raleigh/durham. >> a great thing. find out more on fox nation on the "after the show show". download the app. great job. brian, congratulations, purple heart foundation. >> bill: good morning, everybody. new this hour, president trump any moment about to head out from the white house to dayton and el paso, texas. there he will grieve with those who live there and the rest of the nation after two stunning stunning shootings leaving 34 people dead. i'm bill hemmer. we've reached the midway point for this week. already feels like a long one, right? >> sandra: good morning everyone. i'm sandra smith. the president along with the first lady will be meeting with local officials, first responders and survivors across both cities today. while the tone of his trip will be somber, that is not stopping democrats from continuing to slam the president and questioning whether he should be there at all.

>> the other thing i heard, chris, totally unsolicited from victims still in the hospital as they grab my arm and tell him not to come here. >> i've seen democrats on air saying he is responsible for this. his rhetoric is responsible for this shooting. is responsible for these deaths, this murder. that's a dangerous place to take this country. >> i think they fell short. i don't know. >> hate has no partisan alliances and we've seen mass murders with people on the left or right. i think everyone in the political arena needs to just ratchet down the rhetoric. >> they politicized this over the weekend. they all blamed him. this has to stop. everybody needs to stop preening in front of the cameras and stop raising money. >> bill: coverage from every angle this hour. james freeman has analysis and the politics at play.

jeff paul reports live in el paso. let's start in dayton, ohio back in mike tobin on the ground today. good morning. >> good morning. i can tell you the f.b.i. is point in the investigation to the mass shooting here. once federal agents or investigators determine violent ideologies were part of the motivation. dayton police will still be handling the nine homicide investigations. with the evidence examined the agent in charge says nothing points to racism as a motivating factor here in dayton, ohio. meantime demonstrators are gathering in dayton in advance of the visit of president trump. dayton mayor says she is no fan of the president. no fan of the things he has said. still she will take a meeting with president trump when he comes today to see if she can help and also embrace those who oppose the president's visit.

>> he has made this bed and he has to lie in it. his rhetoric has been painful for many in our community and i think the people should stand up and say they're not happy if they aren't happy that he is coming. >> the parents of the gunman and the parents of meghan betts, one of the first people killed out here released a statement yesterday expressing their grief and sorrow. they also thanked the first responders and that was about all we heard from the family involved in this horrible tragedy, bill. >> bill: we'll be back with you throughout the morning and the day there. mike tobin in dayton, ohio leading coverage today. >> sandra: from ohio president trump will fly to el paso, texas, later in the day where lawmakers are already flashing with the president especially beto o'rourke. here is some of their exchange. >> he is embarrassed by my last visit to the state of texas and

even more embarrassed by polling at 1% should respect victims and law enforcement and be quiet. o'rourke responds, 22 people in my hometown are dead after an act of terror inspired by your racism. el paso will not be quiet and neither will i. jeff paul is live in el paso with what people on the ground are seeing and feeling today, jeff. good morning. >> sandra, in this community here in el paso bracing itself for a visit from the president all while still trying to honor the lives of the 22 people who were murdered in this domestic terrorism attack. you can see the memorial out here continues to draw a crowd and it continues to grow. it gives us a glimpse into the grieving that's still going on and because of that, some in this community say a visit from the president might not be helpful. the city has opened up a healing center a day ahead of the president's visit and hearing about a planned protest scheduled to start just before

the president arrives. >> i think it's too soon right now. the hurt is still open. the wound is still there. and i think it will take a little time. >> i know there is a lot of people that probably don't want him around or what not but i think as a community we have to show the respect that everyone deserves. >> he should take more time before he comes out here and tries to talk to us. we are still a city very much in pain, very much hurting. >> el paso people we spoke with say regardless how they feel about the president's visit they hope the focus can be on the 22 who died, not the politics. so many stories involving these people including jordan and andre, another one who died protecting an infant son. the youngest victim 15 years old, only a sophomore in high school was shopping at the

wal-mart with his uncle when the gunfire erupted. javier died but his uncle survived. >> i'm in pain. it hurts. but -- i feel grateful for my own life. he had the chance to kill me but he didn't. >> we're learning a few new details how authorities arrested the suspected shooter. el paso police spokesperson said the suspect was driving a honda civic when he stopped, got out with hands raised and surrendered himself to a motorcycle officer. we know that a public defender has been appointed to this suspected shooter and we also know in addition to the capital murd charges he faces right now and being held on he could face federal hate crime charges as well. >> sandra: jeff paul from el

paso this morning. jeff, thanks. >> bill: a lot of angles on this story. many. james freeman, assistant editor for the "wall street journal." good morning to you. i want to start with democratic congressman joaquin castro from texas sent out a tweet calling out anyone in his district who has donated to the trump campaign. the tweet. sad to see so many san antonioian as donors to donald trump. the owner of blank, realtor blank, etc. their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels hispanic immigrants as invaders. what do you think of that, james? >> really irresponsible. consistent with the irresponsible message from former congressman o'rourke trying to blame the president or his supporters for this violence. by their logic is mr. o'rourke

blaming elizabeth warren or bernie sanders for the dayton shooter? no one should be blaming anyone for the action of third parties. the joaquin castro tweet is particularly troubling as my colleague pointed out these transparency laws were created to allow the voter to know who is funding a campaign as an anti-corruption measure the make sure politicians aren't doing the bidding of their donors to make judgments on that. it is not to out them as an alleged funders of hate, which is a completely irresponsible -- >> bill: he hasn't backed down and taken the tweet down. trump campaign responded saying at the very least castro for congress is inviting harassment of these private citizens and at worse -- he is listing people and employers. this is a target list. about 15 minutes ago the congressman was on msnbc, asked about this and defended it the following way a moment ago.

>> i don't want anybody harassed or targeted. >> they will be because you put their names in public. >> look. that was not my intention. >> that's what will happen. >> these things are public. what i would like for them to do is think twice about supporting a guy who is fueling hate in this country. what i'm asking for is for people who are making contributions to that effort to think twice about it and i'm directly asking the president to stop spending money on campaign ads that target an entire community and inspire shooters like the one in el paso to go do what he did. >> bill: is that a fair defense? >> completely unfair. we can debate what his intentions were. this effort to blame politicians because a shooter has some common views with them is only applied to people that fit the narrative. again we're not seeing the blame of people on the left

tied to the dayton shooter or the hodgkinson, alexandria shooter of a few years ago. you shouldn't be blaming people for these actions of sick individuals. the common thread is not political ideology, it is psychosis. >> bill: "new york post" cover. crazy has no party. this is the dayton killer. and the sub headline for that "new york post" headline, dayton terrorist was far left antifa supporter. it will pop up in a moment. give the post cover to show viewers at home. your newspaper, the "wall street journal." flagging future killers from the editorial board. i find two significant lines here. number one, most -- there is the "new york post" cover. most mass shooters obtained their guns through licensed dealers or family members. most mass shooters don't have a

criminal history that would pop up in the background system. given that, and the laws that are on the books, this is entirely vexing. >> i would say the good news is while there is often not a criminal background there often is a history of psychological illness or red flags suggesting that, that could have been seen earlier. i think that's where there is the possibility for common ground here. the president talked about this in his remarks at the white house. he was immediately attacked by people on left for not embracing their gun control solutions. that effort to investigate how do you identify people with mental illness? how do you keep them away from firearms maintaining due process, but if necessary even reviewing commitment laws. if a judge based on reasonable

evidence decides that someone is not fit to have a firearm, i think that's something to be explored. >> bill: thank you, james. waiting on the white house, waiting on the president. we understand he hasn't left the white house yet. when that happens if he takes questions we'll share it with viewers, james freeman, "wall street journal." >> sandra: we'll be talking to the man who will be greeting president trump when he arrives in texas. el paso mayor dee margo joining us. we'll hear from kellyanne conway at 10:30 a.m. that we'll hear from here. as far as the mayor of el paso trying to bring a city together, bill. he shared his thoughts and less than thrilled about the visit from the president but he will be greeting the president when he arrives on the ground there talking about bringing the city together and his words immediately following the

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we are deploying around iran. they have two choices. one to engage in military action. they can't do that. two is to threaten us so the opposition could say the administration is not doing the right policy and taking us to war. >> bill: here is his statement. if the u.s. really wants to talk they should lift all sanctions before anything else. it is up to them to return to the nuclear deal or not. we do not mind. they have to lift all sanctions so that they are no longer criminals against human rights. we will not negotiate with criminals. can we talk to a murderer? they have to stop their crimes. i don't see the sanctions going anywhere, walid. >> i don't see it, either. basically we put those sanctions because of something has happened which is iran is arming and super arming buying missiles, intervening in four arab countries and threatening us in the region. the iranian regime will have to

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>> bill: producers at the white house, the president still talking. 10 minutes at least. you'll see the play-out in a moment here. part of the comments he made. i don't blame elizabeth warren or bernie sanders, i blame the sick, mentally ill and mentally disturbed people. the other day, sandra, he mentioned in a tweet he would support background checks. he didn't say it by word in front of the microphone an hour later but apparently he has repeated that a moment ago with regard to background checks and the fact he would favor that. >> sandra: he said that there is a political appetite for background checks. democrats and republicans getting close to something on background checks. so this is a rough translate that we're getting from the president's words. it appears that he has brought

that up several times now in his answering of questions from reporters. >> bill: as we watch the reaction across the country keep your eye on the state of ohio. mike dewine is the republican governor and put out 17 proposals, part of which includes a lot of the discussions we've had here. republican-run state. we'll see what they do in the buckeye state. it rang to close to home in dayton, ohio. when the governor showed up and everybody in the audience shouted do something. he admitted it had an impact. the proposals are out there. >> sandra: red flag proposal and the republican governor there. more from the president here talking about the appetite for background checks. that certainly will be news coming out of the president's words as he departs the white house. he is heading to el paso along with the first lady and to dayton, ohio today. when asked why leaving the white house a few moments ago he said i will go to pay my respects. this is an opportunity to congratulate police and law enforcement. the job that they have done is

incredible. someone i know who will agree with that is mayor -- the mayor of el paso, dee margo joining us now. thank you for being here. >> good morning. >> sandra: how are the people of your community doing this morning? >> we're surviving th. is not going to define us. we're pretty resilient. i know people will refer to this from an historical perspective but i hope it's an -- it will not define us. we're a special community people don't fully grasp. >> sandra: we see pictures of the vigil held sunday after the horrific event played out. you said no one could have possibly prepared for it. you are now anticipating the president's arrival there. what do you expect from the president today when he arrives? >> well, i don't know really what to expect.

