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♪ . charles: well, democrats scared off last night in their first debate and it was a doozy, right out of the gate hillary clinton played the gender card. >> i'm the granddaughter of a factory worker and the grandmother of a wonderful one-year-old child. i believe in equal pay for equal work for women. i can't think of anything more than of an outsider than electing the first woman president. charles: of course when hillary clinton was actually pressed on that e-mail scandal, you remember that, bernie sanders of all people jumped to her defense. take a listen. >> tonight i want to talk -- not by my e-mails, about what the american people want from the next president of the united states. [clapping] >> let me say this. let me say something that may not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too. .

charles: all right. joining me now lanny davis, former special counsel to president clinton. lannie, everyone agrees that hillary clinton walked away with this whole thing. but a lot of people really concerned about how she walked away with it. let's start with the idea that she -- i guess at one point didn't want to run on the gender card and now she's firmly embracing it, bringing it up multiple times. >> who told you that? she's a woman, she's historical going to be the first woman president. charles: she tried to stay away from the woman's and things tried to run on issues. if indeed being a woman is the only qualification, we're talking about half the population should be president. >> well, you just aadded the words only qualification and those are your words, i respect your choice of words but nobody else that i know of would say only qualification. charles: but is this at the top of the list? when someone says, hey,

lannie, i want you to go on a dating site and list your top ten at at it buttes. at the top, what do you put? she's telling the world hire me and my top attribute is being a woman. >> so, charles, you ask the questions, i get to answer the questions. that's our agreement. charles: oh, they gave me the memo before the show, i forgot to read it. sorry. >> so it's not the top qualification, it's one of the parts of hillary clinton that would make history. she is the most qualified of man or woman candidate including all of the republicans having served in the senate, eight years is first lady, 16 years as first lady in arkansas, and four years of secretary of state. now, she happens to be a woman in the only democracy in the world that has not elected a woman president. but if she were qualified regardless of her gender, it shoulirrelevant, she should not be elected. but she's also a woman and this year eight years ago she wasn't. she's a grandmother.

so i think that is valid for her to mention that. charles: all right. i think she kind of played the card over and over again, and i know -- >> i understand. charles: i know at some point it does have some political -- it helps you politically, but i also think that a lot of women are being turned off. so far the polls show that a lot of women on the democratic side are starting to turn away from hillary and that's her ace-in-the-hole. she may be overplaying it. >> sorry, charles, i don't know what polls you're looking at but among democrats, 79%. charles: the women. educated women, she has been drifting pretty badly. >> not among democrats. i know that because of the e-mail controversy her trust factor among republicans has gone way down and among some independents but take a look see if i'm right. the democratic polling shows strong amongst democratic women. charles: why wouldn't -- is this a coordination for her? why wouldn't any voter, i don't care what side of the aisle you're on, have some misgivings about this e-mail scandal.

>> well, there are some voters that do have misgivings and she said i made a mistake and has looked back on maybe doing a better job of getting the information out. but if you're asking me my opinion and of course i'm bias on a good friend, what she did is indisputably legal. she'd done nothing legal and there was past precedent for using one device for mixing business and personal e-mails. we know secretary of state collin powell used his own laptop with his own server and priors secretary of states used e-mails. would she do it again? no, she said she made a mistake. is it a disqualifying mistake? that's up for every american to decide, i have a feeling coming next december, jobs, their economy, and their kids are going to be more important using two blackberries rather than one. charles: i'm assuming she's going to get this coordination because it's unclear that joe biden is going to jump into

the race. some saying the vice president missed a good opportunity to jump in the race, i think he did, is it a good thing for him to jump in. >> absolutely not. it's not a coordination, bernie sanders is a serious opponent, i thought he was very gracious last night agreeing with certainly most of the people that i talked to that the e-mail issue -- well, serious. and now made into a partisan matter by the benghazi committee. but i think joe biden is very qualified, very popular, and if he comes into the race, we'll have a better outcome because whoever's the nominee will be stronger because there's more competition. charles: speaking of being gracious, lannie, you're being somewhat gracious now. wasn't too long ago you were heard by a couple of reporters ranting about this particular election and allegedly calling joe biden a bafoon. >> thanks for asking me because it didn't happen that way. i didn't rant. i was having a conversation

