coherence in our joint efforts, and i am sure that now we all clearly understand that it is necessary to be together and maintain unity, so international cooperation, military power, now more decisive than ever, is the cornerstone of our commitment to help ukraine preserve our sovereignty, we held another meeting of the defense contact group today. of ukraine, i thank minister osyn for his leadership, for the participants of these meetings for two years. i thank the minister and general silsky, who are with us today joined thank you for your unwavering leadership and your contributions to the battlefield. thank you to all those who joined today for your work, for your efforts in helping ukraine. yes, war. russia in ukraine, it undermines

the rule of law, law, and now actually no country can feel one hundred percent security. as the marshal said, yes, military power, in this case we are talking about ukraine, it can be very important for it to repel unprovoked enemy actions, it is very important for it to feel someone, someone who would be behind her this support, and this support was and will be us. and... so we understand that now the world security is a challenge to the north atlantic alliance and the united states, in particular. now we're not talking about a lack of will, we're talking about logistics and supply issues. ukrainian soldiers, they now continue to support their efforts, they support the defense of ukraine, paying a huge price for it, expecting what we promised. and now russia, it... is gradually

strengthening its troops, they want to continue bite off piece by piece the ukrainian lands, we, we know that hope, as we say in america, that hope and hope are sometimes not enough, ukraine needs armor and artillery, and therefore right now we have to feel this urgency, recently there were announcements from our ... regarding the provision of what ukraine so lacks, and today the president of ukraine spoke about what ukraine needs. we provide another billion-dollar package for ukraine. this pack includes new powers, ammo, projectiles, missiles, systems, armor and critical systems air defense what the president just mentioned. we are trying to destroy the plan now. regarding

the long-term war in ukraine, the meeting of this group is extremely important, and we understand how far we can set the course of action that builds history, it is not only about ukraine, it is precisely about the role model of ukraine, because if russia wins, then the echoes of this will be felt around the world, far from ukraine, so ukraine is leading here. war, it fights for us, it acts preventively for us, and therefore we do not we can just stand aside now. george marshall knew this too, he knew that it is very important to collectively direct our efforts for the sake of peace and security, for the sake of international order, for that, for all countries, because we want the rule of law, we want democracy and. freedom, thank you,

i am ready to answer your questions. a representative of the associated press. mr. minister. today, president zelensky clearly said that ukrainians need air defense systems, not just missiles for them. please tell me please, is there any definite progress that has been made today on this clear from the announcement by the president. general brown, i have another topic for you here, regarding the gaza strip, there are many representatives of various security agencies, they are deeply concerned about the actual security in the region, please tell me , have there been any definite decisions regarding the situation in the gaza strip, in general, regarding the conflict in the region, please tell me about it. thank you very much. for the question, so when we

talk about the patriot systems and actually what we can get out of our fire extinguishers, all this... remains in the near future, we can only hope that we will be able to make further statements, because all countries are thinking about this, they understand what is necessary for this, so we have to work in this direction, work with our colleagues to to actually find these additional air defense systems that ukraine needs. good evening, today in the verdict program i will be your serhiy rudenko, and i am terribly pleased with this, we just had the opportunity to listen to the briching actually based on the results of the 21st security ramshtein, you heard everything yourself, there are colleagues,

journalists from various publications are training the representatives of oramshtein, and my fellow journalists are also ready at all costs. to analyze the most important topics of this week and today with me in the verdict program will be our colleague larisa voloshina, whom we congratulate, as well as oleksiy mustafina, journalist and e- journalist danylo mokryk, this is what a company we have, friends, i congratulate you, good day, well, i am decided that it was about the iron forks, knives and spoons that would be removed from russian airports and airplanes so that terrorists would not i... was used, about why the lutsk city council banned the cultivation of bananas in lutsk, the famous volyn bananas, we will not talk about that, but about the fact that the leader of the majority of the us senate, chuck schumer, has now become an honorary citizen of chortkov, it is probably worth talking about , the most important topic, of course