i think it's incumbent upon him to be here. criticism either way. i'm fulfilling my office at the mayor of el paso for all of us. people have mixed feelings about the president coming. but he holds the office of the president of the united states and we will need help in order to meet the needs of this community from a healing standpoint as well as probably financial resources to support us for what we've been undergoing. >> sandra: what sort of help is that that you believe you'll need and that you'll talk about with the president when he arrives there? >> well, haven't codified a list in my own mind. we spend lots of dollars in security through our police department and first responders, emergency shelters, those type of things. so it's just -- we'll quantify it. i'll be happy to visit with him and talk about what is unique about our region that goes back

350 years. we've been here 100 years before the united states was ever formed. i don't think people fully understand that. we're a region of 2 1/2 million people. commerce and families on both sides. it's unique. there is no other place in north america like our region. you can look south and you can't see where the u.s. ends and mexico begins. >> sandra: we see el paso over the weekend after this all played out. some of this video is during that was all happening and you see the first responders and police on the scene. the president says he wants to first and foremost thank them for their efforts in all of this but you look back and that was a day where so many of these victims and their families. they had arrived just to go shopping that day and carry on with their everyday lives and this happened. no one could have expected this. and this is harmful to -- go

ahead, mayor. >> this evil that perpetrated this horrendous killings came from out of town. he did not come from el paso. i am convinced he would not have come from our region at all. that's not what we're about. we will come together. this will not define us. that morning, saturday morning people were preparing for back to school shopping. it was a normal day. people have asked me if i was surprised there were mexican nationals in wal-mart. no. that's what we are. one region back and forth. i'm not sure any of the real healing will start until we finish the 22 funerals. >> sandra: that is going to be just absolutely devastating for so many. i know that you plan on attending those funerals. what update can you give us now on the investigation?

>> all i've heard from our chief of police he has been very cooperative. basically telling them everything. his manifesto is a real indictment to begin with of hate crimes and white supremacy. texas will seek the capital murder, if convicted be subject potentially to execution. if they do hate crimes on the federal side it also has the potential for that. but i want to see him prosecuted to the full extent. >> sandra: hard to believe how political it has become with some choosing to blame the president in some cases but there is a blame game happening and it has gotten have political. do you care to respond to what you've heard that's currently out there, mayor? >> i've been trying to avoid politicizing any part of this. i don't think it's proper for

the families and it's not reflective of our community. at our vigil sunday night the mantra was we will confront hate with love. i'm just trying to carry that forward. i understand people running for political office but that's not what we're about today and i represent all of el paso as we meet with the president. >> sandra: he is departing the white house now. dee margo, the mayor of el paso. thank you for coming on with us this morning. the best to your community. >> bill: the president has wrapped up the question and answer on the south lawn of the white house. you'll see it in a matter of moments. takes us a few moments to get it loaded in the system. get a commercial break for the moment. he said a lot about a lot of different angles by el paso and dayton. we'll have this for you as our coverage continues right after this. can my side be firm?

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moments ago. >> president trump: we're going to dayton first and then we're going to el paso. and we'll be meeting with first responders, law enforcement, some of the victims and paying my respects and regards. i'll be going with the first lady and it's a terrific opportunity really to congratulate some of the police and law enforcement, the job they've done was incredible. really incredible. >> [inaudible question] it's a difficult time in our country for all of us. what do you say to your critics that believe that your rhetoric that is emboldening white nationalists and inspiring this angle? >> my critics are political people trying to make points. in many cases they're running for president and low in the polls. a couple of them in particular very low in the polls.

if you look at dayton, that was a person that supported, i guess you would say bernie sanders, i understood, antifa i understood, elizabeth warren, i understood. had nothing to do with president trump. so these are people that are looking for political gain. i don't think they're getting it. as much as possible i've tried to stay out of that. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i do agree. i think we have toned it down. we've been getting hit left and right from everybody. many of the people i don't know. a couple of people from texas, political people from texas that aren't doing very well. i guess somebody said the mayor. i had one very nice conversation with the mayor of dayton. could not have been nicer. and then she goes and says i

tried to call -- i spoke to her and i didn't receive any call. they are trying to make political points. i don't think it worked because, you know, i would like to stay out of the political fray. as i was saying and just came out, the dayton situation, he was a fan of antifa, a fan of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. nothing to do with trump. nobody ever mentions that. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i don't blame elizabeth warren and i don't blame bernie sanders in the case of ohio. and i don't blame anybody. i blame -- these are sick people. these are people that are really mentally ill and mentally disturbed. it is a mental problem. we'll be meeting with members of congress. i've already got meetings scheduled and i have had plenty of talks over the last two days.

i think something will come up -- we'll come up with something that is going to be really very good. beyond anything that has been done so far. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: we're going to see where we are. we're dealing with leadership right now. you have two sides very different on this issue. let's say all good people but two sides that are very different. if we get close i'll bring them back. we have to see where we are with leadership. normally this has been really a decision, congress gets together and try and do something. if you look over the last 30 years not a lot has been done. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i'm looking to do background checks. i think background checks are important. i don't want to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable

people or people with rage or hate, sick people. i'm all in favor of it. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: well, i can tell you there is no political appetite for that at this moment. you could speak and do your own polling and there is no political appetite from the standpoint of legislature but i will certainly bring that up. i'll bring that up as one of the points. there is a great appetite and a very strong appetite for background checks. i think we can bring up background checks like we've never had before. i think both republican and democrat are getting close to a bill on doing something with background checks. >> [inaudible question]

>> president trump: south korea and i have made a deal. they've agreed to pay a lot more money toward the united states. as you know, we have 32,000 soldiers on south korean soil. and we've been helping them for 82 years. and we get nothing. we get virtually nothing. south korea and i have made a deal where they are paying a lot more money or will pay a lot more money. the relationship is a very good one. i felt all along, for years it was a very unfair one. so they've agreed to pay a lot more and they will agree to pay a lot more than that. we're with them. we're with them. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: so you have to have a political appetite within congress. so far i have not seen that. i can only do what i can do. i think there is a great

appetite to do something with regard to making sure that mentally unstable, seriously ill people aren't carrying guns. i've never seen the appetite as strong as it is now. i have not seen it with regard to certain types of weapons. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i am concerned about the rise of any group of hate. i don't like it. any group of hate, whether it's white supremacy, or any other kind of supremacy, whether it's antifa, whether it's any group of hate, i am very concerned about it and i'll do something about it. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i don't think my rhetoric has at all. i think my rhetoric brings people together. our country is doing incredibly

well, china is not doing well. if you look at the trade situation, china just admitted yesterday that they've been a currency manipulator. first time they've ever been called out. companies are moving out of china by the thousands and our country is doing well. we'll see how it works out. somebody had to do it with china. they were taking hundreds of billions of dollars out of the united states. somebody had to make a stand. i think our country is doing really well. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i think the market react as anticipated and i would have anticipated. i would have maybe anticipated even more. ultimately it will go much higher than it ever would have gone because china was like an anchor on us. china was killing us with unfair trade deals. the people that allowed that to happen are a disgrace. china, what they were doing to

us for years and years, taking hundreds of billions of dollars out, stealing intellectual property, targeting our farmers, all of that is ending and they understand that. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i'll be convincing some people to do things that they don't want to do. that means people in congress. but you get a lot of people on one side and a lot of people on the other. but i have a lot of influence with a lot of people and i want to convince them to do the right thing. and i will tell you, we've made a lot of headway in the last three days. a lot of headway. >> [inaudible question] >> you and the shooter in el paso used the same language. do you regret that? >> president trump: you are talking about illegal immigration, yes? i think illegal immigration is a terrible thing for this country. i think you have to come in

legally. ideally you have to come in through merit. we need people coming in. we have many companies coming into our country. i think illegal immigration is a very bad thing for our country. opens borders are a very bad thing for our country and we're building a wall right now. we won the lawsuit in the supreme court two weeks ago. the wall is being built at a rapid pace. we need that. we need strong immigration laws. but we want to allow millions of people to come in because we need them. we have companies coming in from japan, all over europe, all over asia. they're opening up companies here. they need people to work. we have a very low unemployment rate. so i believe we have to have legal immigration, not illegal immigration. >> [inaudible question] >> president trump: i am. i think the market reaction is to be expected.

