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to congress. they link him to look into joe biden. >> bill: as we await the democrat leading the inquiry, chairman adam schiff will hold a news conference in 30 minutes and talk to reporters. let's go to catherine herridge on the hill today. good morning. >> good morning. in the last few minutes i've spoken with a u.s. government official who told me some of the thinking behind this morning's decision to at least temporarily block the sfwir view with gordon sondland. the view of the white house and state department is house democrats aren't playing by the rules and established procedures and once they do that the administration would be willing to cooperate on some level. the reason gordon sondland matters the september text messages he exchanged with a top u.s. diplomat to the ukraine bill taylor. they read taylor, are we now saying security assistance and white house meeting, reference

to a meeting with the ukrainian leader and the president are conditioned on investigations? sondland said call me. the next text. as i said on the phone i think it's crazy to withhold security assistant with help with a political campaign. the president said no quid pro quo of any kind. he is trying to evaluate whether ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that president zelensky promised during his campaign. in advance of what was anticipated to be this transcribed interview this morning we heard from republicans and democrats who laid out their positions. >> i don't see anything in there that indicates that president trump even did anything wrong. what it indicates is that president trump succeeded where the obama administration tried and failed for several years, to encourage the ukrainian government to get serious about corruption. >> we cannot allow the president to get to the whistleblower or threaten him

or discourage him or her from telling their side of the story and us learning what exactly is the extent of the aliegeed scheme. >> fox news can now confirm on july 26th, one day after the president's call with the ukrainian leader, the first whistleblower wrote a memo to themselves documenting the information they received from a white house official. and the memo is important because you need to look at the tone and the type of dramatic language that was used. one of the quotes reads according to the u.s. white house official described the july 25th call as crazy, frightening, and completely lacking in substance related to national security. it goes on to say the president did not raise security assistance. the reasonable of this matters is that this is really some of the foundational memo that got the first whistleblower complaint out of the gate. >> bill: thanks for that. want to bring in guy lewis.

we'll -- let me play a clip from the president's attorney last night with sean hannity. jay sekulow, interesting commentary. listen to how he described this second whistleblower. >> they're talking about a second whistleblower. my statement on that is so what? we've already released the transcript. is it really relevant what some other person who may or may not have heard the conversation thought about it? the transcript is out and speaks for itself. it is not an impeachable offense period. >> bill: they went on to talk about the vote in the house. this is what he said. they're not doing it now, they're not doing it this week or next. i don't believe it. i don't think they're going to do it. you think about that comment from last night. is this the reason why you pull back this diplomat today, guy? >> absolutely, bill. here is what's going on. they are drawing a -- they being the president and his lawyers are drawing a line in the sand.

they've concluded that the best defense is a good offense. and they are arguing to the american people that process matters. procedure matters. if the democrats in this prosecution -- make no mistake, this impeachment is a prosecution. if the democrats are going to prevent us from even knowing who the whistleblower is, being able to question the whistleblower, putting him behind some kind of curtain like the wizard of oz we're not going to participate in the process. it is unfair. that's their message to the jury. >> bill: this ambassador said he is willing to testify. maybe it happens sometime, what would he do to advance the story itself, guy? >> indeed. the ambassador's notes and emails, texts that we've seen are favorable to the president. they indicate look, clearly there is no quid pro quo. the president has been clear on

this. that's a paraphrase of what he said contemporaneously in his written text and notes back and forth. and so the president and his lawyers again are clearly content to sit back, bill, and let that record speak for itself. >> bill: when adam schiff comes to the microphone in a couple of minutes here it is time to return serve. what do house democrats do? do they file the subpoena? what do they do in turn? >> well, they are going to have to step up to the plate is what they are going to have to do. they can't just keep kind of rushing this thing through trying to run it at warp speed, which is clearly what they're trying to do. and they ought to go back really to the conventional ways that these kind of investigations have been conducted. interview the witness, look at

the documents, proceed with some sense of sincerity and some sense of caution. we're trying to -- they, we, we're trying to impeach the president of the united states. overturn an election. so i think they need to go back to the drawing board and proceed a little more orderly. >> bill: still trying to figure this out. you didn't say they would subpoena him. let's see whether or not that's the case. do you believe there will be a vote in the house yes or no? >> no, i do not because i think that they don't have the votes. and the people that are in the trump districts are scared to death of this. that if they vote to go forward, then they are going to have to go back home. i can't remember the represent but she was -- they blistered her with questions about what she is doing. it was an open mic forum for a

brand-new representative and boy oh boy they were going after her like crazy. >> bill: thank you, gordon sondland will not do this interview today. still works for the u.s. government as we know. flew in from brussels last night and says he is willing to give his testimony. it won't happen. there is a hearing scheduled for friday on the former u.s. ambassador to the ukraine. she is no longer in government. i would expect, guy, for that interview to happen this friday. we'll see together. thank you, sir, guy lewis there in miami. thank you. >> sandra: more on that coming up. meanwhile president trump defending his decision to pull u.s. troops from northern syria ahead of a planned turkish military invasion. criticism pouring in from both sides of the aisle warning the move could play right into the hands of our enemies. and lead to an isis comeback. >> we've captured isis. we had 50 soldiers in the area you are talking about and i

said we want to bring our soldiers back home. it has been a long time. we interject ourselves wars and tribal wars and revolutions and all these things that are very -- they're not the kind of thing you settle the way we would like to see it settled. >> sandra: the president continued to defend his move saying he does not believe the u.s. is abandoning the kurds. lucas tomlinson is live with the latest on all that at the pentagon. >> the president appeared to ignore the advice of his senior military commanders by ordering that americans retreat from the border but he made this threat to turkey. >> president trump: i don't want anything bad to happen to our people. i told that to president erdogan. i said don't hurt any of our people get hurt, big trouble. if they do anything outside of what we would think is humane to use the word a second time. we talk about hong kong and this. they could suffer the wrath of

an extremely decimated economy. >> in northern syria kurdish protestors voiced outrage for pulling the troops and green light a turkish invasion. the pentagon issued a statement from the surprise white house announcement sunday night that shocked u.s. officials, and american allies. the department of defense made clear to turkey we do not endorse a turkish operation. the u.s. armed forces will not be involved in any such operation. >> we always said we may show up suddenly in the middle of the night. we continue our determination on this because it is never possible for us anymore to accept the threats from the terror organizations. >> turkey's president considers the syrian kurds a terrorist group linked to an insurgency in his country. a spokesman for the main u.s.

backed kurdish ally fighting isis said we're humbled by the support by american people and politicians despite potus decision to make the way for turkish invasion. there is no sign of the invasion but turkish forces have massed on the border in recent days. >> sandra: congressman adam kinzinger, veteran of iraq and afghanistan saying the presence of u.s. troops in northern syria is crucial to the fight against terrorism. he will join us on that and breaking news from capitol hill this morning and be here at 9:30 a.m. eastern time as the news moves fast. >> bill: he had a lot to say on this yesterday coming up momentarily. we have the manhunt underway at this hour. one of the suspects inside of a crowded bar. survivors remember how the gunman opened fired and killed four people inside. >> sandra: the f.b.i. calls this man the worst serial killer in u.s. history.

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>> bill: that was yesterday okay? there are developments in this story within the last hour. houston rockets superstar james harden showing his love for china speaking from tokyo after the general manager of his team sparked a firestorm with a tweet that supported the protestors in hong kong. do you have all that? the intersection of money and big business. steve hilton host of the next revolution. in the last hour adam silver, the commissioner of the nba speaking in tokyo said the following about freedom of expression. watch. >> the long-held values of the nba are to support freedom of expression, the general manager of the houston rockets enjoys that right as one of our employees. what i also tried to suggest is i understand there are consequences from that exercise of in essence his freedom of

speech. and, you know, we'll have to live with those consequences. >> bill: this has been marinating for 24 hours. he is standing up for the freedom of expression. we would expect that from the beginning but not the initial reaction. >> good for him for saying that. he is walking a line now. what you have here is the interaction of a commercial pressure and the reality of doing business in china. that's why this story is so important and so helpful in a way because it is the nba. big stars involved. it is shining a spotlight on an issue that's been there for many years now. the price of doing business in china is very high to integrity and values. american companies year after year have been sucking up to this terrible regime. authoritarian regime in china. disney, iconic american company, big theme park in shanghai.