, as in ramstein, is the unblocking of all these 61 billion dollars of aid for ukraine, and in this case... when you are asked about the reaction to them from russia as an aggressor country, we see that the only there is no method, some say that it will not give anything to the armed forces of ukraine at the front, others sit in skabeev with sad faces and talk about ukrainian attacks, why this time the disinformation machine suddenly broke right in front of the eyes of the americans, well, in my opinion, the russians did not expect that ukraine would receive this help, they absolutely sincerely believed that the trumpists, johnson and so on and

trump himself would drag him to the election, and then they would negotiate with putin. i don't know why there was such a belief, maybe there were some agreements, maybe there were some hopes, and this is for... we are introducing this, let's remember that last time, when trump was elected president, champagne was uncorked in russia, they sincerely believed that he was now their president, and that's why they thought so, that's why this vote became a surprise for them, and secondly, it is necessary to somehow rearrange all their plans now, because it is obvious that putin planned to seize. can more ukrainian territories and already come to an agreement with trump according to the plan we saw, all these denazifications, where is there militarization, yet that, he still had something there, but the point was to pause and stop at the line that will be drawn up at

the moment of the same negotiations, and not between ukraine and russia, but between the united states and russia, and now, when it turned out that the united states had delivered such weapons, it becomes obvious that, first of all, this line will no longer be there, and secondly, question the very moment of the agreement with trump. today in russia they do not understand whether trump is even ready to talk to them about something? this is me now i see it simply because of this propaganda, and what is more called propaganda, what concerns all these warlords, strangely enough, they were silent after... the death of prigozhin for a very long time, they all pretended that there were no losses and everything was fine , and now they suddenly all collapsed loudly, what a nightmare and we will all die, this makes me more happy, let's be honest, not all of them collapsed, some started shouting and singing a song about how it won't help them, it's

a little thing, don't pay attention attention to this, let's collect all the opinions of all colleagues, oleksiy, i... i don't, i don't think, i don't agree with the fact that putin is going, or was going to, ah, negotiate something with trump, he was counting on trump's victory not in order to... negotiate with him , he is sure that trump will simply put pressure on ukraine in case of victory, as we actually know from orban's words, that is, he will stop helping ukraine altogether and will demand that the ukrainians stop, putin himself was not going to make any commitments even under such conditions to stop, so it seems to me that it is necessary here to adjust this position a little, but of course they will count... ugh, that trump will still complete the task that they

actually have for him, because it looks like they are methodical, they didn't have a plan b ready, and that's why everything went wrong because even a day before the vote, we paid attention to what kind of praise they were singing, taylor green, you remember, major green, that is , oh, the best, but the next day they began to tell that what trump turned out to be, you know, he was not did not complete the task assigned to him, so i think that they have at all plan, there would be no plan, they would often have no plan at all. on the other hand, when they are in the grip of their own illusions, it is better to look for when they are not, i even give another example, i don't think that if they understood what the real situation is, how would the west react to a direct invasion of russia how will ukraine resist, maybe they would not have made the decision they made about starting a large-scale aggression, but

again, they are, were in the grip of their own illusions, under the influence of what they are told by their people, i don't know, and their special services told them that here it is completely different, and there it is completely different, it is obvious that here, too , the special services told them that they had everything to do with trump, and to vote. it won’t happen in any case, here now they actually took place, in a word yes, something similar to the fact that kyiv in three days, the ops did not work out here, danylo, i looked at who was the favorite of russian military propaganda, well in first of all, of course, margery taylor green, but we will not talk about this virtual sister maryana i don't want to say more, congresswoman victoria sparts looked scandalous for ukraine in what only she... people wrote about her initiatives from all over the world, because even in america sparts and green became

internet memes in this case , we understand that it is a com only one part of the russian game with our biggest military allies, this and this is this intervention, but you found the answer for yourself victoria spart, which everyone was so happy about, she shouted away ermak, here suddenly op, and a blow in the back that... see, nothing really happened with from my point of view, because i spoke about the fact that ms. sparts is a political figure in the usa that is actually completely unfriendly to ukraine, even when part of our media and political field was not interested, you understand what the problem is, unfortunately, we politics in general, it as... acts according to the principle of groups of football fans, and everyone who is

against our bitter rival or enemy, then they all automatically become our friends. i think that this is the story of victoria sports, she showed it very well, so what you personally don't like, andriy yermak or oleg tatarov, and at the same time there is in american politics here... this is the congresswoman who criticizes yermak and tatarov. that does not make this lady your friend or ally. she does it for completely different reasons than those from which you criticize the ukrainian authorities. we criticize the ukrainian authorities with the interests of this state in mind. the improvement of this state, the survival of this state, mrs. sparts

is not about that at all, but mrs. sparts was still at that time actually a strong enough representative of this so-so, fairly radical trumpist wing of the republican party, not as much as margery taylor green, but enough so that it can be recognized quite well. i am surprised that those people who were actively messing with this lady, when there... a year and a half ago, did not find the strength today, you know, not even to admit their mistake, but just keep silent, because i saw that some continued that no, sparts is still well done, you still have to listen to it, it still carries weight, once again the simple takeaway from this whole story is that not everyone who

