punishment, somehow it turns out here that there is awareness of the crime, there is no punishment, well, there are three points here, colleagues, i really thank you for an interesting conversation for our viewers, it was a verdict program, larisa voloshyn, oleksiy mustafin and danylo mokryk were in it, i i am grateful to you, and i also thank the audience for their attention, see you in the verdict, serhiy rudenko, and i thank you for your attention too. glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on the espresso tv channel, studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this week, in particular, we will talk about the historical the decision of the united states to provide us with the necessary financial and military assistance, while at the same time we will analyze the medium-term prospects of a protracted war with the russian

federation, our guests today are myroslav cheh, a member of the polish diet of the second and third term, as well as the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat roman bezsmertyy. myroslav cech, a historian, publicist, second- and third-term member of the polish diet, will be working on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, myroslava, congratulations. well, joseph biden made a decision, not just a decision, but a strategic decision, and here we understand that it is not only about money, an extremely large amount, it is about etakem. and that the united states was already on standby, waiting for the decision of the last, the last signature, the last signature in order to begin, to resume the normal supply of ammunition , and so on. it is extremely important for the attacks, it is not just about weapons, but about symbolic weapons and about the so-called red lines drawn on the kremlin's forehead. well, firstly, attack camps, as the media reports. 100 are reported

range up to 300 km, the decision was already made in february, and they arrived in ukraine in march, and have already been used twice by the ukrainian armed forces for attacks, among others on the airfield in dzhankoy, which is very revealing, that is, we understand that they are attacking, they should be used only on the territory of ukraine, including, of course , the occupied territories, but this means that if the vast majority of them will be used and in larger quantities, then this will mean that the russians in crimea will be very, very bad , from which we can only rejoice, yes, well, but on the other hand, this does not cancel a large-scale war, so we understand that may, june, july will be extremely fierce, and here is the key story, if we take the medium-term strategic prospects of support from the european union and the united states. states,

i.e., how far they are now ready to go in brussels, in individual capitals, in particular in berlin, paris and washington. well, when determining how far they are willing to go, it is now necessary to listen to jens stoltenberg, this, the secretary general nato, which declared that military targets on the territory of the russian federation, and not on the occupied territory of ukraine, are legitimate targets for the armed forces of ukraine. that is, everything that... the detachment that serves the russian army on the territory of russia can be exposed to being the target of attacks from ukraine, this is a very far-reaching declaration that did not exist six months ago, as well as the statements of jens stoltenberg about the decisions of the countries members of nato about the military mission of nato, which should help ukraine, the statement of yes stoltenberg, when in america it was not determined whether there would be help or not.

help that nato can take over the entire burden of aid to ukraine, and not in the tramshtai format, which the americans immediately denied, we are the leaders here, but let's not move, and this only meant that the role of europe and the european members of nato is growing, which, in principle, are the mouths of macron, but the same should be said of donald tusk, and to a certain extent of jens. berg, they stated that there is, there may be a situation in the future where the european members of nato will transfer all assistance to ukraine to themselves, which cannot be gratifying in the context of what we have seen during six months in america, yes, but in any case we understand that ensuring our defense is not only about money, it is anti-missile defense systems, it is the systems of patriots, and we also understand what is happening now, that is, the russians have shown... their criminal tactics,

that is, well, on the example of kharkiv, the same thing, that is, to completely cut off the city and then try to turn it, well, into a wasteland. one patriot. the battery of patriots is already there, as i understand it, germany is transferring, greece and spain are next in line, which have patriots, they wanted some kind of enhanced guarantees of financial compensation from other nato member countries, and also one by one battery, this should be provided by the united states, so that when it comes to building and providing for the patriots, it will be summer. i understand that the situation was complicated simply by the training of the pilots, well, unfortunately, this process did not take place at the pace of the ukrainians, conditionally mastering the high-flyers, which took place there for three weeks and the high-flyers with pilots were already ready, after all with the f16, it should continue for a long time , because the preparation

pilots in full-time mode, it is 2.5 years, and in fact 5 years, here in ukraine it will take place in a year and there in 3-4 months, that is, later... it started like this, instead, it is going at a rapid pace, is going at a rapid pace pace, but still slowly, so we understand that russia is training troops, russia is preparing additional resources not only of manpower, but also technical resources, and we understand that russia has set itself the goal of a long war, a protracted war, and at the moment they are proactive, that is, they exhibit aggression as soon as we receive atakamsy, the situation may change, well, but... in any case , everyone was very worried when president macron started talking about the front line, which can run along the dnieper, and accordingly, how the vision of what needs to be done and what will be done has changed now our diverse