its own offices in china from communist party cells. marriott hotels fired an employee because china objected to a tweet the employee liked. apple constantly sucking up and turning a blind eye to human rights abuses. google working with them to help them oppress their own people. this is what it means to be involved economically with china. i think it has gone too far. this story shows it. >> bill: he has to defend freedom of expression when you think how many players and coaches in the nba are so outspoken on social and political issues here at home. the chinese government canceled a brooklyn nets game on tuesday. lebron james and l.a. lakers are part of that. that game is canceled. in the meantime you have the owner of the brooklyn nets here in new york, born in taiwan >> the chinese don't like it. they'll shut your showdown, bill. >> bill: he went to facebook

explaining the connection and here is what he says. supporting a separatist movement in a chinese terror is an issue for the chinese government and all citizens in china. when the topic of a separatist movement comes out chinese people feel a strong sense of shame and anger because of foreign occupation. he is defending mainland china suggesting any offense toward hong kong china is improper. one of the original investors in a company called alibaba made billions. >> you can't say anything that offends the regime. wherever you come from, whatever your background, they will clamp down. they don't believe in freedom of any kind. that's why the big picture here is for decades we've been told if we have these economic ties with china, sporting and cultural ties, give them the olympics. if we engage with china it will move in the direction of

freedom and independence of people and opening up. exactly the opposite has happened. it has become more authoritarian. the only way to actually move china in a positive direction is to disengage from china. decouple our economy and cultural and sporting ties to put pressure on the regime. >> bill: china's central sent out a statement. we believe that speech that challenges national sovereignty and social stability is not within the scope of freedom of speech. two different -- >> they call donald trump an authoritarian. that is real authoritarianism there in action. >> bill: come on back. here is sandra now. >> sandra: college basketball coach slamming the california governor over a new law letting student athletes make endorsement deals. >> he should probably stay in his lane like i tell my players and figure out homelessness. >> sandra: that coach saying

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>> bill: we are now hearing from one of the survivors of that deadly kansas city shooting speaking out. michael was shot in the crowded bar. he survived but four people were killed. the bullet lodged in his shoulder and he recalls the terrifying moments from that night. >> about the time i seen the fire come out of the gun i felt something hit my arm. and it felt like i got hit with

a bus. i feel selfish that i got out and a lot of people didn't. >> bill: police have one suspect in custody and still searching for a second man after that shaongt. >> sandra: ellen degeneres taking on the twitter mob. talk show host landing in a firestorm over this photo with former president george w. bush. they were both at a cowboys game sunday. she is a green bay packers fan. she told her audience friendship can transcend party lines. >> i'm friends with george bush and friends with a lot of people who don't share the same beliefs i have. we're all different and i think we've forgotten that it's okay we're all different. just because i don't agree with someone it doesn't mean i won't be friends with them. i mean be kind to everyone. doesn't matter. >> sandra: here with us now

carley shimkus. i urge everyone if you haven't watched this do it. it makes you stop and think. maybe we all can come together. >> the golden rule. something that i think we all like you said need to reflect on. you mentioned a twitter mob in your introand you hit the nail on the head. the twitter mob has become a big problem in this country. most people who saw that picture in real life thought what a nice moment. look at these two hanging out together. not on social media. twitter has become a digital soapbox where people go to air grievances. not a sample size of what people actually feel in the country. it is just the loudest voices. to give you an example of what ellen degeneres was facing. it feels irresponsible and dangerous.

this incident just serves as proof that elites stick together no matter the criminality or monstrosity of each individual. when a comedian is shamed for hanging out with a former president of the united states i think it's time something needs to be said. she was the perfect person to deliver that message. >> sandra: she read a tweet she received. ellen and george bush together makes me have faith in america again. she received a roaring applause. >> that was the best. she handled this so well and it does ground everybody and remind people you can get along even if you don't agree politically. >> sandra: looked like a lot of fun. carley, thank you. >> bill: state department says the u.s. ambassador will not conduct an interview today behind closed doors in the house intel chair adam schiff will hold a news conference. we have a camera there and carry it for you on capitol hill when it begins. >> sandra: we'll watch for that.

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relevant to this investigation and the impeachment inquiry. and i want to just explain for the public the significance of this witness and the significance of the decision evidently by the secretary of state and president or president or both to withhold this key witness's testimony today. we know from the text messages that ambassador sondland was in discussion with ukrainian counterparts, with fellow diplomatic personnel, and the president. as well as at least one u.s. senator about the course of events that we're investigating. we know from those text messages that diplomatic personnel raised a concern with him that military assistance was being withheld to secure help from ukraine in the president's reelection campaign. we know that ambassador sondland had at least one discussion with a fellow

diplomat on that very subject of why military assistance was being withheld. we know master sondland was a key player in efforts to obtain a commitment from ukraine to investigate a bogus conspiracy theory about the 2016 election as well as joe biden and his son. and we know that the ambassador has relevant evidence on whether the meeting with the president that the ukrainians desperately sought with president trump was being conditioned on these investigations that the president believed would help his reelection campaign. it is hard to overstate the significance of not just sondland's testimony and documents but the testimony of others as well. the failure to produce this witness, the failure to produce these documents, we consider

yet additional strong evidence of obstruction of the constitutional functions of congress. a co-equal branch of government. there are four issues that we are looking at, at least four issues we're looking at. all that go to the heart of our national security. and by preventing us from hearing from this witness and obtaining these documents, the president and secretary of state are taking actions that prevent us from getting the facts needed to protect the nation's security. we are looking into whether the president solicited foreign help in a u.s. presidential election again. we are looking into the issue of whether a meeting that ukraine desperately sought with the president at the white house was being conditioned on the willingness of ukraine to investigate this bogus conspiracy theory about 2016 and investigate the bidens.

we're looking at whether ukraine was given reason to believe that military assistance it desperately needed to fight off the russians was being withheld until it made commitments to do these political investigations for the president and we're looking into the question of whether there has been an effort by the president, secretary of state and others to cover up this misconduct. ambassador sondland is an important witness on each of these subjects but he is not the only important witness and we will consider this act today and we've had members fly in from around the country to hear the ambassador's testimony as well as the withholding of the ambassador's documents, as well as efforts that may be made to discourage or have the effect of discouraging other state department witnesses from coming forward and testifying as they've agreed to to be further acts of obstruction of a co-equal branch of government.

this is one of the few impeachment inquiries in the history of our country. it goes to the core of whether the president abused his office to seek political help in his reelection campaign and did so to the detriment of our nation's security. did so by effectively coerceing a country that has been invaded by russia to investigate a rival and condition the relationship between this country and that country on whether they were willing to play ball. that is the gravity of the issues that we're investigating, that this impeachment inquiry is looking into. it is hard to imagine a set a facts for imagining to our national security and standing in the world but also more of a fundamental breach of the president's oath of office. the american people have the right to know if the president is acting in their interests in this nation's interests with an

eye toward our national security and not in his narrow personal political interest. they have a right to know indeed the american people have a need to know and through this impeachment inquiry we are determined to find the answers. thank you. [inaudible question]. >> sandra: adam schiff. he stepped off the microphone to talk to reporters to explain how they will proceed now that ambassador sondland did not show up for that voluntary question and answer with members of congress. adam kinzinger house foreign affairs committee member. jim jordan republican jim jordan now responding. >> based on the unfair and partisan process that mr. schiff has been running you think about what the democrats are trying to do. impeach the president of the united states, 13 months prior to an election based on an anonymous whistleblower with no firsthand knowledge with a bias against the president. the guy running the process

chairman schiff didn't even tell us that he had met with the whistleblower prior to the whistleblower filing the complaint and didn't tell us the way he treated ambassador sondland last -- ambassador volker in this interview last week, that treatment is the reason why the administration, state department said we aren't going to subject ambassador sondland to the same treatment. we were looking forward to hearing from ambassador sondland. we thought he would reinforce what ambassador volker told us this week. but when you have a speaker of the house who says we need to strike while the iron is house and chairman of the committee so biased against this president that he wouldn't even tell us that he had met with his staff and met with the whistleblower prior to the whistleblower filing the complaint. in is a pattern with mr. schiff. he did the same thing if you remember the first big hearing the democrats did this congress, michael cohen. he didn't tell us his staff had

met with mr. cohen for hours before testimony or that he met with mr. simson from gps. this is a pattern like i said. we were hoping to hear from the ambassador today but understand why the administration and state department has chosen to say look, if it will be this kind of process. if you selectively leak text messages, 67 pages of text messages we had. they take a handful and release to all of you and not give the full context and not release the transcript, we understand why they made this decision at this moment. i'm going to let some of my -- >> ambassador sondland said he is disappointed he wasn't allowed to attend the deposition today. >> i said the same thing. we wish he would have been able to testify but understand why the administration made the decision they did. when you have a chairman release certain parts of what was said in a closed-door

interview and not release the entire transcript and give a context, you can see why they didn't want to subject ambassador sondland to the same kind of treatment. >> sandra: you are listening to congressman jim jordan there after we heard from adam schiff. it is happening fast on capitol hill. adam kinzinger still joining us. if you could jump in here on what you are hearing the back and forth and where things stand this morning after ambassador sondland did not show. >> it stands that everything is a clown show and everybody in this process is losing credibility and frankly the american people have lost and are losing faith in the institutions of government and it is really disheartening to me. i think any time congress calls somebody in to testify, it is the responsibility of that person to testify. beyond just what jim jordan said, which is they are concerned about the treatment of the ambassador and i have some sympathy for that viewpoint because i think adam