that was a private conversation. little snippets were taken out of context. i knew called joe biden a about to fo bafoon, i was commenting on what others said, i love joe biden and being on a train earlier in the morning, the very same day the same reporter that did that was talking in fox in new york, i stood next to her on my telephone making it will be i was taping her, she got startled and said what are you doing and i said you said it was cuss marry and i'm doing the same thing and then i said of course i'm just kidding. charles: there was a guy that also heard you. guy benson. >> and i haven't talked to a single reporter that has asked me about this. by the way, i thought it was funny that the things that were taken out of context were not terrible awful. but every single reporter i've talked to, including someone here at fox about ten minutes ago said they would never,

ever think of doing that, it's a violation nor with their editors or anybody at fox. charles: doing what? taking a private conversation on a train. >> yes. charles: and sharing it with the world? or twisting your words? so, in other words, are you admitting that perhaps you said something that you didn't want to say and it was overheard, and it shouldn't have been used? >> i can't believe we're actually talking about this. charles: listen, we're talking about -- you're very influential democrat and if you think joe biden saba is a is a bafoon, it's interesting to me. >> i'm saying it is a vibration that most journalists would not do, listen on a conversation that's a private conversation. secondly what i did say and what was quoted were out of context and certainly did not intend to offend anybody in a private conversation. but having said that, i consider it a rather amusing incident, and it's amazing how viral these sorts of things. charles: yeah. >> it's almost like interest.

but what i read wasn't terrible, i certainly did not call joe biden a bafoon nor bernie sanders. we were talking about politics and about people's perceptions, and it was all taken out of context. charles: so are you -- >> that's it. charles: it's to your point, it's gone viral and people keep hearing it, and it's one of these that things may be an urban myth and lasts for decades. >> don't you think it's a compliment that i have a private conversation that so many people are interested in . charles: you should think it's a compliment. you really should. i'm not sure joe biden but -- let's move on -- >> joe biden knows how close of a friendship he has had since he was elected in the '70s. charles: but real quick because i want to switch gears and ask you about this thing -- but before i do, and this is a news alert here. associates are suing ford motor company for slander, and they were hired by a software

company. >> that's right. charles: okay. to investigate ford for allegedly steeling their technology, and they created software out of it and in response to the investigation ford prepared affidavits that apparently contained false acquisitions on behalf of both investigates. so to clear the reputation, they have asked the courts for a public hearing, they're asking to withdrawal the lies and of course, lannie, you are the lawyer. some people call it an odd couple. how is that going? >> well, it's great to have somebody that i differ with politically who i can represent on a cause defending former law enforcement officials who were slimed and slurred by ford motor company by submitting or helping to submit affidavits that challenged them for an investigation that they conducted entirely properly and legally. so they're not suing for deformation because you can be

totally protected by deformation if you do it in court paper, so not suing for deformation, they're asking for a hearing which would lead to falsity and expunging and the only way as a lawyer that i think they can get justice and clear their names and reputations. charles: well, the audience should know that we did reach out to ford and here's their statement quote the court has addressed the investigation at issue and the recent motion on two occasions. resulting in the matter of ford's favor. once again they will provide the factual and legal basis for its position -- >> charles let me say this very slowly. there is a lady with the last name of ford who sits on a committee who presides over this whole program, my client claiming their software was stolen. what you just heard their lawyers say is another lie similar to the accusations against former police officers