criticizes the same person you criticize is your friend, and it seems to me... that's the takeaway which is very good, which would be very useful to take from this story, i just now remembered an anecdote about a sparrow that froze and a cow that saved him, drawing conclusions on him, something like this, so okay, let's move on enough resonant topics this week in the program verdict, i could not pass attention to all this schizophrenic madness that took place after the publication. a video of hefty men exactly in the plan of men queuing in consular institutions in poland, this video, i don’t know if it went viral on purpose or just became resonant due to the shouts that were heard there, but this is the idea to stop providing consular services on april 23,

in particular from issuing passports for ukrainians in connection with well... that's what the deputy minister of foreign affairs, koleb, decided, in my opinion, to wave his hand at this, and he justified, and mrs. larisa, in principle, after which the most schizophrenic things started, the polish foreign ministry said we will help return men of presidential age to ukraine, the lithuanians said, let's see how we will do it with the poles, the germans said clearly, we will not do this, international lawyers said, except er... extradition, in fact there are no mechanisms, the tcc cannot run on the streets of warsaw, some politicians in ukraine said that this is a violation of constitutional rights, others said, i'm sorry, and why are there services from the state, if there are the constitutional duty to protect, and you ran away from it, at this moment the hottest indicators are lighting up, what is your opinion about all this that happened, because they

say from may 18 that they will somehow restore it all, but it seems that of all solutions what was possible around this question was chosen the worst, or it just seems so to me, well , you understand, i want to ask, after all, i am a young lady, and you are men, and i understand that now to get a job officially, without being registered , well, it's hard, uh, to join, for example, to the university, to submit documents , a man, and you are not registered, and you are on the street, and you will be stopped, you have to demonstrate. passport and military id, what is on the record, when we talk about some constitutional rights, we have to take into account that these rights were adjusted due to martial law, and they were adjusted in principle in a legal way, because the restrictions on the rights of ukrainian citizens, such as leaving , such as movement, such as a curfew, the verkhovna rada voted. secondly, as far as

i understand, they do not refuse people consular services. and consular services are provided after registration, that is , this is the idea, and i am different, i would talk about something else, to what extent this registration can be ensured, to what extent it is possible to ensure the passing of the vlk abroad, how it should look, this is what worries me, and the that a citizen must be registered, this provision of the constitution has been in effect for two years, it has actually been in effect for two years, after the president imposed martial law at 5 in the morning on 24 22 and signed a decree on general mobilization, because of this children began to act normally the constitution, which says that everyone is required to serve in the military, must appear and update their data, well, military men, that is , register with the tsc, not go to the trenches, but

register, and i'm just curious, what are we arguing about now... we are generally interested in the constitution in which there is such a provision, we are interested in the law, we are interested in the fact that our ministry of foreign affairs makes a decision on the basis of a law that has not entered into force, and justifying it by a law that has not entered into force, sir, mr. danilo, i understand your, your expression, but i will explain to you, we currently have a law, it is valid, a law on the mobilization of consular ambassadors. this law provides, it provides that everyone must be registered, and this law provides that a person must be registered. pay attention to what this law does not provide, it does not provide for a violation for it, for its non-compliance, moreover, this law is based on a direct provision of the constitution, and in

this case we say that we are now debating whether to comply with the constitution, or for example, you can want it or not, you understand, it's very me, we, we, in principle, we are not talking about that, we have to talk about how to implement these laws so that it happens. all four of us in the studio, we are talking about the fact that people who were abroad as of 2016, 2017, there is no law that

obliges them to come to ukraine and register for the military and pass the vlk. if you can find me where it is written in the law, i will admit my mistake to you live, but please show me where it is written? now we are talking about the fact that the ministry of foreign affairs. made a decision on the basis of a law that has not entered into force, and if you appeal to constitutionality and legality, then this must also be taken into account. i understand that we are all very interested in the issue of justice and so on and so forth, but if in the name of justice we reject what the ministry of foreign affairs has done , from a legal point of view, an absolutely not... brazen act, then we are to justice we will never come, we will have mischief instead of justice, you understand, okay

then i have to answer, two seconds, i have to answer, as far as i, as far as i remember, mr. danyla, we have registration, registration in consular institutions has been in effect since the 22nd year, and it is in effect, and all citizens who ... should be subject to the law on mobilization and the constitution, that law that has been in force since the 22nd year, and according to which almost a million citizens were mobilized, they should have registered, they simply did not do it, so when you tell me to i showed you something, let 's see what our consular institutions are people are registered from the 22nd year on consular registration, on consular registration, not on military registration, okay, on military registration. friends, can we now consider all your arguments, ms. larisa, mr. danylo, i also want to ask mr. oleksiy to look at it from a different angle, because mr. oleksiy, look what

