the nasdaq is losing steam, down 77. here we are, closing bell, ringing and i'm heading to washington, d.c. to interview the imf chief christine lagarde tomorrow. join us all, we're live even though the markets are closed. david, melissa. over to you. david: bon voyage. as the bell rings, u.s. drops "mother of all bombs" on afghanistan. it ended the day down 135 points. this is the lowest level of the week. s&p and nasdaq selling off into the holiday weekend. i'm david asman. glad you can join us. melissa: i'm melissa francis. this is "after the bell." here is what we have for you at this hour. president trump sending a clear signal to the world as a non-nuclear weapon is dropped on afghanistan. latest details of white house an the pentagon. north korea says prepare for a

big important event this weekend. uh-oh. what kim jong-un may have for his biggest national holiday. that has the u.s. and japan on high alert. there is unusual twist. how north korea's defiance may have a positive impact on the u.s. coal industry. we'll explain that one. you will like it. it is a good one. david: there was the huge bomb, bigger other than nuclear that was sent to afghanistan. stocks tumbled on the news of the bombing. we had it for years. we never used until today. the dow ending down about 137 points. this is down for the week. let's go straight to ashley webster at the new york stock exchange. ashley, what caused the late-day selloff. ashley: it is interesting, david. i think that was pretty much expected going into the session today, the last one before the long weekend. there was a belief i think you could say there would be some sort of a selloff late in the afternoon. people, investors taking money off the table before they head off to enjoy three days of r&r.

we saw the market, if you look at the dow intraday and s&p, we headed down on the news of the giant bomb but we didn't see the mother of all sell-offs. no doubt about that they want action from washington. there are concerns about tensions with north korea, syria, russia, all of that is baked in. news of the bombing certainly added to that sentiment. overall not surprised that the selling really picked up in the last half hour. money, where is that going? let's take a look at defense stocks because this is interesting. defense stocks got a boost as you might imagine with news of the military action. we did finish higher although they waivered in the selloff in the last half hour. united technologies finishing down, but the rest of them general dynamics raytheon, northrop grumman, with slight gains. we talked about safe havens, how about gold? money continued to pour into

gold, up 10 bucks at $1288. russ koesterich, head after big fund at blackrock, his team is buying gold, treasurys because of gold, political risks. that is from a portfolio manager at blackrock. a risk-off is in the air. late-day selloff into a three-day weekend. markets are closed tomorrow, blackrock is focus of what they have done in the past. interesting the timing. maybe now they're coming out with it after they bought the gold hoping others will join. maybe they're sitting on what they have. ashley: may be. david: for whatever reason if you're holding gold it's a good deal. ash, thank you. joaning me jonathan hoenig, capitalist pig hedge fund and kevin kelly recon partners. kevin i think it was knee-jerk reaction the moment they heard about the big bomb. is that the reason why the market stayed down or more they didn't want to hold going into a

holiday weekend? >> think one of the biggest things the banks didn't give market as reason to buy stocks. there is a the second largest sector in the s&p 500. we saw bank earnings coming out today. they weren't that great. they didn't have a good guidance going forward. that lent credence into a long holiday weekend. why would you own stocks given twothe uncertainty? weeks. we bombed syria and bombed isis in afghanistan. there will be more uncertainty and banks are leading the market. david: jonathan, there was another bomb, rhetorical bomb by president trump where he was talking down the dollar. we had huge growth in the dollar, accompanying growth in the stock market since the election. he is talking up janet yellen who he was done on during the entire campaign. what do you make of that all? >> it is geopolitical uncertainty, david, with the

bomb and uncertainty about relations with russia and north korea. political uncertainty, last 48 hours dramatic economic reversals on the president, ex-im bank or the dollar and investors are surprised and throwing up their hands. david: does it bother you, jonathan that janet yellen was the worse fed president during the campaign and might now reappoint her? >> it is very concerning not because the street is against janet yellen, but investors are trying to look long term, a year, out in the future. when you have the economy seemingly so praatically guided from one policyo the next without real direction, i think that gives investors pause. melissa: president trump playing a strong hand on health care making a threat aimed at forcing democrats into negotiations. gerri willis has been following this story. gerri, so what exactly is the president threatening to do? >> hi, there, melissa, president