schiff does a lot of selective leaking. but the reality is if he is called in front of congress he should testify if it would help exonerate the president i don't know why they wound do it. it has become such a process. every morning something changes. new statements and everything. the average americans look at this going this is losing control and there has to be some changes all over the place on this. >> sandra: the president made it clear that they would not cooperate unless democrats brought this impeachment inquiry up for a full vote in the house. what you just heard from adam schiff was that the failure to produce witness and documents in this case ambassador sondland is more evidence of obstruction. he said the state department is holding sondland's text messages. he made the case there are text messages and emails on personal devices that they are now requesting. they called him a key player in the ukraine phone call and

pushed to investigate the bidens. to be clear ambassador sondland by a statement from his lawyer this morning said the ambassador believes strongly he acted at all times in the best interests of the u.s. and stands ready to answer the committee's questions fully and truthfully. he was volunteering to appear there but at the direction of the state department he did not show and this all happened hours before he was expected to arrive on capitol hill. >> that's why i wish he would show up. the ambassador last week testified actually seemed to exonerate the president, at least not add fuel to the fire. and frankly again with adam schiff saying this is obstruction and they're in a hurry to impeach, i think. i think there should be an inquiry into what happened but not an impeachment inquiry. the difference is impeachment inquiry says here is the end goal. an inquiry says we're interested in what happened and take the facts as they exist. i guess my heart is breaking

for the whole country. we're losing faith in the process of something like impeachment. we don't know who to believe. there is disinformation and misinformation coming from all over the place. we want answers to what happened. no foreign government should ever be involved in a u.s. election in any way. doesn't matter if any past administration or future administration does it. it should always be wrong. it doesn't necessarily mean something would rise to the level of impeachment with the democrats have jumped to. i think everybody take a deep breath and say if you'll be around in 10, 20, 30, 40 years or you have kids or grandkids what we're doing now will leave a legacy for what the future of the united states looks like. there won't be some magic jump back to maturity after all this immaturity. >> sandra: adam kinzinger. thank you. >> bill: a lot popping at the

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midst of an inquiry has an obligation, a civic duty like jury duty. >> bill: this ambassador was not subpoenaed. he willingly flew from brussels. >> the idea was he could be subpoenaed and the next step in this would be to force it to the courts which is part of the administration's overall strategy, delay, stone wall, obstruct. try to get in the way of this process which is now to the point where they feel that they're on the defensive. >> bill: maybe they feel that the process has been perverted because you haven't followed what some would consider to be the formal mode of process, all right? jay sekulow on hannity said they aren't doing it this week or next, the vote. i don't believe it. i don't think they're going to do it. it appears to be a move along that line to challenge democrats in the house, if you think you have the votes, go ahead and show us your hand. >> the white house trying to control what the congress is doing.

and let's be clear here. there is no requirement in the constitution or no requirement in the law and no requirement in house rules to have a vote on starting either an inquiry or impeachment itself. the ultimate issue is the vote on articles of impeachment where everybody is on the record. the white house is trying to put pressure on democrats on speaker pelosi by saying i want a vote now. this is a rhetorical political game. it is not -- >> bill: maybe not. maybe what they're saying is show us what the charges are. put them down on paper. >> that's their request. that's their request. there is no reality in terms of the rules. again, what i heard adam kinzinger say. it hit me. he said he just feels like for the american people the system is breaking down here. if you are asked to come before congress you are supposed to do it. not supposed to say i don't like that guy or the system or i think some games are being played. this is politics. >> bill: the white house says the president was talking about the campaign from 2016.

there could be an i.g. report that pops up any day this week or next week and it may change the way we view the events of 2016 entirely from the point that we see them today. and that could change the entire orbit for what we're watching. >> the oceans could flood tomorrow. but the idea is -- >> bill: what will happen tomorrow? >> the oceans could flood. i don't know what could happen. you can go any direction you want. the reality is right now you have a united states ambassador refusing to come and testify before congress. that's in violation of everything we know. >> bill: an employee of the u.s. government who does what the employer says and the state department saying not now. juan, thank you. see you at 5:00. smitty, what's next? >> sandra: a chilling announcement from the f.b.i. calling this man the worst serial killer in american history. new details on just how many murders he is now confessing to.

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state department can be resolved promptly. part of their quote. ambassador sondland is disappointed he won't be able to files today. interest of the united states and stands ready to answer the committee's questions fully and truthfully. >> sandra: adam schiff just moments ago blasting the delay during our last hour. >> it is hard to overstate the significance of not just sondland's testimony and the documents but the testimony of others as well. the failure to produce this witness, the failure to produce these documents, we consider yet additional strong evidence of obstruction of the constitutional functions of congress. >> sandra: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live on capitol hill for us where it's all happening. >> good morning. chairman adam schiff a few minutes ago made the case for why ambassador gordon sondland is a critical figure in this impeachment probe. >> we know that the ambassador has relevant evidence on

whether the meeting with the president that the ukrainians desperately sought with president trump was being conditioned on these investigations that the president believed would help his reelection campaign. >> gordon sondland is the u.s. ambassador to the european union and involved in a group text exchange with bill taylor, acting ambassador to ukraine and kurt volker. it was sondland who pushed back when taylor wrote. i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance with help with a political campaign. sondland said i believe you're incorrect about the president's intentions. he has been crystal clear, no quid pro quos of any kind. he is trying to evaluate whether ukraine will adopt the reforms president zelensky promised during the campaign. i suggest we stop the back and forth by text. moments ago republican jim jordan blasted the chairman who is leading this inquiry. >> we understand the reason why

the state department decided not to have ambassador sondland appear today. it's based on the unfair and partisan process that mr. schiff has been running. >> jordan once again called for release of the full kurt volker transcript who was grilled behind closed doors for a full day and republicans say quotes have been cherry picked from his day of testimony. >> sandra: it's only 10:00 on the east coast. thank you. >> bill: bring in the a-team. liz peek, robert wolf, ceo of 32 advisors and tom bevan co-founder of real clear politics. let's start with theories? you want to start there? what's going on, tom? >> the president is clearly taking a scorched earth approach forcing the democrats' hand. he wants them on record with a vote and wants them to force

them into subpoenaing witnesses. but this certainly reinforces the mess that's going on. republicans have a point this is now being done behind closed doors. why don't we do it in public? doesn't the public deserve to hear exactly what all of these folks that are involved have to say? why are we doing it behind closed doors? democrats are using it to say the trump administration is hiding something. >> bill: what do you believe? >> i think that's exactly right. a political show. the republicans feel the way the democrats are handling it is working in their favor behind the scenes. we're getting selected leaks out of adam schiff's committee. if there was anything really open and above board about this why not have these committee hearings be public? i think that's the question people are asking. i also think here maybe the administration wants to slow this down a little bit. the democrats have been rushing to impeach. interesting side bar, when trump was elected the very next week 37% of the country was in favor of impeachment. so this has been a longstanding

effort and now they're hurtling towards the finish line. the republicans want to say slow down. let's let the public understand what's going on here. it is a partisan witch hunt. >> i agree that the administration probably wants it to slow down a little. although the trend is not in their favor. 58% of the public this morning came out that they are in favor of this impeachment inquiry. ifm owe not going to take the far left or right. i thought your interview with representative kinzinger was great this morning. your interview this morning. i will just respond to how he said. that someone was called up to give the truth. that person the ambassador should come and tell the truth and if that was a perfect call as the president says we should hear about the transcript of the call, the transcript was the small couple pages of a 30-minute call. we should find out what really happened. i love the idea of more public testimony but i think he said it right when people get called up to testify they should come up and testify. >> bill: your point, tom and this point that sekulow made

last night with hannity. i don't believe it. i don't think they're going to do the vote. what the administration is saying is show us your cards. >> they want the democrats to be put on record to make this an official impeachment process. and by the way, that comes with a bunch of prerogatives for the house for both the majority and the minority. but it would also make it go through the judiciary committee and make it public, not private. i think that's what -- look, this is an important thing that is going on. we're 13 months away from the election. democrats decided to move forward with the process. they can vote him out next november but they've chosen to go this route. for the public's interest it should be all done above board and made public. >> sandra: i would throw this piece in the -- impeaching trump, voters published this morning he writes in addition to concerns about 2020 there is an itch to punish trump voters for what they did in 2016. in other words, he writes, it

isn't enough that mr. trump be defeated. his whole presidency must be delegitimized along with the people that voted him in. >> i read the article. votes matter. he won the presidency fair and square. that's period. i agree with tom, we should have eventually -- i think it should be sooner than later, congress vote on this impeachment. i understand that congress doesn't have to vote to get the information but i think there should be a vote and i think it should be more in the public domain. if we're doing something like this with the president of the united states the public needs to know everything that happens every step of the way. >> bill: sekulow from hannity last night. part of it. >> they're now talking about a second whistleblower. my statement on that is so what? we've already released the transcript. is it really relevant what some other person who may or may not have heard the conversation thought about it? the transcript has been released. it is out there in the public. >> i think that's exactly right.