the court never addressed the investigations, they saw the protective order for the investigation, and we asked for a public hearing and there wasn't one because of the settlement and the conduct of the investigation. so what that statement you just read is a lie and they gave it to fox and now you hear a lie about a lie. so if we get our court hearing and we're allow to cross-examine the lawyers, we will show that they not only lied or participated in writing affidavits that were lies about these decorated former new york city cops, detroit cop, they'll be on the witness stand if we get our hearing and then we'll see whether or not the lawyers. charles: so, for the record, you are calling ford a liar, you're saying the statement they just released, it's a clear lie on top of a lie, you're calling them out on national tv right now? >> i am calling that statement

a lie and the statements made suggesting that two former police officers trespass and acted like bafoon and helped prepare affidavits accusing them are lies and we will prove that if we get our hearing in court. charles: you say if. what are the odds? what do you think? 50/50? >> well, i have a great deal of respect for this court, and it's a federal judge, and it's up to him to decide. it's an unusual request we're making because we're not part of the case as my representing these police officers. we're asking for the record to be stricken, that's an unusual request. charles: right. >> and i think we'll have to trust the judge to do the right thing but i respect whatever decision the judge makes. charles: i really appreciate you coming on the show tonight, i appreciate it. >> thank you and thank you for letting me explain my private conversation in complete form on your show. charles: absolutely. thank you.

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charles: welcome back. and if you watched the debates last night, for me, i've got to tell you, it seems that the democratic party think so that america is a bad place now. i'm not talking about we're in a bad period of time but that we are just a bad nation. all about giveaways, anticapitalism, racism, gender bias and guess what? the two top candidates want to

provide free college for everyone. >> my plan would enable anyone to go to a public college or university tuition free. you would not have to borrow money for tuition. >> if we want free tuition at public colleges and universities, millions of people are going to have to demand it and having the republicans an offer they can't refuse. charles: yeah, i hear you. joining me now, tammy fox news contributor and katrina pearson, the tea party spokesperson. when they talk free, free college, they're also talking free for illegal immigrants, tuition free that some of them already get big tax breaks already. >> uh-huh. charles: this was just absolutely amazing because i sense that the things that made america great from capitalism to religion to individualism, all those pillars, they don't like any of them. >> well, they don't. i mean this was but you're

owed something, entitled to something because america is so bad and also the nationalizing of the educational system. so that's what they're promoting. they know they can't persuade people on the issue of making america great or that we are fabulous and let's keep it going, so it has to be moved in a sense of this is what we're going to give you because you've been so wronged and you can't move that argument if you think america's fabulous. this is why web was so out of place. this is a man who thinks america is a great place. charles: yeah. >> and anderson cooper kept saying what are you doing here? what are you doing with the democratic party and that's a good question. charles: it was odd, but the overarching thing, katrina to tammy's point, something's wrong that america has wronged so many people to the point of this sort of guilt that we must give people everything, look the other way whether it's committing crimes, it's just every aspect of life that i can think of where somebody should be accountable for themselves, last night they

said, no, we'll give you the green line not to be. >> well, you obviously have to suspend all logic and reason. i couldn't even watch the whole debate. i had to resort to catching the highlights on twitter because at some point you have to sit here and say okay. we have racism be with we have gender inequality, we have a horrible economy but obama is the president. these are the same people who are in charge. so i don't even know who they're running against. are they running against obama at this point? because these people who have all done really great things in their lives have done it under a capitalist society, under the same society they're now trying to tear down. charles: yeah, a whole bunch of white millionaires talking about the mean-spirited nation where no one can get a break, particularly nonwhites. of course they all seem out of touch; right? when these candidates were asked about america's biggest stretch right now here's what their responses were. >> it's certainly the chaos in the middle east, no doubt about it. >> i believe that the nourish iran remains the biggest threat with climate change of course makes threats even

worse. >> i think it has to be continued threats from the spread of nuclear weapons, nuclear material that can fall into the wrong hands. >> the scientific community is telling us if we do not address the global climate change, transform our energy away from fossil fuels. >> our latest long term is china, our greatest day to day threat is cyber warfare against this country. charles: you know, someone wondering why hillary didn't say cyber warfare but forget about that for a moment. some saying climate change. again, it feels that they're completely out of touch. >> well, it's beyond out of touch considering hillary clinton herself talked about nuclear material and talked about nuclear iran. when it's the democratic party that's funding the nuclear bomb in iran, so it doesn't make any sense. and as far as global warming really, charles? are we still talking about this because right now we are at a threat of a nuclear war, so what are we going to be