trump telling "the wall street journal" he is willing to withhold government sponsored copayments and deductibles for some of the poorest health care recipients. that is something that health care experts would trigger a health care meltdown. if that proves only to be that, a threat, the nation's exchanges are in deep, deep trouble. knoxville, tennessee, may be the very first city in the country where obamacare fails. as it stands 40,000 people in the area will be left with no option to buy a policy when they sign up for coverage later this year. the only insurer on tennessee's exchange, humana said they will exit the pool in 2018. why? because it's too unbalanced. in english that means customers in knoxville tend to be sicker and too few healthy people are enrolled. the state's insurance commissioner had this to say. >> right now there are not going to be any options for you to buy any policies on the exchange and therefore there won't be any

policies available using a tax credits or premium subsidies? >> tennessee isn't alone, 1000 counties over customers only a single insurer according to american action forum. if the government walks away they would be left with no options. they are losing a lot of money providing coverage on the exchanges. by standard & poor's, standard of premiums consumers pay out on exchanges, they're still under water they are still under water after paying administrive costs. she is working hard to find viable solutions. million list sachs as toss it back to you, i got to say you wonder if the irs will force people to pay the fine for not having coverage if there are no options in their state? melissa: yeah, that is a great question. we'll see, gerri. thank you so much. jonathan and kevin, are back to react. jonathan, what a mess? >> i'm not surprised the

popularity of obamacare is growing melissa. almost the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. a lot of americans, let alone investors are kind of scratching their head. what is the president's, what are republicans plans? you know he, president essentially as i understand it talking about using health care as cudgel, letting it disintegrate to get a deal with democrats. that people's lives he is talking about. that he has a sell job to make exactly what his plan is for health care. melissa: at the same time, kevin, i mean it's a mess. everybody needs to get together and make a deal. i don't fault the president for where we are right now. i mean it seems like, it is idea of people getting together and actually trying to work on it. he is the let's make a deal guy. i don't know the other sides are really interesting coming to the table. he is trying to force them there. what do you think? >> regardless whether the republicans are able to do anything obamacare is going to implode. it is a ticking time bomb. its with structured you don't

need to buy health insurance until you're sick. it es broken from the start. the democrats are part of the problem or the solution and they don't want to be part of the solution and that is the biggest impediment we're having to getting health care reform right now. president is trying to tip their hand right now, saying listen, it will blow up one way or another. but the biggest problem we have now we're having higher incidence of chronic diseases and illnesses. we have aging population. average bmer is turning 65 in 2018 and unfunded liabilities from medicare and medicaid. something needs to be done. melissa: jonas people have to pay for what they're using. nobody wants to do that because it is painful. they're trying to shift the cost to the magic rich person to pay. that is not going to work. >> people have to pay for health care. you know. melissa: right. >> the big debate going back to 2008 with obamacare was, should government be involved in health

care in america? the republicans not only lost that debate in my opinion but now they have kind of given up all together. even the president now admitting that government will have some role in health care delivery and management in this country. just a question how big and how extensive. that is what -- melissa: who can do it efficiency? we've lost all efficiency. that is what drives me crazy. we're throwing all the money out there. it is not get spent properly. it is getting lost and wasted. it is not being done efficiently. >> you have lawyers and lobbyists a cadre on k street vying for their own interests or generic drugs, what have you. starting with the overhaul of the fda trying to push things through. there is a lot to be done. it will take time. why this administration trying to push it through first, that didn't work. they need to focus on tax cuts, not necessarily reform. melissa: got to go, guys, appreciate it. david: take out the middleman. too many middle men in the health care, government

bureaucrats, k street, get them out. melissa: right. david: another scandal rocking the va. details from a new scathing report released early because of the dire need to warn vets and their families as soon as possible. melissa: north korea telling the world to be prepared for a big event this weekend. my goodness. what north korea has planned that has the u.s. on high alert. vid: president trump sending a signal to the world and isis as largest non-nuclear bomb is used first time ever dropped on afghanistan. this is not what happened in afghanistan but shows you the power of the weapon. in a moment reaction from retired four-star general jack keane. >> there is a new sheriff in town and the world is beginning to take notice. ♪

