every other business network says we're into this but they are in the middle of a tupperware commercial or "60 minutes" from 1969. not us. we will see you then. >> of the media and get it wrong.ly. >> it is not necessary. >> that is today?e a pedice my network spends time on balancing bears. i admit i like watching this. and i take a chainsaw to the budget, get a pedicure, breaking windowins.iewers >> you can give them a laughh a and and bring them the news. w

more people get news from comedians.myv everything is changing. >> when you're around the same people all day you can see your own biases. john: the media and how we get it wrong. that is how we get it. >> and nell john stossel. john: we like to think we do serious work. thomas jefferson said that if it were left to have to decide to have a government without newspapers or newspapers without government he would prefer is paper. now we have television to. we help keep oppressors in check. we warn you about dangers, keep you informed of what is important. except i read the papers and watch tv shows, including my

own. we do a lot of silly stuff. i once went to a jackyard as best things. i could have made the point without the sledgehammer but i thought more of you might pay it ditch and if i broke things. i do all kinds of things to get you to focus on what i think is important. also, tv news is also a business. if you don't watch we don't make money, get fired, we go out of business. here are under pressure to tell you what is important, but also to try to make it interesting. can be a conflict. fox acre meghan kelley deals with that conflict every day. she hosts america live from one to 3:00 p.m. meeting she does ten hours of live tv for every week. and some nonsense. car chases. cover the car chase of the moment. >> ratings gold. ♪

model, reading skills, but are we supposed to be in the news biz discovering what is important? >> it's a crime in progress. we cover crime depending on what it is every day. when that cover a crime in progress are we can with this the event and we all in this is because of potential witnesses in court because we watch it unfold. a big question mark about the outcome which is what people really want to watch is. what's going to happen. john: these shows. yours is called america live. there is happening now which comes on before you. all about what is happening now, and that is what people want. i think the important stuff happens slowly. the gradual increase in the deficit which may crush us. the woman's movement with the image of the birth control pill, and rich of the computer chip. we are lousy at covering that to win that is the most important stuff. well you are covering the crime of the date we cover less of that. >> i think that is terror of the

evening broadcast on network and it is stable because the as you say to my stossel@foxbusiness.com hours of live tv per week if for no other reason that you have to fill that time. we get to virtually all the major stories 70 tons of stories on the deficit, death, health care. with the health care debate for started up was going. america's new reserve. ours was one of the very first shows to pay that story in the attention. you don't remember it because it is such a huge story. would it for started nobody was paying attention. and, you know, an explosion happened. the tea party and everybody else. john: one of the reasons i left abc to go to fox because fox covers much more of the stuff that i think is important. >> don't have as much real estate. we have a lot of realistic to cover. but if. john: if we were say we reduce people, shouldn't it be all that? here is a story you covered. radios for men.

there's. >> introducing that he has. perhaps you prefer bros three. women have recognized the benefits of like where for decades. john: that was the thing we do right beat for we talked to him. no, you can give the viewers a laugh as sobering and the news. i like to think i can speak to how we approach our show, which is, it is all of the news. you could talk of a something that is a social issue or something that, may be experiencing or something that will just get people cartel poddy fodder. john: every second we devote to that is the second we take away from health care and the deficit >> we could to bleach his former self and to those born network possible. already out there. it's called c-span. they do a good service, but who watches? no one wants to watch that 247. what to get their news, but they also want to be entertained.

this is a problem all of the other networks don't get. the key is to give them the news but not to bore them to death. still bore the to death. it's unnecessary. john: i make a distinction about c-span because they cover politicians talking. that is not news. that is just went back stocking. analyzing this stuff. and that's going to be holier than thou. i have gone on your show with a llama. john: were you standing next to me with an attack? ifs and to make a point flecks of your props. the road to serfdom. a little disappointment. if you hold it. >> i want to put it on. john: and does a.m. above this, but conflict but covering the news. >> it is journalism, but it is

