hikes. they want to be fairly consistent. they want to make sure their dual mandate is met. i think they will be happy to wait if they feel that would not lead to recession but would indeed bring inflation down. liz: all right, sam, good to have you on a very busy breaking news day. sam's picks, patter sown, target resources and synovis energy. we appreciate you coming on. folks, it is the swings that have been quite dramatic for the dow having been up more than 294 points. now down 525. the big swing, 860 plus points peak to tough and here we go. [closing bell ridges] there are the bells. looks like the s&p down one 1/4% or 63 points. nasdaq down 228. we get the jobs report tomorrow. see you then. ♪.

jackie: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlowon th? but first -- from me on the israel story. president biden called prime

minister netanyahu today and frankly, from the readout we me.

calling for new elections and regime change. that by itself was incredibly disrespectful to our close power. biden is essentially ordering rail to negotiate with hamas. ordering israel to negotiate. but minister barkat told me in

our interview how do you negotiate elderly, raping children? have we forgotten this? has biden forgotten this. one reality overlooked by the white house is israel has overseen food deliveries to gaza are running 80% above prewar levels. another thing reports of casualties or deaths are being inflated by the hamas-run gaza health ministry and are completely wrong and israel has taken unbelievably careful actions to avoid civilian casualties. and haven't we learned that whan

unconditional surrender. and the complete denaziification of germany. this, this is what the the biden white house should be calling for right now. let israel be israel. they must finish the job in south gaza and rafah. it is hamas, it is hamas who should be wiped off the face of the earth. that's my view. all right? now, we will talk to the minister who has become a senior guy, he is the economy minister but has become a key advisor. he was very critical of qatar.

he was very critical of this phone call between biden and netanyahu and i will also say, off the record but on the record, if there is a new election sometime in the next year our minister will probably run for prime minister but we will see. i want you to stick around, folks for this great interview. first up an important conversation with our own peter doocy live at the white house. speeder, i know you're covering this phone call with netanyahu and some other things. thank you for helping us. what can you tell us? >> reporter: larry the call was about half an hour. the readout from the white house said is not anything president biden is doing on camera. it was a paper statement about what they're calling quote, israel's unacceptable actions and that's the kind of thing, the fact it is going on paper that has obama a lump, top speechwriter jon favreau

flagging this on x. the president doesn't get credit for privately enraged when he refuses to use leverage to stop the idf from killing, starving innocent people. these stories only make him look weak. there are 180,000 more a anonymous letter writers with notes by the box dropped off at the white house gates. white house officials are not ready to announce a no. >> reporter: how he is the not waivering? >> come on now. both things are truth. the support is ironclad and consistent. not going to stop. not going to waiver but perhaps be some policy changes we might have to make if we don't see policy changes out of israel? >> reporter: if israel does not present concrete steps to alleviate suffering in gaza and the coming hours or days then it sounds like there will be a change in president biden's position and some of the u.s. aid will help their war against

hamas could be pulled back, larry. larry: peter, just as a question, you had a great dialogue with security, white house security guy. when they say policy changes, if israel doesn't do what we think we, i'm sorry, what the biden administration wants it to do, blah, blah, if they don't follow their roadmap, does that mean that we will withhold, the united states will withhold money, withhold arms, withhold weapons, withhold ammunition? does that sound like the the implication. >> reporter: there are on going threats israel faces from iran and, sounds like the u.s. what we're hearing from the podium will help protect itself from iran. this effort against hamas, particularly as the israelis insist, they have to go into rafah where there are more than

a million innocent civilians basically stuck because they have been trying to get away from the fighting. president biden doesn't want to see that happen happen hazardly. nobody from the israeli side, including guests here at white house, presented a clear plan how to protect those people. so whatever gets with held at this point, if that happens, because, they're not satisfied what they're hearing coming hours and days it would be specific to the israel war against hamas. larry: got it. peter doocy, thank you very much. appreciate your time. take care. all right, folks, a little while ago, i spoke to one of the leading members of the israeli cabinet. take a listen, please. joining me now to talk about the whole israel situation, we have mr. nehr barkat, israeli minister of the economy industry. formerly the mayor of jerusalem, former tech ceo and former idf paratrooper. minister, welcome back.

