teacher, jean zachary, there he is this morning. his 87th birthday is today. he was born in brooklyn, 1932, and his family was in the textile business, but he became a master yoga instructor. he is an unreal shape, and also a fox fan. happy birthday, jean. that's all the time we have. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it from here. >> shannon: oh, my gosh, he is very impressive. by the way, it's my sister's birthday today. >> laura: a lot of good people on october 2nd. >> shannon: yeah. thank you, laura. all right, we begin with a fox news alert. breaking tonight, democrats with yet another person close to president trump, and vice president mike pence, that's breaking tonight. new questions for house intel chairman adam schiff about what he knew and when. a bombshell report, the nations largest abortion provider, plan parenthood with a super clinic in southern illinois.

andy fox news at night exclusi exclusive, here to respond to congresswoman's rashida tlaib, who claimed african-american analyst only should be running the police department facial recognition software because she says white people think african-americans all look alike. we will tell you with the chief has to say beard hello, and welcome to "fox news @ night," i'm shannon bream in washington. oxime coverage tonight, trace gallagher standing by with late breaking on biden's efforts in ukraine, trump lawyer rudy giuliani, but we can with gillian turner with a look at the president's plan to back against democrats he says have been trying to impeach him since the day he was sworn in. >> that's right. breaking tonight, shannon, members of the president's inner circle going on offense, threatening legal action against his political rivals, including the congressional investigators building a case for impeachment. the white house may not have a so-called war room to fight back against the impeachment inquiry, but president trump says he is developing a legal strategy.

>> i probably will be bringing a lot of litigation against that a lot of people having to do with the corrupt investigation, having to do with the 2016 election. >> his personal attorney doubling down on that strategy tonight, saying they are not afraid to sue city members of congress, including the chairmae committee. >> that is why we are considering a lawsuit with him as one of the defendants. remember, he doesn't have immunity when he is off the floor of the congress. >> the chairman of the three investigating committees are unleashing new threats against the white house, releasing a memo and a draft subpoena, writing the white house's flagrant disregard of multiple requests for documents combined with stark and urgent warnings from the inspector general about the gravity of these allegations have left us with no choice. senate republican lindsey graham today reached out on the president's behalf to australia,

italy, and the u.k., urging the allies "continued cooperation with attorney general barr as the department of justice continues to investigate the origins and extent of foreign influence in the 2016 presidential election." breaking tonight from australia, prime minister scott morrison, sounding cool to that idea, saying it would be highly unusual to release diplomatic cables, though he also says there is nothing to hide. also new tonight, and another central trump administration figure under media and opposition scrutiny. that's vice president mike pen mike pence. of "the washington post" claims pentz was drawn into the president's efforts to "pressure ukraine" into investigating former vice president joe biden. but the vice president's office has this report medicate the administration, saying it shows pence to successfully deliver the message to allies, being they should step up their aid to countries like ukraine, and shannon, they also say -- point

out that u.s. military aid was eventually released. >> shannon: it was pure and much more to come. in the meantime, thank you jillian. new questions being asked tonight from the chairman of the house intelligence committee. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge tackling the big one: what did adam schiff no wait, when did he know it? catherine? >> shannon, confirmation that the whistle-blower reached out to the democrat-controlled house intelligence committee raises new questions about their motivation and potential political bias. in a statement to fox news, democratic chairman adam schif adam schiff's spokesman confirmed "the whistle-blower contacted the committee for guidance on how to report possible wrongdoing within the jurisdiction of the intelligence community." they do if elected questions on timing, whether the whistle-blower contact occurred days or weeks before the complaint was declassified, adding "at no point in the committee review or receive the complaint and advanced. chairman schiff does not know the identity of the whistle-blower, and is not met with or spoken with the whistle-blower or their counsel.