allies, friends and so on are ready to go. intimidation by the fact that russia has armed itself to the teeth, and it is ready to reach the english channel, if there is no nato unification and a strengthened defense. and experts and the military, not as tragic as it might seem, to them, i understand, with all my well, support and all the feelings that can be expressed to the residents of kharkiv, who every day are the target of those terrorist attacks from russia, but to take such a city as kharkiv. this, as i understand it, all military experts say that it would take several hundred thousandths of a thousand russian hordes, avdiyivka was taken by a russian group that numbered more than 80 thousand soldiers, and it took them several months there, and even in the hint they say,

that if there had been earlier supply of shells, artillery shells, then the avdiivka would never have was not taken, even jack sullivan said about it, and this is such a leading pigeon in our country. peace and everything else in america and so on, and he said that if you had given help earlier, then avdiyuka would not have fallen, well, but avdiyukka fell and now it is about maintaining the front line. what i mean is that it is a war of attrition, in fact the russians may think they are winning, but this is far from the case, because the americans have the same understanding of several factors as the europeans. first of all, russia cannot win a war of attrition by definition, it is too much weak, confrontations with nato, with, that is , the european union, the united states, canada, this is clearly, moreover, the potential of europe itself, both in the defense sphere

and in the military, already in the narrower sense, that is, both aircraft and artillery and the armed forces themselves, the military and so on, can be opposed in... russia and russia will not be afraid of a conditional attack against nato. it has been fighting against ukraine for more than 10 years. let's not forget that this is a war. the issue of the level of intensity of fighting. well, now we see that the level of intensity is not decreasing, only gradually, gradually still it is added, although it's just hell in some parts of the front. well, it is. therefore, first of all, this potential cannot be equaled. russia will not win a war of attrition. this is the first. second, long-term. perspective and this process has already begun, the west has switched its attention not only to providing ukraine with weapons and money, but also to restoring ukraine's economic potential and defense potential. now they are going, well, as i understand it, because some cases are secret,

of course, but extensive work is underway to restore the work of ukrainian defense factories, production and projectiles and everything else from the speech of american officials , it can be understood that now america and europe will do everything to ensure that ukraine stands very firmly on its feet, that is why the transfer of atakamsya. i calculate, of course, that this is repelling russian planes with cabs and so on, but in fact it is about crimea, about novorossiysk, about the black sea fleet, that is, ensuring the safety of odessa and black sea ships, so that ukraine has an open window for exports, imports and exports of its products and import of products from the world, that is, to be an economically capable state. the military goals now, as i understand it, are for ukraine to level the front line and gain the capabilities to

inflict such losses on the russians that they will not have the opportunity to compensate them, now that is what all military experts say, the russians are mobilizing somewhere around 30-40 thousand of the military every month, somewhere around two 25-30 thousand are destroyed, and it is about their losses. greater, as opportunities for mobilization, and this is what we are talking about now, and the third factor, which we do not not we can omit absolutely, this is what the americans are already directly declaring, and state secretary blinkin went to pakin to talk with china and say so, friends, you have to decide whether you support russia, then you will have sanctions and you will have a problem with the full program , as those who support the aggressor, or you curtail... this aid, because i must say, i did not know this figure, but it is impressive that 90% of machine tools for the production

of barrels, and there tanks, and shells and so on, supplied to brosia by china, 70%, no i know there are still some separate devices, so joe biden spoke with sisius pinim, he warned him that you are coming to a point where we will use all means against you, and then... come, talk, that's all the day before the swiss peace forum, that's what we 're actually approaching, what will the observers from beijing come to switzerland with, we understand that the russians will not be there, they would rather be, well, maybe the belarusians would be observers, for now i i have no information, in any case the civilized western world will be outlined. one's parameters, vision, not only peace formulas, but also readiness to support ukraine,

i.e. the alignment of geopolitical clocks, what will happen now in switzerland, will happen in switzerland, the event has been decided, the event has been decided, representatives of the so-called global south will come there, and the only question is, which is, whether china will come or not, belarus is like that, with all due respect to belarus and the belarusian people, of course, whether china will come even as an observer. and if not a participant and so on, that is, the negotiations are ongoing, and so is china really stands at such a crossroads, whether it will be or not, instead it talks about the global south, the principles on which a new world order can be established and a formula for ending the war in ukraine can be decided, it is also written, the formula is the plan of president zelensky, where the first the point is the observance of sovereignty and inviolability. ugh this is the first point.