that was my reaction to the second whistleblower he will say the same thing. who cares about this? i think it is just a political issue. yes, robert is right there is enthusiasm, 58% of the country wants the inquiry. that doesn't mean they want impeachment. guess what? 97% of republicans think this is going to turn out in their favor. i think this is about democrats fending off the justice democrats and tom steyer as much as it is trying to get president trump actually out of office. i think that will cost them. >> sandra: karl rove gave his take saying it's all about the headlines. >> the whole idea of this is let's create headlines and drama right from the beginning and this ill serves the country. >> sandra: tom. >> absolutely. it is all about driving a narrative. president trump was on a call with house republicans caucus and said this is not something you want on your resume meaning impeachment. >> bill: when was that? >> a few days ago. hard to keep track.

things are moving. but it's absolutely the case that both sides are trying to get control of this narrative and spin it in the way they think will benefit them politically. nobody nous how it will work out. you can talk about the polls and what the actual impeachment process looks like. at the end of the day i don't think anybody knows how it will work out politically and benefit either side in the coming election. >> it's not good for the country. >> i agree. incredible unknown how it affects the 2020. the more we make it transparent the better off it will be. look what we woke up to. look what we'll go to sleep to. >> bill: a lot of people not listening to you at the moment. speaking of 2020 bernie sanders is out of the hospital and a little bit of his first comment after that. watch. >> how are you feeling? >> i feel very good. thank you. >> when can we see you back on the trail? >> getting back to work a little bit right now. mostly what i'm trying to do. i used to walk a good distance

every day and i got out of that habit. i'm trying to get back into it. that's what i'll do right now. >> bill: he looks and sounds great. 78 and will be on the stage a week from tonight. >> no question it hurt his campaign. even that clip. i feel bad for the guy. he is sort of a warrior, wants to be out there on the trail but he lost three points in the last few days. this has clearly affected his campaign and not in a good way. >> sandra: you are writing about panicky dems. they beg michelle obama to run. >> they're looking for a hail mary pass here. they want to have a super candidate come in who really could galvanize support across the party and bring the country along. elizabeth warren won't do that. she is very popular with the democrat primary voters. she is not going to be very popular i don't think in the red states that are critical to winning back the white house. so i think a lot of people are

talking about michelle. talking about hillary clinton again, you know. i'm just saying. we'll see. >> sandra: robert, you are in touch with both of those often. >> michelle obama is not running for president. i agree the enthusiasm around her is incredible. that's not happening. hillary running for president isn't happening either. there has been a lot of momentum this week and the past month with elizabeth warren. when we look at the polls, real clear politics and other polls it is right now biden owns the moderate lane. feels like elizabeth warren owns the populist vein. i've given to a bunch of them including -- >> bill: not to hemmer. >> i haven't given to sanders and warren. i've given to others on stage. >> bill: they go around every election cycle.

we hear them more this time. michelle obama has come out a lot. just in conversation, political discussion with people outside the business itself. is it a suggestion, however, all these rumors that keep coming back that show that democrats aren't happy with the field? >> i think democrats are generally happy with their choices but the problem is some of them i think are worried that elizabeth warren isn't going to be electable in those states. is not going to be electable in the states that matter. rust belt, ohio, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin. that's where the election will be decided. her ability to connect with those voters. michelle obama's star power rises above all that. she is seen as less ideological. look, talk about news. what a story that would be in terms of if the convention were deadlocked. >> bill: it is not happening? >> not happening. >> sandra: you got on that piece though, liz. >> people are very excited

about the possibility that they get out of this place they're in and you are one of the few democrats who is optimistic about joe biden. most people aren't. they don't see him going the distance here. that puts elizabeth warren. >> the recent poll in wisconsin he is beating the president by i think double digits. if you look at pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan and ohio, vice president biden, former vice president biden is beating president trump head on. that's -- i would rather have that than the other side today. >> bill: just for the record, robert said she is not running. robert is correct, i agree with you. thank you, guys, liz, robert, tom, nice to see you. >> sandra: new reaction from president trump as he defends his decision to withdraw u.s. troops from syria. the president's decision blasted on both sides of the aisle as turkish forces move into that region. lawmakers say it will likely lead to the slaughter of

kurdish fighters who were instrumental in defeating isis. trey yengst is live for us in jerusalem. >> two days after the white house announced president trump will leave kurdish forces in northern syria to fend for themselves against a turkish military invasion, the kurds are now looking to the regime of bashar al-assad for help. the kurds could cut a deal with the syrian government to get their protection in exchange for assad regaining control over some kurdish territory. this would be a win for the syrian dictator who fought a long seven year civil war trying to take back the country from rebel forces. in the near future assad could amaas greater power. the kurds are guarding more than 10,000 isis fighters across the region. it would become a second priority if the turkish invasion is launched. the formal military campaign by turkey hasn't begun.

turkish forceers are amassing along the syrian border. turkish parliament is set to debate on a mandate to extend by one year the turkish military's ability to intervene in iraq and syria. if the operation goes forward thousands of kurdish civilians will be caught in the crossfire. president trump confirmed that he will indeed meet with turkish president erdogan in mid-november and tweeted the united states is helping the kurds while in the same tweet confirming that u.s. forces meant to protect the kurds will be leaving the region. sandra. >> sandra: trey yengst, thank you. >> bill: bringing the nationwide total of deaths from vaping to 22. what we're learning about the new cases coming up. >> sandra: a full-court press after the nba after the league commissioner defends both china and the tweet that sparked all the outrage. money man charles payne will take that up next.

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deaths rising. two states report fatalities yesterday. 70. cdc confirms more than 1,000 lung injury cases with e-cigarettes. not sure what the exact cause of the illness is. dr. marc siegel is up next hour and we'll talk to him about that. >> the long-held values of the nba are to support freedom of expression. and certainly freedom of expression by members of the nba community and in this case the general manager of the houston rock erts enjoys that right as one of our employees. >> sandra: the nba commissioner defending the houston rockets general manager supporting hong kong sparked outrage from china. the chinese government retaliating canceling a brooklynnets fundraising event and a broadcast of the

nets/lakers preseason game. >> what a firestorm, huh? i have to tell you something. the nba might be representative of most big businesses right now. i think the entire country is watching very closely because you know, american companies have really given up a lot to do business in china. and they have sacrificed a lot of what we normally would consider the ethos of america. freedom of speech. looking for the little person. doing the right thing. listen, many american companies do business in china knowing they'll be ripped off. that's just how enticing 1.2 billion potential marketplace is. many of them are doing business in china taking profits they make in america to make money losing investments for the future in china. this is a moment of truth. we'll see how the nba comes out of it. they stumbled out of the gate. the idea of apologizing for initially or taking down the tweet of this gm immediately

saying we're not a political organization. when you have a league with many players who have no problems dissing president trump and the voters. half of the american audience of america has been dissed by marquee nba players in recent years in part because there is no alternative to the nba, right? if you're a basketball fan, you don't watch for a little while and maybe you tune back for the championships. and they will have to make a decision. if you critique americans, you should have a right to defend human beings around the world. >> bill: ming was one of the best known players in china because he was number one draft pick. great career and player for houston. the gm makes this comment and it reverberates across the pacific. the chinese government canceled a brooklyn nets event today on tuesday in shanghai.

the nets/lakers are there to play some preseason games. silver said support freedom of expression. when some of your marquee players and some of your main coaches i'm thinking lebron james, steph curry they have something to say about everything in america today. politics, social opinions, time and again. silver has to have their back when it comes to freedom of expression because sometimes that's all these guys do is express. >> that expression should go beyond the borders of the united states. we should be able to say hey, the way you are treating the folks in hong kong or the way -- you can't take a million people and persecute them because of their religion. we don't stand for that as americans and we have a right to say that at the very least. >> bill: did you see the comment the head coach of gonz ago yeah had to say about the california governor. he wants college athletes to be paid for playing in college.

here is what the head coach said about that? >> what i find totally disappointing and just disgusting is that a governor is wasting his time grandstanding around. he should probably stay in his lane like i tell my players and figure out homelessness and i think he has got a state that borders mexico and get that mess figured out. >> sandra: as we covered that story everybody had an opinion on it. this one over here you can hardly contain him. everybody has a thought on that pay for athletes story. this was an interesting perspective from that coach there. >> yeah. i think he says, though, he does support athletes either being paid. he thinks a governor shouldn't be involved. that's a red flag for me when somebody tells everybody else to stay in their lane.