a previously scheduled news conference, the president, who got the story as it broke, unloaded on a democratic chairman. >> i give a lot of respect to "the new york times" or putting it out. just happened as i was walking up here, they handed it to me -- that's a big story. he knew long before, and he helped write it, too. it's a scam. >> earlier in the day, before the schiff-whistle-blower connection was known, the democratic chairman of the house intelligence committee and house speaker nancy pelosi said the president's own words are proof of wrongdoing. they again pointed to the transcript of his call with the ukrainian leader, where mr. trump asked zelensky to investigate alleged corruption involving joe biden and his son. speak with unworthy of the constitution of united states to do what he did not call, and he admitted to me, said it's perfect. it's not perfect, it's wrong. >> with democrats requesting more ukraine records and threatening white house subpoenas, schiff said he expects blocks. >> so we will have to decide whether to litigate, or how to litigate.

we are not fooling around here, though. >> behind closed doors in a secure facility, the state department watchdog met congressional staffers, offering what was characterized as an "urgent" briefing on ukraine. one democrat described curious documents. >> this packet of information is simply meant to advance the conspiracy theory that mueller's findings, that there was a sweeping systematic campaign by russia to interfere with our campaign, was alicia's. >> kurt volker, who resigned after his name surfaced in the whistle-blower campaign. republicans accused democrats of searching for a crime. >> they've been trying to impeach him literally from the day he was elected. and they know the transcript is not enough. >> fox news asked whistle-blowers legal team if there was a single contact or multiple. they told us our client officially filed concerns in august, adding "there was no contact between the legal team and congress until nearly a

month after the whistle-blower complaint was submitted to the intelligence community's inspector general." shannon? >> shannon: catherine herridge on the hill, thank you. we are now finding out what might have cost the democrats so much consternation, would it surprise you it was rudy giuliani? trace gallagher is on the case for us tonight, hey, trace. >> hig hi, shannon. a copy of rudy giuliani's notes back in january with during his interview -- remember, he is at the center of the ukraine controversy, the man joe biden bragged on camera about helping to get fired. according to giuliani, viktor shokin claims he was told to back off the investigation of burisma, the natural gas firm linked to hunter biden. and giuliani claims shokin was told that biden had held up u.s. aid to ukraine over the investigation. here's giuliani tonight on "hannity." watch. >> viktor shokin has told me he is more than willing to come to

america and testify before congress and point the finger at joe biden and his son. and basically support what the president said today, they are corrupt as sin. >> today, details of giuliani's interview with shokin were handed over to congress by the state department inspector general. the state department has had the documents since may. our chief white house correspondent john roberts says giuliani told him that he gave the document to the state department expecting they would be investigated, but they never were. so now, giuliani thinks the documents were given to the fbi to be investigated. democrats, meantime, slamming the information, calling it a conspiracy and propaganda. we should note that on both sides of the atlantic, viktor shokin has been widely accused of corruption. and tonight, joe biden said this. look. >> what i did in ukraine was carry out the official policy of the united states government. we weren't pressing ukraine to get rid of a tough prosecutor.

we were pursuing ukraine to replace a week prosecutor. >> giuliani said the details of the interview with shokin were gathered before joe biden announced his presidential run. shannon. >> shannon: trace, thank you very much. as house intel chairman adam schiff faces new questions about whether and when the whistle-blower reached out to him, here's a timeline of what we know about that so far. "the new york times" reports that days before the cia officer filed a formal whistle-blower report on august 12th, schiff was briefed on the issue by house intel community aides who had been approached by the whistle-blower. august 20th, schiff tweets that the president is withholding vital military aid to ukraine while his personal lawyer seeks help from the ukrainian government to investigate his political opponent, joe biden. september 9th, schiff announces an investigation and rights to the white house, demanding, among other things, he transcript of the july 25th call between president trump and

his ukrainian counterpart. again, that is th before the whistle-blower complaint and call was made public appeared later that day, september 9th, the inspector general sends a letter to schiff and others reporting that he whistle-blower complaint has been received. the letter revealed nothing regarding the substance of the complaint or who it involved. september 15th, the intel chairman implies he does not know the subject of the complaint, only that he assumes that involves the president or vice president, and at this. >> at the end of the day, if the director of national intelligence is going to undermine the whistle-blower protections, it means that people are going to end up taking the law into their own hands. and going directly to the press instead of the mechanism that congress set to protect classified information. >> shannon: september 17 interview -- television interview -- schiff says "we have not spoken directly with the whistle-blower, we would like to" you're not clear who he meant when he was the word "we." days later, lawmakers briefed on