broadcast journalism, and you need to be both a journalist and you need to be a good broadcaster in order to deliver a compelling television. some people are in some people aren't. part of the broadcast obligation is to make it compelling visually keep people stimulated as they watch, not just about the state news and nothing but the facts because they can get that out. they can get that in print, on-line, they turned it into a television show and what to seymour, analysis, video. at the stadium more and more want to take an emotional journey. john: the queue. good luck. given that we in the media are not perfect and have bias and whether people who watch the media. one group keeps track of bias and sometimes to see to of the lesser in -- left of the left a group called media matters' bills itself as a research center dedicated to correcting conservative misinformation. ticker carlson of the daily column recently reported that

media matters are some nasty things in the name of correcting so-called conservative misinformation. so tucker? well, media matters had an entire program to try and basically eliminate fox as a news organization. there are very many small liberal news ellis as you know. you could count them on one hand. media matters, entire plan of internal memo that outlines the plan steve, for instance, said private detectives after fox's employees to uncover embarrassing details of the personal lives. john: despite all of them. producers. >> and executives. exactly right. an employee of this corporation puts signs outside their homes, billboards to embarrass them in their communities, the detective and social media. john: this may be was just one guy picking out loud.

>> well, actually, it was the entire organization thinking corporately as a group. this memo was a product of the number of peoples and put, it's that clear that they did not do this. they have not commented on it. we know that they did send of recover camera teams into speeches given by fox and please. we don't have the receipts, but that wouldn't surprise me. john: if they put bill was a boy would have seen the. >> that is exactly right. >> the point of the estimate is entirely valid to keep track of what the media are saying. that is an important function actually i would argue. this is a very different thing for, an attempt to swells comments that they disagree with, to crush a perspective that they don't they got to be aired. an attempt to employ its certain people to shut up is. john: he published an internal memo on their enemy list.

other conservative new sites, even conservative politicians were on the list. the leftwing group has been enemies list and they're conservative. are not surprised. >> well, there is a certain irony here. the memory of the mccarthy time is kept alive by the left as a way to point out, you know, the excesses of conservatives and this is what can happen when the powerful run amok. here is a left-wing group, clearly the irony meter was broken the day they decided to do that, people trying to get people they disagree with to stop talking. john: telling people to stop talking is creepy. of the other hand, when they covered the i kind of enjoy it because they don't necessarily say i'm totally evil. they will post a video and say, can you believe that not every young person should vote to back they just posted.

let other people decide for themselves. >> of course you like it because it's now possible to intimidate you. he spent many years having a minority view that a television network in a broadcast network. that is a hard thing. i know this. clearly this has no affect on you other than to be easy, but for a lot of reporters melissa you are ap reporter and you are clinically agnostic or sort of liberal. kind of liberal. if media matters' jobs are you he did, you know, 300 hostile e-mails, you think that's that going to affect your coverage? of course it will, and that is exactly what they did, they attacked people in the mainstream conventional media he disagreed with them, and it did have an effect of coverage. john: the head of media matters' responded saying that what you did was an effort of the part of tucker as update contributor to fox channel to dampen the effects we think our new book is door to have. >> right.

well, the book was an uncertain job that it was never going to have much of an effect. fox does not pay me enough to enter into any kind of experiences, and there was no conspiracy. i've read a news organization. we have the biggest assertive new site. i have a ton of reporters to lead this was an obvious story. the only reason we did this story was because disgruntled employees came to us, not because they turned conservative, still liberal, but because they disagreed with the manner in which she was that company that they talk about him. as you go after a lifetime in the news business is tough stories originate. someone gets mad at comes to you. john: you are happy that there is a group that they're keeping an eye out what people call the right. >> well, i am happy there are people out there fax checking. when i had a show the last thing i wanted was to be held accountable. no one. john: i hate that.

>> before tin years ago you could say virtually anything you wanted on a table and there was no way to check it. now youtube has made everybody accountable. i think that makes it uncomfortable to appear. it's a good thing. if you believe in high standards, objective truth, and i do, that you're for that. i don't have a complete with that. i have a complete with trying to hurt people for political reasons. i don't think media matters has shown any evidence of their interest in the church at all. a partisan political group that coordinates with the obama white house. i detected seriously as a watchdog group hamas but i think there could be as serious what star group, and would welcome the presence of such a group. john: thank you. i appreciate what you do it and let you started the daily caller. coming up, glenn beck is here to say my job, his job to my program, it may soon be history because of his internet channel. it is the wave of the future he says. and frank is here to tell us why we should not trust the media.