if he shouldn't be looking out for everything in his state. i don't know that's outside his lane. >> sandra: his point is why are you focusing here when you have a serious homelessness problem? >> i can think he can deal with homelessness and say these kids at schools where the coach is making $5 million a year for wearing a nike shoe, maybe they should get paid? a lot of them don't eat. >> sandra: now we know where you stand. >> i'm a capitalist. when i hear people defend the status quo that i think is unfair. people who said they hated president trump's tariff battles with china. china is ripping us off. they hate this idea. although i do think players should get paid. reminds me of the abolitionist movement in the country. so many good people said i'm against slavery but now is not the time to fight it. >> bill: why is a full ride not enough, charles? >> it's not enough because if i

bring in $10 million and you give me $100,000 in value it's unfair. >> i'm 18 and getting a full ride to a great american university that is giving me another chance. >> you can't make $5 million off of me and in return i'll give you a $50,000 education. it is not fair. you are ripping these people off. they are being used and abused. give them something because you are making millions off of them. it's usury. >> bill: what do you pay them? >> something more than zero. you are making millions off of them, millions. it is an unbalanced relationship. nobody in this building would work for less. >> when i was in 18 years old when you came to me with a full ride. >> but your coach making $5 million a year. >> then i go to the nba and make more money than you're talking about. >> i think people should get paid for what they're worth. >> sandra: you made your case

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democrat colleagues cherry picking text messages when the full text of ambassador volker's testimony last week would have exonerated this president, let's release it. i'm all for bringing the ambassador in but let's only do so after we release the full. >> sandra: fired up mark meadows. the impeachment process hasn't been fair is what he says as democrats slam the state department to block the ambassador this morning from appearing before congress. senator marsha blackburn will join us for her reaction in a moment. rich edson is live with new details from the state department. >> good morning. ambassador gordon sondland agreed to appear voluntarily this morning. the state department told him that he could not. since he is still the ambassador from the united states to the european union, that he has to follow that directive. according to his attorneys who also say ambassador sandland is profoundly disappointed he won't be able to testify today

and believes strongly that he acted at all times in the best interests of the united states and he stands ready to answer the committee's questions fully and truthfully. his attorney says he traveled from brussels to appear this morning. stands ready to testify on short notice whenever allowed. state department has no comment. text messages submitted to three house committees show him working with the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani as he pushed for ukraine to investigate former president joe biden and also a conversation where the top american official in the u.s. embassy in ukraine texted it would be crazy to withhold security assistance to ukraine to help a political campaign. sondland denied that was the case and said he wanted to take that conversation off text. these committees have requested five current or former state department officials to appear and discuss this. ambassador kurt volker testified last week. he recently resigned from the state department. former ambassador ukraine is scheduled to appear friday.

she is still employed by the state department. no longer ambassador to ukraine. it is unclear if the state department will request that she not testify, either. sandra. >> sandra: all right, rich edson at the state department. >> bill: bring in our headliner marsha blackburn. senator, welcome back to our program here. you followed the ping-pong so far today. what do you make of what's moving on the hill? >> there is a lot going on and there is a lot of activity on capitol hill. >> sandra: senator -- >> bill: whoa, what is that? what does that mean? >> that means you are seeing things in the house, you are hearing tweets from the president, you are hearing statements coming out from senate judiciary. so a lot happening. >> sandra: that is what just happened. when you talk senate judiciary the chairman of that committee

just tweeted out lindsey graham. i will offer to mr. giuliani to come before the committee to inform us of his concerns. something to know about. what's the goal here? >> what you are going to see senate judiciary do is fulfill our responsibility. i look forward to getting the inspector general's report. i look forward to the durham report. i look forward to hearing from anyone who has information that would provide some closure to this. what we do know is that the democrats want this to be a kavanaugh circus all over again. they want to rush the process. have people come forward before they are ready. or before they're prepared so they can try to discredit witnesses. you are seeing that today. and what we do know is that the state department is going to abide by the constitution, comply with the law, protect the interest of this nation, and the executive branch.

and let's follow things through on an orderly process. what the house is doing is another part of their continuation to discredit president donald trump and to try to undo the results of the election. you had hillary clinton last week saying -- making the statement that he was not a legitimate president. i mean we know what they are doing and what we want to do is make certain that due process is provided and that the rule of law is followed. >> sandra: senator, i want to provide the context in which the chairman of your committee, the judiciary committee in the senate sent out that text. he also wrote have heard on numerous occasions disturbing allegations about rudy giuliani and the firing of shokin. he says it is time for the senate to inquire about

corruption and other impro pry tease involving ukraine. the committee came to this decision expecting a certain outcome. what do you expect would come from that and do you expect that will happen? >> you don't come to it expecting a certain outcome. when you are following due process, allowing due process and following the rule of law, you come to it saying we're going to go where the facts lead us. and that is the orderly process that you'll see from the u.s. senate judiciary committee. it's getting to the bottom of this and bringing some clarity to the american people on what transpired in 2016. and you know, sandra, one of the things i was thinking this morning as i was looking at all of this breaking fast on so many different fronts, this is truly rules for radicals in action. they want to bring chaos. they want to bring division. what they want to do is

delegitimize. and this is something that is not good for the country. this is the type of behavior that is going to just continue to foster harsh attitudes and hateful rhetoric. and it is time to bring this to an end. focus on what is good for the country. >> bill: it appears to be the challenge that the white house is issuing as of 90 minutes ago that the house bring it to a vote. on syria, the president defending his latest decision on that. >> president trump: we've been in syria for many years. syria was supposed to be a short-term hit. a very short-term hit and in and out. i told turkey if they do anything outside of what we would think is humane they could suffer the wrath of an extremely decimated economy. >> bill: in return nancy pelosi says once again president trump is desserting an ally.

it poses a dire threat to regional security and sends a dangerous message to iran and russia that the united states is no longer a trusted partner for our allies. do you support this move or not? >> one of the things i have concerns with is what will happen to the 2000 isis fighters that turkey is responsible for at that point. bill, we have a very large kurdish population in the nashville area and when i talk to tennesseans who have really warmly welcomed this community, they talk about protecting the kurds. i had two provisions in the defense authorization act, one dealing with the peshmerga in iraq and the sdf in syria in case we had a withdrawal from the northeast portion of the country. so we're very focused on making certain that we stand with the kurds and we want to make

certain that the policies we put in the ndaa would be something that would mesh with what the administration is trying to do. the policy is announced -- >> bill: would the kurds still be defended or not? >> i disagree with the policy as has been laid out. but i'm really focused on making certain that those 2,000 isis fighters do not return to their home communities, villages and countries and that they do not re-form and go back to attacking and killing tennesseans and americans. >> sandra: did the president jeopardize that? >> i want us to be thoughtful in what we're doing. i disagree with a policy of coming out but sandra, we have to keep the focus on making certain that these isis fighters are not released.

that they do not re-form and that they do not go back to attacking and killing us and our allies. >> sandra: all right. senator, we appreciate you coming on this morning. >> bill: senator marsha blackburn in tennessee. jeopardy host alex trebek hinting his tenure on the show may be coming to a close. an update on what he is telling us in a moment. >> because i was making such good progress we thought i was finished with chemo. it was overly optimistic. >> sandra: the penalty phase for a man convicted of the gruesome murders of two women underway. how his families emotional testimony could spell life in prison or death for the hollywood ripper. >> i'm just empty without her. i'm sick to my stomach because

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>> bill: we're hearing alex trebek may have to leave jeopardy because of cancer treatment. he is having trouble enunciating due to sores in his mouth that he has acquired because of chemotherapy. >> when i feel my skills have diminished to the point that i notice and am bothered by it. i notice now but i'm not as bothered by it because all the people around me are saying no, it's okay. but there will come a point where they will no longer be able to say it's okay. >> bill: he is 79. currently battling pancreatic cancel. he hosted the show since 1984. sending him our best, good luck, alex. >> the loss you go through the rest of your life after losing

a child. it's not supposed to be that way. >> sandra: the father of a woman killed by the hollywood ripper taking the stand in the penalty phase of the trial. jurors will recommend life in prison or death penalty in the grizzly murders of two women. one of the victims was set to go on a date with ashton kucher the night he was killed. he is also facing a murder in illinois. horrific stories coming from this trial. >> it was stomach churning preparing for this segment. looking at the details of the murders. one of the victims was stabbed 47 times almost decapitated. another one was mutilated. what was so weird about this case is the defense was a little disjointed. the defense went forward and had these enormous screens of the butchered bodies of the young women saying he can't be

sane to have committed these murders and you need to acquit on the basis of insanity. the jury didn't buy it. >> bill: would you go death penalty? >> undoubtedly. look at the fact. >> california nou. >> there is a moratorium on it. there has been a moratorium since march. look at the circumstances. one, he had gone from place to place. three different locations. one in illinois, then fled to california. murdered one. went to a second apartment complex murdered a second. attempted to murder a third. four individuals that he victimized brutally. three of which are dead -- hasn't convicted of the illinois one yet. there is no remorse. in one of the -- after being interviewed in one of the killings he said well, i left her be for dead. >> bill: why does the insanity not fly for this?

