which may cause kidney problems. change the course of your treatment. ask your doctor about victoza®. >> neil: there's a tape. michael cohen has a tape and maybe more than one. fox on top of the fallout from a conversation record and now heatedly debated. if the president's personal lawyer takes a call to discuss payments to a former playboy model named karen mcdougal, why did he do so? could this be a sign that cohen is more than willing to make a deal and possibly testify against the president? way out of the norm for a lawyer to record conversations with his client let alone one campaigning to become the president of the united states. reason enough for stocks to initially dip when the story got out on the wires.

even as the president has been mum on this as he gets ready to head out of town. he's going to new jersey this weekend. welcome. i'm neil cavuto. this is your world what a crazy world it's been from -- think about this week from vladimir putin and the big conversation and the big back and forth over interpretations and pivots and who knew what and a week-ending news shows the presence of a tape and maybe others that have people asking one word. why? to kevin corke at the white house. >> that is the 64,000 question. what on earth was michael cohen thinking recording his client like that. we won't even get to the number of issues that that has to deal with in terms of his professional future but fox news can confirm that in fact mr. cohen recorded his client, candidate trip a couple of months before the election in

2016. why does this matter? it matters because we can tell you that in those conversations the men discuss payments that were never made to a playboy model that said she had a fling with the president, then candidates, going back to 2006. here's what's new. the fbi seized those recordings. we're going to talk about the one two-minute recording. others say there's others during a raid on mr. cohen's office earlier this year. the new revelation coming as the doj expands its probe in 2016. the question is if the payments made by trump's team or his lawyer violated federal campaign finance laws. we can confirm this. mr. trump and mr. cohen discussed that particular payment in that conversation with a woman by the name of karen mcdougal. i mentioned that she's a former playboy model.

here's why this is somewhat interesting. we had the big stormy daniels deal. micha micha michael avenatti is now out there talking about this. nothing in the conversation suggests the president had any knowledge of this in advance. wow! what else can happen this week? i don't want to know. i want to get you through friday. it's a heck of a week, neil. >> neil: you're right. kevin corke at the white house. let's get a look at this with ted williams. since you're an attorney and i'm not, is it unusual for a lawyer to tape his client? >> it is very unusual, neil, for a lawyer to tape his client. it's clearly something that i wouldn't do and i don't know any lawyers that would do that kind of a thing. but i got to tell you, neil, i

think we need to chill a little bit. because we may be dealing with a nothing burger here. there's a great deal of speculation of what was said in these two minutes on the tape. i don't know what trump was saying. maybe and maybe if you speculate, he was trying to cover up an affair that he may have had or may not have had. but the question is, cohen. just think about it, neil. for months now, we've heard that michael cohen wants to sing. he's been on good morning america saying i want to sing. the question is, do the united states attorney's office, does he have anything of value to give them. it seems to me you wouldn't run to "good morning america" or "the new york times" before you'd run to the u.s. attorney's office and/or sing there. so i'm very troubled by all of this. >> neil: yeah, it's weird to me. so we regarded the

conversations, which is freaky in itself. then you have to wonder, what is damning in the conversation where the two were talking or discussing this, unless campaign funds were used or discussed. we're told that never came up. rudy guliani said as much. there's no there there. right? >> neil, let me say this to you and the viewers. if cohen had something of tremendous value, the u.s. attorney's offices would be beating cohen's door down to have him to a queen for a day or acknowledgement. that is where cohen would come in and tell the u.s. attorney's office what he had the they wanted it, then they can grant him immunity. none of that has happened there may be a possibility that the u.s. attorney's office is saying i don't give a damn about cohen and what he has to say because he has nothing to say that we don't >> neil: what about the means by which we got it? you mentioned that his office,