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♪ john: we tattled this show the media get it wrong, and apparently most of you agree. recent bofa 66 percent of americans cite stories are often inaccurate. my next guest is a pollster who said that is absolutely true. you have experienced this firsthand. >> i will give you a couple of examples. politico earlier last year i said to a friend of mine that i was leaving fox to take over newt gingrich campaign. a guide did it as a joke and treats it. politico runs it with of calling me, without confirming it. then he asked me when i tell him, the media has to pick this up. corrected. he corrected by say that i was trying to promote public. john: it is corrected by saying we goofed.

>> the corrected by saying i was trying to correct the book. i read the publication. that inaccurate. they don't bother to check. john: the publication of the help. >> i did a presentation for u.s. senate meeting. the right things that never were said. why? it took one senator's word for it. did not bother to confirm it with anyone else in the room. this -- these are just small examples for me but happen every single day. in the end their is a greater point to this. aboard to get in trouble with my fox news chieftains year. you should not get your source for messing builders of what. you need to read more than one use of lead. john: even us? >> even us. you need to get it from multiple places. you do not want to have your news affirmative belief. you wanted to inform what you believe, and that is the great tragedy of all of this. we are too often getting

confirmed demo we believe rather than really getting to know what's going on out there. john: subpoenas but getting confirmed. i like watching every news program. yes. i knew there was truth. frankly, after watching abc working there for 28 years there was all oh, this poor victim the celts from government. i did not want to watch that. >> and a lot of people don't which is why the overall news ratings have dropped. in the end you should watch abc news and cbs and nbc fifth. you should watch this and the other cable networks and remarkable this paper's. but most important election in my lifetime, and i hope that the people who are watching won't get their facts from a single source but from as many sources possible. john: of the you know this is the most important election of a lifetime? >> for the first time in my life i never felt this right. i wonder what country, what life would be like.

you preach freedom. you talk about a commercial us all about it. it's all about freedom. i don't know if were going to have the same freedom that you were born into. i really don't know for the first of whether you're going to have it for years to make your stomach 12 years from now regardless of who's elected him. that is why this matters. john: i grew up in the new york times and work to people who just read it like it was the world's at abc. that's what they read, and they thought that was the truth. hear that sound. >> that was someone canceling the new york times subscription. john: people can get it on the web. it's up because of bias. >> people who are fed up with it. toss out to the business, free enterprise, hostile to economic freedom, support washington, oppose the individual, and eventually people say enough is enough. john: thank you. up next, my next guest says it is not just the reporters who

are biased. so are you. you are part of the problem. he explained. later glenn beck will explain

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john: we talked tonight about media bias. what about you, the audience. are you biased? i don't mean you specifically says you watch our show. you are a brilliant open-minded news consumer. i'm talking generally about the audience that watches news. the huge best-seller. he went public about the disgusting bias in network news, but tonight you want to talk about audience. bias? >> yes. we live in a polarized media

culture. is there bias in the news? yes. is it mean the liberal bias, absolutely. there is also bias on the part of the people watching, the viewers. more and more i think of people who watch this month to get their own biases or opinions were of use, however you want to describe it. they want to get the validated. i think liberals tend to watch liberal shows where they get their liberal biases validated, and conservatives more and more watch conservatives news organizations where they can get their conservative views validated. as i say, it is part, i think, of the polarized media landscape these days. john: insisted that used to be an option for viewers. there was just sort of islam liberal, as i used to say the full spectrum of opinion from the left to the extreme left. it just left.