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david: ramping up the fight against isis, the u.s. military dropping what is called the "motof all bombs." it is actually the acronym for the official name. this is the first time this weapon has ever been used, this time in afghanistan, after the death of a green beret who went into a very dangerous area. we're getting this new video of a test run. blake burman live at the white house with the latest. better to send in a bomb than live american soldiers, right? reporter: david, this bomb 21,000 pounds. give you context the tomahawk missiles went into syria the other day? 1000 pounds each. what we know from the white house this occurred five hours or so ago, 7:30 local time in afghanistan. they say the point here, the mission here was target those caves around tunnels in eastern afghanistan that are the lifeline of isis fighters there. however a defense official is pushing back on the notion that

this might have been in retaliation for the death of that green beret over the weekend. instead that defense official telling fox about the weapon, quote, it was the right weapon for the right target. president trump spoke about this a little while ago, and hailed this not only departure from the past, but also a current success. >> if you look at what's happened over the last eight weeks, and compare that to really what happened over the last eight years, you will see there is a tremendous difference. this was another very, very successful mission. reporter: this drop also comes, david, as north korea could potentially launch an underground nuclear test this weekend. take a look at the satellite images here. these are of interest to folks who follow this thing. coincidencal or not this weekend is the day of the sun in north korea, a major holiday for that country. if this nuclear test happens, it would be the sixth one of its kind by the north koreans. here at the white house

president trump was asked whether or not this would send a message, the mission in afghanistan ward pyongyang and he backed off that notion. listen. >> i don't know if this sends a message. it doesn't make any difference if it does or not. north korea is a problem. the problem will be taken care of. i will say this, i think china has really been working very hard. reporter: you heard him mention there china. president trump once again today, continuing to heap praise on president she xinping of that country, he likes him, respects him and called him quote a terrific person. the president clearly wants to use china to de-escalate north korea. i leave you with this. we talked about afghanistan. north korea. no mention of syria. that was a week ago. the president who came in as businessman, clearly entering role as commander-in-chief. david: taking care of business. melissa. melissa: retired four-star general jack keane, former army

chief of staff, fox news military analyst. sir, thank you for joining us. what is your reaction to what happened today? >> this is another step in the right direction. what president trump has done since january 20 is given his commanders in areas where we are conducting conflict operations, given them the authority to conduct strikes as they see fit, to move forces as they see fit, and not to ask the white house for permission. micromanaging of the military is over. if we're going into a new era where we have not done conflict operations like last week where we struck syria, they come to the white house to get the president's authority for that operation. commanders are talking about freedom of action and because of that our operations will definitely be more effective. melissa: sounds like what you're saying with this, this was the right move in the right territory as he opposed to president trump sending a message? >> no.

it has nothing to do with a message. the commander on the ground, he has a tunnel bunker and cave complex. he has the enemy centralized as opposed to spread out all over the place. this is gps guided bomb. this is nasty toy in our arsenal to be frank bit. it is large, 21,000 pounds. you get blast overpressure but get incendiary fuel which seeps into the caves and bunkers and creates fire, fireballs. this is nasty weapon, but very purposeful for what this target is all about. melissa: let me ask you. this situation has been around for a long time. we've been in this country for a long time. we've had this weapon for a while. could we have done this earlier? >> it depends on whether the enemy was as concentrated as i think they are now to be able to deal with. so i can't really speculate about that. and i'm not convinced, even if

the commanders wanted to use it that the obama boys in the white house would let them do it. melissa: right. that was kind of where i was going with that. >> totally speculation on my part. but given all the lawyers that are involved in that process in the obama administration, unlikely we could use it. melissa: lacking confidence in the president. more than half of americans, 56% are quote, uneasy about president trump's ability to handle north korea. this is according to a "cbs poll." this as new satellite images that north korea could be preparing for another nuclear test according to a monitoring group. what do you think about this, general? especially in light of the decisive moves we've seen by the president and by the military in the last two weeks? >> i think the six nuclear test is likely because of the anniversary of kim il son on saturday. we're likely see something.