>> thank you, lair. thank you very much for hosting me. larry: so biden talked to netanyahu today. we have the notes and readout. it looks extremely disappointing to me with respect to israel. one of the points i will make and let you comment on this, mr. biden said he made clear u.s. policy with respect to gaza will be determined by our assessment of israel's immediate action on these steps. then he talks about the need for the prime minister to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home. i don't see anything in this that favors israel or says the united states will continue to help israel, particularly with weapons munitions and money, but what do you make of this? this is breaking news as we talk. >> our expectation from our best friend in the world the united states of america, to support us fighting the nazis.

the nazis that are holding these girls captive underneath the tunnels. that get raped every day. i spoke to the family of these victims. we expect the united states of america to understand that the biggest enemy we have is iran and qatar. they are funding terror all over the world. they have blood on their hands. they are evil. we expect to align interests against the must lump brotherhood that are threatening the world, not just israel. the attack on october 7th was a brutal, intentional attack, raping women. they cut heads off of soldiers around played soccer with them. put little babies in a oven. these are not angels. these are evil terrorists. they are jihadists want to kill all israelis, all jews. while we're the small satan, the united states is the big satan. we have a common enemy. we anticipate and we expect to see alignment together against

evil. now we don't need to be lectured about human lives and innocent lives. we will do everything we can to make sure that people that are not engaged, that are not involved, minimal damage, and we will do everything we can. we don't need to be put on the spot because we are in the same side and we need america to be on our side, not to push us to the wrong direction. after things like this, you know what happens with hamas? they, they're happy. they toughen negotiation stand. they give candy to everyone. larry: they would still exist. what troubles me as i hear biden, blinken, sullivan, you would have some kind of negotiated deal with conditions. >> who do you negotiate with? with somebody that wants to kill you? larry: it doesn't say you will annihilate hamas which is the original war game we. >> you don't leave a quarter of

the nazis. you finish the nazis. they are nazis. nazi propaganda was found in houses in gaza, translated to arabic. these are evil people. they want to destroy us. if you're a businessman, do you want to negotiate a deal with somebody that wants to take you out of business. they want to throw us from israel. they want to throw us to the sea. that is the charter, when they had the opportunity to surprise, october 7th, committed those atrocities. i anticipate and expect the western world as one to unite against the evil, to unite against them. larry: so you want unconditional surrender and you have to go through, right, southern gaza, to rafah. you have to take that part of it out. now, i understand that but what i don't understand is, the biden position. he is not saying that unconditional surrender. he is not saying go and take rafah and the whole south of

gaza. this, i find very troubling. >> israel is united to finish the job. the huge majority of israelis understand, that we need to eliminate hamas off the face of the earth. it's not only our charge -- i was in the emirates a month ago. there was a world trade organization conference and i spoke to many, many people, and when you speak to the people in that region they understand that the evil alignment, the evil alignment of iran and qatar, funding terror all over the world. do you know how much blood is on their hands? when they buy their way into america, they're buying their money with capital which is blood capital, evil capital. they want to destroy, they're playing two hands. like a wolf in sheep's clothes. larry: you said that on another network. >> yes. larry: you are very skeptical about the role of qatar. >> they're an enemy. their charter and goal being part of the muslim brotherhood

alliance. their goal is to spread jihad and sharia law all over the world. they're doing it in a soft way and you know what we've learned on october 7, larry? there is no more gray. it is black and white. larry: of course. >> you are part of the alignment gap the jihadists or you're part of it. you can't play two hands. the world has to start waking up that qatar is as big as of an enemy as iran and by spreading their, their jihad strategy in alliance with, they invested in isis. they invested in hamas. they invest, and by the way they're buying in all over the world to try to tilt public opinion against israel and against the west. larry: are these reasons why israel took out this commander of the cued forces, the iranian commander of the kudsi forces

and are you expecting iran to retaliate for this. >> we have war with iran. they're using proxies. we have our eyes open. we understand the plans -- by the way they took responsibility for the october 7 massacre. they took responsibility and we see the footprints of iran. larry: yes. >> all over our region. larry: yes. >> so we understand that this is a strategic way for them to fight israel and by the way, again, we're the small satan. the u.s. is the large satan. larry: but the u.s. has not imposed the sanctions on iran. they have allowed iran, right, to sell oil to china for example and get foreign exchange reserves up to 60 or $70 billion. when trump left office they were broke and oil was 40. now they have 50, 60, $70 billion and oil is close to 100. that gives them the resources to finance the hamas, the hezbollah