davison is that we have a choice.this says we don't sharee same impact. john: of the speech from person to experience what i think it's sad. i agree with you. when i go on tv or read something on my website that conservatives like i literally give love letters. when i stray from the conservative politician i get his mail. i think the conclusion have come to is that while liberal orthodoxy is not an attractive thing liberals of have a monopoly on orthodoxy. also i conservative orthodoxy. it is no prettier than liberal orthodoxy. john: and in terms of liberal orthodoxy, someone who lived even larger and abc that you did a cbs, a surly public your book

came out because your book was met just a best seller, it was a huge best seller. it was about us. their work news. answer you would think most people and abc would read it just to disagree. and i would ask people about it. i just think about this book, and nobody that i talk to even read it. personally did not read it, they're bragging about not having read it. john: qaeda listen to rush limbaugh. and he is discussing. i watched him as nbc and cnn because i want to see what other people are saying. i would like to take if i were in journalism would still do it, but most people don't. >> i think in the case that you are describing with the -- our colleagues sure the media elites the book trend them for years and years they have something

resembling a monopoly of the news. there what to watch world and national news and television you have three places to go. abc nbc and cbs. then along comes cable and in 1996 along comes fox. you can go to other places. i take that really shook him up. i think that really threatens in some sense there very existence and in some cases they're very jobs. and that is why when bias came out and said basically, you know what, i am not a conservative activist, have never been accused of even being a conservative when i was a cbs news, but the conservatives are right. they are right. there is a liberal bias. i was called a traitor. i was called a traitor. i was called a traitor by people who don't call real treasures a treasure. that is how seriously they took this. again, i think it is because they were threatened for the

first time by all the other places you can get news besides abc to nbc, cbs. john: it also does your partner of the audience starts for what you want because if they were threatened to you would think there would want to reach. you want to know what the threat is so that you can think about it, decide if it is valid to encounter it. they wouldn't even read. >> a mutual friend of ours who was the president of cbs news of the time the book came out bragged, as they say, brag about but having read the book. i haven't read it and that have no to check everything it. here is a book about your industry. your business. i mean, could you imagine if a book came out about the auto industry? that was critical of the auto industry but was written about a friend of the auto industry, by somebody who worked in the auto industry for 28 years, as i did

at cbs for 20 years. and then this ceos of the auto industry said i didn't read that book and i have no interest in everything it. nothing you, john stossel said, nothing i say matters to them. i find that fascinating. i don't find that pathetic%. i find that fascinating that they don't take serious criticism seriously. >> people like to let it income investors back to your point about, we've lost the newscast racemes our assumptions. good to have more choices, bad that we split up. think you very much. coming up, more about the incidents curious were tourists. even into the ratings of traditional tv. so or shows like this one toast? soon to be swallowed up by the a judge. plan beck took his tv show online comment he is here to

♪ john: i assume you're watching this show on television right now, but maybe you're not. our show is all over the internet. in fact some of the internet audience keep growing, and that makes me wonder traditional television like this will be swallowed up by the intimate. quebec is a guy to talk about this because as you probably know he used to have a show on fox news in the studio. he has since gone on line. he calls it gb tv, which i guess

is for glenn beck tv. but it might also stanford could buy tv. clint, i see the "wall street journal" wrote this article about you. headlined, a revolution against tv. trying to take my job. >> no. i believe it created this direction, the way that we get started. kodak has a moment to years ago where they said, you know, we are felt. we are just going to do film, and somebody else to do is a ticking that there was stay in business to let you know how that ended. it only took him to christmases to lose their lead as the almighty kodak. somebody is always speaking of a better way to do it. technology is now moving so rapidly that i think the old delivery system of television is fundamentally transforming both the. india sure you an example?

year on the set if you come over here this is an original color camera. this is the first color camera of the other side. i had to take the logo of. it's from nbc. from 1854. only about four of those left in the country. if you delegate this television camera, don't even want to tell you how much that costs. this is about a dozen dollar camera. now with the canton, i think is the c300 about this big guy can get movie quality. the total cost to equip my studio with what camera would be about $20,000. everything is changing. you'll need a big company bites doing more to give you a studio. the record store, the record store doesn't exist anymore because of itunes. it is let's just try to set the record store. is the record companies, the

guys who used to discover that the local bar and you had to help you better have the on night in the wood river youth by the time they get back to new york to sit down with the executives. now you don't have to do any of that. you think of a sock, did your friends together, record it, videotaping, make a music video for it and put it on youtube in the week you could have a million use. why do i need the record company? why do i need to be? why do i need all the stuff? you don't. john: some people thought you have to have it for the money, but ford says leaving fox to get to be a pretty good move for you. the "wall street journal" says 18 months after leaving you have double the revenue of your company to $80 million. >> it has been -- by becoming it is an expensive venture, but it also is -- there are a lot of people out there that are looking for new ways to connect. you can connect with gb tv on the television set to author a device called will coup.