they never let this milestone go by without some kind of provocative act. whether it is that or missile testing we'll see but i think, i think possibly, i don't want to get too much out in front of it, but i have had more optimism now than i have had in sometime dealing dealing with china here. we've had three presidents, 20 plus years, trying to leverage the chinese, melissa, to encourage the north koreans to denuclearize. they all failed. economic and diplomatic options all failed. this president has a relationship with the chinese president that no previous president has had, and i believe, at least the rhetoric coming back from president xi has been this, he is willing to move in the direction of denuclear rising korea. that is a stunning statement f that turns from rhetoric to action, then the president of the united states truly accomplished something here. melissa: general jack keane,

thanks for coming on. we always appreciate your wisdom. good talking to you. >> thank you, melissa. david: if that is true, the first time that was done through three or four administrations. this is going on for decades. both republicans and democrats have been getting away with this. melissa: when all the rhetoric coming up to do was the set up, the economic pressure to come in and make friends. david: china is absolutely doing it. melissa: we'll lay off. david: they're buying our coal in the process. that is not bad. spying on the trump team. turns out the fbi was conducting surveillance on a former trump campaign advise score. was it warra political. united airlines still under fire after violently dragging a passenger off the flight. how the passenger's atrney turning the incident into a tionalovement. listen. >> are we going to continue to be treated like cattle, bullied, rude treatment?

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david: we're hearing of more government surveillance on the trump team. the fbi obtaining a fisa warrant to monitor communications that means wiretapping of former trump campaign advisor carter page as part of an investigation into the campaign's possible ties to russia or at least his ties to russia. page responding earlier. take a listen. >> there is tons of false evidence, whether primarily related to that dodgy dossier which ser harry reid last august sent director comey. who knows what the exact basis of. i really look forward to seeing it. david: here is bill gavin, former fbi assistant director. he is assiduously non-political. i don't want you embroiled in the politics of this. who actually request as fisa warrant?

is it an fbi agent, a guy from the justice department. who is it? >> investigator to begin with requests the fisa warn but it gets complicated. you conduct a investigation, you have to prove when you go into the fisa, get an affidavit for the fisa warrant, you have to prove that is the only way you can get the information. conventional investigation will not -- david: bill, i have to say the proof doesn't seem to be too high because of the 10,711 warrants in a five-year period he only denied about a dozen. in other words 99.8% of the requests are approved for a wiretapping, through a fisa court. >> i can understand that. before you go for one, being as an investigator, before you request one, you want to make sure you have all of it done. but it is not that easy. david: isn't it that loser than

other courts with other surveillance? >> with criminal title 3, it probably is. the common concept, an agent goes into a fisa judge gets -- it is so unlike that. first of all the agent has to make sure he has the probable cause to do this. secondly he writes the affidavit and presents it to his organization. let's say it is the fbi. it goes through review after review, after review in the fbi. after they approve give it back the department ofustice. the same problem happens at the department of justice. they do it all over agn. david: bill, let me bring you ever so slightly into the realm of politics. is there any way, anybody, an appointee, a presidential appointee or maybe even the president himself, could somehow influence this decision-making? >> not unless they want to go to jail. david: whoa. there are some leakers who have been willing to do that. >> there are leakers willing to do that, i totally agree with you, but they have to be willing to go to jail to do it.

david: bill gavin, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: being treated like cattle. [screaming] >> no! oh, my god. melissa: oh, it is hard to forget those screams. dr. david dao, the united passenger forcibly removed from his flight is preparing to take legal action against the airline. fox news's matt finn in chicago with the details on this one. matt, i imagine it will be a big payout? reporter: very well could be. today, melissa, dr. dao's attorneys basically laid out the groundwork for their potential lawsuit saying united airlines broke the law when it used unreasonable force to remove dr. david dao from that airplane. he is 69-year-old man not posing a physical threat at the time. they say dr. david dao represents all mistreated airline passengers going forward. dao is not at a press conference. his attorneys say he somewhere safe and will need surgery.

