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a former correspondent of the unyuan agency of russia, roman tsimbalyuk, i congratulate mr. roman at the customs office, which he controlled, but who controlled whom, and now it’s not just about you, hello-hello, yes, we have entered into some conspiratorial conversation, as usual, but , unfortunately, they did not hear it. vitaly, do you hear the question? can you hear me i heard you, and you heard me, yes, i heard you, even when you thought i didn't hear you. aha, well, we're in touch, let's talk about how to control and moderate our future ourselves. so, in the russian federation, the deputy minister of defense of russia timur ivanov, one of the most high-ranking heads of the ministry, was arrested, and here is your version of what is actually happening there around this arrest, because unlike these recent events, this is a high-profile arrest, in fact, a serious one a figure, a person who was responsible for... all, i would

say, logistical and technical acquisition of the ministry of defense of the russian federation, and his corruption was written about for years by all anti-corruptionists in russia, western media, that that he was corrupt, it seems to me that there, i don’t know who didn’t know, it seems to me that even the housekeeper ivanova and the housekeeper of those anti-corruption officers who were investigating knew that they were corrupt, but now putin found out why it's... it's interesting, the main thing here is that all the cleaners in those and others are not one and the same people who work for the relevant bodies, well, that also happens, but yes , vitaly, i think we are of the same opinion here , well, it is clear that this topic is important in part of the study of the enemy, but still it must be emphasized that this will not affect the course of the war, and it is not the corrupt people who determine... the course

of this war, although of course to me people who buy diamonds, apartments, and airplanes for their wives, they are much more like those who buy tanks for their army, well, everything that threatens, threatens us, what happened, well , it seems to me that this is such, you know, such a period when vladimir putin is bleeding so that everyone knows that he the main one, but... how is the person to whom the blood is to be let determined, well, here or there there are lots, or there are those who whisper something in his ears, i mean vladimir putin, and here is this timur and his team, they are still such hedonists with a capital letter g, but they love life and emphasize it in every way, and well i don't know, but the conditions at the front and... the living conditions of this

person, of course, they are very different. there is also a conspiracy version that this same ivanov, he, he, he is primarily responsible for military construction, that is... all territories, property, barracks, well, they build in the occupied territories, etc. he, including by order of shaigu, was responsible for the construction of this temple, the ministry of defense, this is a black meeting of satan, and where the defeat of hitler is exhibited as the main exhibit, he was actually personally responsible for it, it is clear, and there were relevant statements, they they even explained it there. somehow , at some stage, they were uncomfortable that they had a hitler cap in the temple, well, this person was responsible for it, and maybe, well , there is some part of the anti-fascists, here we take the anti-fascist women, of course, they put

a blow to this, someone thinks that they are digging under the shoiga, well, let's face it, corruption is not in the russian federation. some kind of shortcoming, for which they punish and remove the rescue or so on, well, maybe this is a reason to remove it, what with the campaign, it’s just the army - it’s a huge resource, not everyone, i would say that not simply huge in all belligerent states, and we, by the way, are no exception in this regard, the main resources in the ministries of defense, including ours, well, we generally have our western friends, but none the less. well, to think about whether putin will replace shoigu or not, well, you can as much as you like, but if from a political point of view, if he wanted to do it, he would have already done it, now they are coming, in

principle, russian television tells that a little more and there will be some kind of victory there, and shoigu needs him in the last resort. in order to say to him in case of something that this is his, his, his there, in short, he will either be removed as a result of failure at the front, which is unlikely while the war is going on, or already before, i don't know, well, there is an opinion that at some stage the negotiations will start anyway, and even then at this stage, at the moment i don't see anything threatening the puck, they didn't survive that much, they are a shame on the 22nd. year, everyone went through together with yerasimov, there were changes in the commanders of the lower, lower ranks, but the majority remained, and this is not connected with the war, these personnel duels, or how many of them take

part in it, well, it seems to me that when ukrainians are interested in this with this story, the concern is not so much how it relates to war, but how it relates to stability regime, do you understand? because many people see in all these clan games in the russian federation signs of a certain instability of the regime, well, they want to see, i don’t know, i am not a supporter of this theory, first of all, in regimes of such, such a level, such, such a structure, everyone is very they like to think about the topic that putin will be taken there, he will die there, he was supposed to be sent away or something else, but at the moment, all the people who are currently in russian territory, there is no evidence that something has started in someone there to change, the population there are some questions asks, no one asks anything,

they pretend that nothing is happening, that is, they say that they are super there for the war, but some of them are for the war, most of them look down, but... the main thing , so that it did not concern me, and therefore, well, obviously the politicians, well, such and such an approach, and it is, in fact, very convenient for the authorities, some, well, the measures that they pass, carry out there, well, this punitive mechanism, honed , the russian guard, the police, they no longer even have anyone to screw over there, navalny was killed, murdered in... his supporters have been announced there are terrorists and very bad people, and it is necessary to work somehow, and to show it to everyone, so at the moment, to be honest, i said from the very beginning that we should