i ever watched cable and i don't know how many to separate from fox all the way. connected to the tv, a year watching the internet as if it was a network. so you watch it there, watch it on your ipad, is smart phone, on anything. that is where rear-ended. i don't know anyone 30 years old or younger that is watching television on the box, the council like we used to have a living rooms. john: your business models, people pay you up to $9.909 a month, which is a lot to more than one of dollars a year. did you have already got more viewers than this program. i hate you for that. they're paying you. every. as a dip? >> no, i am free. i'm free. john: your 999. >> i'm in need in a different way. i'm three.

as great and profound as the industrial revolution was over 100 days ago that is a we're in right now. that is the beginning of what we have right now. people, take the new york times. sitting there with those printing presses. he knows how much those printing presses cost. you don't need that anymore. so those people are trying to hold on as hard as they can, but the world is up for grabs right now. i'm going to try something different. those are the ones that will succeed. john: icily would not have predicted what you have done. i looked at that cover it to get shot where you have said he looked like the pillsbury doughboy. and they're all signing up. all this revenue. you are going to serve two more hours of tv state. we have a children's show, reality show, but not the epa my food reality show.

john: living of the great. >> it's easy something. something about three weeks call the oval that i think people will enjoy. it is not just about me. i was the only one that did not want to give the network jeebies tv because it has to be more than just me. it is a place that i think will chase the culture. john: it doesn't have to be about you. it could be government is bake until early vulgar. god bless tv. go back to virtue. all kinds of things. your slogan is the truth this year. i resent that. i said the toothless year, but i guess we can both have the truth. they cue, glenn beck. nice to visit with you again. he has called itself already of cloud. that is appropriate since today polls show more americans than ever say they get their news from comedians like john stewart and stevenson will bear. a bad thing? a bad thing? that's nex these fellas used capital one venture miles

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♪ john: where did you get your news? cable tv in the internet gives us more options. more americans say they get their news from comedians like john stewart a colbert and people like greg but felt. he has been hosting a 3:00 a.m. show on fox news colorado for the past five years. co-host of the five. so i was unsure what to call you. you say you're not a comedian. >> i have too much respect for comedians. they stand up in front to people. the indoor air rose from trucks. i had the comfort of being in the studio and if anyone else at the we have been escorted out and beaten. i would never tell a joke by knew it wasn't funny at somebody could tell me. john: you are on the fox news channel and you're not just making jokes about stuff, you're covering the news this in time for. >> yes. john: why is that this?

>> you are offering information into for way. we get the news spoonfed test the same way, the same shared assumptions from all the major networks. the neat thing about fox is that it does not operate that way. it allows someone like me he should not be allowed really near a film camera. john: your ratings in the group of people the advertisers care about often be cnn in prime-time >> it's pretty hilarious. again, i think it says may be -- i would like to blow my own work, but maybe it says more about what they do that will we do, and that is they are boring and we are not. we are presenting news and a different way. we present these the way you would talk about it at a bar. when you're at a bar he take -- take a bit as it is a reminder you normally wouldn't site. that is right. in some cases, this sex. which you would normally salus

you had three beers. john: time magazine, ridiculous and self. in a light pole in 2009, america's most trusted newscaster. at the top, brian williamson, nbc. abc. but then at the top of the list, just drift off 44%. so you know, that is their online poll. arrest and some real poll said nearly one-third of americans under the age of 40 say their prices as a news is either the daily show, john stewart, or steven colbert. >> both of those gentlemen are incredibly talented. a majority of the audience to not pay bills. they did not get a paycheck and have no fundamental understanding of how the world works. therefore this makes sense. the thing that i find comical about the daily show is the idea that it is daring. in the same way that college