the rest is secondary to this first point. and the first point will determine everything. that's why the russians are doing, standing on their ears conditionally, in order to torpedo this summit, because summit, when you arrive and when you discuss the formula of president zelensky's peace plan, the first point is restoration. well, of course, recovery within the boundaries of the 90s. therefore , everything will be determined here, either you stand on this side, or these, or on that side, and here it is impossible to stand like this between yours and ours. the formula, china's formula, that you can be a mediator and go to ukraine for some territorial compromises, it is ineffective and it will not... it will be good, but we understand, you can support ukraine, but germany strongly supports ukraine in this matter

supply of tauruses, there is a certain line that the germans do not want to cross. when we talk about aviation, we, we still talk about the f-16, not the f-35 and so on and so forth. we understand that the issue of delineating the framework is one story, and the readiness to adhere to and force russia to this or that peace formula is a little different, well, that is, on paper. very often everything looks very smooth, but when we talk about coercing russia, anton, well, the attackers have already arrived, the red lines have already been destroyed, those attackers are 300 km away, well, taurus. of course it would be good if they arrived, but this, this is not an insult, this is just a demonstration of what we can say and call for one, but this must always be followed by very specific, sometimes harsh actions, of course, everyone must help ukraine, that's the point, well, but there is the internal situation of individual states, well in america it took half a year with absolute persistence and full, but

full returns of president biden , it took half a year for the republicans to support this agreement, and then, well, half and half it was that in fact, how critically important it was what, what, what badge the president had biden, when he signed the agreement, when he signed this law, a badge with the flags of the united states and ukraine, not israel, not taiwan, or with all of them, only with ukraine, because it was a cardinal question that played, well played and... trump and johnson, that's what happened there, trump and and johnson, played by vladimir vladimirovich putin, because he gave an interview to carson this, what he calls carson, taxon, yes, tucker, in early february, he gave an interview where he revealed that he deals cards in the american election, and it is an american one

dep, reaganites, republicans, because there are still such, at the same time holding their heads. the intelligence, defense, and foreign affairs committee of the house of representatives, they are such reagan hawks, so they were very upset, because vladimir vladimirovich came to say who the americans should elect as president, and he also says no, well, we actually it would be better for us if there was biden, well, these are not games like this with americans, well, that's why they were broken very much, and this breakdown... well, it happened so, well, so brilliantly, because once these trumpists managed to overthrow for the first time in 240 years, mccarthy was the speaker of the house of representatives, which was simply an unheard of phenomenon, here the democrats made a mistake , of course, that they supported this proposal, not without foreseeing the consequences that would come, and then their game with johnson began, which is also

his to dislodge the speaker from his chair, but it was not possible. and well, they say that there are various factors that played their role, they say that the court hearings of trump himself showed him that this cannot be so, it may be that he will not be a candidate, because when he will be, i heard such the version that donald trump understood, so that he played his isolationist card and exhausted certain resources, so to speak, of his electoral sympathies, he needs to go to another field, that is, that he, so to speak... should be big a player, and not a pro-russian figure or another, because the issue of russian aggression against ukraine is serious, even for american politics, so you think well of donald trump, i am a little worse than him, i just see johnson's behavior, yes, that is johnson johnson, i think, was played, he really wanted the republicans to keep the party

unity, but it didn't work out, and he was faced with such a situation that stefanchuk would have gone against the decision. for example, president zelensky, so we understand that johnson is not the speaker of the congress by himself, but he secured the support of trump and after that vote, trump said that he is our good guy, that is, trump supported johnson and it must be said, he supported, why, why , why, why, i think that there was such a clear situation and it is based on such a very serious matter, that is... you get access to all the intelligence data, as the speaker of the house of representatives at briefings, almost presidential information, and there it was written in black and white, as i understand it, johnson himself simply said, it is no secret, he they said yes, if he did not support ukraine, then it was necessary to send our soldiers and our boys to europe, to protect nato, and

then it was the responsibility of such a person who knew that they would send american boys to die and did not... provided aid to ukraine, although ukraine is heroic opposes russian aggression, then the responsibility is punishment, ugh, before an american court, well, john trump is being reprimanded for many cases, among others, for january 6, 2020, that’s true, nothing is forgotten, there the citizen goes to court and let’s go , and then the parents of those boys who, for example, would have died in europe, because they had to be sent to some... in a conditional lithuania or in a conditional poland or in estonia, and then johnson would be there, they said, you're a dude, you should the opportunity to prevent my son from dying, and you did. and what's so good, well you yourself mentioned the story about the return of the boys, and accordingly we understand that ukrainian citizens are now in