it is an incredible story and i'm just saying -- >> larry, that is the point. the point is -- larry: people in the united states who are behind israel are aghast, it is jaw-dropping that the biden administration has backed off from the absolute, i say absolute defense of israeli statehood, the existential effort to maintain statehood. biden's backed off on that. i don't get it. >> larry, we need bipartisan support. i think that october 7 actually opened up an opportunity for everyone to understand who the real enemy is. larry: you have chuck schumer, they will have new elections, what things, how does that -- that doesn't help you, does it? >> it helps hamas. larry: yeah, thank you. >> the fact that hamas thinks that there may be differences of

opinion between our best friend the united states of america which we want to thank so much for the support that we do get, they give candy out because they think that they can outlast the war. the pressure put on israel, instead of on them, is helping hamas toughen their negotiation stand. you had qatar laughing from the sides because they don't want a deal. they want hamas to win. they're on their side. and we're all getting carried away, instead of uniting together against to choose side. you can't play two sides. larry: i must ask before we leave, and we're honored to have you back. >> my pleasure.

larry: will the prime minister, yourself and the cabinet, will you engage in these negotiations with hamas that mr. biden apparently said today in his phone call with netanyahu? will you negotiate with hamas? >> we did negotiate through protection sy -- proxies, bring numerous people, women, unfortunately all of them in the first round and we were only able to get a reasonable deal on the table because we pressured hamas. and the pressure has to come not just from israel. very unfortunate that we had friendly fire and people killed. people talk about the aid workers, it is a tragedy, and we're really sorry. we'll do everything we can to express that, that feeling. i want to remind everyone, more

than 30 israeli soldiers were killed. we didn't do that on purpose. and three of the hostages that escaped hamas were killed by our troops, by accident. so, that's not deliberate. we're very sorry because they're innocent. they were good people that were killed but who did kill, deliberately is hamas. october 7th. larry: yes. >> they would do it again and again once they had the opportunity. they are the evil. we will do everything we can, just to go after hamas and you know, we want neighbors like the emirates, like the saudis. the change in their education system. the saudis years ago changed education system from being negative and anti, for peace and love. so did the saudis did that two weeks ago. we want to see the palestinians next to us train their children to love, not to hate. not to kill juice. they're paying a million dollars for a palestinian that kills a jew, a million dollars. we need to change that.

when we're like the emrought at thises and saudis, peace will come to the region. we have to eliminate hamas and promote new behavior of the palestinians. that is the backing and we expect we want from the american administration. larry: minister barkat, you have many, many friends here. >> thank you very much. larry: here in the united states and we appreciate your time. >> thank you, my friend. larry: i know you're very busy. all right, that was something else. i will tell you, something else. anyway, next up, i will talk about life, liberty and the pursuit of zuck-a-bucks with the great congresswoman claudia tenney. please stay with "kudlow". ♪. salonpas lidocaine flex. a super thin, flexible patch with maximum otc strength lidocaine that contours to the body to relieve pain right where it hurts. and did we mention, it really, really sticks?

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larry: all right, let's, first of all we have the great claudia tenney here, that's number one. i don't want to let that go. what is the award? israel heritage -- >> foundation award. larry: last night. >> i work on israel and iran as well. larry: i want to talk about other things, zuck-a-bucks, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. you saw the interview? what do you think? >> we are bungling this. the biden administration is a disaster. under president trump we had the

abraham accords, historic. pressure campaign on iran was working. we've gone in the reverse direction. now we're actually enabling, emboldening hamas and our enemies there. that is what this feckless, weak, policy from the biden administration is doing and it is really dangerous. the middle east, we were on our way to peace and prosperity is a powderkeg. larry: you know it is interesting. i don't know if the linkages are exact but as biden has blundered through this, biden, schumer, blinken, that whole crowd, as they blunder through this, the price of oil has jumped up markedly, okay? from 70 bucks to 90 bucks plus. it was up again today. i don't know what brent crude was, i think it is 95, headed towards 100. i would use that as a measure for a potential of some kind of a blowup in the middle east. you usually see it in the oil markets. we haven't up until now. so this is unbelievable.