students think they are daring. when he moves away, gets a nose ring, that, to him, is a risk. the daily show making fun of republicans is somehow derek when in fact they are not speaking to to power. they're actually making now with ifs, counselee defending those in power. how is that rebellion? college students selected mirrors their assumptions. the academic professors, these are all the same. i grew up a run this, but i went to berkeley. then i worked and publishing. everybody thinks like john stuart. the media. >> is conventionally liberal. his audience. >> his audience is a mirror that claps. john: immediate did wrong. what do you take immediate run? >> a lot of things. selective outrage. you know, where somebody can get a steely upset about rush limbaugh and to render apology while overlooking every single

thing, you know, over moves bill marr said, louis c. k. you're really like system of registering some of us are palin. i don't really care about what people say. words don't hurt me. when people fate of rage that can you be -- like sandra calling -- i figure of three pills, and until a global burden, that is cancer. you know, that is a burden. it is not really that there are raised for their happy. there ought to get this help. they don't just -- they didn't just what rush is a policy. there was his job. it is all the same. john: more of rage against the right. >> of course. john: people demonize the tea party movement but occupy wall street not so much. >> they have been doing it lager.

the left has been doing it lager and is therefore better at it. a funny thing about the media is the media should have champions of the tea party. these are people that have never left their living rooms to protest, but a fight. john: they go through chester wood as because the of the windows. be it chooses to embrace season special activists, people who are activists were living. that is what this does to me. occupy wall street, the same people you see every date. nobody knew. john: one more example that throws me, there was all this liberal of rage. tebow existed. the president obama was elected. ticket but disappeared. >> i put this underbite theory called ou0. okay under obama. a lot of things that fall under that. did most selectively targeting american citizens for assassination if. could you imagine it pushed it

is? at the, as to the really good job going after terrorists, but i know that the left would not feel that way. it is okay under obama. john: they keep. >> you will be of ready very soon. i'm holding you to that. >> three in the morning. >> we take early. john: the media do of to get it wrong, but i want to talk about what we get right. there is some good news. everyone has goals. take the steps to reach yours, with us with real advice, for real goals. the us bank wealth management advisor can help you. every step of the way. from big steps, to little steps. since 1863 we've helped guide our clients, so they can take the steps to help grow, preserve, and pass along their wealth. so their footsteps can help the next generation find their own path.

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♪ john: i often start my day with the new york times. then i go into of rage, slanted coverage, the bias that the present, object to the. then i look at other media.

souch shadow coverage, and this reporting and a pilot who freaked out, for example. car chase videos, another germanic tribe story. but what does that have to do with most people's lives? not much. crimes down in america. planes almost never crash. flying is safer than driving. we have real problems. medicare and social security are unsustainable. regulation kills job growth. government schools are lousy. that stuff matters. but is less exciting. so it is less coverage. still, i shouldn't complain too much because the days media is much better than it used to be. when i started in broadcasting there were three major channels. so when walter cronkite ended his newscasts saying, that's the latest, we pretty much had to take his word for it. now we have so much choice. of wider range of voices to

liberal and conservative. a few libertarians. also, people don't have to rely on gatekeepers. we can hear it firsthand when president obama says this to a russian leader. >> after my election. john: and much more debate about serious stuff. in july you said everything was great. of that people bought stock and lost everything they had. oh, yes. no, yes. don't give me any of that. we just heard the words. you may not like the yelling, but it is good. the truth often emerges from confrontation. so comediennes give theirs. if. >> how did ron paul become the 13th floor in the hotel? john: good to hear all these opinions. finally, i love it that there are no enough channels so that i could say what i want to say. for 20 years at abc news lawyers

and producers come through by scripps to meditate this out are told that tab. most of them were unfamiliar with free-market or hostile to the. usually i could persuade them to let me say most of what i wanted to say as long as i soften the sides. too many stories of four boards were just not aired. your libertarian ideas are tiresome. we don't want to hear that. but at fox they just let me speak. many disagree with some of my ideas, but the big difference here is that difference is respected. they believe these different ideas deserve to be heard by getting to a political argument like my fights with john kennedy or bill o'reilly about, say, drug legalization. people arguing with me understand that they have a political position, to. at cbs and abc people acted as if the most important person in the building with political views as the. of course the truth is everyone has biases. i wish more reporters were

honest about that. at least today in the media we have choices. chocolate for mr. barre, and vanilla. some of it is a rich, but having the choice is great. that is our show. thanks for watching.