i might have expected even more. at some point as i just said we have to take on china. they've been taking -- look, they've been taking us to the cleaners for 25 years. this should have been done long before me as a president. you know the story better than anybody and you know it better than i do, frankly. hundreds of billions a year taken out of our country. stealing intellectual property. you know what? we right now are sitting on top and have money pouring in and have powerful, strong companies. china is losing -- they're losing thousands and thousands of companies are leaving china now because of the tariffs. and we're in a very good position as to whether or not a deal will be made, i will tell you this, china would like to make a deal very badly. >> [inaudible question] joe biden says you have more in common with george wallace than

george washington >> president trump: show is a pretty incompetent guys. i've watched his interviews and what he said and how he said it. i wouldn't have rated him very high in the first place. joe biden has lost his fastball, that i can tell you. thank you. >> bill: quite a bit there in the past 11 minutes. the president heading off to dayton, ohio first and then el paso, texas second. a lot here. my critics are political people as he gets ready to meet with first responders and others. some of the victims in ohio. they're trying to make points. talked about the dayton shooter being a fan of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and antifa. i don't blame bernie or warren. that's more on the politics of it. with regard to congress. some of it was intriguing. asked if he would bring congress back from the august recess. we're in discussion with the leadership. if we get close i'll bring them back. background checks is something he could support and we're starting to see in various parts of the country support

for that like the republican governor mike dewine in ohio. with regard to assault weapons. no political appetite for that at the moment. got into china and we'll get into it in a moment as we watch the markets. he is talking about the trip today and the president. >> sandra: background checks on multiple occasions, he said i'm looking to do background checks. don't want to put guns in the hands of sick people with hate. assault rifles. i don't believe there is political appetite for that but there is appetite for background checks. the president is making his way to ohio and texas for the day along with the first lady. james freeman joining us from the "wall street journal." you were listening on there with us as the president makes his way to go visit with first responders, victims, family members, important day for the country as we look on at the president departing there. >> i think it was nice he mentioned the really lightning

quick response of the police to these tragedies. also he did not -- he resisted the urge to blame political opponents for the motivations of the shooter who along with having very -- being disturbed had a political leaning to the left. good for the president. i would hope that his opponents running for president on the democratic side would stop blaming him for shootings that he had nothing to do with. so i think he struck a tone that perhaps will be emulated by others. let's hope so. >> bill: what do you think is happening in the halls of congress right now? you have an august recess, james. where do you think that momentum is headed at the moment? >> i don't know if there is a lot of momentum. the president talked monday one area where there has been bipartisan cooperation is strengthening the federal

background check system. you could have progress there. in terms of a large deal on this question, it's nowhere close but i hope he maintains this focus on mental illness, which is the commonality and that pursuit with due process of a way to make sure that mentally ill people do not get their hands on weapons. as you mentioned, there is often not a criminal history. so there is a limit to what a background check could do to prevent this type of massacre. >> bill: going after big data, social media. so much is in the mix and you wonder what the right equation is that would be effective. >> along with the mental illness question you have the balancing of the rights of the individual, the expectation of privacy. but there is a lot that big data can tell us about people who are drawn or fascinated by

violence. we have this question on -- when we talk about terrorists from al qaeda or what not. and we like law enforcement to be able to examine public data. we like them to be able to see what information can be used to connect dots. it is possible again with constitutional protections that there might be more of a role for data in finding shooters before they strike in this context and my colleague has a nice piece in the "wall street journal" today if you want to learn more. >> bill: james freeman. two great pieces. your colleague jenkins, flagging future killers to our viewers at home. check it out from the "wall street journal" editorial board. thank you. back to sandra for other breaking news. >> sandra: here is a fox news alert on the dow. you've been watching in the corner of your screen. out of the gate this morning the dow falling at its lowest of the session down 542 after a

rough week on wall street. the dow is at 25,483. art laffer is the former economic advisor to former president reagan. art, concern about trade and a deal with china getting done. we heard from the president. asked about the markets decline. he says china wants to do a deal. there is concern that won't happen. also concern about interest rates. what is leading to this sell-off right now, art? >> i think real sell-off is all china. my guess is if we were able to do a deal with china, a good one. a fine and fair one and correct, i think that would be 6,000, 7,000 points on the dow right off the bat from here. china is a very major issue. trade wars are enormous killers of prosperity. if you look at what happened to the market in the tariff of the 1930s, the stock market was down over 90%. when i was in the white house from 1970 to 72 when we had the

camp david protectionist nixon, the market was down over 50%. trade is a huge killer of prosperity and it is also a very big killer of the stock market and i really hope to all hope that the president and his advisors can get a good deal with china. they need one and we need one. >> bill: it appears that these -- we're at loggerheads right now. now, in the past, you would see a lot of presidents go ahead and do a deal and then sell it to the american people and things would smooth out again. that is not where this president is. and he has shown in the past several weeks that he is willing to take this fight a long way. what's changed in that time is how beijing has reacted. so as we swirl around the drain here, art, where is the bottom? how much longer does it go? what is our way out? >> i don't like the analogy of

swirling around the drain although you might be right with that, bill. but looking at this, this is the same thing reagan did in the 1980s. we never got the nafta deal we wanted so badly and would have been good. i think china is the problem currently. china is the one that's causing all these problems. they've agreed to things and then they renegeed. it happens in negotiations. they go back and look and don't like what they agreed to. if he can do a deal it would be really helpful. i believe we're going to have a daoe. i really think we do. if we do it will be the biggest coup of all time and several issues we've put as important that i think are all that important but the -- some of the issues are very, very important. intellectual property. we have to have that. >> sandra: timing will be everything. whether or not the deal gets done before the next election, after the next election. we have the white house coming up. kellyanne conway we'll ask her. the words of the president a

few moments ago. he was asked about the stock market decline. he said china wants to get a deal done. when asked about the sell-off you see on your screen. the big board down 530. he says the market reaction is anticipated. art, you don't have to look far. wall street economists predicting a possible recession based on indicators that are out there like the yield on the 10-year treasury. it has -- the decline has picked up steam. are you concerned about some of these market indicators that are catching the eye of these wall street analysts who are putting big warnings out there about the market? >> let me put the 10-year treasury. of course i'm worried about it. when you look at the rest of the world, they're going through hell right now, sandra. it is a problem for those other countries. we are the only bright light in the pack. when you look at interest rates in the u.s. they reflect world conditions as well as u.s. conditions. that's happening. as long as we stay firm and solid with our tax cuts, sound

monetary policy and low regulation and freer trade, if we can get that, we'll do just fine. if we give up on some of these, then the problems will hit the u.s. substantially and the markets are worried and they should be. a very tenuous time. >> sandra: interest rates some say we need to see three more cuts this year alone to avoid a further sell-off. we have to leave it there. a lot of breaking news this morning. appreciate your time this morning. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> bill: thank you, art. in a moment we're waiting for the president to arrive in dayton, ohio. about an hour and 15 minute flight. we'll hear from the state's lieutenant governor john cusick in a moment. kellyan conway coming up. so much more coming up. we'll get to all that at the top of the hour when we come back. >> president trump: we've been getting hit left and right from everybody.

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democrats continue to criticize him ahead of this current trip. >> sandra: moments ago the president making it very clear he is looking for change when it comes to gun laws in this country. >> president trump: i'm looking to do background checks. i think background checks are important. i don't want to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people or people with rage or hate. sick people. i'm all in favor of it. >> bill: so that from a moment ago. john roberts joins us now, chief white house correspondent from the north lawn. we begin a brand-new hour with you. >> good morning. the president on his way to dayton now with the first lady at his side. his schedule on the ground there in dayton and el paso will remain off the record. we won't know what the president is doing until he is in the middle of doing it or until it's over. we do know he will meet with first responders, law enforcement, some of the people shot and wounded and some of the family members of the victims as well as the

president plays the role of consoler in chief today. his critics are suggesting the rhetoric the president has used over the last three years contributed somehow to what was going on and what happened in el paso. to a lesser degree in dayton, i suppose. the president was asked if his rhetoric has contributed to a growing culture of white nationalism in this country. listen. >> president trump: my critics are political people trying to make points. in many cases they're running for president and they're very low in the polls. a couple of them in particular very low in the polls. if you look at dayton, that was a person that supported, i guess you would say bernie sanders, i understood, antifa i understood, elizabeth warren, i understood. had nothing to do with president trump. >> texas senator ted cruz was very strong in saying we need to tone down the rhetoric on

both sides of the political aisle here. turn the heat down just a little bit. the president came over to my side of the rope line and i asked the president if he agreed with senator cruz that both sides need to tone it down. >> president trump: i do agree. i think we have toned it down. we've been getting hit left and right from everybody. many of the people i don't know, a couple of people from texas, political people from texas that aren't doing very well. i guess somebody said the mayor. i had one very nice conversation with the mayor of dayton. could not have been nicer. and then she goes and says i tried to call her. i spoke to her and i didn't receive any call. they're trying to make political points. >> on capitol hill the house has already passed legislation that would close a lot of the loopholes and enhance background checks for gun purchases. there are now bipartisan calls. chuck schumer and congressman peter king of new york getting together to say to mitch

mcconnell, bring back the senate and pass this legislation. i asked the president this morning if he believed that was a good thing to do. listen to what he said. >> president trump: you have two sides that are very different on this issue. let's say all good people but two sides that are very different. if we get close i'll bring them back but it has to be -- we have to see where we are with leadership. >> president trump said there is a strong appetite in congress for passing enhanced background checks like we have never seen before. i asked him about these large capacity magazines, the shooter in el paso was using what looked like a standard ak-47 style of magazines. the shooter in dayton was using a drum that can carry up to 100 rounds. 74 or 75. the president said there is no appetite in congress for doing anything about large capacity magazines right now and he also said there is no appetite in congress to go back and renew the assault weapons ban that

was in place from 1994 to 2004. >> john roberts from the white house. >> sandra: let's go to ohio where our next guest is waiting the president's arrival lieutenant governor john cusick joining us. first off, how is the community there healing this morning? how is everyone doing as you await the president's arrival? >> well, you know, dayton is my home. i lived there for much of my life. but the people of dayton are gritty and tough. they're mourning the loss of family members, community members, but dayton is strong. it will rebound and mourn and then pick itself up and get back to work being the great city it is. >> bill: in the meantime your governor mike dewine put forward a number of proposals to try to enforce these better laws i guess is how you would categorize it to make sure things like this don't continue to happen. 17 new proposals.

