on the espresso channel. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy ordenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. oil refinery on fire - a productive night for sbu drones. why the united states is frightened by strikes on strategic objects of the russian federation. resonant two-party voting. biden signed the package of military aid to ukraine approved by the us senate. not too late american weapons for the armed forces? preparation of punitive measures. americans warn china about the consequences of aid. russia, will

blinken be able to convince xi jinping to stop? over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our guests, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war yevhen dyky, diplomat oleksandr khara and political expert igor reiterovych. the second part of our program will feature two political scientists, maksym rozumny and oleksiy koshel. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video how ukraine... drones destroyed 26,000 cubic meters of russian fuel in the smolensk region, this night drones visited several enemy oil depots, in particular rosneft missed two fuel and lubricant storage and pumping bases in the villages of yartseve and rozdorove in the smolensk region. after the powerful explosions, there was a strong fire there, and the personnel began to evacuate. let's see how it all happened. the flame is already burning stronger and stronger

in general, near the crossing, but it doesn’t matter, glory to the armed forces of ukraine and the defense forces of ukraine, death russian occupiers. friends, we work on several platforms at once, live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook. please subscribe to our pages, like this video. and

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aid to ukraine, let's listen to what the president of the united states of america said: it's a good day for america, it's good for peace in the world, it's extremely important, it will make america safer, it will make the world safer, it will provide vital assistance for that, and for our partners, so that they can defend themselves and protect their sovereign land. in the next few hours , i will do my best to communicate this to our appropriate authorities, that missile systems, weapons be sent to ukraine, and that this, this package - this aid will not only help ukraine, but also security in europe. and the pentagon has already announced the immediate provision of arms worth a billion dollars to ukraine, a package of cities. it will cover anti-aircraft missiles,

stinger anti-aircraft missiles, small arms, ammunition for hymers, artillery shells, mortar shells, combat vehicles under... even bradley, in short, a large enough package of military aid, and most importantly, which, as president biden said, literally for these weapons will be at the front for a few days, and the armed forces of ukraine will have the opportunity to use them, however, at a time when american aid is flying and it is already going... to the ukrainian state, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba said that no single package of military aid can stop russia, for this a united front of all ukraine and all its partners is needed, the minister says that the russian

federation now produces about ten times, listen, ten times more weapons, so the west needs to increase the production of weapons. as ukraine did it, when i see what russia has achieved in the development of the defense and industrial base during the two years of the war - says kuleba, and what the west has achieved, i think there is something wrong with the west. the west must realize that the era of peace in europe is over, the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine emphasized. i don't know, frankly, whether these reprimands or appeals by mr. kuleba to ... our western partners are appropriate now, because we see, in fact, how difficult it was to give us this $61 billion in aid from our american partners, we see how representatives of great britain already provide a large package of military aid in the amount

500 million pounds, yesterday rishi sunak , while in poland, announced that this military package is enough. great, of course, the idea of ​​creating a united front, or simply put, an anti-putin front, which would fight against russia by all means and opportunities to oppose the kremlin, this is the right call of mr. kuleba, but we must always remember that starting from 2022, february 24 ukraine did get enough. great military and financial assistance from our western partners, and here it is against the background of what biden is talking about, and this confirms president zelensky, after talking with

the president of the united states of america , that ukraine will definitely receive long-range atakams missiles, german chancellor ulav scholz confirmed once again. his refusal to supply taurus cruise missiles to ukraine, even though the congress of the united states of america is ready to transfer american long-range attack missiles. he announced this during a press conference with british prime minister rishi sunak. let's hear what olaf scholz had to say. my decision is very clear about one weapon system, but my decision. is it also clear that we will provide the most support in europe to ukraine, and together with great britain will continue to be the two countries that do the most? of course, the germans, starting with the date i mentioned on february 24, 2022