the hill without reviewing any substance of the complaint or who would involved. after that, schiff said "we are determined to do everything we can to determine what is urgent concern is." so, before today's capitol hill briefing with state department inspector general, we were told there were reports and implications that it was going to be about retaliation against state department employees, or even evidence of some type of quid pro quo, military aid. turns out it was nothing of the sort, and some democrats sounded disappointed. they are accusing the administration of distractions and warning that any effort to stonewall could be met with subpoenas. a whole lot of developments to unpack today with house intelligence committee member, g.o.p. congressman chris stewart of utah, great happy with us tonight. >> thank you. >> shannon: there has been a lot of focus on what the intel chairman new and when he knew it. sam stein tweets this, contributes to msnbc and "the daily beast." schiff appeared to lie in, previously sang the office had

not spoken to the whistle-blower, but if you care more about the stuff in the actual substance of the whistle-blower complaint, then you are being hacked. what do you think, congressman? >> i think adam schiff has an enormous credibility problem, and made it worse today. before we talk about today, let's talk about last week. in an official hearing, he made stuff out of thin air. he just absolutely fabricated the supposed conversation. i'm surprised someone on his staff didn't go to him and say, mr. chairman, maybe it's not a good idea just to make stuff up. let's remember that for two years, he's been claiming some kind of supersecret, you know, highly classified information that only he had, apparently. said there was collusion. we now know that is not true. and we know from some of the revelations today that he clearly knew the essence of this whistle-blower complaint, and he just wasn't honest with how we answer these questions, and frankly, he should have come to the rest of the committee and discussed with us, and instead pretended he didn't know, and at the same time pretending to open this investigation that he

supposedly knew nothing about. i do think there are some questions of the chairman asked to answer, and i put forward just a couple of them tonight. >> shannon: "the new york times" reporting today, saying the democrat democ head of the house intelligence from adam schiff of california, learned about the outlines of a cia officers concerned that president trump had abused his power days before the whistle-blower complaint come august 12th, so sometime before that, but on the cover 19th, the day that the inspectot up and briefed you guys on the hill, schiff told reporters after the briefing, he still did not know the contents of the complaint, "we are determined to do everything we can to determine with this urgent concern is." doesn't does it matter that hemisrepres? should the focus be on the content of the july 25th call? >> look to him if the democrats have such an incredibly weak case for impeachment, which they clearly do, which i would like to address in just a moment, but

if that is the case, then they have to maintain the credibility and the believability of those carrying out the investigation. that is why i think this is so important. for the american people to believe the democrats as they try to make this nearly impossible case, that they want to remove the president of the united states over one sentence in one phone call, where he is asking to investigate corruption, never promised quid pro quo, didn't threaten to withhold aid, like vice president biden did, putting that aside, they say you have to remove this president. if you're going to make that argument, you have to be absolutely credible yourself. absolutely believable yourself. and i think adam schiff has lost that bid like i said, he lost it last week, he lost it years ago, in my opinion. >> shannon: how do you respond to speaker nancy pelosi, said the polls show that the american public is changing its mind? she said it was something democrats would have to do before she wanted to move forward formally with impeachment. but also, she said listen, they have to think we are doing this

with solemnity and dignity, and she said it is not just about the phone call, there is a pattern of behavior. >> yeah, look, solemnity and dignity was out the window to an half years ago, two years ago, when they started calling for the president's impeachment before he was even sworn into office. but that aside, i mean, look, ms. pelosi can make these kind of claims. we understand that. and i'm not surprised at all, either, for two or three days, there are number of americans wondering what is this? maybe this is something meaningful, something a president should be held accountable for. but when they get the chance to look at it, when they get a chance to really consider, like i said, shannon, this is one sentence in one phone call. i think those numbers are going to decline rapidly. the democrats will make a terrible mistake if they set the threshold for impeachment this low. i truly believe that if they impeach for this, we will never have a president's or his four years again. they will always do something of