in these proposals, which ones can pass, which ones can be effective, sir? >> well, i believe they all can pass and i believe that they will all be effective. if this package gets accomplished, which i believe it will, it will save lives. what's different about this than what we hear a lot of times in the aftermath is we reached out to democrats, republicans, liberals, conservative. we brought the second amendment community in and said help us. help us design a law, a red flag law that has due process in it. meaning that the police can't just come in and take your guns without going through a court process. this has been supported by gun rights advocates in our state because we're doing it with due process. we're working with them on designing a background check system. let's face it, people who want to preserve the rights of law-abiding citizens to not

have their rights infringed upon to own and carry firearms, they want to make sure that we design a system that keeps the guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and people who cannot legally own firearms. so we're bringing people together, we're going to get this done. we'll make ohio safer. >> sandra: we heard from the president in a tweet following the shootings he would address background checks and in the speech from the white house he did not but he did a few moments ago talking to reporters outside the white house say he believes there is political appetite on both sides for background checks. do you see the possibility that there is enough support to enact that change? >> i do. because of this very point that second amendment advocates understand that when criminals, when the mentally ill get access to a gun it threatens

their rights because every time a heinous act is committed with a gun people want to come after law-abiding citizens. what we need to do is enact a reasonable background check mechanism to help keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. >> bill: most mass shooters don't have a criminal record in their background. did that killer in dayton, ohio, did he have a criminal record? >> he didn't have a criminal record. although as a juvenile he had done things and there were many signs that he was potentially violent. that's why this is not just about guns, though. it is also about mental health, it is about building a better mental health system to make sure that situations like this don't fall through the cracks. many of the 17 proposals are about mental health, about mental health assessments, about a hotline. we have a hotline where at the federal level on international

terrorism we talk about see something, say something. we want people to see something and do something. we have a hotline for them to call to connect with police and they'll help professionals to get people the help they need so these kinds of things don't happen. >> sandra: we know you're awaiting the president's arrival any moment now. he is en route both to texas and ohio. we'll see the president and first lady on the ground both places today. we appreciate your time. >> bill: want to bring in more voices now. america's a-team. brad blakeman. john summers communications director for harry reid at caitlin owens from axios. red hot when it comes to politics. why don't we get all three of you to weigh in right now. >> politics should not play a part in a nation's mourning. and it's wrong. whether you're republican or democrat no matter what your political stripe you need to

put it aside. we mourn as a nation the tragedies that happened in ohio and texas. anybody who tries to politicize that tragedy does so at their peril. >> i completely agree with that. >> bill: why are so many doing it this way? give you countless examples. beto o'rourke responding to the president just last night. >> this is the most racist president we've had since perhaps andrew johnson in another age and century and he is responsible for the hatred and violence we're seeing right now. >> bill: he hasn't backed down. the democratic congresswoman who represents that district in el paso. watch. >> he is not welcome here. i would encourage the president's staff members to have him do a little self-reflection. i would encourage them to show him his own words and his actions at the rallies because we're not going to get past this until there is

acknowledgement from the very top that we need to heal. >> there is so much in there to unpack. we do know that hate crimes have gone up over the last three years since this president has been in office. actually before then during his campaign. that is a data point we have. we know it's a real problem. the other part with respect to him going to el paso and dayton, less of an issue in dayton. they seem to be more open in having him go there. el paso they feel differently. the reality is the president sent out a tweet this morning telling beto to shut-up. we talk about communities where the wounds are fresh. when wounds are fresh and you're emotional maybe sometimes you handle things not in the best way. the president's job is to do his best to become the consoler in chief. >> bill: today he is that. >> well, i hope so. part of it is if you -- he is doing the right thing.

he should be going to these communities. but if the communities are saying just wait. >> bill: it's the politicians. >> let me finish. if the communities are saying give us a minute. let us breathe for just a minute. come at a later time. i think that's better. he is doing the right thing by offering to do. >> sandra: just like i would ask here that we have a respectful conversation about this. i think all those who are mourning need that right now, caitlin. we do look to our leaders to be open minded in these moments because there is a political discussion going on, one that could actually benefit the country in some cases maybe not. but a discussion needs to be had. >> i want to give a little context for what's happening now. politics come into every mass shooting debate whether for better or worse. i think first of all there are two discussions that get brought up immediately. the gun control, your gun laws that debate and that inevitably

gets brought up. and then i think there also as the lieutenant governor was discussing mental health gets brought up. i do want to add the caveat. a lot of mental health advocates feel very strongly mental illness should not be associated with violence. we always have to have that caveat with this discussion. i think everyone when there is a mass shooting there is a desire to do something about it. and i think that we are seeing momentum there. the red flag laws, laws that would allow in some way, shape or form. >> bill: a lot of states already have the red flag laws. 17. >> there might be momentum at the federal level in congress. republicans seem increasingly open to that. of course the other side with democrats say it's not good enough. we need more universal background check laws, more liberal democrats say we need an assault weapons ban. in the wake of mass shootings especially the tragedy where we

have back-to-back mass shootings like this weekend people want an answer to what are we going to do to prevent this from happening in the future? that becomes a political question. >> unfortunately we're in a political season coming up now shortly after labor day we'll be if full swing. >> bill: already is. >> we have to separate the politics from the reality. reality is we do gun safety measures and mental health laws that strengthen the ability for people to get the help they need. many times they don't even understand the help that they need. we need others to help them including in many cases the communities. i think it's incumbent upon republicans and democrats to come together and compromise on these issues. this could be a great first step. i hope it's not a missed opportunity. >> sandra: what we heard from the president he feels there is an appetite to change. >> i think you're absolutely right and you're right as well. we need to be careful to make sure we don't make gun violence

a mental health issue. there is an element of that. let's remember what's at the heart of both of these shootings and what we saw in orlando and jewish community centers, it is hate. hate isn't driven by mental illness. we have to remember that we have to address both of those issues. i was really encouraged to hear the president talk about how there is an appetite to expand background checks to include online gun sales and close the gun show loophole. >> sandra: he didn't say that specifically. >> we already have background checks. when we talk about expanding them that's what we're talking about, right? i want to hear this from mitch mcconnell. i want to hear him say i have the appetite. up to this point he said i'm not going the try to pass any bill that doesn't have the president -- >> bill: "new york post" today specifically mentions the killer in dayton, ohio. crazy has no party. and it mentions his i don't want to say allegiance but apparently his regard for antifa which has not been

widely reported. el paso ted cruz was down there about cooling the rhetoric. >> i think everyone in the political arena needs to just ratchet down the rhetoric. it is fine to disagree on a policy issue or substance issue but the hateful and inflamed rhetoric that we see on both sides of the aisle, that is not good for who we are as texans or am answer. >> bill: last comment. >> less rhetoric, more compassion. >> bill: thank you all, see you guys in 30 more minutes. in a moment here bottom of the hour kellyanne conway joins you live from the white house. a lot of questions for kellyanne. she will join us in 15 minutes. >> sandra: former f.b.i. agent peter strzok back in the headlines filing a massive lawsuit against his former agency why he is saying the president is to blame. does he have a case? andy mccarthy will be here live with his take.

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hold. the best defense is a good offense. being an f.b.i. agent i was a federal prosecutor for a very long time. and i can sympathize with him in a way because i prosecuted terrorists and mafia guys and corporate fraudsters. you form a very strong opinion

about them. you probably are somebody who comes to the table with some pretty strong opinions as well. but being in those positions is a privilege and with the privilege comes the burden that you don't have the same array of freedom to speak as other people do. there are requirements of discretion and reining in a lot of things you believe because you are obliged not to prejudice the investigations that you are involved in. so no, i don't think he has much -- >> bill: he is saying it's all about politics. can you prove that in court? can you make a case for that? >> well, you know, bill, it's not all about politics but the question is if it's at all about politics for investigators, you are in the wrong to begin with period. because you are basically putting your investigation

potentially in disrepute and prejudiceing the outcome of the investigation. that's never right no matter how much politics is involved. >> bill: i think the phrase was unrelenting pressure from the president is how he stated it. trey gowdy talked about this last night. watch. >> peter strzok need blame no one other than himself for writing what he wrote. he was unfit to investigate either of the presidential candidates. how this is going to turn out, i don't know. it's d.c. i don't know what a jury will do with it. he is unfit for law enforcement and whoever fired him i guess it was chris wray, i'm sure chris didn't do it because of pressure from president trump. >> bill: out-of-pocket politically. let's move on. >> sandra: is the law -- are these lawsuits over a state requiring that the president release his tax returns, we're hearing a lot about this.

is it constitutional? the president's attorney has responded to this and this is specifically their statement that they released. today we've taken action in federal court challenging california's attempt to circumvent the u.s. constitution. the issue of whether the president should release his federal tax returns was litigated in the 2016 election and the american people spoke. can they do this? >> i -- can the states do it? i think it's an abuse of their process to do it. i don't see it necessarily violates the constitution. i take the president's point. ultimately we're a political society and the question is does -- how much does the public actually care about this? but you know the states have a lot of leeway. the problem, of course, with what they're doing is it's nakedly political. there is no legislative purpose. by actually taking these measures against the president, they are eroding the rights of their own citizens because what

can be done to him can be done to them. it's a very foolish thing to do. it's a big difference between saying it's foolish and something they can't do. >> bill: last topic here. the head of homeland security was talking about the lack of resources that he believes the federal government is equipped with at the moment to handle things like we've been covering in el paso and dayton, ohio. he said this. >> we do need a better effort to coordinate that at the headquarters level and i would like to triple the staff we have available to address this and coordinate the intelligence side of it at the headquarters level as well as investing in grants and efforts that will help communities prepare for these kind of incidents. >> bill: your mind is trained to look at this in a legal sense. are there legal issues you see a problem with or not, andrew? >> i don't see a problem with the legal issues. as far as the federal government is concerned, bill, this kind of criminality is very difficult to deal with

because it is mainly a state problem. these organizations, unlike -- i'm talking about white supremacists, to say that they're organizations are over states, they the end to not form up the way international terrorist organizations do. they're hard to investigate and they the end to be more of a state problem than a federal problem. at the same time, the states have lots of resources to bring to bear on this. and the federal government does, too. i don't think anybody has a problem with ramping up resources. the problem most people have you have to make adult decisions if you are going to do that about taking the resources from someplace else. this federal government gets lavished with funding from the taxpayer so the issue is not that they don't have enough in the way of resources, it is targeting correctly. >> bill: thank you, andy, good to have you on today. >> thank you.

>> bill: president trump right now en route to dayton, ohio. he is expected to land any moment there. once he arrives he is meeting with local officials and survivors and first responders. before leaving the president pushed back on a lot of his critics. we'll have that for you and have kellyanne conway live from the white house next live. >> president trump: i have had plenty of talks over the last two days and i think something is going to come up -- we'll come up with something that is going to be really very good beyond anything that has been done so far. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere.

