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book that he wrote with the foer cgresswoman gby you know gabby gifrd was shot a few years back a since then shand her husbd ma have beco advocator gun control. mark kelly coming on wiimus to talk about that. and another author is s.c.gwynn. many consider stonal jackson to be really one of the great military leaders in history, and s.c.gwynn made qui an impressionn th i-man in the

past, ani think he did this time. and then vickie wad, her latest book is caled he ar's ball." it takes look at some of the richest and most powerful men in al estate. the way she tell t story is quittereing. it's a cutthroat competition to obtain one of the me famous buildings in america. in addition to allhose authors, we'll also he some fun thhe whole gang here on the "imus in t morning" program. please welco us and di cave >> please welcome dick cavett. >> how deeply iowe you an apy. >> y? >> i was listeningarlier this morng, and youou oly g my ok,"briefencounters," you

only got it t. >> i walked in thisorng and it was here. it'sbout encouers you've had, one wi mhamm ali who you sparred with, i believe, clr down to jonathan winters. fascinating stuf are you ill therapy? >> no, i'm not,ut i thinng of resuming it ain. >> why? i don't know, it'sun talkinabout yourself. maybe that's not the reon to go, of urse. you're thinking of beheading ur mher or sething, it might be a wise thing. might be aittle soonor thatdick, but when did you begin therapy the iti time? whe a real attack of depression hit, i thought this mighhelp. and it did, along with medicaon. you know, the best thing about having h depression and talked ouit, e doctor said, i

don't think you ought to becom epote boy for depression, going on larry king and so fort cos up to u on the st that and y, you sav my dad's life, yo saved my daughter's li, there are ry few good uses of celebrity, b but whenou get to do something, is a good e. >> i used you usedo talko mike wawallace about it. >> i did, d mike'sfriend. >> they used to walkp on the beach in montauk. i gue they thought abo walking to theater but didn't. >> is tr. pity. jonathan winters' dad we to yale he resented it. when he said, i mset my d frs, they said they went to

yale. when was going to school w haven and johnnyou say, was that new haven polytechnic? go fohi. >> so wintwas funnier than that,asn't he? >> i'msorry? >> did you like winters a lot? >> i did like winters. ere wano precedent for johnny winters. he eated a world right in front of u. my friend dnny morgan who createhe bst rockets ever was being inducted into something, as was the uncer, gary owens, the guy from"lgh d donny morgan was conducting gary owens. one thosethings where they ve knees gigantic ballrooms

and th have them cordoned off th makeshift wls that they ert. next to this affair that i attended w wedding of some sort that u could hear. and wintergoup, a rather than inductingary owens -- i r ultimately did, but he did at least half hour on the wein >> that'spceless. you could rom laughingt him. d the way that he would stantly go from an old lady to a japanese businessman to a sml child to a repulsive senator, they ha to curames out. heould go, okay, bdy, whers the fire? remember paul lind?

>>es i do. >> who was the hos ofhat show ataid when mr. astaire retired? he said, this man ha said he'll never this thing again. who is it? paul lind. order hair by mail. >> what wa your relationship withne of the more fcinating latiips th i'vever heard you talk about was the one you had witharlon bndo. what was thaall abut? >>'m goi to do article out that. i've got so mh good brando stuff. as fro nebraska, but we never met there. we we there at t same time. >> marloran doe was fr nebraska? >> yes. d you don't believe that, so was fred astaire, the last place people from europe and elwhe ulthink. anyway, bndoand i met on the telephone. he called me, i had ked him to do the show.

he called, and themo came up during the conversatiwhere i had been fullsunlit. it was three hours. he was very smart, v intelligent, used the lauage well. and probably the most intereing night of myifeas after my show wiim,, we went down to chinatown. he said, i want tgo find a great chinese restaurant. i haven't been down there in year >> good brando. >> that'sretty good brando. alec baldwin's is better. but,any we're in dark inatown. it's like a movie s of chinatown osed. erything is closed. ran garella,ing of the paparai appears, and i'm cutting a little bit here, but marl said, let'seep making th same expression hel get tid of taki the picture. thatidn't work garella moves innd says, marlontake te sunglasses f. and the nextsoundou hear is,

n't you get tired of -- ad punch that came up from the sidewalk, a sneak punch in the middle of the entee. it broke garella's jaw, may have saved brandon's life. the ha thatent there was the size of a grapefruit. that eveng went on and on, and it's go something for everybody in it. didn't garella sue h o something? i didn't a abouthething for a coue - he was in the hospital for three days, a eventually i said, at his house ouincalifornia, what about the galella thing? d he said, best $,000 iver spent. so, yeah, he g sue plenty. >> he probably settled for at, then. as we say, $26,000 was a lot money ihose day >> did you write for godfre