doing fighting global warming if the whole world is fried by then? . charles: wages have gone down under president obama, our stature, every element has declined under and on my some of these things they're worried about is getting one degree warmer over the next 100 years. >> yeah. and this is why they have to argue it's america's fault because the cities they control -- charles: the core america, capitalistic america. >> right. charles: eager to overachieve and therefore they pump out all of this pollution. that's the america they're going after. >> yeah. the productive america, the america thanks it's a good place that the americans who think that this is something that is worth spreading around the world. that's the thing that they argue has to be stopped. because it's the antidote to the leftest scourge that destroys countries in peoples lives. but we see the results every day whether it is miami or detroit or new york or los angeles, they have to find

a different excuse, so it's our fault as opposed to their fault. and this is one thing that the debate achieved. it showed the american people what cliff they've all gone off of. charles: clearly. and real quick, katrina, first of all, to the merits for not staying up and watching it because i had to. secondly, listen, they did make it pretty clear. we are socialists, and this is with a we want to do and the american public, they have to make a choice now. >> uh-huh it's clear. they do. they have to make a choice and my gosh, this is just very scary because if americans choose the democratic party, i don't care if it's anyone on that stage, charles, we get what we deserve because this has gone beyond logic and reason like i said. if people want to have a country that they can leave to their children to be successful, it's definitely not the direction of progressive liberalism. charles: if you like your local ghetto, guess what? you can make the whole country the same thing. by the way, today, trifecta bad news for main street and wall street.

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charles: walmart quite simply you can see it there, it it got crushed today and took the entire market along for the ride. warning investors that they're not going to lower their four-year guidance, they're going to lower their earnings growth for the next three years. management blame the usual suspects including the strong dollar but make no mistake. this is a lot more complicated than currency. the dollar was strong yesterday before it lost $20 billion. this is a giant for more than a decade, and in a way they're finally admitting, it is, and it's going to take a lot of time to fix this. also, though, you've got

higher minimum wages, investments in e-commerce that all of this stuff happier employees, the growth of amazon, they've got a lot to deal with. but what we want to know, though, the much bigger question is how bad is this for us? is this a proxy for the overall economy? forecast editor for money, moneymorning.com. and liz. we had retail sales out this morning. liz, when that can number came out, i saw three firms lower their gdp and then we had the amazon news. none of them said anything good about our economy. >> no. all pointing toward a slowing loss of momentum, which is what everyone anticipated going into this period. but it doesn't bode well, particularly on this consumer data for holiday sales. so we're now looking at what is the holiday season going to look like? people going to be getting nervous about that. but i think there's just no question. we're seeing a slowdown pretty much across the board. some of it is the strong

dollar, no question about it, but that in some condition to consumer spending, you know, the good news is of course the fed will probably put off more later and later. charles: i don't really buy that. that was good news, why aren't we up 200 points instead of down? >> well, at some point investors need to see some growth. charles: yeah, we have to. ultimately the market does ultimately work when you grow the top and bottom lines. >> that's exactly right. charles: but, here's the thing that i really think worries a lot of people in walmart. not only were we expecting for them to increase the last part of the year, their guidance, but that it goes out three years. caterpillar also said we're going to have layoffs for the next three years. these large giant companies are forecasting these not being so great years down the road. >> walmart has serious problems that they're trying to address and the problem is that investors are looking at them and saying they don't have enough to do what they have to do before the stock's going to get hit. obviously 10% hit today, that's a huge hit for a company that size.