home was raided. that's not an every-day event. if this is result of that, i mean, that's a tough one to justify a raid after the fact, isn't it? >> it certainly is. i got to tell you, the danger for trump and cohen is not maybe in this tape about an alleged affair. the danger is how many other tapes that cohen made have made with trump that could very well be damaging. >> neil: so i'm thinking of the time that he spoke about his -- cohen said to george stephanopoulos a his obligation is first to his family and his children. is all of this setting up someone that is going to rat or try to rat against the president? >> that becomes a crock. what you have there is cohen possibly trying to send a signal to trump, hey, look, you may need to pardon me because if you don't pardon me, i'm going to

sing. i'm going to look out for my family. it's just not crystallized -- >> neil: there's nothing to sing about and he's playing the game. >> that's it. we don't know one way or the other, neil. that's why we're left to speculate out here. i'd tell everybody to chill out. i'd also tell cohen -- not cohen, but the president's lawyer, guliani, shut up, injury a lawyer. you're supposed to see what if anything comes out of this. trying to spin this thing at this time, you're harming your client. >> neil: let me write that down. shut up. thank you very much. good seeing you. >> my pleasure. >> neil: just the notion, the revolution that this came out, began with a "new york times" report, stocks that were moving up in a fairly tepid situation sliced their big games. we ended up down six points. we were up 80 points.

suffice it to say, the concern that there might be another unknown, another variable. as ted pointed out, maybe nothing at all. just not knowing for sure kind of hit stocks. things stabilized. slow day anyway. let's get the read from where this could go and what wall street would worry about in that event. charlie gasparino following this. >> it's been this way throughout the entire saga with mueller and trump. anything that goes to trump, cohen maybe having tapes, if he has one, doesn't take a leap of faith that he might have ten. >> neil: explain that. this is a president that is very good for wall street. he's done well for the economy. the last thing you want is some uncertainty. >> he's done some bad things for the economy in wall street canadianing the trade stuff. the sanctions and tariffs. >> neil: potentially. >> anything that speaks of

uncertainty hurts the markets. listen, you said it before, this is very weird. very strange. this just got stranger on twitter right now where al sharpton, you know who he is, is having some meeting with michael cohen. michael cohen is saying no one better to talk to than al sharpton amid all of this trouble. so this is going to keep getting more and more uncertain for the markets. you have to ask yourself, he probably has two or three or four. that unknown is what drives the markets crazy. >> neil: thanks, buddy. trying to put it out there and get what is straight from what is not. we'll keep you posted. following this tomorrow on "cavuto live." secretary of state mike pompeo says that a second putin-trump summit would be a very good idea. what does the former cia

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>> it's incredibly valuable to the people of the united states of america that the president and vladimir putin engage in dialogue to resolve the difficult issues between these two countries. it makes sense. i hope the meeting will take place. >> neil: better to talk than not despite the talk that the president could have done better in finland. the secretary of state says look, if they meet again, better that than not talking at all. leon panetta is here with us. what to you make of that argument, better to talk than not? >> neil, i feel a lot better about a second meeting if i knew what happened at the first meeting. i think the problem is that because they met without anybody present in the room and the

president has never really provided an explanation to the american people about what was discussed in that meeting, i think it's very difficult to go ahead with another meeting -- >> neil: why would that matter? wait a minute. when bill clinton met with boris yeltsin and others have met in the past with soviet leaders, why should that be blast to the world anyway, especially the private conversations? >> neil, the president of the united states represents the people of our country and our national security. when the president sits down with an adversary, the american people are entitled to know what that president discussed, particularly with putin and russia. >> neil: did bill clinton share -- i'm sorry. but this is important. everybody is getting on the

president over this topic. we don't know what happened. but having said that, why would you want to share that? why would you want to get to the details of that? when bill clinton met with boris yelts yeltsin, i don't remember people complaining about it then. that's why i'm asking. are we being fair? a lot of your colleagues are saying not only that, we want the interpreter that was in the room and question her. that is a very slippery slope, even in interpreters of the past are saying that is nuts. >> you know, neil, let's talk about the basics here. the. of the united states for the first time has a meeting with putin of russia. russia is not our friend. they do everything they can to undermine our security in this country. if they have that kind of meeting, i think the president owes it to the american people