>> frankly because of the way he fled from place to place. that's a guilty conscious. why would you leave illinois, move to one location and having been convicted of murdering the second victim and then a third. that going from place to place certainly shows that there is a guilty mind, a guilty conscience. knowing there is some consciousness he knew what he was doing. the prosecution's expert stepped forward and said this is not a man who is insane but he delights in the act of killing itself. chilling. >> sandra: horrific for some of the families that chose to sit in the courtroom. i can't imagine they sat through some of the evidence you are describing. you heard from one of the mothers of one of the victims her life has never been the same. >> it's awful. the victim impact statements are horrific to sit through. the jury will vote their conscious. they had to show that they were going to be able to ultimately make that decision of a death penalty if that's what they

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>> bill: big lawsuit being brought against the creators of a popular game called fortnite. it says the video game was designed to be as addictive as cocaine. brett larson shaking this one down. how are you, sir? >> sandra: full disclosure, does anybody here play? >> i have never played it. just throw that in. you know, these immersive games have this ability to be very addictive. the lawsuit claims that they made it addictive on purpose so that people would continue to play. the lawsuit being filed by some parents in canada actually. parents of teenagers who say they didn't warn the public that this game was going to be so addictive. some of the articles that we've

read, some of the research we've done people compare it to cigarette smoking. they never told us cigarette smoking would be addictive. there is that. there are the facts on the table. look, over the 10, 15, 20 years i have been covering the realm of technology this is not the first time where we've seen one of these immersive games take over people's lives. there have been games in the past where people got really into playing, especially the online fantasy games where it is a deep dive in. >> sandra: the suit alleges the defendants, the company, uses the same tactics as creators of slot machines or variable reward programs to insure the dependence of users, a rough translation. the brain being manipulated to always want more. it is free to play, to be clear. but then when you are on there spending a lot of money. >> you can spend money buying rewards so you can get more costumes, access different levels. get into different places.

it is similar to when you play candy crush you run through your five free lives and want to buy five for lives for 99 cents and you keep going. are we going to have warnings put on the boxes? i don't know. i certainly don't see a warning that this -- >> bill: what will law firms when they get to instagram or twitter, netflix, fox news. >> all things we want people to stick around for. >> bill: see you at starbucks in the morning. >> sandra: president trump defending his decision to block an ambassador's testimony about ukraine. the president calling it a kangaroo court. we're live at the white house on top of a brand-new hour. ♪

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>> sandra: fox team coverage. chief white house correspondent john roberts is standing by live for us. we begin us this morning. good morning. >> bill: good morning. within the last hour the lawyer for ambassador sondland has released a statements to reporters confirming he has been directed by the state department not to appear this morning for a transcribed interview in the secure facility behind me. that statement reads in part ambassador sondland hopes the issues raised by the state department that preclude his testimony will be resolved promptly and stands ready to testify on short notice whenever he is permitted to appear. earlier this morning the democratic chairman of the house intelligence committee complained sondland has text messages and emails he thinks are relevant to their investigation but have not been provided to date. it is important to note that congressman schiff gave a lengthy statement to reporters today but he took no questions from reporters. >> withholding of the ambassador's documents and

efforts that may have the effect of discouraging other state department witnesses from coming forward and testifying as they have agreed to, to be further acts of obstruction of a co-equal branch of government. >> newly released text messages between top diplomats show that september was a key period of activity. the texts you're seeing here from from the u.s. top diplomat in ukraine bill taylor to the u.s. ambassador to the e.u. gordon sondland. taylor writes are we now saying that security assistance and white house meeting are conditioned on investigations? sondland responds call me and continues as i said on the phone, i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance to help with a political campaign. sondland responds the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind. he is trying to evaluate whether ukraine is going to adopt the transparency and reform that president zelensky promised during his campaign. this morning republicans said

it was essential that the democrats who control these committees release the full transcripts from another ambassador's transcribed interviewed last week. they believe the testimony of ambassador volker will gut the narrative put forward by the democrats about the quid pro quo and the republican's position that everything was above board. here are the republicans. >> why not release the transcript so you can all see what ambassador volker told us? there is no wrongdoing. >> if we sound like we're pissed it's because we are. the american people are getting screwed by a liberal base demanding impeachment and they don't care what the crime is. >> what we anticipate based on our reporting this morning is that the democratic chairman adam schiff may be preparing to draft a subpoena for sondland's testimony and the senate side the republican chairman of the judiciary committee with

oversight over these matters has offered an invitation to the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani to testify about evidence that he says shows corruption did exist with democrats in the ukraine. back to you. >> sandra: that's a lot. catherine herridge. thank you. >> bill: president trump weighing in on the developments already. live to the north lawn to bring in our chief white house correspondent john roberts to begin another day. john, good morning. >> good morning to you. first of all if adam schiff issues a subpoena for sondland to appear it won't have any more effect than the other subpoenas the three committees have been sending to the executive branch. the president weighing in on the decision by the state department not to let sondland give that behind closed doors interviews. the president said i would love to send ambassador sondland to testify but he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court where republicans' rights have been taken away and true facts

aren't allowed for the public to see. the tweet stated i believe you're incorrect about president trump's intention. the president has been crystal clear, no quid pro quos of any kind says it all. the president's strategy is emerging here claiming that due process has been denied for him. that by not holding a vote in the full house to authorize a legitimate impeachment inquiry, the president is being blocked from certain things like having his representatives present for some of these behind closed doors interviews. the precedent was set with the nixon and clinton impeachments. the full house voted to authorize the house judiciary to begin an impeachment inquiries. much of the process was in public. this inquiry for the most part going on behind closed doors with the president unable to have any of his people present. meeting with military leaders last night the president dismissed the emergence of a second whistleblower in the

ukraine controversy saying the transcript of the call is out there. the white house has acknowledged that transcript was nofd to a highly secure computer system. what else could a second whistleblower know? the president was asked last night if he is concerned about the second whistleblower. listen here. >> president trump: not at all. the call was a perfect call. you had -- >> the white house is working on the letter it may send to nancy pelosi saying it will not comply with any subpoenas for requests for documents unless and until a full vote on an impeachment inquiry is put before the entire house. >> bill: yesterday at this time we were all about syria. a lot of developments over the past 24 hours. what is the president saying about that decision today? >> he is sticking by his decision to pull u.s. forces away from the border between turkey and syria.

the president did not give a green light to turkey to invade northern syria. certainly not attack the kurds. listen to what the president said during a signing ceremony for a new u.s./japan trade agreement yesterday. >> president trump: i have told turkey if they do anything outside of what we would think is humane to use the word a second time. we talk about hong kong and this. they could suffer the wrath of an extremely decimated economy and i've done it once. i did it with pastor brun son. their currency fell at record levels and lots of other things happened. it would have a relationship with president erdogan. >> the president getting a lot of criticism from his republican colleagues for making this move. the president echoing the words of kentucky senator rand paul. the united states cannot get trapped in, quote, endless wars. >> bill: thank you, john roberts there. we'll be back later today. i'm certain.

thank you. >> my first teaching position was as a special needs teacher. the end of the first school year i was quite visibly pregnant and the principal didn't invite me back for the next school year. i was visibly pregnant. i was visibly pregnant. and the principal did what principals did in those days, wished me luck and hired someone else for the job. >> sandra: elizabeth warren says she is sticking by the claim she was fired from her first teaching job because she was pregnant despite telling the story in a completely different light back in 2007. take a listen at what she said back then. >> i went back to graduate school and took a couple of courses in education and said i don't think this is going to work out for me. and i was pregnant with my first baby. so i had a baby and stayed home

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between the two stories. it brings to light warren's pattern of telling stories that don't add up about her background and her efforts to turn herself into a victim in some ways, for example saying her parents had to elope because her mother was cherokee. she is not cherokee. as she goes for the frontrunner status against joe biden she will face more scrutiny about her claims of victimhood she is using in her campaign stump speeches on the campaign trail. >> sandra: you mentioned the washington free beacon. they reported on the transcript from local school board meetings. cbs has gone extensive reporting on the two different stories we've heard from the presidential candidate. the transcript revealed that she was rehired that spring and that the board anticipated with regret her resignation the following summer.