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it has been a tough week on wall street for the dow off 386 in 60 minutes of trading. >> sandra: we're in for another wild ride. wall street is weighing a lot of uncertainty over trade with china and the interest rate environment in the country. whether or not there will be more cuts to the fed rate this year. all questions playing a part in the sell-off we've seen in a rocky week on wall street. >> bill: it's august and usually in august a lot of folks on wall street go away. but the short-lived summer vacation for them watching this so far. 384. 10:31 in new york. from the president and white house 60 minutes ago. roll it. >> president trump: any group of hate whether it's white supremacy or any other kind of supremacy, whether it's antifa, whether it's any group of hate, i am very concerned about it

and i'll do something about it. >> bill: president trump before leaving took a lot of questions from the south lawn. he will be in dayton, ohio in moments. this afternoon he will be in el paso, texas. the president appealing for unity and healing in the wake of deadly mass shootings that occurred within 13 hours of each other. our headliner kellyanne conway counsel to the president. welcome. what is your message to america today? what's the president's message, kellyanne? >> the president put his message perfectly last hour calling for unity and healing. he is going the dayton and el paso to express condolences on behalf of an angered, outraged and grieving nation and to thank the first responders and herroism and meet with victims, families, medical professionals and everybody affected by the back-to-back tragedies in our country. i can't think of a time when we've seen more of a split screen, though. you have the politically-motivated

politicians many who think they should be president on one side screaming about the president and then you have the president not taking the bait and just keeping a very low tone and calling for the country to heal, to unify and putting forth concrete proposals on -- about mental health, about red flags and background checks. he has been talking to legislators on both sides of the aisle. after all, congress has failed to do its job on healthcare, on immigration, yes, on safety and security. he stands ready. he is here in washington working every single day. >> sandra: can we dig into that? what did the president mean by there is an appetite for background checks. what are you suggesting he is hearing in terms of support for change there? >> a couple of things, sandra. first of all it is the president in his address to the nation if not the world that he introduced the idea of the red flags and that is the red flag legislation, of course, would help in an emergency situation

to keep guns, firearms out of hands of violent criminals. probably could have helped in dayton, ohio. we all know the sick, twisted individual murder, the monster had a kill list for boys and a rape list for girls. people knew this about him for years but it wasn't in his record when he went to procure firearms probably because of the hipaa laws, because of the privacy. why can't we carve out exceptions to that as we have for other issues. >> bill: 17 states in washington, d.c. have red flag laws. >> he is calling on the federal legislature to take the best practices from the states and put it into federal legislation. he talked to lindsey graham, republican of south carolina. he is working with him and dick blumenthal, democrat of connecticut. another bipartisan bill that could have bipartisan support. mitch mcconnell has said that.

everybody for decades screams do something, do something, and then they march away to something else. they just leave that and talk about something else. this is a president who will do something because he has done it on every issue since he has gotten here. he says also there is a political appetite for this and a public demand. but it's this president talking about the concrete proposals. i cannot believe that a poll came out yesterday of the democrats running for president. 20 are below the margin of error. two of them are at 2%. 4 at 1%. 20 of them are under 1% and they're using this tragedy to try to gain leverage? the other two cable stations said it is beto's moments. >> bill: you said he hasn't taken the bait. he did take on beto o'rourke on twitter. trump offers no moral leadership or unifying the

nation. no evidence the presidency has awakened his conscience in the least. we have a president who has embraced a political strategy of hate, racism and division. that's from biden. your response? >> that's a political speech that doesn't prevent another mass shooting or heal the wounded. it's the president, not the wanna be presidents who is going to try to bring people together and returning to washington tonight bill and sandra, waiting for congress to do its job. put legislation on his desk he can sign and make a difference in this country. i would say to joe biden since he said it first and making these remarks, that again don't heal a single or bring down a little innocent that was gunned down. i would say you got elected to the senate when you were 29. you are clearly evidently 78 or so now. but you've been here for 50

years. you were in the white house where i worked for eight years and you did exactly what? you were in the debates last week. you could have brought this issue up on your own and you didn't. so they are reacting and craving for political points and my boss, our president, is doing it. >> sandra: out of respect for those that are anticipating the president's arrival in texas and ohio just moments and hours from now, kellyanne, sticking with this subject and what we just heard from the president as he makes his way there along with the first lady he said i'm concerned about the rise of any group of hate, any kind of supremacy. he is addressing criticism of his own rhetoric as well. i just wonder what the president has been saying in the wake of that criticism behind closed doors when there have been calls for him to tone down his own rhetoric in the

highly politicized environment. some have chosen to blame the president. >> he have. he is not blaming them back. what he is saying is he just answered this. he was asked the same question an hour ago and the president said i have toned it down and i'm trying to bring people together and unify. that's the story today. he is not doing this for people who want his job. he is doing this because it is his job. it doesn't matter if these candidates make speeches about peaches today. nobody really cares if they're using it for political gain. this president does what presidents do. what they've done every time we've had a tragedy. they went to the tree of life synagogue and went to las vegas after the shooting. they went to parkland, florida and they've been on the ground with national disasters and damaged lives. they have been there for this country and they will do the

same they've done for 2 1/2 years and do for the next 5 1/2 years as president and first lady today aon the ground. this president is calling for unity and healing. all i can see is people from the other side of the political aisle instead of saying how can we come together and help this nation, what can we do emotionally and legislatively and culturally. they're telling him not to come. they don't run his schedule. this president announced specifically racism, bigotry, hate, evil and white supremacy. his comments an hour ago are important. chris wray has been testifying we have all forms of hate in this country. white supremacy, antifa and anti-semitism. there are all forms of hate. we need to get ourselves around that. the president talking to the nation, opponents are talking about him. >> bill: he said my critics are political people trying to make

points. joaquin castro from texas sent out a tweet yesterday that identified some donors for the trump campaign. he went on msnbc90 minutes ago depending that position and said the following. >> when you make a political contribution especially to a federal candidate, that's a public record and so that graphic lists people's names. many are business owners so they own those companies. their money is being taken and used to fuel these hateful ads and it has put millions of people in this country in fear. there are people right now living in fear and i don't think the president understands that. >> bill: to be fair, he was challenged on the air as to why he did that because the names and companies are now made public. some of them anyway. he hasn't backed down. the tweet is still up. your message on that is what? >> he should take down the tweet. apologize to those individuals and set a better example as a member of congress and his twin

brother is running for president. a lot of people said you can't do this. doesn't matter it's public record. he put together a target list and he is making -- trying to make life miserable for citizens putting their money where their politics is. they want the president reelected. they're private citizens. he is a member of congress. he has responsible to protect the population not make them a target. >> bill: kellyanne conway. thank you for your time from the north lawn. we mentioned this a moment ago. wall street rocky start again. stocks heading lower after the rebound yesterday. growing trade battle again the u.s. and china. where is it headed? charles payne is tracking the markets and numbers and he is on deck coming up. >> the door is open for

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>> sandra: another wild ride on wall street today after the biggest loss of the year on monday. investors seeking safe havens like gold and bonds today. charles payne here. i don't know if any place is safe. the dow is up 312, off more than 500 earlier. what is going on? >> if you look overnight. european markets were higher. we were looking like we would have an indifferent open. and then buying yields started to go down precipitously. we closed yesterday at -- >> sandra: why is that important? that can be an indicator of broader things. >> broader things including global fears of a growing

economic recession. more central banks lowering rates overnight. small central banks but telling that india, new zealand, it's really real interesting all the central banks around china where the economies have a closer connection to china are taking drastic measures as if they are bracing not only for recession in their country but perhaps a recession in china as well. that being said. it is not that it's going down, unnerving to a degree. the pace it came down this morning was really what scared a lot of people. the central banks taking decisive action much more than wall street anticipated. we're not getting a clear indication from our federal reserve on what they think is going on. i think that's unfortunate. we heard from two federal reserve officials yesterday. one who says he is the most dovish person on the fed. the market is looking into four more rate cuts. four rate cuts. he is saying maybe one.

we have to wait for the data. his sense of urgency doesn't match what wall street is suggesting. the fed is making a huge mistake now if -- in addition to their tool box and everything else, one of the greatest weapons they have is credibility. they don't want to lose that. it's okay to be nervous when you should be nervous. sometimes people say reserve your weapons and ammo. keep the arrows in your quiver, don't show anxiety or panic. sometimes you're anxious and panicky. >> sandra: i have to challenge you on that, though. i saw one investors. the big economists are talking and concerned about recession. a lot of big money managers are concerned. they question the president taking on the federal reserve in such a public way because the suggestion is that the fed would then have to not cut just to show that he is not political and bowing to the president. how do you respond? >> that's unfortunate. in fact, you know, i hate to

say it but after the last question and answer period with jay powell last week. i never thought he would put these personal attacks if you will or personal criticism and scrutiny of his job by the president and let that be part of his decision making process. >> sandra: we don't know that he did. >> we don't know they did. i felt more like maybe it was the case during the question and answer period last wednesday. and it's unfortunate if indeed -- you kind of suggested that's what these folks are saying. the rate hike in december was crazy. the market was in free fall. >> bill: your point about the fed's credibility. china came up clearly with the president. >> president trump: china is not doing well. if you look at the trade situation, china just admitted yesterday they've been a currency manipulator. the market reaction is anticipated. i would have anticipated it.

i would have maybe anticipated even more. but ultimately it is going to go much higher than it ever would have gone because china was like an anchor on us. >> bill: are we on the first-yard line or eight or somewhere in the middle? >> good question. on china, i think the game of fighting back just began. if we put it in a greater context. >> bill: who is fighting back? >> america is fighting back against an indifference by governments. we complained but never did anything for decades. so in that respect we have the ball on the 10-yard line, 90 yards to go. we can make some first downs along the way. i will say this to your earlier point, sandra. president trump probably needs to stop tweeting on the fed for a moment. he and powell he should have a conversation. let's drop the political stuff. >> bill: investigators linking items found in the banks of a