the european union and in poland, in particular, hundreds of thousands of millions of people, and accordingly , our ministry of foreign affairs has put forward such an initiative, in particular, when it comes to not providing temporary consular services until the law on mobilization comes into force, and accordingly, perhaps it would be worthwhile to enter from the other side, to start those or. other negotiations, in particular the captured capitals of the european union, in order to help ukraine to return their sons home. somehow, well, but in any case, the story caused a very heated discussion, that is, i do not know what to do with the non-provision of consular services, well, but if possible there are mechanisms for return, maybe it would be worth using them? well, of course there are mechanisms, i'm generally, well, i'm not a citizen of ukraine, but i'm generally surprised by the discussion about mobilization, well, i'm a little confused. in ukraine and feel the mood of society. in the half or the second half of last year, there were no such sentiments that people, let's say, did not understand that it would be necessary to mobilize. well, you understood, there is a state, its

needs, some of them have been at the front for two years, and reserves are needed, well, everything is clear. instead, a political game began around the issue of mobilization, and it was a parallel game. you love conspiracy theories, this should be watched, everyone loves conspiracy theories. why was the question of mobilization, which was not on the agenda of discussion by ukrainians, because trust in the armed forces of ukraine was complete, and still is, why neither rose nor fell in parallel with all those problems with the supply of arms to ukraine, military aid, financial aid, internal problems of confrontation, or conflict between the military leaders, began. the political leadership, where there were no grounds for this, i was told that those are unknown, but give me plans, because you, why you, why do you want to call up 400,000,

and not 500, and maybe they need less, who are you , to discuss it, there is room for it to go into the political plane, into the public plane, well, that was irresponsible, i'm sorry, and between others, the irresponsibility that emerges in today's situation, i know a little of those people who are in poland and in other countries, and there is a different contingent of people, some left earlier, some have already settled down, got a job, do not pass the ukrainian embassy, ​​ukrainian citizenship, yes, a person who already works there, but wants to return to ukraine, different situations, millions of different situations and in each one, instead, you attack so fiercely with an ax, without analyzing anything, and in fact, in fact, i cause doubt in a lot of people. to me it is necessary to keep in touch with such a country, there are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of students there, and by the 25th year, who are not subject

to mobilization at all, the law itself did not come into force, why, for example, the polish state could to help, for example, the ukrainian state, if our state would officially turn to warsaw, for example, there with a request to help put it on the record, for example, i don't know how to return it, and of course, even the vice prime minister. ukraine is asking if you have such citizens, how many there are, and so on polish services say teto, teto, teto, yes, so much, so much, for such, such, such categories. well, you and i will work to see how many of them voluntarily want to return to the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine. well, they say, he wants that much, tens of thousands, right? well, well, in

which order we establish that they will move to us, we provide them with this and that, well, these are civilized ways, and not in an emergency order, it is not known what, now the photos, that people rushed , they don't want to serve, which instead ukraine got absolute recognition in the world, boldness. unity and that which wants to defend itself, now this image is being destroyed due to attention to the strange actions, i will put it this way, very mildly, strange actions of the ukrainian authorities, which are not the actions of a normal bureaucratic system, the bureaucratic system works according to its own rules, according to laws and so on, and here it is necessary to prepare people for this, and other countries would calmly say, well, you think that you need to do this, we want to help you in this process. it is according to such and such rules, and everything is everyone's, and people know what they are waiting, not the image: my mother will throw me there in avdiivka or near avdiivka and there

i will die, well, that is not true. now the information is out, the command of the ground forces of ukraine says that the queues are lined up in front of the recruitment centers, well, people are normal about it, the state said, well, a lot of sociological surveys in the end very interestingly show that among men of conscription age, half are either ready to join voluntarily, or they will say, when the hanging comes, then we are leaving, half of the men are ready today, well, go to them in... a normal civilized way, and not in a way that scares you, why is that, i don't understand this approach, well, as they say, let's wait, we'll see, but at one time, aldous huxley wrote such an eloquent work called brave new world for a reason, in any case , thank you very much for the conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that myroslav cheh, historian, publicist, deputy of the polish diet of the second and third terms of office, was currently working on espresso, thank you, thank you. what is bahmud?

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