his daughter spoke on his behalf. the family is sick and shocked. the attorneys say this can not happen again. take a listen. >> we want fairness how people treat us. we want respect and we want dignity. that's it. not a big deal! this seems so simple. reporter: dr. dao's attorneys also say they do not think he was targeted because of his race. just this afternoon united airlines released a statement saying they have a concrete internal investigation that it expects to wrap up by april 30th. melissa. melissa: this is not going away anytime soon, matt. thank you. david: you wonder how much he is going to get? melissa: his nose was broken. he needs reconstructive surgery. it was more frightening than when he left vietnam in a boat from saigon. david: bill gavin he could claim he could not get an airplane again.

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melissa: dropping the "mother of all bombs," the trump administration once again taking decisi action this time in afghanistan. fox ne's jennifer griffin is at the pentagon with the latest on this. at have we learned? reporter: melissas the cloud that results from this size bomb reaches 10,000 feet in the area. at 7:32 p.m. local time in afghanistan the u.s. air force dropped a 21,000 bomb known as the "mother of all bombs." massive ordnance air blast. what they described as a complex of isis tunnels on the border with pakistan. >> we targeted a system of tunnels and caves that isis fighters use to move around freely. the united states takes the fight against isis seriously. in order to defeat the group we must deny them operational space which we did. reporter: the gbu-43 is the largest non-nuclear weapon the u.s. military ever used in combat.

designed for the iraq war but never used, tested in 2003 the moab is pushed out of the back of a modified c-130 aircraft. its blast radius is one mile wide. the top general in afghanistan didn't need to ask permission to conduct the strike. the target of the tunnels were in the nangarhar province where the americans have a base. american green beret was killed with small firearms in that part of nangarhar, sergeant mark de alencar from maryland. the u.s. strike they said was not in retaliation for the green beret's death. the u.s. announced after meeting with the u.n. secretary-general, that h.r. mcmaster is leaving soon for afghanistan. the top u.s. commander in afghanistan, general john

nicholson testified that he needs sevel thousand more u. or nato troops afghanistan. currently there are 8400 u. troops on the ground there. melissa. melissa: jennifer, thank you for the report. good stuff. thank you. david: following the susan rice admission she unmasked the identities of trump aides caught up in surely valance, congress progressing with a whether it was done for national security as she says or political spying by the obama administration. here is former arkansas governor mike huckabee, former presidential candidate, also fox news contributor. so, governor, we have the news over the past couple of days of this fisa warrant. there was a wiretapping warrant into a trump aide. his name is carter page. it might have been totally unrelated to anything involving the trump administration but does it play into this at all? >> well it certainly does. anytime there's surveillance that involves an american

citizen, it ought to be sounding off alarms for every person in and out of the government because we're not safe if our own government can spy on us. they can say we're only listening to the other side of the conversation. we don't really know that. that is why we need an investigation. susan rice clearly was the person who admitted now, that she unmasked people. david: right. >> but she lied about it earlier. this is the same susan rice that went on television, five news shows, said a video caused benghazi. later we found out that was an absolute lie. we have to know what really happened. david: the other thing about carter page, even though the investigation on him, by the way what we're looking at now are live pictures. the president is leaving joint base andrews in virginia. he's making his way to palm beach, florida, where he is going to be spending the easter weekend, if you don't mind, governor, we'll shop pictures of prident getting on air force one while we're talking. maybe the wiretapping of carter page who was in the circle of

