and eh and the vision that the ukrainian government and the ukrainian president have, to make sure, in some of their versions, the americans, as always , have a lot of versions about how we are going to confront the enemy, of course, that the summit in, which is to be held in switzerland, it's a matter of president biden's participation, er, in this summit, so far there is no news that president biden has confirmed participation in the summit, er, and the next thing is of course er, how much american weapons are now delivered to, delivered to ukraine in a timely manner. i think that's all revolved around these topics, but at the same time there were also tracks in... you probably already know the tracks

about democracy, about the possibility of holding democratic elections, about the fact that the united states is still monitoring the internal situation in ukraine, so there were a lot of topics, it seems to me that this is still such a visit, if not iconic, then at least comprehensive in terms of the topics that were on it. certificates i have already mentioned, mr. viktor, about this security agreement, the draft of which is currently being considered by both the american and ukrainian sides, respectively. and blinkin during speaking at the kyiv polytechnic institute , he spoke about this security agreement, which will be calculated for 10 years. let's hear what the secretary of state of the united states of america said. under our agreement, the united states will support ukraine's security and

defense with a full range of military capabilities, from the air force and air defense to drones and mine clearance. our bilateral security agreement will accelerate our joint efforts to build ukraine's defense industrial base so that you can produce your own artillery, ammunition, air defense and other important weapons that you need here in ukraine. mr. victor. since you say that blinken could not bring some kind of peace agreement there, does it mean that for the biden team there are any negotiations at all now about possible agreements there or about some process that is initiated by, well, in particular putin, when he says that the chinese have prepared a peace plan, although this peace plan, if we consider these 12 points, seems to be the 12 that were made public on the 24th.

february 23rd is not really a plan, it is just the position of beijing, does this mean that the question of whether russia should answer for war crimes in ukraine, for what they have been doing for the past two years, at least, that this issue is a matter of principle for the biden administration, and this is the position of the future presidential candidate. of the united states of america, joseph biden? i think the americans understand very clearly that putin is waiting for the results of the elections in the united states of america. and accordingly, the kremlin plans to sit down at the negotiating table with the future president of the united states of america. that is, by that time, i... i doubt that there will

be at least any intention to sign a peace agreement, i 'm not talking about the peace agreement itself, from putin's point of view, everything is going very well for him on the front right now, the offensive is underway, he captures new territories, he raises the stakes once again, he enters the kharkiv region. it was announced that an event is also possible in some neighboring region, that is, from the point of view of the fact that he is promoting his ambitions, he is just ready, i think so, to go to some kind of peak the level of his aggression, just in the final stretch of the presidential elections in the united states of america, i think that... he

still has a plan brewing in his head, that if trump comes, it will be easier for him to negotiate about aid to ukraine, or rather about her absent and in this case, it may be one of the plans being considered in russia. if the democratic candidate is the winner, i think they have another plan, and that plan will also involve, obviously, an invitation to the negotiating table, but again, putin is once again confirming what, what he spoke in 2000. in the seventh year, he wants a return to the warsaw peace treaty, where he will rule part of europe, this is his strategic task, this is his plan, and he is moving forward with this plan, unfortunately. antony blinken, while on a visit to

kyiv, took part in a concert of a local band in one of the underground bars of kyiv, let's listen and see how it all went, because yesterday there was enough of a sharp reaction. social networks, that is, some said that how come he sings neil young songs during the war, others say that neil young is the man who sued trump back in 2000 for using tracks at his campaign rallies without his permission, so let's listen and draw our own conclusions about how and what blinken did in the underground bar in kyiv. look, i know this is a very, very difficult time, your soldiers, your citizens, especially in the north east and kharkiv oblast, are suffering tremendously, but they should know, you should know the united states is with you,

most of the world is with you, they are not fighting only for ukraine, but also for the free world, and this free world is also with you, so what, let's try. mr. viktor, did i understand correctly that blinken, while in the ukrainian capital, gave a great excuse to trump? well, i think that it was done for something, that is , it is not necessary to say that it is impromptu. that is, this is a prepared story, look, pay attention to which side, well, that is, this is a left-handed guitar, that is, this is exactly the guitar that was prepared exclusively for blinken, i will say, i will also say that

blimken was one of the initiators of the approval in the state department of such programs. which was called democracy because music, and this is a very big program, when american singers traveled around the world and preached precisely democratic values, and at the opening of this program, blinken also played the guitar, that is, it is already a kind of, you know, a remake of those ideas that blinkin started earlier , but i repeat, it was not an extremity. it was a prepared speech and it is obvious that the video that you showed a piece of there showed, obviously, that this is exactly what is being said about her decision and about this frame, which will be