happened, that is, surely there should have been some mechanism and solution 'clarification, probably as of this minute we have got the worst efficiency with the best intentions to get the men back, i doubt it. excuse me i have, i have reason to say, i doubt that the intentions were good, there is a record of society, justice, completely understandable and legal, the government in us, instead of satisfying this request, in a legal way is looking for ways to channel this, this, this request, and this dissatisfaction, of course, it is somehow not very good to direct discontent against deputies, because deputies are still needed, so they found a way to channel it in another direction, this is the first moment, the second moment,

certainly all this hysteria around the fact that human rights are violated, what the government is doing, what the opposition is doing and everything else, this is also an element of russian ipso, because they are happily promoting this situation, it seems to me that... the first thing to start with is to stop the hysteria around this. now regarding specific things: yes, in 2022 , changes were made to the laws on mobilization, which were written in black and white that people who are on legal grounds, of course, abroad, must register for military service at the consular institutions of ukraine for border, in those countries where they live. question to ministries of foreign affairs of ukraine, what did they do in order to organize this military accounting according to the law for these two years,

nothing, because. years, the ministry of foreign affairs, instead of implementing the law that is in force, starts sending out unknown letters about the law, which is just beginning to take effect on may 18, and then it turns out that the ministry of foreign affairs has nothing to do with the issuance of documents at all, because it is handled by the dp document , and the government is urgently forced to adopt a resolution that simply, simply regulates that the documents issued by the state-owned enterprises are issued. only on the territory of ukraine, i.e. first we make a communication error, then we begin to feverishly correct it, try to bring it into legal channels, and so on. there is a huge hysteria around this, our enemies are happy that we will gain from this inexplicably, but everyone inside has had a fight and continues to do it further. yes, mr. oleksiy,

they listened. all your arguments and here appears a completely logical managerial one, well, you are also a telemanager, that is, any manager knows that he is given several to solve a problem, for example, there strategic ways, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this, and you can also do this, but this is the worst, and once again, of all the options, in this matter, the worst is chosen again, and here a question arises, is this the law of dainin? kruger, does someone deliberately always choose the worst solution in such sensitive matters? of course, we can assume that someone is doing it on purpose, someone is possibly doing it gradually due to their own stupidity, but i am interested in the result, what will we get as a result, will we be able to enforce the law that comes into effect on may 18, what will we get in public opinion, what will we get from...

let's argue about it, the question is that everything should be done rationally, of course, not everything happens the way we want, we saw that in the same thing happens with our allies, with this american help is called, as in the anecdote about... about the natives, a wagonload of onions and 100, let's remember, three presidents, and or this phrase of churchill's that the americans always make the right decisions after will try all the wrong ones, yes you have to draw conclusions for yourself so as not to step on the same rake, we have a national one so to speak, so look at you all together, colleagues gave our

viewers all the right ones. analytical markers, and it just seems to me that this machine, which was also picked up by russian propaganda and is being spun up, also has a sequel inside it, and we will still, unfortunately, reap the fruits much further, because you can listen, for example, there maryana bezugla was visiting natasha mosiychuk, she says, if you don't want to be ukrainians, throw them out your ukrainian passport, take another country’s as well, you are this combat... a unit of soviet people is sitting somewhere far away and on youtube in a good russian manner aristovych tells: let’s throw away your ukrainian passports, don’t go to the consulate, take russian ones, you understand, and, that is the machine is gaining momentum, and it already looks like it is almost similar to the law on updating the law on mobilization, that instead of a quick solution, it is turning into a multi-part series

of cringe and stupidity scandals. how is it all to finalize, well, let's just put an end to this topic, which will continue, danylo, here is your opinion, ms. larisa, your opinion, everything in turn is simple, how to stop it all, because in reality, well, exhaust in a large mobilization resource now after all that will definitely not happen, look, it 's a difficult thing for me, well, come on, i'll tell you later, well, well, i'm just talking about the fact that i'm a good question, how to do it? how to stop russian parasitism on this topic, in my opinion, here we need to remember what we are doing and why, because the law on mobilization, it had a purpose, why did we make changes to this law, it needed, the old law, needed changes, because its implementation, its implementation was quite difficult and dangerous, humiliating for the citizen, how do you mobilize and. ..