let me come back home. i appreciate your conversation. let me come back home. zuckabucks, which had a big role in the 2020 election, unfortunately, zuck-a-bucks ruled out in in wisconsin, right? what do you think of that? do you think that will move around the country? >> i love that, wisconsin in statewide memorandum, eliminate private sector funding. zuckabucks, 119 put in by mark zuckerberg, in the swing states to prime the pump to make sure joe biden was able to win. this is so important, the 2020 election was decided by 42,000 votes. entire election, election caused the ruin of the united states over the last 3 1/2 years, real disaster with all the policies, reversing great trump policies, whether economic, foreign affairs, we're just touching on, the great thing about the thing with wisconsin, some states already done it. governor desantis did it in

florida. a number of states passed this the danger that we're facing now, yes, this is important, it's wisconsin, there was an executive order, for all your nerds out there, 147019, that biden put into play that incentivises and causes all of our agencies, those are all the giant agencies, all those under the executive branch. larry: federal age is. >> health and human services hud, sba, all of them are now tasked with the job of collecting ballots and getting their people -- larry: whoa, whoa. >> using taxpayer money, almost a billion dollar. this is electioneering. it is illegal. larry: there are people working at hhs? >> hhs. larry: can go out and count mail-in ballots and harvest them? that is unbelievable. >> guidance came down. we have javier ba baba. why are we telling people go off to hhs people, should be focused

on their mission, not luck shen earring, not dropboxes. when you hear the word drop bongs that is cheating for democrats. i say this to people when you have a dropbox, if you were going to win the lottery, do you think that say you won the billion dollar lottery that is out there, would you put your winning ticket in a dropbox? absolutely not. we have to make voting great again. we have to make it sacred. larry: claudia, hang on, there is another federal thing. biden has proposed an eight billion dollar climate corps. little climate tears i caught them, they get a lot of benefits including canceled student loans, which is unconstitutional from the supreme court, but, but, eight billion, 50,000 people, okay? 50,000 little climateers, all right? i'm saying, that will be harvesting. they will go out and harvest their little climateeer tuchuses off. >> there will be more federal bureaucrats.

larry: right. >> they are will be given the incentives slash vote harvesters or vote traffickers. the whole mission is to make sure joe biden wins again. they do anything and everything. whether so-called lawfare, malicious prosecution happening to trump everywhere and now creating all of these bureaucrats to go out and actually engaining in electioneering which is not legal. that is why we have laws in place that say experts need to be dealing with elections. not health and human services people, sba. hud. larry: this is aimed at trump. this is aimed at trump. >> power. winning for the democrats taking over our country. larry: they will do anything. >> abuse of power all the way. larry: last one, 30 seconds, on this related subject, will illegal immigrants in the country, i don't know how many there are, eight million, 10 million, 15 million, will they be able to vote? >> how will they be know? they will be assigned ballots and they get in the box.

while republicans focus on policy, which we must. we see trump leading in six out of seven swing states. we need to be focused on process. we need to get the ballots in the box. that is what we got to do. we have to focus on that. the democrats are doing that using taxpayer dollars, through bureaucrats through the new climate corporation, bureaucrats over massive federal agencies will be collecting ballots. there will be huge effort in the swing states where it matters and this election will be decided. larry: focus on all that stuff. claudia tenney, i told you the great claudia tenney. it is that simple. next up, i have a bad story, stocks crashing again today. what's going on there? we have art laffer, we have david bahnsen that will weigh in on that. plus liz peek and joe concha, on trump's new voter coalition, pushing him ahead in the swing states as the great claudia tenney suggested just a moment ago. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. ♪. are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa?

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♪. larry: well, well, stocks absolutely crashed today, down 530 points t goss worse as the day wore on. our expert gerri willis, standing by with the whole story. gerri, what can you tell us? >> reporter: larry, it was a terrible day, worst in a year. stocks turning negative, crashing, oil prices spiking that followed a consensus call between president joe biden and benjamin netanyahu. the dow closing down 530 points. s&p 500 off 64. the nasdaq off 228. all of this 1% and more. that was an 800 point swing intraday for the dow. biden calling for an immediate cease-fire in gaza and demanding netanyahu take immediate steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering and safety of workers, i quote the president. reports iran was threatening a strike on israel in the next 48 hours, possibly by drone. also unsettled traders and markets raising concerns of an

escalation of hostility by iran which previously relied on proxies to attack israel. on those worries west texas intermediate hitting the highest level since october 20th, settling at 86.50 a gallon. that is up 1.4%. brent moved through psych lodgeally level of 90 bucks a barrel, settling at 91.30. fed governors were talking weighing in on prospect for lower rates. most calling for a pause before rates are lowered so the fed can keep an eye on inflation. tomorrow of course the all-important jobs report. we'll keep an eye on that. larry: gerri, i think your language, you think your linkage between the stock market, oil and the middle east and the cease-fire, biden, i think you're brilliant, i think you're 100% right. something is cooking and it ain't good. we appreciate you always, thank you. all right, folks, we'll bring in our guests right away. we have david bahnsen here. what is david bahnsen's book.