to talk about what was discussed at that meeting, period. i don't think it's too much to ask that that happened. president clinton presented to the american people what was being discussed with individuals. besides that, he had people in the room. he had note takers that were there that could summarize what they talked about. hear we don't know what went on. we're entitled to know. if this was a good meeting, why wouldn't the president of the united states discuss with the american people what happened? we do we allow putin to basically summarize what happened in that meet something that's wrong. >> neil: do you feel it overzealous to say we want to see the notes, we want to talk to the interpreter, we with all this detail. we never had -- leon, think about it. we never had a fuzzy warm relationship with the russians ever. people wanted to know j.f.k., how did you screw up your

one-on-one with nikita khrushchev that railroaded you or george bush sr. we want to know what happened there. if you start going through meeting by meeting, i mean, you can make a case to justify it, but you can also make a case to those leaders that will ever meet with an american president don't meet with the guy because they're going to -- it's going to be publicized to the world. >> neil, you're wrong. when others meet with the president of the united states, they usually have people in the room that are willing to talk about issues that they're familiar with each side and willing to publicly go out and say what they talked about publicly. that's always been the case. so please don't say that somehow this is the usual behavior for presidents -- >> neil: wait a minute. with all great respect, think about what you're saying here.

you're saying then there's a move -- we want to talk to the interpreter in that room and question her what was said. >> i'm not saying that. >> neil: so you're against the leading democrats that are pushing for it. you think that would be a mistake, right? >> i don't think we ought to talk to the interpreter. we ought to talk to the president and the secretary of state about what was discussed in that meeting. that's what i'm saying. >> neil: okay. so would you -- think about this. you say this is very unusual, what's going on right now. when john f. kennedy was talking to nikita khrushchev and communicating through independent channels in the cuban crisis, should the world have been on those discussions? >> the fact is, we know what went on in those discussions. >> neil: much later. much later we knew what went on. >> here -- yeah, but that was in the middle of a major crisis.

this discussion took place in helsinki, not in the middle of a major crisis. two individuals coming together to discuss various issues that affect our countries. we're entitled to know what they talked about. >> neil: all right. so the big issue seems to be that a lot of people with a wink and a nod think that president is beholden of vladimir putin and his behavior being exceptionally nice, exceptionally generous to him. you say because of that behavior, that alone warrants more of an investigation, more studying because something isn't up here. is that what you're saying? >> i think you and other people were very concerned like myself when the president stood up and said he trusts the russians more than he trusts our own -- >> neil: absolutely.

quite comfortable going to the degree would you are here because i worry about the precedence and what has been done in the past. will we start examining notes? not everything is volunteered in these summits. we didn't learn every single detail from gorbachev and reagan. so i'm wondering at what point do you say this is worthy of examination, this is not. >> i saw president putin stand up. he's had 20 years of experience on mr. trump. he presented a clear set of talking points and made a clear case for what he thought was discussed and what was arrived at. i did not hear that from the president of the united states. i think he should have presented what were the points they talked about, what did he agree to.

the fact was, here's russia saying we agree to be able to provide our own diplomats for them to question them. president trump indicated that was not a problem. then of course, after opposition came out to that point, they retracted that. what was agreed to on that issue? aren't we entitled to know? >> neil: you don't worry about what this does in the future for presidents or leaders of countries talking privately? you're suspicious because of their demeanor and how they carried themselves in that public venue. that is a justifiable concern. but you're not worried what would be setting in stone here? >> neil, i served in the white house. there's not a president that i served with that when he met with a major adversary, major person, did not sit down with his policy makers, did not have note takers in the room to take down the notes from that kind of