so they're looking at fiscal 2017, their capex is already reduced and using 1.1 billion of that to up their game online. charles: some of it is walmart -- >> they're trying to move forward and still a backwards working company. when knocks down expectations for earnings, 12%, that's a huge hit. what else is the public going to do except sell the to being? . charles: and of course in august already. so the stock was coming down. over the last three years, amazon is up, like, 200%. and this is not flat. so there are elements to it that make it unique but i do wonder about the overarching idea about you talking about the economy doing better. we just never gained any traction. >> i totally agree. we've been in this slow growth mode, every time a quarter like the second quarter this year pops up a little bit, you get slammed in the next quarter. and, look, i think we have an administration that is not fostering growth in this economy and one of the things weighing right now is the fall

in oil prices, energy prices, huge down draft. charles: that was supposed to be great, though; right? that was supposed to help us. real quick. you were negative, you reiterated that on varney this morning, and you looked really great. is that in part because of the economy? >> absolutely because of the economy. there's no optimistic signs that i see on the economy in terms of growth potential, so i'm looking at the dow 15,000, certainly before it gets to 18,000, the economy is struggling and that means the stock market is going to struggle. charles: thank you very much. also at home you don't want to miss the countdown to the closing bill, liz claman will be hosting special edition of her show live from washington d.c. ahead of her exclusive interview with secretary jack lou at 4:00 p.m. that starts at 4:00 p.m. right here on fox business. a brand-new fox news poll and 61% say what happens in syria is important for the united states national security.

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charles: breaking news for you right now. new fox polls out, the first one. fox news finds that 61% of voters say what happens in syria is important for u.s. national security. that's up from 48% who felt

the same way just two years ago. and another poll shows that 46% of voters think that russia's military action is strong and shrewd and vladimir putin has the upper hand. that's major ground offenses. adding to the long history of sieges in this town that has changed the tied of power over centuries. will this cement russia as the ultimate power broker in the middle east? let's find out. i want to welcome on the show now, lisa, she is foreign desk editor and chief and general thomas, fox news military analyst. general, i've got to go to you first, i'm in awe over the years of how important it has been with respect to who's the most powerful person on the plant. here we are, vladimir putin is going to head up the next siege. this could change everything in the middle east, can't it?

>> it can, and it may have already changed it. it's a very pressing point that you brought up. we have a crucial battle, and i just got word that the russians and the u.s. may have come to a syrian air safety agreement. but whether they have or not, air power is going to determine who wins there. is it the assad forces? is it isis? or is it the free syrian army? it's very difficult to determine how this is going to come about unless we get some form of agreement. and if we don't support the free syrian army, they're going to be finished there. charles: and of course shifted hands so many times since this whole thing began. it feels like, though, russia going to have your a scorched like iranian troops and that means the syrian army has casualties in this. i'm sorry, lisa. >> what we're coming to understand is that the u.s. led coalition and the russians have entirely different

agendas when it comes to syria and now that those agendas are at odds with one another. the west was looking at the problem in syria and the very narrow scope. how can we get rid of isis or back then it was more so do we care about the assad thing? and now when you look further down the road, do we want russia having access to the region? do we want the irannians coupled? . charles: well, now it's not a matter of whether we want. in the same poll there was another question about the obama administration to lisa's point having a clear strategy, an alarming 70% said "no." take a look at that. so, again, how this is in isis, russia, iran and can the united states really afford to continue to be something of an innocent bystander? general, i don't know if it's too late for us to do anything there. it feels that can vladimir putin has taken firm control and whatever happens, we're just going to be observers. >> charles, you're correct.

he is absolutely outmaneuvered the united states for 40 years the united states dominated that region with our influenc influence. when the egyptians kicked russia out of egypt, we controlled the area. and now in six-plus years, this administration has given it away, and i believe that syria is the linchpin in which direction syria goes is going to determine the whole mid-east equation in my personal opinion. but i think the evidence is very clear. it's going to be a crescent that sweeps across the whole arabian peninsula and be very careful in what happens in jordan and saudi arabia because we've been asleep at the switch and leading from behind. charles: general, lisa, thank you both very much. really appreciate it. forget about mommy, you guys remember that; right? tray auntie. an eight-year-old boy jumped into the arms of his birthday. so what does she do?