i'm skipping through the text. let's go right to it. wait. david bahnsen, managing partner of the bahnsen group. the author of full-time work and the meaning of life. arthur's book, "taxes have consequences" is that right any know it by heart. >> you got it. larry: art laffer, my dearest friend, who should have had a nobel prize 30 years ago. david, you're here. market going down. gerri willis made i thought some very interesting connections. i don't know this is about the economy t may be about fears in the middle east, what do you think? >> what is interesting as bond yields came down and the stock markets are down. we've had a total correlation with stocks and bonds and bonds going higher on the day that stocks drop. today was a little bit opposite. oil was up, not that much, 86, 87. but it was up. it had been up. it was 75 now it is over 85. i think there is permanent instability in the middle east but it is heightened and i don't

think markets know what to make of it but i just want to remind people, markets went up the week after that horrific hamas attack. markets never really known how to price middle-eastern instability. larry: don't know how to price middle-eastern instability. art laffer, story today, front page of "the wall street journal" by greg ip. he is a good reporter. we've known greg ip for many years. >> yep. larry: what is wrong with the economy, he blames people, it is you, not the data. the problem joe biden should have much higher approval ratings because the economy is really very good and the people out there who keep polling that the economy is not good, they're just dumb little bumblebees and we shouldn't listen to them. who's right and who's wrong here? >> i think the article's wrong in saying it's the people that are at fault, not the economy. when you look at it prices are rising. they're not rising as fast as they were but we're up something like 18, 19% since biden came into office.

if you look at employment to population, the participation rate, that's at a very, very low level. even though it may be rising a little bit now. it's really not doing well. this is a workerless economy to be honest with you. unemployment rate of low but the employment rate is very low. interest rates are high, four 1/2, 4.3%, but the one i like to look at most of all, larry, that really shocks my, is the gold price and the cryptocurrency bitcoin price. you know the dollar is falling very, very sharply relative to gold. it is up to 2300 plus, larry. that's really very high. if you look at crip co, of course, crypto prices are all-time highs would tell you that the dollar is at all-time lows. now we are strong relative to other currencies but that just means we're the tallest midget in the crowd as they say. it is just not a good economy and i'm worried. larry: it is interesting, on your price level indicators, which we all used to use in the days of wayne angell and manley

johnson and are still quite useful -- >> yes. larry: the crb index is way up. it is up i don't know how much, up 25% from last fall. >> exactly. larry: along with the gold move. david bahnsen, with the greg ip article, greg is a nice guy, i'm not here to chase after him. the economy is quite strong and people keep polling in these surveys are incorrect. i make another point. borrowing costs are high. not in the cpi used to be in the cpi. mortgage rates over 7%. if you buy a new car, pay 8 or 9%. if you buy a used car, pay about 12%. credit card rates can be 25% plus. i think that has something to do with the pessimism among people who, up to their eyeballs in debt, but what do you think? >> let me give you the most objective answer i can, obviously not meant to be partisan at all.

the problem for people who expect this happened last year we would have a big recession, no one is paying those higher borrowing costs. no one is buying a new home. volume pupil collapsed. no one wants to sell, get rid of a lower mortgage. after rate people are paying on their mortgage in america? it is still about 3%. new mortgage it is seven but most people are paying three. a lot of companies didn't need to go to the bond market for expensive borrowing costs because they already borrowed back when rates were lowered. the fed knows all this stuff is coming. there is a cliff out there as far as borrowing cost. so far they have gotten away with it but there is an expiration date on that. larry: expiration date. arthur, jay powell is back in the news. everyone is speculating about the fed but, listen, i will take greg ip's article, because i think the data, the gdp-related data has been much stronger than many people expected including me. i said this several times, and the slowdown that bahnsen talked about really never happened,

okay? prices are still rising. labor markets are strong. in other words, i don't think, art, there is any reason, any non-political reason for the fed to cut interest rates and if they do i think they will be accused of juicing the economy to promote joe biden's re-election, in which case all bloody hell is going to break out against the fed. all right, what do you think about this situation? i just got a minute for you. >> yeah, i don't think you're right about the economy being strong. if you look at it from trump trend we're way below we would have been had there been no pandemic. if you look at some of the other things, employment, it is not great, larry but i do think you're completely correct on interest rates. given therapy model of the world there is no reason on earth why they would lower interest rates. 2% is way too high of a target honestly. the price of gold is way up and the price of bitcoin is way up. inflation is not licked by any way, shape or form.