trump aides even though he wasn't a paid member of the trump team at that point, that led to the unmasking of trump aides? that's a possibility, right? >> it's a possibility but there should have been some disclosure to the trump people that they needed to be doing surveillance on carter page, if in fact they did need to be doing surveillance. by the way, let me make sure, the president, if you're showing those pictures -- david: we are. >> he is not getting on a united flight right now. air force one. david: it is not united. they are very accommodate i have it in air force one. they have never thrown anybody off that i know of. susan rice, we must remember, it was susan rice as we see president saying good-byes to the washington area as he is on his way to florida for the weekend. she is the one who told us syria got rid of all of its chemical weapons. turned out to be absolutely untrue. turns out one of many untruths

she has told. she says her unmasking had nothing to do with politics t was all about national security. do you find that in any way plausible? >> no, i really don't. and i think maybe it would have a little credibility if there were not so many lies stacked on top of lies, not just from susan rice, but from so many people in the administration, whether it was john kerry, whether the president himself, hillary clinton. how many different ways do we have to be told something that isn't true before we finally just say, we can't trust these people? things about the iranian deal, not true. things about the red line in syria. not true. things about a reset with russia. not true. on and on. our foreign policy has been a disaster for eight years, and frankly, i think that when the president made tt very infamous tweet saying i was surveiled bit previousadministrt derisive of him. i think they will have to at some point very soon, you know what? the guy was right.

david: let's turn to even bigger things. it is holy thursday today. the president, as we can see now is on his way to an easter weekend down in florida. the polks in the middle east, the christians in the middle east are not so lucky. they had a horrific bombing last weekend on palm sunday. a lot of them, a lot of churches throughout the middle east, particularly in egypt will not open at all. some people say shows a victory for terrorists. that was their intent, to which you say what? >> well, it is a victory for the terrorists. it's a tragedy especially in egypt. egypt is a beautiful country. it is an amazing place. the egyptian people are overwhelmingly delightful, accommodating and loving people. but the growth of radical islam in egypt has created a slaughter of christians, not just a murder, a slaughter of christians, and now even on easter sunday their churches are afraid to open. we need to recognize that

radical islam is not only a danger to christians but it's a danger to other muslims. think about the fact that when radical islamists get involved they just don't destroy the people, they destroy thousands of years of antiquities. they want nothing from the past. that's just uncivil. it is the work of animals, not the work of civilized people. david: well, governor, if it's perhaps not in keeping with this conversation but have a wonderful easter weekend. we wish you the very best. thank you for being here with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. happy easter to you, too. melissa: we have breaking news for you right now. pittsburgh steelers chairman dan rooney has died at the age of 84. the football icon also served as u.s. ambassador to ireland under president obama. rooney's contributions to the nfl earned him a spot in the hall of fame in 2007. that's dan roone

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david: china making a bold move, rejecting north korean coal shipments. they are pretty much the sole buyer of that coal. china purchase as large amount of coafrom north korea. will china be turning to the united states now for coal? jeff flock is live from a coal plant in illinois with details. i bet they're hoping so right there? reporter: well, they are, but i'll tell you, this coal plant, might be too late for this plant. look at that big pile of coal.

this is coal-fired plant. we said all along it will be hard for the president to keep the campaign promise to rejuvenate the coal industry simply taking regulation off coal-fired plants like this but now with the chinese apparently refusing shipments of north korean coal, there is now evidence coming to the u.s., look at these numbers, david. in the first two months of this year we sold, the u.s., that is, 300,000 tons of steel-making coal, coking coal to the chinese after last two years selling almost nothing to them. the obama administration didn't want to sell coal to china because they thought it was too dirty. well, it is a heck of a market out there. it could be a rejuvenation of the coal industry thanks to our friends in north korea. maybe not our friends but they could help us. david: iron. very interesting. melissa. melissa: really is. the head of the va hospital in washington now on leave following a scathing new report.

the chief watchdog that d.c.'s va hospital poses quote, imminent danger to our threats. calling it highest level of chaos among the findings of the report. doctors were halting operations and dialysis treatment because of lack of supplies. can you imagine? david: i can't not. melissa: surgical items left in dirty or cluttered spaces. david: we've seen that. melissa: no inventory system to know what they have or need. the inspector general said the report needed to be released early in order to warn the public what was ing on. this is how we're treang our veterans. david: this is how government bureaucracies deal with health care. you go over to england, you see very much the same thing. i was stuck there for one month in an english hospital, public hospital. it is not fun. not pretty at all. totally unsanitary. the most draconian measures you can think of to try to treat sick people. that is what happens when the government controls everything. melissa: true. good point.