>> didn't wre for gorey but wasctuay in his show. there is nice piece in ere about godfrey, because i heard his show as a kidin nebraska, inhe summer with no air-nditioni. had t cootry so in his palm as a broadcaster, you could wa from house to house on my block d not miss a word ofhe godfrey show as it came from each successive house. it wasas terrific. and hereated a revolutn in oadcasting. having been smashed to pieces in car accident, ling in a a spital listening to radio and wanting to go intoit, he asked himself question, why doesesn't anyoonth radio ever talk to me? good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the radio audience. all you out there, why not sayyou? how e u? nody tughtf it. they stillaven't leard it. stillhost and hostesses say,

good morning, everybody >> i have people do it allhe time he's just enamored of muhammad ali -- >> woupt to e my ozziali show i did. >> you did spa with him at one poin jokingly, ah. how lg diyou know im? >> think i say in a piece in this book -- what was the tit again? i don't nt to ug it. >> "brief encounts." i n't igine it won't be a best-sr. it's brilliant stuff and so enormouslyenrtaini. yeah. ali stayed overnight at ouse once in ntauk. and ient to hisif at the motel. he decided totay at my place. we were in a documentary. whili wa gone, my late wife caed and said, and the voice at the her end

said, thisinin't darling. 's onree-time heavyweit chonf the world. i'm sleeping in your bed and watchi your tv. she saidwell, mr. ali, i should put a plaque on that bed ich is more than she ever ofred to do withme. >> tre's theristsou can rehook up wit you can discuss that with >> there are two sex pies in thbook, by the way, y'll be glad to know. >> saywhat? >> there are two sex pices. i can imaginesayi that to grouch oe. my wife said, forgos sake, when us wts to stop,on't y, can i ll one more story? >> well, we'reut of time. >> we shou buy more. i have bit i want tdo next time. >> i'm ve happy aout tis book and i'm delighted it be a stst-seller. it's always good to see you an thank you very muc >> you ok swl. >> thanyo dick cavett, evebody

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1971, t same space shuttle he commded in his final flight in ma2011. kellis the son of two pice officers from westrange, new jersey he's married tohe former congresswoman gabrielle giffords. he has a book call "enough." please welcome to the i"imus in the morning" prram. >> good to be on ur show. thank you. you still liv in tucn? >> thas right. >> what side of tucson do you live on? >> the other side. i unrsnd youbrother lived the. >> s, he did. i s there ma times. did u ever consider the possibility that y would die when you were in those space

shuttles? >> oh, yes. especially sitting tre on the launch pa it c be a little intimidating at times. it a incredible caeer. >> why would you do that? >> it's important for our country to explore space, exploration general so you evaluate the sk and the reward. >>like -- do you know where superior, arona is ? >> yeah. >> i used to work at magnum coer, thre, an underground copper mine. i was 19 or 20. as a mile undergroundand yowould get on a cag held by a singl cable, and the cag held eig peoe. and they would lowe you down a anythingbout it at the time. >> ah. >> but i wouldn'otow for -- there i n amount of money that you could get me to do t. >> i would stillgo backinto space for free. >>hat was goino be my next queson. >> yeah. >> y wouldtill doi

>> absolute. u got to see what kind of spacecraft you're going launch on. >> that's whyou are who you are. >> are you involvedn that? >> i do a little consulting for them. i'm interted in getting amera flyi inpac again. >> how i cgresswoman giffords doing? >> she's doi well. we've gothis new bookt th worked opretty hard th lastreyear and a hf tryto get members of congre to be a little more reanabl and mpromise on a pretty bad situation we got in our coun >>t actlly needs to be done. wel, i think a numer o thin. one thg would be a go step foard would be to expand baground checks r g purchases. we do them for 60 sas, why not for the other 40%? it would be li going to la guardia and you n'tave to go through e security line ifou don't want to.