you have got energy prices now rising which will bleed into the spot commodity prices, will bleed into cpi and ppi. no, i think you're right, they shouldn't lower interest rates given what they brief about the economy. larry: i have to leave it there we're all backed up. art laugh fir, thank you very much, david bahnsen we appreciate it. folks we'll have a super parnell. we've got joe concha, we've got liz peek, and if that weren't incredible enough, we've got lee zeldin, all right? we'll talk about life, liberty about and the pursuit of israel and the pursuit of swing state poles. i'm "kudlow." we'll be right back. please hang around with us. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪ in theaters now. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white

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larry: we're hopping right to it, joining us liz peek, fox news contributor, syndicated columnist, joe concha, fox news contributor, best-selling author, and lee zeldin, former new york congressman, chair of afpi pathway to 2025, lee zeldin, former, should have been the governor. left's play a quick bite from my interview earlier in the show pro israeli prime minister, bar keith. listen please. >> i did not hear one word demanding hamas to surrender. i expect people to say, hamas surrender. we will haunt you all over the

world. qatar, we're going to haunt you from now on. you have to choose sides. you can't play two sides. larry: boy, powerful stuff. lee zeldin, you worked on this issue a lot as a house member, generally speaking. we talked about the need for unconditional surrender. we talked about the need for dehamasification, like denaziification. minister, i didn't hear any of that from biden or blinken. what is up with this? >> right after october 7th, we heard moral clarity coming from the administration but they have surrendered what they knew to be the right response for what is a pollster, a consultant's advice of what needs to change in order to be able to compete in a place like michigan. that was a great interview from earlier. hopefully anyone who missed it will go back and watch the entire conversation and you can feel the pain. larry: thank you. yes, that -- >> coming from one is a leader of an allied nation seeing the united states throwing israel under the bus to win michigan?

man, that should be disqualifying. larry: to win a congressional district in michigan. it is almost that bad and that small. by the way, he is going to be prime minister. has a very good chance being prime minister when the elections come around. liz, i want to change the subject because time is very short. "wall street journal" poll, trump leading in six out of seven of the swing states, doing very well with african-americans, doing very well with latinos, but, but, but, doing very well with young people who flocked to biden in 2020. i think that's a very interesting hook. >> yeah i think there are two things going on. one goes back to your conversation about israel. young people have been fed the lie, a lie, that israel is the oppressor nation and basically all over the country they are believing that hamas is the victim, that people in gaza, look, people in gaza are suffering, but guess what? they supported hamas. so this is a huge issue for joe biden, so it isn't just one

congressional district. it is young people. there has been a swing of 15 points at least in terms of young people supporting trump. the other leg of that stool though, without a doubt and we talked to people on the show, larry, young people can't buy a car, they can't buy a home, they can't get started in the economic ladder of america. larry: borrowing costs are -- >> terrible. larry: breadbasket that you have every day has gone up so much, whatever it is, 10, 11, 1200 bucks for the year. you're right there is disenchantment. joe biden, the other -- joe concha, i was watching one of the other shoes, mark penn, very good pollster, mark said trump has lead among trump but the democrats will come home as the election nears. what do you think about what mark said? >> mark is a smart guy, however

i think conditions on the ground would have to change. inflation has to not keep rising. we can't see the border wide open where our national guard troops are overrun. here is what i do know about the polling. in 2016 hilary led wire-to-wire. biden essentially led wire-to-wire. the fact that trump is even up by the margins that we're seeing in north carolina, georgia, nevada, pennsylvania, michigan, that is telling. that he never led when he won in 2016. maybe even undervaluing his support. larry: so i think you're asking the right question. what's going to change? and i don't know that. >> can ininterpose one thing? larry: real fast. >> two swing states that i think are a problem, nevada and arizona. why? because they will come home and why? because there is abortion is on the ballot in those two states. two swank states. they have abortion to bring home, young women, young people in general. that is something republicans have to watch out for. larry: lee zeldin i have to come to you but i'm looking at clock.

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