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on the eastern edge of the town. he should be downtown in a matter of moments, sandra. and then the healing begins. >> sandra: president will be meeting with officials on the ground there at the local and state level as well as victims, families, first responders, and a thankful president will be congratulating those officers so quick to respond on the scene there. when leaving the white house a short time ago he said he will be paying his respects along with the first lady. this is an opportunity, he said, to congratulate police and law enforcement. they have done an incredible job and they have indeed. >> bill: you're so right about that. the video you can see outside the bar at 1:00 in the morning saturday night and sunday morning in dayton, ohio, the way they responded and held their ground and took down the shooter in less than 30 seconds. they saved without question countless lives that night. >> sandra: we spoke to the mayor of dayton earlier this week. she said she is going to

obviously speak to the president when he arrives on the ground there. when she first found out about the president's visit there about her community and the healing and the process by which they're going through she said they're determined and gritty as we also heard from the lieutenant governor of the state and they will heal as a community together. >> bill: the oregon district of downtown dayton, ohio is very popular on the weekend for young people. exceedingly popular on the night of august on a nice summer night. that night turned to a moment and gave people an image and memory that they will never erase from their minds. ohio governor, republican mike dewine announcing 17 new proposals he plans on introducing to the majority republican state house in columbus, ohio, proposals that include red flag laws that are already in place in some other states. the governor said we're going to do things that matter. we're going to do things that

are constitutional and things that can get passed. he touched on background checks of which there are already many in place. however, he said if a gun were to go between family members, that would not be considered under the new law. a clear indication he thinks that would not be able to pass the courts. why that is i'm not clear but we'll talk to some lawyers and work our way through that. pledging a lot of money, 600 to 700 million dollars to a wraparound service fund for emotional challenges and bringing in big data to try to identify those who have a hardened heart and are using words that throw up alarms for classmates, administrators and teachers in school. >> sandra: the president was asked about his rhetoric a short time ago when he was departing the white house and says that i have toned it down. i would like to stay out of the

political fray, he said in response to a lot of the blaming of the president through all of this. when it came to bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, he said i don't blame them. important words from the president as the discussion grows about what changes there is an appetite for when it comes to gun laws in this country. his words, i'm looking to do background checks. he believes there is a political appetite for that. i don't want to put guns in the hands of sick people filled with hate. so we'll see what other changes the president talks about but he did feel at that moment that there is growing bipartisan support for some sort of gun law changes in this country. >> bill: today the message that kellyanne referred to, a message of national unity and healing. we'll watch that process together as we mentioned first stop today dayton, ohio, wright-patterson air force base.

11:00 in ohio as well watching the president and first lady arrive there on air force one. we welcome you now to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom." >> sandra: president trump arriving in dayton, ohio just a few moments ago following the deadly shooting there as he defends himself against critics who say he is to blame for this tragedy. looking ahead to el paso, texas, the second stop for the president and first lady later today. both cities meeting with survivors, first responders, victims and families of the victims. kellyanne conway reacted to some things a short time ago. >> he is calling for unity and healing. he is expressing condolences on behalf of a grieving nation. i can't think of a time when we've seen more of a split screen, though. you have the politically-motivated craven politicians many who think they should be president on one side

screaming about the president and then you have the president not taking the bait and just keeping a very low tone and calling for the country to heal, to unify, and putting forth concrete proposals. >> sandra: complete fox coverage. jeff paul is in el paso. first to mike tobin in dayton, mike. >> we have the president on the ground. you see a lot of people as dayton is grieving trying to get a look at the president. not everyone is excited to see the president. there is a demonstration forming in a park right across from miami valley hospital, the anti-trump protestors have gathered there, 100 of them. they have signs that say things like no guns, in triggers, trump, you have blood on your hands. in oregon district we're seeing trump supporters gathering as well. you see a political divide form up. the dayton mayor made it clear she is not a fan of the president and the things he has said but take a meeting with him to see if he can help.

>> i have no sense of what's in president trump's mind at all, right? i can only hope that as president of the united states, that he is coming here because he wants to add value to our community. >> as for the latest with the investigation, the f.b.i. is taking point in the investigation following the massacre here. it's because the evidence determined that the gunman in this case was obsessed with violent ideologies. that crossed a threshold where federal agents can now get involved. the local dayton police are still involved in the investigation into the nine homicides. >> we have found very specific violent ideologies that the shooter we know followed and was interested in. so that has given us enough information to open up an f.b.i. investigation to make sure we have every single tool and investigative capability to

determine why it happened and make sure it doesn't happen again. >> the f.b.i. says of the evidence they've seen thus far there is nothing that indicates this was driven by racism. they still don't know what set this shooter off. as we're waiting for the visit of the president i can hear some of the protestors starting behind me. >> sandra: we'll follow up with that. give us an idea what you've been hearing on the ground there as far as the community is concerned and the residents there who are gathering as we await the president's arrival any moment now. >> well, you hear a lot of different arguments. a lot of people supportive of the president and the things that he said. i'm looking at some people in the make america great again hats. i can't see exactly what's going on with the shouting. another crowd and they do -- i see some pro trump and anti-trump signs. what we have here is political friction taking place. you have a lot of people saying

it's too soon for the president to come here. they need time to heal. a visit from the president will start absorbing resources that could deal with the investigation and the healing of this community. and then you have a lot of people upset with the language of the president specifically the mayor herself has said she is not happy with the rhetoric of this president and some people who think that he has contributed. >> sandra: we're told that the mayor has arrived there awaiting the president's arrival there and the governor, governor dewine, also is there to greet the president. mike tobin is on the ground in dayton. thank you. >> bill: back there shortly. now the el paso, 22 people killed there saturday morning at the wal-mart. the president heads there later today. jeff paul is on stand by live to el paso now before that happens later today. jeff, good morning.

>> bill, in this community bracing themselves for their visit from president trump that will happen in a few hours after the ohio visit. and this community as you take a look behind me very much mourning. we've been here for several hours. there wasn't a moment where we didn't see several people out here paying their respects. the main focus today is on the victims but the big conversation surrounding the president today short time ago we caught up with mayor dee margo who has taken criticism for the fact he will be meeting with the president when he gets here. here is what he had to say about the criticism he is facing. >> it's not going to take away from my focus. i'm trying to get through 22 funerals. i'll meet the president today and we'll start the process. i'm not sure we'll start the healing process until we finish those 22 funerals. but this is a resilient community. >> the first of those 22

funerals will begin tomorrow, bill. >> bill: thank you, jeff paul, we're watching the images with the first couple. >> sandra: the mayor on the ground and the governor and lieutenant governor on this program earlier on tarmac as president and first lady arrive. martha maccallum is here with us this morning. welcome as we see the president has now arrived along with the first lady. they are on the ground meeting with first responders, victims' families and local and state officials. >> i think it's clear this is the sad repetitive duty of the president of the united states as we've seen over the years of these mass shootings. when they arrive on the scene to give their condolences and create support, an environment of support for the people there and to be thankful to the first responders in dayton who can forget the scene of the police rallying to take that shooter down within a second of which

he would have been inside that bar. he was heavily armed and could have done an enormous amount of damage in there. those first responders and law enforcement on the ground are incredible heroes in the story. it is part of being president and you spoke with kellyanne conway, if the president wasn't going the criticism would be that he isn't going. he is doing what he has to do. this is his job and role in the country and there will be people who will be detractors and people who are glad he is there. >> michael turner is a republican from ohio and lives in downtown dayton. he would have been several hundred -- he might have been just a few blocks away from the shooting on saturday night. >> sandra: it's interesting to note mike turner has a 93% approval rating with the nra but he has changed his tune when it comes to how he feels about assault weapons. his daughter and her friend as you say were right across the street from the bar where it happened. he wants to stop the sale of

assault weapons to civilians. limit the size of magazines and enact red flag laws. that is going to be an important conversation for the president as he continues to form his opinions about how to deal with all this. >> sandra: senator portman on the ground there as well. martha, as the president has arrived there, the conversation surely has turned to a lot of blame being thrown around on all sides including some of the democratic presidential candidates who have decided to blame the president for his rhetoric and beyond for some of the things that have happened. cory booker is one of them. he spoke out during a rally in south carolina this morning. sneak this in here as the president has arrived in ohio. >> you reap what you sow. the act of anti-latino, anti-immigrant hatred we witnessed this past weekend did not start with the hand that pulled the trigger. it was sowed from the highest

office in our land where we see in tweets and rhetoric hateful words that ultimately endanger the lives of people in our country. >> sandra: the president referred to all this as a political game he would like to not engage in at this time. >> it feels like it isn't where we want to be right now in terms of this conversation and pointing that kind of blame. obviously this is a twisted individual. he did express concerns about invaders. he is from texas. there have been hundreds of thousands of people pouring across the border in recent months. that's the reality of the development that happened in the neck of the woods he lives in. who knows what inspires a sick person like this who has a long history of writing things that are violent? this is a guy who turned himself in to a motorcycle cop. the seeds of his hatred and his evil go far deeper than anything he might have heard

someone say, the president even, on television i would think. >> bill: you are talking about the ohio killer. >> sandra: and the el paso killer. in terms of cory booker's statement and invaders and the president's language. >> bill: the ohio killer didn't have a criminal record. if he goes for a gun and background check, he is able to purchase. >> this is something that i think the country wants to address. when you talk about the red flag laws, bill. we're in a national moment of crisis here. you have an extraordinary number of these shootings that have happened in our country. it reminds me of the 9/11 moment. you take an approach as a country. what did you do in that situation? you take out the leaders, kill the leaders and harden your targets and create a terror watch this. is there a way for schools and different data points who have had run-ins with people like this. he had a hit list, a rape list, the dayton shooter. these things should be part of

a base that pop up and maybe this extends your waiting time at the very least to purchase that gun. but there are things in these people past, there always are that surface and perhaps there should be a conversation that goes into the red flag laws that are being very popularly discussed now. graham and others are in favor of these. >> sandra: the communities have a long way to heal as the president has a goal of doing just that. bringing everybody together. we saw him make that speech earlier in the week. one of unity and condemning racism. that became a political point when "the new york times" characterized that in a headline and was criticized for portraying it as the president calling for unity and pulled that headline and put something else in place. >> yeah, they got a lot of heat for suggesting the president was counseling, that it was time to put hate aside and promote unity. they changed their headline under pressure, really, from a

number of individuals who weren't happy with it and thought it was too favorable to the president. the president said this in that speech. hatred warps the mind and ravages the heart. open wounds cannot heal if we're divided. we need to seek bipartisan solutions. how will that come together? are there any people on both sides who are willing to sort of put aside some of their feelings on these issues and say where do we have things in common, what can we do for the united states? >> bill: think about the moment sunday night when mike dewine the governor of ohio showed up at the vigil and they were all in unson do something. 36 hours later he said we must do something. we'll see where that movement goes. that's the surveillance video where the cops saved lives. see you at 7:00. domestic terrorism in the spotlight for many following the shootings in texas and ohio. does the f.b.i. have the tools it needs to deal with such

matters? senator ron johnson will weigh in on that coming up next. >> if it's at all about politics for investigators, you're in the wrong to begin with, period. you are basically putting your investigation potentially in disrepute. you're headed down the highway when the guy in