used during the possible election campaign and the very end of our conversation, mr. viktor, tomorrow putin has to go to beijing, and the day before in an interview with a chinese agency. xinhua, he said that the chinese peace plan, which provides for the start of negotiations on the current front line, can be the basis of the diplomatic process regarding ukraine. i will quote putin: "we want a comprehensive , stable and fair settlement of this conflict by peaceful means, and are open to dialogue regarding ukraine, but these should be negotiations that take into account the interests of all of the countries involved in this conflict, including our interests in the group of a serious conversation." about global stability, about security guarantees and opposing parties and of course for russia, and these should be reliable guarantees, in short, mr. viktor, what does putin want? i already said what putin wants? putin wants a direct

dialogue on the division of the world with the united states of america, which is true, there is a problem here, because sidneypin also wants a bipolar education, where there is china and the united states of america, and there are no others just can to make just the skeleton that will be. will divide the world into spheres of influence, russia wants to participate in this process, but don't believe what putin says. all his words about peace plans are simply words about the capitulation of ukraine. these are words that have absolutely nothing to do with reality. here it will be very revealing whether sidney pinh will come to switzerland for this summit. peace, and for us it will be a very indicative position of china, because

there are a lot of good words, a lot of right words written in the chinese chinese so-called peace plan, but this for all the good against all the bad, let's get back to reality. thank you, on this note we will put an end to our conversation, it was viktor shlinchak, the chairman of the board of the institute of world politics, friends, we continue to work on the air of the tv channel and conduct surveys throughout our evening, and we ask you about this, whether they have eu countries to return conscripts to ukraine, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, on tv, you can already see the interim results of the poll, 77%, yes 23%, no, if you are sitting in front of the tv and you have a smartphone in your hands, vote 0.800 211 381 if eu countries should return conscripts to ukraine 0.800 200. 11372 no. gasoline trimmers are so heavy, loud

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to return the men conscripted the day before. germany has said that they will not do this, even though men abroad will not receive consular services, as was already decided before the mobilization law, until its implementation by 18 since may, for almost three weeks there has been a ban on issuing or providing consular services for men who are conscripted abroad. germany said that if the ukrainians cannot renew their documents in the checkpoints located outside of ukraine, they will provide ukraine, ukrainians will be provided with documents so that they can live and work in europe, and we have we already have our guests, this is viktor boberenko,

an expert of the policy analysis bureau, mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good health to you, and volodymyr fesenko, political scientist, chairman of the board of the penta applied political research center. i congratulate you, mr. volodya. good evening, i greet you. good evening. thank you, gentlemen, for being with us today. because we ask our tv viewers and viewers whether, in their opinion, the countries of the european union should return conscripts to ukraine. i will also ask you what you think about this, because the discussion continues, and obviously this discussion will continue even after may 18, when the law changes the order of mobilization and accounting for conscripts, what do you think about whether the countries of the european union should go to a meeting with ukraine and hand over or return conscripts, or how this issue should be resolved, let's start with mr. viktor, they are not obliged to return

our citizens to us , this is the first, second, just... european tradition, if there, well, let it look pacific for someone, if you don't want to fight, why don't we force you to fight, and they have no legislative basis, not enough moreover, there are no ethical grounds, so all the efforts of our government are somewhere something to do here, it’s just eh, it’s such a bluff in front of your own, thank you, mr. volodymyr, it’s... bluff: it’s the norm of the law, the norm of the law must be the same, otherwise we talk a lot, the orange revolution, the law must be the same for everyone , revolution... dignity, the law should be the same for everyone, and for some reason we now forget during a war such as this war for the survival of the country, and for some reason we

forget that the law should be the same for everyone, for those who are in in ukraine, it should work, for those abroad, it does not should work and why? i agree with the fact that there are no mechanisms for the return of those who are abroad, militarily obliged, so there are no such intentions, where. intentions to return them, the intentions are only simple, so that people who are conscripts, who ended up abroad, at different times, under different circumstances, some illegally, some quite legally, they just have to register for military service, or restore himself on the military register, that's all, no requirements, no, shall we say, mechanisms, tools, return of ukrainians who... who ended up abroad in ukraine, to mobilize them, there is no such thing, there is only a simple norm that they should be registered for the military, that's all, gentlemen,

the question is how it will affect the intentions, further intentions of ukrainians who are now living abroad, it is clear , that not everyone escaped through the yew or not everyone bought a ticket at the border service for that, or at a volunteer organization, and through the system. left the road, not everyone was ticketed there, obviously there are people there who had the right to leave there, it is clear that the rule of law works for everyone, with on may 18, everyone must register for military service , those who have not been registered, and those who are registered for military service must update their data in the tsk or in the electronic office or in the tsnap, but there are already statistics from the results of the kmis sociology survey, only half of the ukrainians... who currently live in germany, poland and the czech republic, are ready to return to ukraine. they cite security, normal functioning of critical infrastructure,