proceed from the fact that we do not need to invent what is there a little more and something will break down there, and they will take care of themselves, and it will not affect the course of the war, and yet it seems to me that it is more of a competition inside there. between different groups, they are the security forces competing there, primarily among themselves, the ministry of internal affairs, the ministry of defense, well, of course. by the way, about all this competition and such another thing, what do you think in general, when the minister of foreign affairs of poland radislaw sikorski says that putin will not be able to use nuclear weapons because the russian military may be against it and then they will get rid of putin, how much does this reflect a realistic vision of how it is decided, if you want decision in russia, i wouldn't

count on such a move, the same radislav stikorsky, he says a lot, he even compares vladimir putin and hitler right there, but when we wonder, would hitler if he had nuclear weapons, would he use them or not, probably the answer is that he would still use them, i understand that the western world is so cautious now, so... a little so that ukraine does not fall, but also so that there was not, i don’t know, the defeat of the russian federation there, although they have resources, and they have missiles, and all this talk that they did not have 155-caliber projectiles there, it’s just not like that , because in the nato armies, well, they are used to shooting not only from guns, you can always find military-technical decision, but this is caution, i do not blame the west here, they have... i also understood, there is a maniac, a pervert, with a nuclear bomb, with

a population that, in principle, sings a very joyful song: "uncle vova, we are with you , in the last battle, blah blah blah", well, it is related to this, but when the politicians say that he will not use it because something will hinder him, the military, the weather, orsk drowned there or something else, well, it's kind of very risky, it's also experts, political scientists. journalists and even bloggers can be there in order to collect likes and subscriptions, they can say no, by no means, we didn't die, or on the contrary, we all died, well, that's how this business works, but after all , the responsibility lies with the officials, it's a little different, and it seems to me, well, the western world still needs to be helped we thus assume that all options are possible. your opinion, vitaly? i also think that it should be assumed that all

options are possible, but maybe there are some other fuses, right? in addition to the russian generals, there is the position of the people's republic of china, which may be strategic uncertainty on the part of the west, and they somehow oppose this strategic uncertainty, but could they advocate in such a situation with a nuclear strike, maybe putin would get it. this is just a continuation of this part of our conversation about the fact that the west is so cautious, they all go to china, and now scholz and antony blinkin have left, and i am convinced that everyone is asking questions first , comrades, what is there, like his nuclear bomb, in what condition is he, what do you think, of course we are competitors, well, we want, i don't know, to survive together, to survive, and... in these models, whatever it is, both china and the western world, it's still

a model of development, people want to make beautiful cars, they , they want to live, they want to wear glasses, they don’t want to die, they just go to heaven, they don’t want to, and this is a reason for interaction, so again , by all indications, he has a colossal influence on moscow, no one well, this is not disputed, but who said that it is a 100% guarantee that comrade xi controls putin, well, someone can give such guarantee, it generally seems to me that the relations between the russian federation and china, they were also different, and at some stage they may change again, at the moment it is not such a prospect, it is... this, these, these, these schedules in different theaters of military operations , but nevertheless, so i don’t know,

it seems to me that the officials need to work more on this topic with their chinese friends and with their arab friends, even more so maybe even with african ones, well, here are the people with whom vladimir putin communicates, it actually quite narrow, not so, not there no, not the whole hall, they can really sit for one now. thank you, mr. roman, roman tsimbalyuk, a journalist, former correspondent of the unian agency of the russian federation, was in touch with us, and now we will talk about another post-soviet country simply. about georgia, valery chichilashvili, georgian diplomat, former ambassador of georgia to ukraine, russia, moldova, was on the air, will be on the air now, mr. valery, congratulations, i congratulate you, it is very nice to be with you, thank you for the invitation , so what happens in general, that is explain to our viewers why the authorities in georgia

decided to adopt this infamous law on the foreign agency, although it... does not need it, does not change the situation before the elections, if only for the worst, worsens the conditions of european integration of georgia, what is happening, what is happening in bidzina's head imanishvili? well , this is a very difficult question, and i am probably not the right expert, because i did not have the opportunity to communicate with mr. bidzina ivanishvili, but what is clear is that georgia is now thrown in. uh, into another spiral of fierce resistance, and she did it, she did it the georgian dream, and what goals did it have, this is also a very good, good question, the biggest goal of the georgian dream is

to win the parliamentary elections now, which will take place. georgia in october of this year, and apparently they believe that, in this way, they are asserting their positions in the election process, because it is clear that this step is aimed at more polarization of our society, and we have such a situation now that if the leader of the georgian dream and the main opposition political force of the united national movement mykhailo saakashvili won't make it to the parliament for two or three more parties, and i remind you that we have a barrier of five 5%, which is a georgian georgian

dream. will have a majority in the parliament and such a polarization of society, it is being done more restructuring of voters' votes in favor of the first and second parties, therefore , this opinion may be, but i must say that this is a very risky game, because the majority of supporters of the georgian dream, также также they are for the european european prospects and aspirations of georgia, and it can to be a very, very big mistake

for the election process, and tell me, in general , there is enough strength in... the opposition to somehow at least stop this process, well, i say yes, very such people who have, have such a very high reputation in georgian society , these are the intelligentsia, athletes, and the student movement, very, very...