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china, if push comes to shove, they're all fair game. then what? gary, if the markets were going to tank on that, they had a funny way of showing it. this is normally the pattern. what do you make? it's like whatever. >> almost the same reaction that i have, neil. one, if trump is doing this to get back at the intellectual theft that china has, i completely agree. if it's for some other reason, maybe not so much. when you bore down into it in the big china exports that we import, things like l.e.d. lights, christmas lights, christmas cards, i'm wondering, scratching my head. well, what can't we live without? what can't be imported from vietnam or canada or somewhere else? there's a lot of cry or what may amount to be not that big of a deal. >> neil: maybe because they think that it won't come to pass

and maybe they're right. but the longer this goes on without it being resolved or one side even hinting at blinking, the more i worry. but clearly the markets do not. do you? >> up until now, the trump administration has been relatively controlled. relatively modest in terms of implementing these tariffs or additional trade levies. the comments suggest the administration is willing to step up the policies and increase the barriers to imports coming in from overseas. if we do see these policies put in place, this will have very negative implications for the u.s. economy. china an export driven economy will feel the pain more so. the u.s. will not escape unscathed when we talk about job losses, hits to income. overall loss of productive capacity. the pathway could be getting to a position where we are protecting intellectual property or u.s. goods from counter fit. that pathway of getting to the

end game will be very painful for the u.s. economy. >> not yet though, right, jonas? is that the issue? will we think we will avoid this? >> yes. it's because of the market is a betting mechanism on the few sure shore. let's say there's a 50% chance that this game of chicken ends badly. nobody know what's china is willing to do, not having to face elections, will they send interest rates higher. they can to a number of things that can get ugly for economies. there's a 50% chance that it could be good for both economies because the barriers, most of them, like the tech companies can do business there and you can access or top global websites from china, which you can't do right now in all cases that would be a boost to some stocks. >> neil: gary, i'd like to switch gears. it was an interesting development earlier in the day

when we got this report in "the new york times" that michael cohen had record add conversation with candidate donald trump regarding this alleged payment to this playboy model. it dipped. then you know, regrouped later on. but it's another reminder if we need it that to the right, the left, red or blue, markets are focused on green. they like money. they made a lot with this president and they don't want to see anything that gets in the way of that. >> absolutely. seems that way, you wake up and the first thing i do at 4:30 a.m. is look at twitter. you're right. the markets would love to just focus on earnings. with this administration, maybe even more so than the obama administration, it's almost impossible. that being said, trump has shown a very, very good ability to dodge these potholes and put the focus elsewhere and let the

markets behave as they would. >> neil: yeah, seem to roll the dice on the markets referring that that and the improving economy, lindsey, has been i think -- the term he used with the cnbc interview was the bank's money. that's what we've got going for us. given the earnings that are better than expected, eight out of ten companies have reported, what do you make of that? >> i think definitely the market is focusing on the green shoes, that cherry picking through the data. this is nothing new. back when president trump was candidate trump, the market was focusing on just the pro growth aspects of the trump administration. talking about tax reform, regulatory reform immigration reform and ignoring the anti-business but less beneficial for the economy in terms of trade, in terms of

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that will make that right at this moment. you have to give them encouragement that life goes on and there will be a healing process. >> the amphibious tour was supposed to have the ducks on the lake for 30 minutes. a severe thunderstorm warning came a half hour before the boat capsides. the video shows the boats struggle to stay afloat. the boat went down in 40 feet of water. it's amphibious. it landed wheels down and rolled to a feet of 80 feet. the ntsb has taken over and it's their responsibility to cover the boat and to look at who is to blame. in the end, there's a look at blame but it could be just mother nature. >> neil: thanks, mike. more after this.