the availability of housing and work, as well as the end of a full-scale invasion of russia as the main conditions for their return. federation. in what way, gentlemen, in your opinion, can the ukrainian state convince those who are abroad, and there is a large enough number... the number of ukrainians there is up to seven, it seems to be millions, to return to ukraine, because it is clear that the situation in ukraine is now difficult, but obviously victory will be ours, the only question is when, and what words should be said now to those ukrainians who are abroad in order for them to perceive ukraine as the state, citizens that they are, and... somehow associate their the future with ukrainian by the state, mr. viktor, i think that the main method here is the sincerity of the authorities in the dialogue and not

only the posts on sending what is there like , look there, but actually trying to do something so that people believe, but i think that already in in the process of this dialogue, the government. society, the authorities have gone so far in their incompetence, unwillingness to communicate, that hardly anyone will believe, even after there were, at first, barbecues and people shouted: there is no need to panic, now on the contrary, there is an excess of panic in sumy oblast and kharkiv oblast , maybe with on the part of the government, there is no dialogue, and the first is just simple sincerity, yes, the second is, well, like in preference... there is such a concept: we lay down, lie down, yes, this is when we cover up all the laws that look, look, when you come back,

this, this, this is waiting for you, if you don't like this, we can fix it, well, for example, in the same lithuania, they give those who return to young people, immediately there an opportunity without an interest-free loan there to open their own business, or it... may be there mzhk program of youth and housing lending or the possibility of free admission there , well, well, the state cannot guarantee that there is an external examination, but it means some kind of transparent class admission, which is almost guaranteed for intelligent children to enter higher education institutions here, that is, what do we say, we are sincere and frank with you, come back, and secondly, you are waiting for the first, second, for those who are now fighting

for ukraine, risking their lives at the front, and for their families, children of these people who are fighting at the front, or for those , who is abroad, for who in the first place, here here, here again you are right when you say that the law should be the same for everyone, no, but i do not, here i do not agree, or here i do not agree, i am with you, i am with you don't care benefits, that veterans should have benefits, their children should have benefits, there for rehabilitation, for treatment, there for what norms do we have there, there obtaining 2 hectares outside the city limits or 10 acres within the limits of a large city, yes , veterans should have their own veteran's benefits, but we have to do something to lure our citizens from abroad.

to lure, it is not necessary to lure, when you are going to lure, then we will rather lure not those who fled the country and do not want to be in this country, but those who want to work in the territory in which there are interesting opportunities for development, for business and so on, i don't want to be hypocritical, but let's assess the situation realistically as it is, those who left... after february 24, 22, they were fleeing the war, two-thirds, if not more, of those who left, these are women and children, and there should be only one policy, there are people who left before the 22nd year, and again, let's be honest we admit, we left since 1991, we left in the 90s, there was a huge migration, and most of those people who left then.

they did not return and are not going to return to ukraine, they left in the 2000s, they left both to the west, to european countries, and to russia, guest workers, labor migrants, many people worked temporarily, many returned to ukraine, those who did not found myself there, now the war is the main factor, if the war ends, those who want to return will return, ah, and this is not about benefits, the point is that first of all the main condition, this study that was quoted, it shows just that: the war, first of all, the main reason is the war, the end of the war, there will be no risks, no security problems, then people will start to return , those who left, here is another question, where to return, or? will there be

housing, will there be work, it is not about businesses, a smaller part of people can do business, this has long been researched, yes, the main thing here is that there is somewhere to return to, that there is housing, that there is work, and then part people will return, some will not return, and this has already been proven by practice, even by peaceful people in peacetime before the current full-scale war, so let's not fantasize here, don't... remember some, you know, don't paint potomkin villages and so on, but now it's about moral, here it was said about ethics, a moral choice, yes, if a person did not want to defend his state now, i have a big question, yes, we already have sociologists now recording a split in society, not as a result of the actions of the government, i understand your logic, in it's all the government's fault, that's how we had power.

different 30 years and each period under different presidents and governments, people left, even when there was no war, so the question is not in the power, the question is where you want to live, how you should develop, in which country you want to realize yourself in at home or abroad, as a state, but i agree about the state, after the war, because now the situation is different, i will tell you now, the question is not in words to those who have to... return, these words and mechanisms, communication is necessary will look for when the war will end, or when it will be clear that it is ending, then we will have to deal with the solution of this problem, and today, unfortunately, the question is a moat, we need to survive for the country, the state and us in this state, first of all, and not those who is abroad now.