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california as well. this coming as the acting homeland security secretary agrees with a report saying his department does not have the resources to fight it. >> we need to invest more, no question, in my first week as acting secretary i've asked congress for an out of cycle budget request to help bolster it. increase our reach and capability. it doesn't cover the level and scope of effort across the department of enterprise. white supremacist extremism is an element we're trying to address. >> sandra: here is ron johnson, senator, good morning to you and thank you for being here. what more could you add to that about these fears and concerns? >> good morning, sandra, on may 8th ranking member senator peterson and i sent a letter to the department of justice and the f.b.i. asking them how do they keep track of these domestic terrorist attacks?

what kind of resources do they have and what are they devoting to different aspects of this? we got a response from dhs. we haven't got a response from the f.b.i. or attorney general. monday we asked them to respond. i'm not sure you'll ever have enough resources in terms of what people will be requesting. this is a serious issue, though. we expect answers out of the f.b.i. director and the attorney general. >> sandra: here is the f.b.i. agents or a portion of it urging congress to -- acts of violence intended to intimidate civilians populations or influence or affect government policies should be prosecuted as domestic terrorism regardless of the ideology behind them. you responded with this letter to the d.o.j. and f.b.i. after these shootings in el paso and dayton. here is a portion of that. concerns persist that the d.o.j. and f.b.i. have failed to track data on domestic

terrorism and law enforcement is slow to respond to changing domestic threats. can you expand on that? what are we doing to follow up on these acts currently? >> first of all understand when we're talking about international terrorism, they don't have full constitutional rights whereas people in the united states do. so we're always dealing with how do you handle the not guilty yet? it's a vexing problem. i'm not saying it's an easy issue. red flag laws we ought to focus on the real title of those, extreme risk protection orders. focus on those individuals where you have clear and convincing evidence, where there is complete due process of the laws we're talking about here in terms of federal laws, are really just grant programs hopefully to provide the guidelines so you have robust due process and focusing on extreme risk.

you don't want to go down a slippery slope but you have to take these problems seriously. >> sandra: how do you do that, senator? would you not support the red flag laws that we hear the president talking about and some of your other colleagues in congress who do support that kind of change? you don't support that in its current form. >> no, first of all those laws will be enacted by the states. what we should be doing in congress is hold hearings and find out how are those laws operating? have there been abuses? do we have enough due process? i'm not aware they're considering a federal red flag law in the judiciary committee other than programs to provide the guidelines or encourage states to pass their own versions. we're talking about state law here. one thing you should take a look at would be involuntary commitment. what are the standards for that? we're talking about similar

issues in terms of mental health issues and taking away people's freedom or constitutional right. these are serious issues. >> sandra: a lot there. a lot more to talk about. hope you come back. >> have a good day. >> sandra: appreciate your time. thank you. >> bill: back in dayton, ohio now, the president and first lady on the move heading toward the downtown part of dayton. we're tracking their movements here. their arrival 20 minutes ago. let's get a quick break. as there are more developments out of dayton we'll pass it on to you. 20 minutes past the hour. back after this.

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we've noted before and others have pointed out, the president has sought to divide. it is part of the campaign strategy. the president has denied this but i think we've seen in comments from the campaign

anonymously and otherwise that this is part of the president's strategy. this is a time for him to rise above all that and really take on white supremacy which is a significant problem and growing problem as described by f.b.i. director christopher wray. >> bill: healing and unity, a connection in el paso. a different story in dayton, ohio. what do you make of joaquin castro in texas tweeting out the names of donors and not backing down from it? >> look, his defense is that these are publicly available names and anybody can look them up. it is different, though, to have an elected official tweet them out and make it easier for somebody who might want to cause trouble. whether that trouble is harassment or something more serious. for a public official to do that i think is grossly irresponsible. he shouldn't have done it. if the situation were reversed it would be important for

republicans to condemn a trump supporter who did something like that. i think democrats should be asked about this and should be asked to condemn it. >> bill: he was asked to back down. he hasn't done it. the tweet is still up there. did an interview 2 1/2 hours ago and challenged on it and he is not changing. >> no. there is no sign that he is going to. i think it's unfortunate. i do hope that our colleagues in the media will ask democrats about this and ask them to justify this. if it's true that the actions -- the words and actions of elected officials can help shape and environment which bad people, crazy people do things that nobody would want them to do, then this is an irresponsible move. i do believe it's the case that irresponsible rhetoric can contribute to these kind of situations. i believe naming and promoting

the names of people in the context -- not just he was identifying them as donors. he was doing it in the context of thinly veiled accusations of racism. >> bill: you're right. trump campaign responded. at the least castro for congress is inviting harassment of the citizens and at worst encouraging violence. will media care about this? he is listing people and their employers. it is a target list. that was the phrase that kellyanne conway used an hour ago as well, a target list. >> i think tim is write in his comments about that. it's irresponsible and democrats should be pressed about it and joaquin castro would do well to walk away from it or recant what he said. i will say that the trump campaign when asked about its use of the word invasion in its many facebook ads, tim defended

that and said it's an accurate description of what's happening. that's a gross overstatement. we shouldn't be engaged in that kind of rhetoric. if you look at the obvious tension around the country not just in the aftermath of the shootings in dayton and el paso but the way our politics has been conducted in recent days and recent weeks and months, we are sitting on a powder keg. something even worse potentially could happen. our elected officials are the ones that we ought to look to to tamp this down, to discourage this kind of behavior, not to engage it and inflame it or poke and prod. those of us in the media have an obligation to do the same thing. >> bill: it's a campaign season. >> unfortunately the reality is -- i can say that all i want. the reality is we're looking at a political year that's about to be as ugly as one that we've seen. >> bill: getting word at the hospital where the first couple

arrived. inside the hospital is where many of the victims were taken. they will meet with first responders, hospital staff, as well as some victims and families. that's the word we're getting from the white house and the pool that's traveling with them. that healing starts today, steve. >> we can hope, right? i think healing has to come from the president and he says to be consistent about this. he can't offer kind words and thanks to these first responders and others in these moments, which is appropriate. i agreed with what our colleague said before. it's appropriate for the president to go and say these words and appropriate for him to offer rhetoric that might provide some comfort. it is also important, however, that the president then not get on twitter and take off after his critics. of course he will be criticized. he is the president of the united states. some of the criticism is in bound and some too much.

he is the leader, the president of the united states. it is on him to not further exacerbate these problems, which again we can talk about the triumph of hope over experience. srtly we haven't seen that in the past. >> bill: look we're looking at protests for and against the president in dayton, ohio. an exterior of the hospital miami valley that i mentioned there. think about ohio in a political sense and cultural sense, too. battleground state. we all know that very well. a trump state won it by eight points. republican governor with 17 proposals that is majority ruled in the state house. in that respect ohio could be a leader for the nation in trying to do something about this because i think the feeling you get going back to last weekend is as a culture and as a society, this can't go on. america is better than this,

right, left, republican, democrat. extremists on both sides. as a country, it has to stop. the only way that happens is if we try and try again to figure out our best way forward. ohio could be a leader on that, steve. >> yeah. i think that's possible. it is hard to imagine anything significant happening on a federal level because we've seen it before and it hasn't happened. any likelihood it would happen it is highly unlikely it would happen heading into an election year where both sides are squarely -- not both sides but as you say the extremes on both sides are solidified and seeking even stronger footing as they head into the campaign. it is an atmosphere in which political compromise is highly unlikely particularly given these issues. >> bill: that's when you need a strong governor at the state

level. you can't always fall to washington, d.c. >> yeah, i think it's entirely possible. interesting to see what mike dewine does. the real question is what kinds of additional steps could a state take that would actually help prevent these kinds of atrocities? that's been hotly debated and reasons to be optimistic about some things. gun restraining orders, for instance. i think there are signs both at the federal level and potentially the state level that's an idea moving forward or has some interest. but a lot of the things that have been discussed in the aftermath of previous mass shootings have not happened precisely because it's such a polarized debate. >> sandra: we're told the

president and first lady have now arrived at the miami valley hospital there in dayton, ohio. this is the main trauma center where many of the victims have the weekend shooting were brought. with many injuries. they received in total 17 patients from that mass shooting on the weekend. the first word of casualties, actually, as local papers are reporting, came from a doctor from the miami valley hospital who happened to be off duty that day and was on the scene on his night off and made one of the first phone calls in and then miami valley hospital received so many of those patients. so the president and first lady are visiting there today. they will be meeting with the first responders. the president said to congratulate them on their efforts there. let's bring in howie kurtz as we continue to look live at dayton, ohio where we're just days now after that mass shooting took place and the president and first lady are on

the ground there talking to people. >> i'm so struck, sandra, looking at these pictures. this is what presidents do after a tragedy, twin tragedies. he will be going to el paso visiting the hospital where families might be gathering and yet because of this intense political polarization and the continued attacks on the president and his critics, the trip itself was deemed controversial. politicians mostly democrats obviously in both cities saying he shouldn't come. not the right messenger given his rhetoric on immigration. and it is a no-win situation. as i said before, the president's rhetoric is fair game for criticism but at the same time to hold him responsible for the violence of these two crazed shooters and then to suggest further that he shouldn't show up at a time when the nation is trying to

heal to offer condolences i think is just sad. >> sandra: you can obviously see the live picture of the miami valley hospital where the president and first lady are now inside speaking to many of those first responders and doctors and nurses who aided so many after the shooting took place, howie. the other part of the screen we're told the streets are lined about both protestors and supporters of the president. the president and first lady were greeted by the governor and mayor of dayton on the tarmac. this is a big moment where a president can really bring together a community that is trying to heal. what can the president say while he is on the ground both there in dayton and el paso today? >> i think what president trump can say and just showing up as the symbol of the anguish that so many americans, that all

americans feel about these killings, can let the people there know that we are with them and thinking about them and praying for them. and the political debate about what to do and should there be background checks and all of that, you know, that's an a parallel track. today is a day for healing. the president has sometimes been criticized for a not feel your pain politician. the question is can he rise to the occasion? i thought it was striking when he spoke to reporters before getting on air force one before getting on marine one that he didn't want -- he said he wanted the stay out of the political fray today. he didn't want to take the bait when asked questions by reporters. he did note that the shooter in dayton was apparently a fan of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. he said of course i don't blame them for that. his critics are blaming him for

the el paso shooting. it would be nice -- it would be nice if all of us could take these few hours to sympathize and to watch the president do what presidents have done every president has done this. after national disasters, terrorist attacks and domestic terrorism to let him try to play the healing role and put aside the political debate and blame game that i want to see sidelined. >> sandra: let's see if we get a look inside of the president and first lady soon. he is congratulating those first responders. he was asked about his critics departing the white house early this morning to which he responded people are looking for political gain. he was also asked about calls on him to tone down his rhetoric. he says i have toned it down.

