of the gravity of the situation. the constitution's most difficult and grave task to give the house the power to try to remove a president. it calls on the house as you are suggesting to be even more transparent and even more open. if you have full faith you'll follow the facts and find out what really happened why are you afraid to show that to the american people? >> sandra: final thoughts, capri. >> i just hope we actually do get to the facts and that the american -- that our republic sustains the division that we have right now. >> sandra: john and capri, appreciate your time this morning. thanks to both of you. bill.

>> bill: breaking news from the white house. learning now the acting chief of staff mick mulvaney will hold a news conference 30 minutes from now. we don't know the subject matter yet. this comes amid growing tensions with syria, the impeachment inquiry. more on this as we get it and we watch that from the white house. get a break here and back in a moment. when you move homes, you move more than just yourself.

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♪ >> at the moment president trump traveling to texas with a big rally in downtown texas. expect a lot of friction at all the events the best three hours. bryan llenas is watching that and he is already in texas. how are you doing, what do we expect tonight? >> hey, bill, good morning. president trump is on his way to

fort worth area to meet with supporters and donors there before coming to johnson county to take part in a ribbon-cutting ceremony but at this a louis vuitton workshop manufacturing center that is being open here guaranteed to bring some 502,000 jobs over the next five years. starting salary $15 an hour. louis vuitton is trending these workers to become artisans to make handcrafted leather bags and then from there, they will all carry the made in the usa label. 350 companies have promised the president to bring some 14 million jobs here were essentially helped train and educate 14 million american workers. now, notably joining the post on this trip is going to be the energy secretary and former texas governor rick perry. for the president, this is a chance to highlight the effort to bring those manufacturing jobs back to the united states. texas has seen over 700,000 jobs added since he has become president.

now after all of the outcome of the president will to his rally tonight the american airlines center in dallas. this is really the fifth time that the president has come to texas in 2019 alone. texas is a reliably republican state. the president won the state by six points back in 2016. but what could be concerning for the g.o.p. bill is that while six house republican seats that belong to texas are now vacated after those republicans have stepped down. democrats believe they have a real chance here. some momentum to get some modest gains at the very least in this state. they are pointing to the fact there are 2.6 million potential democratic voters out there yet to be registered, particularly latino voters that make 30% of the electric. look, the president coming to texas camelot come about 12 times a big-money state for the g.o.p. and a chance for him to rally the troops tonight in dallas. people have been lining up there

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call my team at newday usa right now. >> bill: so apparently the meeting is underway. so perhaps progress? >> sandra: mean while we await a press briefing from mick mulvaney at the white house. we are told that will happen 12:30 p.m. eastern time and a half an hour from now in the briefing room. not much else being offered as far as what that will be about. >> bill: we will watch all the steps traveling to dallas, dalls

dallas, texas, bryan llenas with a prime time really there later tonight. in all likelihood he will hit on all the hits and all the issues that we have been talking about the past three hours so we will have that tonight. space >> sandra: , thank you for watching, "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: let's start we are remaining -- awaiting remarks from mike pompeo. who are right now meeting with the president are one of turkey. their goal to broker a cease-fire between the kurds and turkey. the turkish military continues an invasion of northern syria. today's high-stakes meetings comes hours after fox news obtained a letter, president trump wrote to erdogan on the day that turkish began last week. in that letter, the president and blunt language warrants erdogan "don't be a tough guy and don't be a cool." you are watching "outnumbered" i am harris faulkner. here are... melissa francis, lisa boothe and parade johanna