this magnitude, and if this is impeachable, then good luck having any ones are four more years. elizabeth warren will be impeached for fraud for her claims of being a native american. >> shannon: oh, boy. >> joe biden would have been impeached for what he did in ukraine. it's such an impossible threshold for any democracy to survive. >> shannon: there are many more steps in the process to compute in the meantime, congressman chris stewart of the house until committee, thank you for popping in with us tonight. okay, a mysterious briefing frustrated democrats come at a whole lot of new documents there and what does rudy giuliani have to do with all of this? next. [ applause ] thank you. it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. i love you! only pay for what you need.

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♪ >> shannon: speaker nancy pelosi reportedly warning democrats to focus their impeachment inquiry on ukraine. there could be a very good reason why. >> for now, however, how

speaker pelosi says the inquiry needs to focus on ukraine. given you thought the impeachment inquiry should proceed for other reasons, is she wrong? >> no, she's right right now. to be a professor jonathan turley suggest one reason, that trump would be able to call his own witnesses during a senate trial, particularly withy dictating the rules. if the russian investigation winds up as part of an impeachment trial, then trump would be able to use these earlier disclosures to place the conduct of the obama administration under the spotlight. julian epstein and jim trustee, welcome to you both. >> good evening peered >> hey, shannon. >> shannon: what you make of that morning laid out there, if they don't confine this to ukraine, if they bring in russia and 2016 and everything else, it could be a boon for the trump defense if there was a senate trial? >> i think professor turley has

his finger on something here, and that is that we are on the brink of a huge circus. no matter what they're saying now in terms of limitations, that it will only be ukraine -- i mean, this is going to be a very different proceeding that we have ever seen before. remember, the clinton impeachment, we had a blue dress at dna and testimony, so the fact the denial of having sex. of the facts were established, the law was talking about perjury, whether they should do it or not, and with the sanctions should be, here we don't have any agreed facts. we don't have a clear violation of federal law. we are on the brink of may be a very tv friendly but crazy circus when it comes to however they proceed with this impeachment appeared impeachment. >> shannon: julian, if they peg everything on ukraine, knowing getting off on the other tangents could open up all kinds of things they may not want to have as part of the senate trial, is this ukraine phone call on july 25th, art democrats hang their hats on something that will not be enough to bring about impeachment? >> well, you sound like you are

persuaded already that we will have a trial and impeach him, i'm not convinced of that. i think the primary focus ought to be on whether the president asked a foreign government to interfere by going after his chief and likely political opponent, joe biden. if he did that, and even worse, if there was quid pro quo attached to it, and i think you can make a case that there was, but we need more facts on the table, then i think the president is in really difficult territory. if there was a cover-up involved in the white house and other staff related to that, then i think we are in deeper trouble. the white house is in for trouble. i think we have to take a deep breath and let the investigation go forward and let the facts come out, and the chips will fall where they may. in terms of whether to bring in the russian investigation, i think that has been exhausted. i don't see any reason the democrats want to bring that into it. by the same token, if the president is not going to be limited, necessarily, but with

the democrat's case is in the senate, they can bring witnesses on the president's team will bring in russia if they want to come regardless of whether or not it is in the democratic articles of impeachment. i think it's an academic discussion. >> shannon: at this point, yes, there are a number of investigations, subpoenas, calls for depositions, all kinds of things going on, but nancy pelosi, the speaker, keeps getting pushed on whether or not this is an official impeachment inquiry. here's what she said. >> have you taken off the table, or do you plan for a full house vote of an impeachment inquiry? >> there is no requirement that there be a floor vote, that is not anything that is excluded. and by the way, some republicans are very nervous about bringing that vote to the floor. >> shannon: okay, the ranking member on house foreign affairs of said this, there is not a house of representatives impeachment inquiry. official impeachment inquiries are initiated by the adoption of the house resolution. there have been no such votes in this congress. i will give you both a chance to respond to that, starting with you, jim.