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for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. charles: well, the aunt of an eight-year-old kid just lost a $127,000 lawsuit that she brought against her nephew. it was a boy, a birthday party, jumped into her arms and gave her a hug and she fell and broke her wrist. it will not amount into any cash but it through her life in jeopardy, the jury of course ruled unanimously in the nephew's favor. we have tammy bruce back and heather.

heather, this is something they give the legal system, chasing lawyers a bad name. >> would you feel better about it if it was aunten against big golden insurance company? . charles: when you put the 8-year-old nephew in the equation, i'm accused. >> there's no choice but to sue the 8-year-old nephew. charles: well, what could she have gotten from the nephew? >> his homeowner's insurance. charles: but does an 8-year-old kid have homeowner's insurance. >> yes. for the house where it happened. charles: so she was looking for an angle to milk the system one way or another. >> if you're looking at her bills, $127,000 is all she sued for. she wasn't suing for pain and suffering. she was suing to have her medical bills paid. she's had to have two surgeries, looked at another. this lady was looking for reimbursement for an injury that happened to her by no fault of her own. now, listen, the system worked because this did kidd what kids do and there was no negligence here.

but i don't think this woman should be exonerated in such a horrible way when the truth of the matter -- charles: i hope they never put a picture of it on the internet because the means would be crazy. what do you think? >> i think we've become a society where we expect everybody to take care of what happens to us. stuff happens; right? and the insurance company, i agree. it would -- look, this is what happens, this is not negligence, and yet there's still a desire when you know that maybe that's not what's covered but you still want it to be taken care of. i know it cost a lot of money, maybe decisions would be different if, well, let me pay for this, let me have a conversation with my whole family, let me do a kickstarter. but we don't go there these days, we go to a dynamic. charles: that kick starter would have been pretty cool, so i don't sue my 8-year-old nephew, can someone pay me for the pain and suffering. >> pay me me for this, help me out for this because the insurance companies aren't paying.

charles: so the system itself, we all agree structural there's a lot of problems with this and including the medical system as well. but, again, i think this all gets back to the notion, though, that we sue a lot in this country. >> yeah. charles: we sue first and we ask questions later. how do we curve that? loser pay help? >> loser pay would help. there's a lot of ways to look at it. i think another thing that wouldn't have made any difference here is limiting pain and suffering so that you're only getting your medical bills because what value can you put on pain and suffering? there are different ways to handle this.. however, when insurance pays for things, people are more likely to sue . charles: i hope her picture never surfaces because, oh, my goodness. social media is going to have a field day. by the way, we had another gut-wrenching session in the stock market and i've been getting a lot of questions from you guys. tweet me, i'm @cv payne and we'll handle it next you both have a

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charles: got major stock news for you. netflix, a stock we all talked about, got hammered right after it announced its earnings report and then came back a little bit. you can see it's off $3, been all over the place, missed on the top and bottom lines, but they started the conference call and actually have positive things to say. who knows, the stock could be up tomorrow morning as well. want to bring in with me now, angie, capital president, hilary kramer and got bullish this week, what does it tell you about the overall bull market? >> well, there's a lot of skittishness, vulnerability and concern about competition from amazon. we're seeing it across the board with walmart and -- charles: well, amazon definitely a walmart killer. i think it's too earlier,

international better, 74 million subscribers, i think they're still on target to do all the things they want. i wouldn't be surprised rather if this stock was a lot higher come the end of the year. >> agreed, charles, especially because they have content and content is king. charles: all right. guys, now, let's talk about some of the questions at home. we had tj tweet saying delta airlines looking good this morning and getting to 60 realistic. i don't see a lot of transportation per se. gas is cheap, the economy's coming back a little bit. i like the earnings report, we're in it, we're holding it. i think it will get 60, i can't say with when. >> absolutely delta looking to buy some inexpensive 777, it's a buy here. charles: i would hate to see xm go through, though, because we're funding delta's rivals india in other parts of the world, and establishment republicans. already jared said i think current levels cisco, ibm, hp could be buys 7 to $8 billion.