david: meanwhile, willing to put up a fight, but in the end it just want worth it. a sanctuary city is backing down following a new hard-line from the trump administration. only took two weeks. >> you're going to lose, as you know because the attorney general announced that federal fundings, which i know you rely upon -- >> i don't believe that for a minute. i don't believe that. >> you may not believe that, but they're telling it is going to happen and could get it done. >> i'm telling you, i'm willing to fight them.

melissa: sanctuary reversal. the mayor of lansing, michigan, dropping its sanctuary city status after criticism from local businesses. this is the white house reportedly working to build a

nationwide deportation force according to "the washington post." here is kristin haglund, conservative political commentator, neal sjorka, democracy for america communications director. kristin, i will start with you. they voted originally, 6-0. then they reverseed it shortly afterwards. they said it had to do with the language. they want to be welcoming but they realized quickly the language, sanctuary city was loaded, not what they meant. what do you think of that? >> right. this is huge because in this instance the community heard about it. the business community heard about it. the michigan chamber of commerce and lansing regional chamber of commerce we don't want the negative connotation of sanctuary city. also just a financial issue, right? there are $6.5 million of federal funding on the line. there is bill before the michigan legislature now that would cut off sanctuary cities from revenue sharing.

this is not just a crackdown on immigration. this is about a good business decision for the city. goes to show when you have a local issue that will really affect constituents and businesses, get out e, make your voices heard. can switch just like that. melissa: neil, what do you think? >> what happened the lansing city council caved to pressure from the federal government and a couple of state legislators pushing legislation, basically we'll cut off funding to you if you create, make sure your city is welcoming one. unfortunately policies that eliminate sank wear which cities make people less safe, not more safe. that is the really sad part about this. people in lansing and surrounding communities will be less safe -- melissa: how do you figure that though? >> how? that is easy. melissa: we pulled the statistics on this, it doesn't support what you said last time around. >> no. melissa: crime is higher in sanctuary cities? >> actually that, what we know is, when you compare counties, that have sank wear which cities in them to counties that don't,

those counts that have sank wear which cities are safer. what we know is -- melissa: i mean -- that is when you include other math. if you look directly at sanctuary cities they have more crime after called sank wear which cities. >> melissa, most sanctuary cities tend to be larger cities over all. you tend to see crime rate. melissa: we're comparing tile period. >> but importantly, immigrants in cities that are sank wear will have conversation with cops to make sure that crimes are, criminals are taken out of those communities and they're not afraid of being he deported. report a crime. melissa: i don't want to go without addressing a deportation face. we're talking about loaded language. that is what sanctuary cities, it brings to mind a certain set of beliefs and that's what the council said was the problem, was the name. deportation force, are we talking about border patrol agents enforcing the border? calling it deportation force,

sounds like the gestapo. >> right. actually that term frightens communities actually more than the policy which is enforcing laws already on the books. making sure border patrol and i.c.e. is staffed up to handle this. also actually much better for illegal immigrants here waiting at trial, there will be a lot more attorneys going to be able to process these cases faster. so they're not just waiting. and also i would argue that -- melissa: we got to go. >> makes the communities safer because immigrants are safer when they have a safe community. melissa: neil, got extra one last time. i'm sorry i have to go. thanks, guys. david: everybody has to work their way up the ladder, even newly-named supreme court justices. wait until you hear what some of justice gorsuch's duties will include. you won't believe it. ♪

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court justice neil gorsuch's first day on the job. since he is the junior justice he oversees the supreme court cafeteria. >> instead of getting drug into a ground war in the east in we are leading a coalition to destroy the terrorist group. >> our intent to destroy isis. with the means he has approved so far i think that's an untenable goal. >> the world is safer and healthier than it's ever been. >> 2013 will be the most lethal year for global