>> i actually think this is mostly semantics. you go back, jerry nadler's committee has been digging up everything they could about trump from the beginning, when they got an office, this is what we're going to do, we're going to investigate, they put michael cohen on the stand, and this almost feels like an unbroken chain of the same events. i'm not sure that anyone can say with a straight face that schiff is being an honest broker of evidence, that he is being a prosecutor as opposed to a politician. so who knows where this is going to go? i don't think the republicans are particularly afraid of the senate removing the president, but i think it will be an interesting circus for a while as we see how far they go with the ukrainian call, which doesn't establish a federal crime. >> shannon: charlie kirk says there are shades of justice kavanaugh in this. he treats this, "schiff was in on this from the beginning, just like dr. ford and dianne feinstein, they knew about it and held it, time to remove schiff and stop the hoax." julian, i will go to you.

>> i think this is how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? i think all of these issues are secondary. the whistle-blower's complaint is secondary peered the white house has put out at least an edited version of the transcript. the question is whether or not the president asked a foreign government to interfere and whether there were conditions attached. >> shannon: we have to leave it there. julian and jim, thank you for your expertise. the verdict is in. a former dallas police officer sentenced to ten years for killing her neighbor, the stunning moment the victim's brother reach out to the ex-cop, leaving the courtroom in tears. that's next. motor? nope. not motor? it's pronounced "motaur."

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>> shannon: an emotional reaction from the murder victim's brother in court today piriformis dallas police officer amber guyger sentenced to ten years in prison for killing her neighbor in his apartment, which she says she mistook for her own. she could have been sentenced to life in prison, prosecutors were asked for 25 years, which is how old the victim would have been if he were still alive. ♪ counting down to 2020, democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders tweeting he feels good after a heart procedure for a blocked artery. correspondent peter doocy has the latest on sanders from las vegas. >> something bernie sanders almost never does at campaign events: sit down. so there were signs that something was not right last night. >> do me a favor? at me a chair up here, it's been a long day, you know. that chair works. >> sanders expensed chest

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>> shannon: planned parenthood is set to open its newest abortion clinic tonight, and 18,000 square-foot facility secretly erected in southern illinois, equipped to provide services for up to 11,000 patients annually. leland vittert here to tell us how this came about. >> shannon, it's notable, as you point out about this clinic, not that it exists, but where, why, and that was built in secret, under the code name "project alaska," named alaska, but built in southern illinois. less than a 20 minute drive from st. louis, planned parenthood's nenewest clinic. cbs news had a tour of the

facility that will accommodate 11,000 patients a year. >> the truth is our patients want easier access, any 13-mile drive from our st. louis clinic to the illinois clinic is an opportunity for them to get the care with less judgment, less restriction, and less hoops to jump through. >> missouri is home to some of the most restrictive abortion laws, that require counseling and multiple visits there that's not the case across the mississippi river, where the laws are among the countries most liberal. >> it's a travesty that this is happening in our state, a travesty that women come here to get an abortion. >> a number of states have increasingly restrictive abortion laws, and even outright bands that they have passed to challenge the roe v. wade decision, and while none of us have taken effect, this new clinic's location provides the closest access for many women from those states, if the bans to take effect. the clinic's opening comes at a time when abortion nationally is at an all-time low.

>> shannon: all right, leland vittert, thank you for digging into that. we appreciate that. planned parenthood said secrecy was the only way to get this project done because of attacks on abortion access. so let's discuss. leslie marshall and founder and president of live action, lila rose. welcome to you both. >> hi, shannon. >> thanks, shannon. >> shannon: a quote from the chief medical officer of planned parenthood says we were thoughtful about making sure we were able to complete this project as expeditiously as possible because we saw the writing on the wall, patients need access, so we decided to get open as quickly as we could. essentially, access was under threat, and they thought that people would give them a hard time about trying to build the facility. apparently some people working on it didn't even know what they were building, but they said they had to do it because of the threat to access. >> this is not about helping women. this is about something more abortions. illinois, the recent abortion