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>> neil: using a different twist here. "low wages or violence." knowing letting people suffer is violence. andy with more. >> good to see you, neil. violence is violence. this is not violence. when you agree to pay a wage, it's called employment. it's not called violence. to try to make an entry level job and turn them into violent acts shows a level of desperation and even the scui has not come up with that before. it's a new low. it's an attempt to distort the

english language and the way that you and i got started in our business lives. >> workers shouldn't settle for anything less than $15 an hour. if it means taking to it the next level, so be it. >> right know there's 440,000 job openings in manufacturing, 300,000 job openings in transportation, which are truck drivers. another 250,000 job openings in construction, which indicates significant growth. you can't drive by a restaurant that doesn't have a sign trying to hire people for $10, $11, $12 an hour in excess of the minimum wage. if people want jobs, there are jobs. you can find jobs. there's more job openings than unemployment people. it's happened three months in a row. the first time it's ever happened.

i don't know what these people are trying to do other than trying to establish relevance for themselves as economic growth makes them increasingly irrelevant. >> neil: i'd flip it around. higher wages are around $15. that's more than the average. it was supposed to be so deleterious to the economy. it hasn't, right? we're full employment plus. record low unemployment levels for kids, for minorities, all sorts. women. so maybe the higher minimum wage thing to his point isn't nearly as damaging. what do you think? >> these 11 and $12 wages are being driven by economic growth. they're not -- the states haven't taken minimum wages up to that level. on the way here, i saw a $11 an hour sign. i'm in tennessee. the minimum wage is $7.25. the minimum wage increase is

irrelevant to this. it's economic growth that drove that and competition for employees. when we have employees competing for jobs, wages don't go up and mandating a big dramatic minimum wage increase like $15 an hour kills jobs, lowers incomes and hurts businesses and hurts -- >> neil: the higher wages -- think about it. the higher wages. we're not talking $15 but closing in on it, in the national school of things where people are getting jobs left and right and some jobs go begging, that's even with the higher rate. so you can make an argument that it's not done the damage that some fear. >> as long as it's businesses doing more business and destroying to employees through lower taxes, less regulation, more expenses. as long as that is driving wages

up, you don't have the effects, the job-killing automation and all the things that come in when you compel businesses to raise wages in a low economic growth era. like the obama era where it never got above 2%. we're well above that now and it's driving wages up and people aren't losing jobs and they aren't seeing their incomes diminish. so people like me, we're arguing through the obama administration. let business people to what business people do, which is grow and create jobs. >> neil: all right. andy, like talking to you. you worked in fast food all your life and thin as all get out. good seeing you. thank you. >> thank you. >> andy doesn't have an ounce of fat on him. i hate it. and did you see this? can't we get along here? come away with me barnabas! but i am a simple farmer. my life is here... [telephone ring]

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>> how long has the deep state been there and who is running it? >> well, i want to answer your question. >> i asked you a question. >> your opening statement, as horrible is that donald trump -- >> i'm sorry. that's what you said. you said -- >> whoopi, what is horrible, that he shouldn't be here and murdering -- >> what is horrible, is what the president whips up people to beat the hell out of possible. >> neil: you be the judge. the judge was on that show. she was a guest. visiting their home. it's like if i treated my young colleagues here the same way, which i will.

audio wingman, cat is here with us. carlie is also here and radio host, mike gungleman. whatever you think of the judge, forceful, opinion it thatted, nobody deserved to get traited like that. that was over the top. >> it did. it's hard to have a civil conversation. they told her to get out of here. get out of here. what did they expect judge janine to say when she came on the show to talk about her show, liars, leakers and liberals? she thought trump was bad? don't invite her -- >> fox people are not treated well on that show. >> this was the ultimate hitch-off. they knew what they were going to do when they brought her out and goes a further step to

showing tolerant left is no so tolerant anybody. >> we have come to a part in our society where we lost all respect and decorum for civility between us. we can't have a back and forth because for some reason i'm always right and you're wrong and even if you have an opinion i'm going to think in my head, something is wrong with him. >> there's so -- >> neil: did they apologize afterwards or did whoopie apologize after? >> she had a different version of events than what judge janine said. we have all of these reality tv shows. that was a real representation of real reality tv. look what happened earlier this week. there was this nice actor that had this nice comment about mark shapiro. he had to apologize for saying that she would vote for president trump. so when the other side of the aisle extends themselves, they