from the regions, people who work in various government positions, are mobilizing and they are moving, by the way, it will be interesting to see which one they have this resource is administrative, financial, because they will apply it in the election process too, and it is very interesting. but the situation is very complicated, because the day before , the european parliament made a resolution calling for sanctions to be applied against bedzin ivanishvili, and now the honorable

chairman has two such courses of action, the first, he can support this law, and this will determine that he finally fights with europe for all the consequences. ladies of this step, and the other thing is that he can soften the position and call this law from the parliament, which also determines the weakening of the political position, and this or these both directions are very, very difficult for him, and i think that right now he does not feel very , very well, in a good condition, so, but tomorrow we will see what, what they will do. will also be very interesting, but he got himself into this trap, so the question arises, for what, for what? and, he, he must have sprung this trap, but, but he, and, he, and

the georgian dream in general, they did not expect such a reaction from society, and such a reaction, a very powerful reaction from our strategic partners from european capitals, and brussels and washington, then... regime that such a development is very dangerous for the development of the georgian dream, because

visa-free travel is something that will shake the entire georgian society, and probably then it will be necessary to protect these 83 deputies of the georgian dream who gave their votes in the first reading, and tuesday as well will be and the second reading, let's see what, what, what will be done, as you think, mr. valery, but to what extent russia's role in these events can be traced, or, as, of course, of course, vitaly , can be traced, can be traced, because all capital, all our strategic partners tell us, don't do this, this is not a european law, this is putin's, russian law, only, then, such positive assessments are coming from moscow, saying that no, no, this, this is not russian law, it is very good that georgians are now looking after their

independence, this is the sovereignty of georgia and so on, therefore, it is clear who this law benefits and who it does not benefit, now the situation is very, very simple, georgian society and all our strategic partners on one side of the barricade, and partners on the other side. the georgian dream, the georgian dream, and that 's what experts or politicians call it, or whoever , or lavrov and piskov and solovyov and simonyan, i don't know who else, so when there is such a deviation from the position, i understand that this is some kind of influence was i believe that because these positions are very close, now the georgian dream and

moscow's, and tell me how you generally assess the relationship between kyiv and tbilisi now, in addition to this strange position of the georgian government in connection with the war in ukraine, because we expected absolutely another position, well, vitaliy, i would be here said that the position of georgian society should be shared. and the georgian government, because here i can remind you that in 2022 and 23, transfers from georgia to ukraine, that is, ordinary residents, were set at 40 and 35 million dollars, this determines that every li... citizen is georgia transferred exactly less than 10 dollars a year to ukraine and...

yes, i am listening to you carefully, mr. valery, do you hear me, yes, yes, yes, yes, i hear you carefully, and we, and we are very proud, we are very proud that, that you, we are very proud that thousands of our citizens, thousands of our compatriots. together with our ukrainian brothers and sisters are currently fighting on the fronts of ukraine for your freedom and ours, but it is clear that the position of the georgian government deserves so much criticism, and it is not only that it is incompetent and unprofessional,

because russia. .. first of all, this is the enemy and the enemy of georgia too, it is occupying, we have lost our voice, it seems to me, mr. valery, and if ukraine does not win, if ukraine does not win, it will be very difficult for georgia to turn away its freedom and independence, and vice versa, on the contrary, if ukraine wins... and i hope, i am sure, especially after this decision of the united states for 60 billion dollars, 61 billion dollars, that ukraine, ukraine will win, and this will determine our joint victory , therefore, all of society, experts, no matter how unassociated, understandably with the georgian dream, all criticize the georgian dream for this, for this policy and... the government too, and

you can explain such an electoral paradox: on the one hand, georgians support ukraine, and on the other hand, the same the people themselves are voting for the georgian dream, which obviously does not have much sympathy for the situation, why it is the way it is, how it is happening in general, this is the question, this question in general applies not only in the politics of georgia to ukraine, but also...

and we let's do everything so that georgia is not involved in the war and so on, that's one question, and the second question is that after 2018, all the elections that were held in georgia, they were worse and worse, and not only our experts say this here in georgia, and also

european experts and... and and and the others too, so very much it is important that now, that now we do everything to ensure that these elections in october this year are competitive, fair and open, and this is also, perhaps, the goal of the georgian dream, by applying this law, to strengthen its influence on... . informational space and create more comfortable conditions for our own possible victory in october, therefore , unfortunately, a very difficult, very difficult period awaits us, but georgian society will also fight for the european aspirations and prospects of ukraine and...