law that passed is worse than new york. abortion is legal on babies of their nine months of pregnancy, fully viable babies in the state of illinois, and planned parenthood wants to capitalize on that, that is why they are building a mega facility, to commit as many abortions as possible and profit off the pain of women. and quite frankly, according to their own annual report, that is their bottom line and what they're trying to increase, and they've increased their abortion numbers in the last ten years. they are now 40% -- nearly 40% of the nation's abortions. their priority is not abortion, not women, profiting off of abortion. >> shannon: leslie, a pro-life activist with this "if you have to hide what you are doing, maybe you shouldn't be doing it, that is what my mom used to say, at least." what do you make of the secrecy? >> well, i think they had to. there is not only been an attack with legislation. i mean, we have certain-leasing threats over the years, and certainly violence toward physicians and workers at these clinics, even though the

majority of what planned parenthood and the other clinics do for women is not abortion, but provides other services, as well. i've always said, shannon, if the states are going to be very strict and make it more difficult and keep closing facilities, they are just going to be built and crop up in other states. what has happened here has proved me right, people will cross state lines to get the care they need, and remember, in very large minority populations, rural populations, lower income populations, these clinics are essential for women's health services that have nothing to do with abortion, for women that are looking for birth control, for women who are looking for breath exams, or for women who are looking for prenatal education. >> lila, you sounded like he wanted to respond, but let me read something quickly from "usa today," reporting on this clinic being under construction. support the legal abortion has reached its highest level in more than two decades, according

to a news poll, 60% say abortion should be legal in most oral cases. >> actually, the majority of americans want abortion restriction, and that is not what planned parenthood supports, they are profiting off of these abortions, and the reason they did this in secret in illinois is because they know that most americans don't want anything to do with the abortion industry. they don't want state abortion centers in their communities, near their schools and homes. they don't want women to come in and be offered no options, which is what happens at planned parenthood, they are not providing prenatal care, adoption support, or parenting classes, even though they're called planned parenthood. they are committing abortions, and the numbers up on a per abortions over the last ten years, but the cancer screenings, breast cancer services, many breast exam services have declined dramatically. the even recently fired their

ceo, dr. leana wen, because she wasn't pro-abortion enough. she wanted to instead focus on health care. the first doctor being their ceo in dozens of years. it's very clear that planned parenthood's priority is not women's health care, it's abortion, it is taking the lives of innocent, preborn children, who deserve to be loved and cherished, and their mothers need to be supported and offered real options, but that is not what is happening here, and that is why they did this in secret. americans do not want to be part of this or supporting it in their communities. >> shannon: leslie, final word. >> i'm sorry, that's not true. what shannon states is accurate regarding what you are talking about, lila -- >> they want abortion restrictions, the majority of americans want restrictions. not in illinois, no restrictions. >> i would like to have my time, as well. the majority, even of democrats, do not favor late-term abortions, third trimester abortions, but that is not what the majority of abortions by planned parenthood r. planned parenthood is not

holding a gun to these women's heads, they willfully go to a clinic such as planned parenthood, who choose to have an abortion, so does not not like planned parenthood is advertising -- >> they are not given other options -- >> trying to hold them responsible for a division these patients are making on their own. >> shannon: we have to leave it there, but leslie and lila, we appreciate you coming into weigh in on this hot topic. they shall recognition technology, a member of the squad says nonafrican-americans shouldn't use the technology because they think blacks all look alike but how does detroit police chief respond to that comment by congresswoman's rashida tlaib? he joins us next. let's be honest, you need insurance.