get shot down. there's conservatives that hate on democrats as well. it's not one-sided. >> neil: absolutely. >> it's a little different when you're a guest on someone's show. i don't know. i think that that gets -- didn't they do this to bill o'reilly years ago? they walked off the set or -- >> they ganged up. it's whoopi goldberg. >> she's not that way. >> great on "sister act". >> very funny. love the judge. but seems like it got -- >> she wished the judge well. she said i hope your book does well. but it's society -- >> she said that? >> yeah. she said i hope it does good. now it's society. we desen sensitivsensitivizdese. now we're seeing discourse. >> neil: another issue here. the nfl putting a kibosh on

standing for the national anthem. this happened after the miami dolphins said they were going to punish players that opted to kneel during this and all. then it was -- >> they were going their own -- >> neil: but the kibosh is on. >> it's a mess, a disaster. everybody knew that when the fbi -- i mean the nfl -- >> same thing. >> when the nfl put this policy out, they did this and knew it wasn't going to work. now the individual team will put out punishment. they never talked to the player association. >> neil: what if the individual team wants to punish players? >> can they do it? they put a hold on everything. we're in talks with the nfl player as sosation and trying to decide what happens next. the nfl realized that they lost control of this situation this

week when jerel casey said that he would pay the fine to protest. what they realize is that players are going to protest no matter what what means fans will be angry as well. people are going to be angry no matter what. the two sides that won't change their mind and the two sides are very emotional in their beliefs. >> here we are two years later, roger goodell doesn't have control over the issue. >> neil: it's a metaphor for what we just talked about in the first story. we cannot find any common ground. >> and they're linked to the game. putting rules in place that won't be followed. like goodell did with the gentleman in tell investigator -- >> it's a full circle. >> it is. >> neil: no idea what you said. by the way, any of you live in new jersey? >> yes. hoboken. >> neil: they're going to tax water. >> sounds right. >> neil: a tax on water. a 10-cent tax.

over ever 1,000 galloned use. it's a precious resource and -- >> and then they're going to tax air? take a breath and people suffocating on the streets because they can't pay the air tax? >> they will tax everything now. the only reason why marijuana is being taxed is because they can get a revenue from it. they'll tax anything they can once you get a tax, you'll -- >> neil: wasn't it started by environmentalists first? apparently new jersey -- >> how much water you going through? >> they're not calling it a tax. they call it a usage fee. >> neil: that makes it better. >> $32 on your yearly bill, which isn't a lot. it's a principle. >> the only free things left are water and air.

one is going away. >> and jersey, we have the highest property taxes. they want to charge you for brown plastic bags and -- >> in the city they're doing a plastic bag tax because of pollution. >> i'm surprised it didn't happened when governor shamu was in charge. >> neil: oh! >> i'm a loveable guy. >> neil: all right. the new "mama mia" move i have is out. it's not getting the best reviews. any of you remember who abba was? >> it's not getting the worst reviews. it got a 77% on rotten tomatoes. it's supposed to win the box office. >> neil: it's great music. >> i couldn't see a garbage movie like that in my spare time. >> neil: whoa!

did scandinavia tick you off? >> i never heard of a abba song that i enjoyed. >> waterloo. >> neil: you're an abba fan. >> i would have never imagined that. >> "dancing queen" is worse than the maccarana. >> do you like the band as opposed to the movie? >> neil: i don't know the movie. i can't -- my wife wants to see it. >> so you're going to see it. >> it's all good. >> neil: you kids! all right. that will do it here. thank you all very much. had no sleep and they still come. more after this. stick around. ans they won't hike your rates over one mistake. see, liberty mutual doesn't hold grudges. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪

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