the school board minutes show the board voted by unanimous role call to extend her a provisional certificate in speech pathology. her handling of this i suppose isn't going away for her. she tweeted on it this morning. when i was 22 and finishing my first year of teaching i had an experience millions of women will recognize. by june i was visibly pregnant. the principal told me the job i was promised for the next year would go to someone else. it was 1971. we know it still happens in subtle and not so subtle ways. we can fight back by telling our stories. i tell mine on the campaign trail and i hope to hear yours. she made the case in the interview she didn't change her story, she chose to open up about her past. >> she is trying to argue that what she said in 2007 is the same as 2014 in her memoir. she is just giving more information. look, elizabeth warren will have to explain a lot of things

she has said on the campaign trail as a portrayal of herself. we're in the age of authenticity. elizabeth warren has had a hard time maintaining her authenticity about the stories of discrimination against herself and using the story of discrimination because she was pregnant even though the documents don't show otherwise to try to relate to women and get ahead in the polls and to argue that women are maybe still discriminated against in the workplace because they're pregnant and she will have to answer those things as she nips at the heels of vice president joe biden who has been leading her in the polls. >> sandra: she is sticking by that story for now. thank you. >> bill: another alert this past hour. senator lindsey graham invited rudy giuliani to appear before his senate committee in public and share his concerns about corruption in ukraine. we'll bring you details on that, sandra. >> sandra: is there a double standard when it comes to the

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>> sandra: just a few moments ago senate judiciary chairman lindsey graeme asking rudy giuliani to share his concerns about corruption in ukraine. given the house of representatives behavior, it is time for the senate to inquire other improprietary involving ukraine. join us now is former utah congressman jason chaffetz. what do you make of this new development? there has been a lot of back and forth this morning but senator lindsey graham just putting that out a few moments ago. >> i have to tell you, i have to digest it a little bit.

i don't know it's the best idea politically to do. mr. giuliani is highly respected. the nation's mayor so to speak. i have a greatest admiration for him. but he certainly hasn't been a shrinking violet out there. he has been on most news programs sharing what he wants to share. if there is other information behind the scenes that he wants to highlight obviously he has convinced chairman graham to do so. wait and see. i don't know exactly how it will turn out. an interesting twist. >> sandra: what do you think of everything that's happened with the ambassador being told by the state department not to appear per democrats' request to appear on capitol hill? he didn't show and notified the committee just hours before he was expected on capitol hill. where does all this leave us this morning, jason? >> well, the house republicans are going to need to get a little more aggressive. they are sort of the silent minority if you will.

democrats are trying to invoke the political death penalty and not allowing for due process. they aren't allowing the other side of the aisle, the other side of the story to be told. they are going to need to get more aggressive there. the white house is playing offense. but i worry that the republicans in the house, where are they and what are they doing? for instance, congressman biggs has a piece of legislation to censure adam schiff. only 77 people signed onto that piece of legislation. why aren't they there in uniform top to bottom unanimous in their support of going against adam schiff? i do think the white house is doing this right. remember, sandra, three times they have tried to bring up impeachment and three times it has failed. they need to vote. they have not shown the ability to pass a piece of legislation invoking formal impeachment proceedings. >> sandra: it's what the white house maintained.

bring it to a vote or we won't comply with the requests. we are getting updates what may happen next with all of this. the trio of house committees that's looking into impeachment will likely issue a subpoena for sondland to appear. fox is told earlier they may try to get sondland in today as he made the trip from brussels expecting to speak to lawmakers. the state department says don't do that. then they say even if house democrats were to issue a subpoena later today it is unlikely they could get sondland before investigators right away. take on all of that. if they do issue a subpoena could they possibly get the ambassador in front of the committee today? >> well, i don't think it's a crystal clear legal case for the democrats. three times previously democrats have brought up the

idea of impeachment. three times on the floor it has failed. so to say that you are going to issue a subpoena in relation to impeachment, they haven't actually formalized impeachment. they have to be able to have due process. the republicans top to bottom all the way down up and down that aisle have got to actually stand up and say you need to vote on this as has happened in the past. >> sandra: good to get your reaction to all of it this morning. thank you. >> bill: the number of rising deaths again from a lung illness 70 linked to vaping as officials investigate the cause of that. the judge explains why she gave the convicted murder a hug in court. >> he will forever be the murderer of jean. how she carries it forward depends on how we receive her. take prilosec otc and take control of heartburn.

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giant in america to stop selling e-cigarettes as 22 people have died from a serious lung injury that may be linked to vaping. dr. marc siegel professor of medicine here in new york. good morning to you. 22 vaping deaths associated with this. go ahead and tell us if we're any closer to understanding it. >> we're getting there. over 1,000 cases in 48 states. here is why we're getting there. most of them appear to be linked to vaping thc products which are oil based. the regular e-cigarettes you think like juul are water based. looks like injuries to the lung is oil based. a study in the "new england journal of medicine" in the last couple of weeks shows it is not the oil itself. it is a chemical that the oil is laced with. i want viewers to understand how this happens. it is a cartridge. it is something usually illegal or illicit. all kinds of additives are added to it.

now in california, bill, in 10 out of 10 cases of thc vaped products they found a fungicide when burned turns into hydrogen cyanide does. a chemical that's caustic to the lungs. it is starting to look like it's a trail. we're seeing chemicals that are caustic to the lungs that are found in these thc vapes that is the likely cause in most of the cases. >> bill: what you described in california is oil or water based? >> oil-based thc products were laced with a fungicide when you burn turns into hydrogen cyanide. very caustic. >> bill: did you suspect that? >> i suspected it was the oil itself. i knew the oil was being laced by emulsifier. i didn't know it would turn out to be the chemical. the study looked at the actual tissue and found its chemical burns. >> bill: very interesting.

if you use anything too much can be harmful. >> no question about that. i want to talk about the basic e-cigarette we've been talking about. that's a different story. 40 million people in the united states are vaping e-cigarettes. a study out of nyu this week discovered that mice, when they vape just nicotine-based e-cigarettes, they are mice, granted. 40 mice for a year had a 20% chance of developing lung cancer. so when we say that vaping is safe, i say it's a lot safer than traditional tobacco cigarettes and i still use it. >> the oil-based theory. >> juul and those like it are water based. the flavors are toxic but not as toxic as the oil stuff. the regular e-cigarette is safer than the thc products but now when we expose mice to it

for over a year it increases the risk of lung cancer. >> bill: too much of anything can be bad for you. >> i say as a doctor we've never tested this stuff. how come e-cigarettes are on the market. 40 million people vaping. we don't know what's in them and the we don't know the long-term health effects. >> bill: back over to sandra. >> >> sandra: the state department blocks a key witness from testifying in the impeachment inquiry. where does it all go next? i'm embarrassed to even say i felt like i was going to spend my whole adult life paying this off thanks to sofi, i can see the light at the end of the tunnel as of 12pm today, i am debt free ♪ not owing anyone anything is the best feeling in the world, i cannot stop smiling about it ♪

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senate judiciary committee is brett tolman. thank you for your time. help our viewers understand what you think is happening here. >> this is supposed to be a fact-finding mission. the house is supposed to find facts to support whether or not there should be an impeachment or a process in which they send it to the senate for trial. but we don't have fact finding here. we have political games and that's what is frustrating for someone like myself who deals with due process and knows the value of giving fair and balanced rights to those that you are accusing of a crime. >> bill: take us through what you believe would be fair and balanced in this process. what should democrats on these house committees do? >> they are accusing the president of a crime. any time we do that, we afford the opportunity for the target of an investigation to be

represented. the democrats don't want to include his own representation in any of the meetings or the depositions. we also allow them the defense so to speak to be able to subpoena or get documents, to fact find on their own efforts. and they are not allowing the republicans in the house to do that. so what you have are democrats that want to be the judge, they want to be the jury, they want to be the prosecution, and ironically and the counsel representing the accusers and the accused. in any system that is not fair. >> bill: sekulow said they won't vote this week or next. i don't think they are going to do it. isn't that really what is behind this move earlier today to try to force the democrats' hand to bring it to a vote on the floor of the house? do you believe that? >> well, if they were to do it in a formal process the way it

has been done in the past, it would have much more of an appearance of at least a fair process. right now if you are conducting a circus. don't be surprised if only clowns are showing up and why you aren't getting witnesses willing to come in and to appear in front of committees in which you have chairmen that have lied or have hidden facts or denied the republicans the ability to respond. >> bill: here is a tweet from the white house. here we go with regard to sondland, the ambassador from the e.u. i would love to send sondland to testify but unfortunately he would be testifying before a kangaroo court and the true facts aren't allowed for the public to see. his tweets which few reports stated i believe you are

incorrect about president trump's intentions. the president has been crystal clear. no quid pro quos of any kind. that says it all. do we ever hear from this ambassador? >> i think it's possible he may testify at some point. what the democrats have not been doing, which was done in the nixon impeachment effort, was including the other side, working together, coming up with a process that both sides can agree on. and when you cut out an entire party, then you also cut out half of the legitimacy of the effort you're leading. it is not surprising that the state department has indicated that it is not going to allow one of its ambassadors to testify. it probably won't do so until it has some comfort that this is going to be a process that is more fair. >> bill: interesting. last question from me then. all of these interviews are taken behind closed doors for the past week and a half. lindsey graham sent an invitation for rudy giuliani to come before his committee on

the senate side and testify publicly. do you believe that could possibly be the first public hearing we get on this? >> you know, it very well could be. that's an environment that perhaps mayor giuliani would feel more comfortable being able to go in knowing that they would take questions from both sides in a process that might be more fair. whether it's advisable given the amount of privilege to rudy giuliani may have to deal with in terms of executive privilege. at this point that's an effort i think by chairman graham to have more transparency or to bring fairness to this process. >> bill: that would be ironic if giuliani was first on the senate side. thank you for your time today. nice to have you on our program. thank you. >> to date a total of 71 miles of new wall has already been constructed.