itdoesn't ma sense. there are a lot of issues surrndinmurders d gun trafficking. there is a lot congress could do if they could capitalize on this issu >> i ownunch of guns. >> me, too. >> and it was always an ordeal to get the gun. >> where? >>ough a .308 th a scope and a shotgun in nneicut. i bought a glock here in new york citity, .3 in mexico. stuff like tha >> i've always flled out a background form that takes a few minutes to fill out, and the whole process takes 5 or 10 minute. it's neveen an issue for me. i've neverurchased aun in new york, though. >>has the pimary resistance to strengtheningun la >> i think one of the bies things, it's a very divisive

political iue. so you he an orgizatio e nra,hat's done a lot great ti with gun safety and od of education. but over the last 30 years have built an enormou amountof weand influence e in shington, d.c., and it's very hard for se members of congress to te contry to their position. >> and then got to thinking is morning when iknew you were coming in during my show preparation, which involves about nine minutes, andat is there is so much stuff on peop's minds now. gun control and so on used toe almost paramou in people's lineof concern >> ah. >> but now withisis, with the ebola crisis, with peop cutting people heads o with climate ch and so on, it gets shoved almo the back buer is that something you have to deal with? >> well, yeah. i n't see whe they're -- there is no reason why a congress andn administration shouldn'be able to deal with a

nuer of problems all atonce. we should be able to do that. buyou're ght,as a country we tend to focus on one or two thikz at the time, whatever kind ofloats at the top in the 24-hour news cle. so part of our job is keeping engaged with members of congre, work wth them on legiation, get the political work that will get people ected. on a lot the issues, these things geupports over 9,000 americans. >> but not by the people who matt. >> wch is the member of congre who will vote on a bill. >> by peopl who give them money in tofs. >> why i that something you've overcome. you oveome it b be selective he mon raising societ we'vsupported members whoe thought would do things with

this issue. >> good luck with thi book. screeninpele and keeping guns out oe hands of people >> that's the key.them. why should we make it so easy for the criminally ill t get a gun. responble guowners should not have access to them. >> particulay psil you're ing to bon the elevator wh e president. >> absolutely. t book is calle "enough." gabrielle giffor and mark kell u can find itt barnes noble. >> i went to onep the street. still the. jus clickn that -- youou know.. buy one with a click dl. >> amazon prim exactl >>the imus in the morning

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retion of actn." please welce ttherogram s. gwynne. >> thank you. nice to be here. what's the s. stand for? >> samuel carlton. >> did iask you th bbefore? >> i ihi you did. >> do you like austin? >> i d >> i gthere althe time, a lot. we have a ranch in brennam, texa >> beautiful bren >> i always want to stay at the driscoll hotel but they all pu me in the fourseasons becaus-- i don't know whyy don't like the driscoll. >> the dscoll, when lbj s president, that was where the national mia w caed. probably a better ption. >> the vernor has been a frie of mine for years.

whater the hell she was doing with lyndon joson, they did this there athe driscoll. >>uh-huh. why stonewall jacon? >> jackson, i think, has been forgotten a ttle bit, because what he did in the war was etty extraordinary. the l war was a story of great transformationand the one we all pbably know as ulysses s. grant. he's leaning on a m just before the war and he becomes ulysses s. grt. jackson was kind of this hyteacr before t war he was an odd duck a decent man butan odd duck. and a bit of a loser, you might say. 14onths later, he was thet famous militar man in the western world. 14 months latere waseing compared to napoleon. so you had ts -- what he had ne is what was calledhe

valley campaign where he had taken 12 or 14,000 men and aten 1000-plus union armi l over the shenandoah valley in virginia. to me what w so interesting about h was the transrmation was so fa a it was so dep and so profound, and much more so than anyone else, bause by the time stonewall is famous, nobo has heard of lee yet. lee is still a sidekick to jeff das, grant h still not made his rise. so 14 months after the war stts, itas newall jackson. how was he able to do that. >> largely through sheer mitary rillnc heoveds fter than anybody even believed you could move them. >> bute had no backgroun to do that, rig? >> wel he did. he wt to westpointe. he g out of westpointe and he immediately foht in th mexican wa this was in 1887. so hwas a