i would like to stay out of the political fray, as you mentioned. he went on in the wake of revelations about the shooter in dayton. i don't blame bernie sanders or elizabeth warren. i think we'll come up with something we've never seen before. this was a president on his departure from the white house earlier indicated that he is, as he said earlier in the week, open to some sort of change. that will be the question in coming days, what he reveals and does have bipartisan support in congress. >> sandra: the president did hit back at beto o'rourke on twitter. the former congressman from the el paso area but attacked first and o'rourke blamed the president for this. so he would be well advised to continue to tone it down, i think. on the question of he actually spoke about background checks even though it wasn't in his speech and said we'll come up

with something even better. i think this president is well positioned and could bring enough republicans along to some sort of common sense gun measures, perhaps coupled with other things that congress can actually do something. barack obama made -- and joe biden made a concerted effort to get some kind of gun control. couldn't get it through capitol hill. the president earlier in his term after the barkland high school shooting had members of congress in talked about taking on the nra. he said a couple republicans who were afraid of the nra. if he chooses to. sometimes they fall apart when they get to the details. he is positioned the take the heat. he ran as a strong supporter of the second amendment to come up with something both parties and most americans would support. this is a moment when presidents both in terms of healing the nation but also legislatively have an opportunity to rise to the occasion. >> sandra: thank you for

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>> bill: panic in the heart of new york city. people scrambling in time square last night. here is what the camera showed. the chaos and confusion happened as crowds of people thought they heard gunfire. police confirming multiple 911 calls for what turned out to be the motorcycle backfiring. no serious injuries. that was in the heart of new york city last night. >> sandra: what a moment. political climate heating up between democrats and republicans. given recent events it seemed

impossible for both sides to work together for the good of the country. in his latest column in the "new york post" michael goodwin's headline reads democrats, time to work with trump is now. joining us now from the "new york post" is michael goodwin. good morning. what do you say in this piece? >> well, i think the president hit all the right notes in his speech the other day about dayton and el paso. the democratic reaction, however, was he is a racist. he is the problem. and my conclusion from that is they don't really want solutions, they want him to surrender. they want him to give up everything essentially get out of office. and so they're using this as another one of those moments. my argument is this is a president who likes to make deals. he feels really strongest and i think most confident that he is doing the best job when he is making a deal. the democrats have really wasted nearly three years in

fighting the resistance, impeachment, russia, russia, russia. it's time to sit with him now in this crisis of confidence moment in america and make a deal, work with him, cooperate. nobody is going to get everything. but the president clearly has signaled that he is open to major changes in background checks, red flag laws, etc., etc. why don't the democrats stop calling him a racist? joe biden compared him to the kkk for god's sake. what is to be gained by that kind of language? nothing. if you want to help the country, work with the president. and the president by the same token should tone down his rhetoric and he has. >> sandra: he said he has. he acknowledged that when he was departing the white house earlier today. reminds me of monday. "the new york times" headline following the president's speech which was eventually pulled because of criticism. it acknowledges the president

calling for unity and condemning racism. "the new york times" apologized and said it wasn't a good headline and changed it to assailing hate but not guns. that's how they responded. i want to read this piece from your piece in the "new york post," michael. the hatred for him is so far out of proportion to any offense that you wonder whether there is any circumstance under which the left would agree to work with him for the good of the country. what is the answer to that? is there anything? >> well, i think if not now, when, right? if not at this moment when america -- even the picture from time square. people are on edge and frightened of this mass shootings in our own country. if the democrats cannot come to work with the president, lower their own -- stop calling him a racist. stop saying he is a russian agent and get on with the work of governing. that's what the country wants and deserves.

>> sandra: you take on democratic leadership in your piece as well. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are afraid to negotiate with the president lest they be chased out of town for collaborating with the enemy. >> i think pelosi is afraid of the impeachment caucus in the house and keeps playing footsy with them and keeps saying maybe. meanwhile nothing is getting done. chuck schumer, an incident early on. he knows donald trump well from their times in new york. trump was a contributor to schumer over many years. schumer said we can make deals with him. schumer for that effort got demonstrations outside his apartment in brooklyn screaming obscenities at midnight and that was the end of chuck schumer wanting to negotiate with the president. >> sandra: people are hearing you right now and many are thinking this is fantasy world this think democrats will stop everything now and work with the president and work with republicans on this issue. >> it probably is a fantasy. i prefer to think of it as an

opportunity. sometimes out of tragedy is necessity. right now it is necessary for something to get done. i think the lack of confidence people have in their government, whether it's -- where it crosses party lines. you are seeing 20% approval of congress. you see the democratic party divided. republicans are united behind the president generally but there is a lot of criticism, too. so i think for the good of the country, the government must show it can function and respond to public will. >> sandra: bipartisanship and unity could go a long way now. the cover of the "new york post" this morning. crazy has no party. lower portion, no matter the twisted ideology, tackle the guns is the stance of the post. >> right. this is a moment, an important moment. if the republicans and democrats can't come together. and i think the key to that is stop calling the president a

racist. to acknowledge he is the legitimate president. sit down with him as you would with any president and work out some language that can take the country forward on red flag laws, on background checks. the president is ready. >> sandra: we hear you michael goodwin. thank you. >> bill: nice to see you, michael. "outnumbered" comes your way. melissa and kennedy from the duties today. good morning. >> the president right now meeting with the survivors in dayton, ohio and then heading to el paso, texas, in the wake of the mass shooting killing 31 people. the president pushing back against critics saying they're just trying to score political points and denouncing all forms of hate and the rhetoric from those critics continues to ramp up, though. >> we have some of that coming from congressman joaquin castro who tweeted out the names and employers of some of the president's biggest donors saying they are paying for a hate agenda. the white house calling back hard saying the congressman is

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>> bill: fox news alert from overseas now. north korea now saying chairman kim supervised a live demonstration of new short-range ballistic missiles. state media quoting kim calling it a warning shot for the u.s. and south korea conducting joint military drills in the south. greg palkot is live in london. >> that's right. north korea today hyping its offensive pushback to the just

started u.s./south korea military drills. the state media claiming the north korean leader kim jong-un was on the ground and monitoring the latest launch tuesday morning allegedly verifying the war capacity of new types of tactical guided missiles. the latest punch fired from the west coast of north korea landing in the sea of japan 280 miles away. pyongyang again making it clear it was all about those military drills even though they're nothing like the ones we've seen the past couple of years. now they're low key mostly computer simulations in an effort by the u.s. to try to not disrupt talks with the north. the promise of the talks started after the dmz meeting in june. we have seen little in the way of progress. there are other talks starting, however, between the u.s. and south korea about paying for

the u.s. military presence on the korean peninsula. according to president trump today, seoul is promising to pay more. take a listen. >> president trump: the relationship is a very good one but i felt all along, i felt for years it was a very unfair one. so they've agreed to pay a lot more and they will agree to pay a lot more than that and we're with them. >> we're with them but so far no word from the south korean government today that there has been any new agreement to pay anything beyond the increases that seoul is paying to support the u.s. military presence this year. a lot of complications on the korean peninsula. >> bill: thank you, greg palkot in london today. >> sandra: fox news alert. the president meeting with survivors and medical staff in a hospital in dayton before heading to el paso later today. protestors have been greeting the visit on the streets there in ohio. the same is expected to happen in texas. we're live from both states. stay tuned and we'll have that just ahead.

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>> sandra: big day. >> bill: we believe right now the president and first lady are still meeting with those of the hospital, miami valley hospital, that served as a trauma center for so many. how many? i think 17 people in there on saturday night, sunday morning. administrators there, the first responders, some of the victims, too. when that tape becomes available, when the play-out becomes available, we will give it to you. >> sandra: will continue to follow the president and first lady's movement on the ground there. when they are done in ohio they will add to el paso, texas, a bit later today. >> bill: a full stack today. before leaving the white house, there's this whole equation about politics coming into this national debate. the president took it on. he said these are political people trying to make points. we will see how it goes with protesters in dayton, and see who turns out in el paso. we do know people on both sides of the issue have been out in force already. >> sandra: in coming days, what we hear from congress as

far as possibly working together to enact some sort of change of our gun laws per the president making that suggestion in his words just moments ago. thank you for joining us, everybody. we will be back tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump in dayton, ohio, right now. the president paying his respects to victims and visiting the survivors of the deadly mass shooting there. there are protests underway as some critics have told the president to stay away. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. fox news contributor, lisa boothe. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. joining us on the couch, former utah republican congressman and fox news contributor, jason chaffetz. thanks for joining us. we will jump right in. president trump and dayton right now. later today he will go to el paso, texas. earlier, as the president left the white house, he responded