it is not just a wall, a wall system integrating lighting, technology and access roads. this wall system is essential to our nation's border security by replacing outdated and dilapidated designs. it isn't what the president asked for. this is what the experts asked for. >> sandra: that was acting cbp commissioner mark morgan touting progress in the construction of the border wall with large sections going up every day. william la jeunesse has more on that from los angeles. >> we have two things just coming out of the news conference with mark morgan. apprehensions are down from 5,000 a day to 1700. secondly, the administration said it completed 71 miles of new wall. let's go to the graphic. some 509 miles it says of new wall will be completed or under construction by the end of the president's term in office december 2020 including 287

miles of replacement barrier and 222 miles of new fence. it will be 18 feet to 30 feet high includes roads, cameras, sensors. costs around $10 billion and despite several setbacks in court, the administration claims progress. they arrested 851,000 migrants in 2019 on the southwest border. highest since 2007. twice the number the year trump took office. the gold line look at the sharp drop in the blue line beginning in june and instead of 150,000 monthly apprehensions, the number dropped by 2/3 in september. officials credit mexico and the u.s. program which requires nearly all asylum seekers to remain south of the border while the u.s. courts consider their application. >> we have essentially ended catch and release. if you come to our borders now with a child, it is no longer an immediate passport into the interior of the united states.

instead, they will be afforded a lawful and expedited process but they will not be released into the interior of the united states never to be heard from again. >> the key to that is the u.s. signing these third safe country agreements with honduras, el salvador and guatemala. the supreme court said if you have the safe third country agreement the u.s. can deny them at the border. that's what is happening. the key is mexico. one columnist said the trump wall has become mexico. back to you. >> sandra: thank you. >> bill: the new york yankees taking care of business sweeping the minnesota twins right from the postseason. 5-1 win in game three. yankees advance to the american league championship series where they await the series winner between the houston astros and tampa bay rays. game four of that series

tonight on fs1. >> sandra: did you find yourself rooting on the yankees, bill hemmer? >> i find myself cheering for the cincinnati reds. in the interest of being fair here st. louis beat atlanta yesterday. that series is tied two apiece. l.a. dodgers and nats tied two games apiece. >> sandra: baseball finally has your attention. that's a good thing. president trump defending his decision to pull u.s. troops from northern syria saying he is fulfilling a campaign promise. but what is the fallout when it comes to the war on isis? we'll take a closer look at this next. >> president trump: syria was supposed to be a short-term hit and we were supposed to be in and out. that was many, many years ago. we only have 50 people in that area. it is a small sector. i don't want those 50 people hurt or killed.

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>> president trump: we did a great service to the world and a great service to europe in particular where so many of these fighters came from. we said take them back. >> sandra: president trump defending his decision to pull american troops out of northern syria. critics say the president is allowing turkey to invade the region abandoning our kurdish allies. john hannah, former security advisor to dick cheney. good morning and thank you for being here. what did you make of this move by the president? >> well, i'm deeply troubled by it. there are two parts to it. first is the way the decision got made itself which seemed to be very compulsive or impulsive without a lot of deliberation either with his advisors, congress, or our allies on the ground. our kurdish allies who have fought and lost more than

10,000 people in this fight against isis. second part is just the substance of the decision itself which i think has deeply troubling implications for american strategic interests both in terms of fighting and keeping isis down and second in terms of what our adversaries will do to try to fill the vacuum if america pulls back. iranians and russians in particular. >> sandra: the president said it was a campaign promise and he is fulfilling that and something he promised the american people that he was elected on, john. >> i understand that. the president's job at the end of the day, his highest order is to do everything possible to keep the american people safe. he has to make decisions sort of weighing the risks of different courses of action. i think in this case if he really talked to his advisors, to our military and diplomatic

experts, i think he would find that this is a move that carries too high of a risk that you are going to have a resurgence of isis. you've got more than 12,000 isis fighters that are in kurdish prisons. if the kurds now have to turn around and start fighting turkey, there is a great danger that those people will be released and returned to the battlefield and then you have the problem of iran trying to entrench itself inside of syria. our presence together with the kurds has proved to be an important blocking obstacle to the iranians and without us there i think there is a great danger that they entrench and fulfill their ambition of being right on the israeli border. >> sandra: ted cruz called the move disgraceful. nikki haley said it's a big mistake. elizabeth cheney said it was a

catastrophic mistake but here is mike lee. >> we've been there without a declaration of there or authorization for the use of military force. we shouldn't be doing this without buy-in from the american people and without following the prescribed constitutional formula. president trump recognized there is no declaration of war. he got us out and did the right thing. >> sandra: that was with shannon bream last night. you heard that defense of the move. rand paul also hit back at the president's critics saying they always want to stay at waor. what did you think of what you heard from senator mike lee? >> i think there is an important point about the american executive being in consultation with the people's representatives in congress about military action overseas. i think that's a legitimate point. not the point that the president made. the president made he wants to end what he calls a forever and endless war there. my own view of this is that the president ought to be claiming an enormous success in syria unlike iraq where we were there

with over 100,000 forces, expended enormous blood and treasure to try to free that country. in syria we have worked with 1,000 to 2,000 u.s. troops enabling over 50,000 local fighters who have carried the brunt of this action against a force, isis, that really didn't just threaten syria and the middle east but threatened the entire world and the united states. this is a sustainable operation that i didn't hear the american people clamoring for it to end. i think reversing that decision does create an enormous risk now for the united states and our allies in the region. >> sandra: a big move by the president. one he continues to defend this morning. although many critics both sides of the aisle and a growing list of republicans criticizing that move by the president. we'll see what happens next with all of it. thank you for your time. >> bill: now to a family demanding answers after a u.s.

diplomat's wife leaves the u.k. a suspect in a deadly car crash that killed their son. why was she able to leave the country? >> it is dishonorable thing to do to leave. go back to her own country. of the ivory billed woodpecker. what??? no, no no no no. battery power runs out. lifetime retirement income from tiaa doesn't. guaranteed monthly income for life. nooooo!

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can immunity to be dropped and state department saying it ras rare that would ever happen. the accident that led to the death of the 19-year-old man took place august 27 when his motorcycle collided head on with a car said to have been driving on the wrong side of the road after pulling out from a u.s. military base in ex land. the woman driving that car has been identified by the media a 42-year-old mother of three and wife of a u.s. government employee working in the u.k. she returned to the u.s. soon after the accident having told police she wouldn't do so. in a statement released yesterday the state department expressed their sympathies to the family adding any questions regarding a waiver of the immunity with regard to our diplomats and their family members receive intense attention at senior levels and considered carefully given the global impact such decisions carry. immunity is rarely waived.

now media in the u.k. is saying that her husband was not registered as a u.s. diplomat in the u.k. and there is a special bilateral agreement in place between the two countries that covers employees working specifically at this base, an intelligence listening station. so the family of the 19-year-old just want answers. they may travel to the u.s. to try to speak to the family or state department. boris johnson saying if the ambassador doesn't take it up he might go straight to president trump to solve a diplomatic problem. >> bill: benjamin hall watching that story. >> sandra: two more parents pleading guilty in the college admissions scandal. today they will learn their fate. how much jail time could they get?

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lochland could get more time if she goes to trial versus resolving the case before that. >> see what happens, thank you. >> got to roll. >> got to roll. see you tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> let's begin with fox news alert, house democrats announcing they will subpoena gordon sondland today for testimony and documents. this is after the trump administration blocked the ambassador from appearing behind closed doored for transcribed interview before committees into the impeachment of president trump. adam schiff hitting the administration and accusing the state department withholding private messages from congress located on ambassador sondland's personal device. >> the failure to produce this witness, the failure to produce these documents, we