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>> shannon: democratic lawmaker from michigan says only black people should be able to run law enforcement facial recognition software. she says because nonblacks think that all african-americans look alike. that is coming from congresswoman rashida tlaib during a tour given to her by detroit police chief, who is black. senior correspondent mike tobin has details tonight. >> the african-american -- >> getting briefed on the facial recognition technology in detroit's real-time crime center, representative rashida tlaib took police chief james craig that problem with te people think blacks all look alike. >> i think nonafrican-americans

think everyone looks the same. i've seen people calling elijah cummings john lewis and john lewis elijah cummings, and they're totally different people. >> the chief shot back, saying his staff is trained professionals. >> i trust people who are trained. we always embrace, regardless of. >> the invitation for the tour was prompted by a twitter job in august, you should rethink this facial recognition bowl. he said he is concerned about misidentification on the right of the accused come but also concerned about the victims and their family, and admitted the technology isn't perfect. >> studies have shown the software that exists today were more likely misidentify persons of color. we understand that, and we don't take that lightly. >> that is what he said his analysts go through rigorous training. >> are you saying white people

are not qualified? >> i think there is a study about how it is hard for, you know, african-americans, identifying african-americans, or latino, same thing. >> the way it is used, facial recognition doesn't necessarily create evidence that would be used to commit to someone, and measures things like the distance between your eyes or cheekbones, and doesn't work like a thumbprint wood. it creates a statistical likelihood that a guy police are already looking for a walk in front of a camera at a known location. shannon, back to you. to be on mike tobin, thank you very much. as detroit forces ahead, places like san francisco and oakland are banning facial recognition technology. i'm an attorney with the american civil liberties union told fox news that facial recognition technology could be used by the government to identify people who "attend protests, political rallies, church, or aa meetings." and that is something that should not be happening in the back room of a police station." so, potentially ground breaking technology meets the resistance.

let's go to the source of the latest controversy involving the congresswoman, we'll bring in the detroit police chief himse himself, james craig they're cheap, great to have you with us tonight. >> great to be here, shannon. >> shannon: let's go back to where this began, a tweet from the congresswoman where she referred to the detroit police and that you should probably rethink this whole facial recognition b.s. he extended her an invitation, and that resulted in today. were you surprised by her comments today? >> not necessarily. certainly, you know, we wanted to bring her in, despite the insensitive description of our use of the technology, but we wanted to educate, like we have done so many community members. we understand there are a lot of issues and a lot of concerns, and so it we invited the congresswoman in. she came in, but certainly, as you view the video, you can see that she just really was against it. and so, the issues and the

concerns she had, primarily have to do with misidentification. we talked about the rigors we have in place. so that we don't misidentify. in fact, we haven't misidentified. so i thought that would change her mind, in some sense, but then she went on another path, we have something called green light detroit, like many cities, and some mince information is being placed out there that had to do with we had facial recognition and cameras, both traffic, green light cameras, and then it was this georgetown article that really started the hysteria, because it talked about our green light cameras and inferred that, you know what? we are using facial recognition on patients. totally false. >> shannon: you know the concerns and have heard them. a couple of days ago, not only was this a concern with the possibility of ms. identifying and leading to wrongful

convictions, it could be used for constant surveillance of the public. you have acknowledge their limitations or concerns, what are your concerns, and how are you remediating those? >> we know there are concerns with misidentification. we recognize that. we use a real, example of a person involved in a shooting. we go through with a methodical process, that our analysts go through, as it was indicated, well-trained, professionals, very diverse group, that go through the rigor of making a potential identification. so this shooter, the technology identified 178 possible matches. and so what does that say? you rely solely on the software, it's going to misidentify. so it's not the software, it's an aide, it's really the analyst, and once that one analyst goes through the rigor

of making a potential identification, it is than peer-reviewed, and once that peer review analyst says i concur, it then has to go to a supervisor. so there's a lot of rigor attached to it, and in fact, so much so that our police commission voted to come a majority, to support our use of the technology. >> shannon: the congresswoman remains unconvinced, a lot of questions of civil liberty issues that people have, but detroit police chief james craig, thanks for coming to tell us your side of the story, thank you to the men and women serving on the line. >> i appreciate it. >> shannon: check out this nail-biting footage, coast guard aircrew rescuing two hikers, one of them suffering from an ankle injury, and two dogs from an alaskan mountain. do all the emergency responders involved in this operation, that he dropped the basket down, get him in a helicopter into a hospital, all of you involved in this, you are our midnight

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