far eye cyber security getting crushed. we had barracuda with a bad number, fire eye was at a conference today, they couldn't talk themselves up, their stock got slimmed again. hit a high reality with cyber security? >> it seems to be that way, but i think it's the on hottest most important area and one of the greatest threats we have right now in this country. i'm a bull on fire eye, and i do think one of the biggies is going to step in and buy fire eye. charles: yeah, i like fire eye a lot, we had a good run and now walling it water eye. hillary, thank you very much very much. appreciate it. well, the democrats playing a dangerous game while pandering votes and certain voters playing a dangerous game for settling for crumbs. the demanding -- well, demanding a free pass on accountability. it's a deal. i'm going to talk about it. next at ally bank no branches equals great rates.

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. >> black lives matter, and the reason, the reason those words matter is the african-american community knows that on any given day some innocent person like sandra bland can get into a car, and three days later she's going to end up dead in jail. >> the point that the black lives matter movement is making is a very, very legitimate and serious point, and that is that as a nation we have undervalued the lives of black lives, people of color. >> there's a long list, we need a new new deal for communities of color. charles: there were the top democratic candidates for the white house last night. essentially blinking on the black lives matter question, refusing to say all lives matter.

while kowtowing on this, dems pushing on blacks and hispanic which is intriguing since it means going to jail for a shorter period of time or still breaking a law. none of the things break the poverty cycle. in fact, someone can buy a vote in a -- and it boggled my mind, buy a vote promising higher minimum wage and shorter jail terms while feeding children watered down education continues to baffle and infuriate me. the underlying issues never go away and the facts never become worse with this logic. this is my tweet on the black lives matter question tonight -- i like your thoughts in the meantime and like to welcome my friend juan williams, the five's co-host. he joins me now. juan, you are passionate about this as well.

the democrats blinked on this, i'm surprised, what do you make of it all? >> i was taken by what you said, i think you are right. i don't think you had the political context, and obviously they're up there talking to a democratic audience trying to win democratic votes. at the moment, given that about 20% of the primary vote on the democratic side is black americans, they don't think they can risk alienating the black lives movement and knew they would have done that if they said all lives matter because all lives matter makes sense network the context of the movement it means you are talking about police using excessive force. charles: think of this, okay, listen if there's a bad police officer, we all want that person to pay a heavy penalty. we hold police officers on a pedestal where they should be, when they slip off the pedestal, they should pay a heavy price for it. >> right. charles: whenever there is an incident, all police are

guilty, all police are racist. 25 people could be murdered in chicago and that's not part of the discussion. >> i find this bizarre, i'm sorry to blow up the show, i've been writing on, this i wrote a book on this many years ago and took a lot of criticism. i understand we're at a moment where people are very upset about the police activities. you're right it's on a daily basis, the carnage is black on black, young black male on young black male where, is the civil rights issue? i'm not using the excuse of cops break the law. charles: promising higher minimum wage, still minimum, maybe cutting jail sentence short or making -- maybe making weed not a crime. maybe making it the dynamics why i'm poor in the first place and none of it puts accountability on me. charles:. >> and none of it repairs the terrific damage done to the black family in this country.

i think this is pandering in a very direct way. it's just that in the politics of the moment, i understand what's going on. charles: i hear you, juan, we got to get beyond this moment and live as a nation, i think it makes it worse not better. appreciate it. >> appreciate you, too. charles: if you can't see the show, dvr it, in the meantime, the man himself, lou dobbs. lou: good evening, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. iran showing off its military might sending a message to the world that it will continue its missile program despite u.n. security council resolutions and despite the nuclear deal with president obama and the rest. further provocation iranian state television today broadcast video of a secret underground base housing medium and long range ballistic missiles. iranian officials boasting the facility is one of hundreds of underground bases