, did too much for the ukrainians, but the long-range taurus missiles, which ukraine is so waiting for, are still not being given to the germans. that the armed forces of ukraine, obviously they are afraid that precisely with these missiles, the ukrainian army can destroy the crimean bridge, and russia can consider this as an attack on the russian federation, well, to put it simply, the germans are afraid of being drawn into a war with the russian federation, although it seems to me that russia is not too concerned about these formal signs that what weapons are coming to... ukraine, as they said, and they say that russia is now opposing the north atlantic alliance, that russia is at war with nato, and whether scholz gives us taurus long-range missiles or

not, the position of the kremlin will not change, but the position of the ukrainian army may strengthen. especially, against the background of statements that russian the federation is gathering. strengthen the strike campaign to disrupt the logistical support of the armed forces of ukraine, serhiy shoigu, an aide of vladimir putin, said in particular. let's hear what shaygu said. in line with the threats from the united states and its allies, we will continue to improve the composition and structure of the armed forces, increase the production of the most demanded types of weapons and military equipment. we will increase the intensity of strikes on logistics centers and storage bases of western weapons. armed forces of russia federations will continue to solve the assigned tasks. when shaigu says

that we will hit logistics centers or military hubs of the armed forces of ukraine, it means that the russian occupiers will hit peaceful cities, and this is absolutely obvious, they always cover their terror and their aggression against the civilian population by the fact that they seem to destroy some military bases. or any logistics centers, and this statement, shoigu, absolutely coincides with the forecasts that were made public by the chief of the chief intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense of ukraine, general kyryll budanov, that russia will try, starting from mid-may and the end of june, to destabilize the situation both at the front and inside the... ukrainian state, and it is obvious, it is obvious chains of the same campaign that

the russian federation is currently conducting. actually, friends, you should understand that a global peace summit is planned in switzerland, to which representatives of more than 100 countries of the world have been invited. it will be discussed in switzerland mir zelenskyi's formula, and the formula proposed by the ukrainian president in order to put an end to the aggressiveness of the russian federation, the russian federation was not invited to this summit, and this means that the russian federation will do everything to ensure that in the short term do everything in order to gain a more favorable position for future negotiations with our western partners regarding the future. of ukraine or with the ukrainian side, they expect to speak in words, we will watch and we will

analyze the situation as they will the development of events on the eastern and southern fronts, as well as the shoigu's promises to fire at the logistics centers and warehouses of the armed forces of ukraine, as far as they will be successful for the russian occupiers. friends, a reminder. that we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live there, please subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about , whether consular restrictions on men are justified for border? yes no it's pretty easy on youtube if you vote on tv and watch us on tv pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think consular restrictions: for men abroad are justified 0800 211381 no 08021 382 all calls these numbers

are free to vote, at the end of the program we will tally up the results of our voting and we have our first guest on the phone, this is oleksandr khara, a diplomat and expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies. mr. oleksandr, i am you congratulations, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. sergey. and thanks for the invitation. well, first of all, mr. oleksandr, let's start with fresh news. biden quickly signed the law, which was passed by the congress of the united states of america and ratified by the senate of the united states of america these days. biden said that the weapons would be delivered to the ukrainian state in a few hours, the united states of america, quickly enough. will resume the supply of weapons, kyiv will receive ammunition for air defense, missile systems, artillery,

armored vehicles, you can explain why this pause was so long, and what prompted both republicans and democrats to finally make a decision, a decision for which they are not ashamed. well, it should be said that this is the result of an internal political struggle, first of all. and secondly, secondly, this is the way the house of representatives is composed, well, in fact, there is a small majority in the house of representatives of republicans, and trumpian. the biggest staunch supporters of trump, they own a gold stock, i want to remind you that at one time, they removed the previous speaker, kevin mccarthy, from the position, and actually there was a very interesting situation, a compromise bill with the democrats was voted, which allowed to finance the american government, and the next thing was to

vote for the help of ukraine, and actually these trumpians are primarily such a representative. .. as gates, he launched this trigger and removed this person from office and appointed, or rather elected, mike johnson, but all the same conditions that formed the power in the house of representatives, they remained, i want to remind a few points, the first is any vote, it must be a majority in the majority, and it is actually such a bolshevik discipline that no one... can go, well, first of all, the speaker to compromises with the democrats, if the majority of the republicans do not agree to it. the second point is not to vote in the package, the whole, let's say, separately, and actually they wanted to separate the ukrainian package and fill it up, and it is clear that in the end it did not work out. then

the next point is important, it is an attempt to solve the problems of border migration in a package with... with aid to ukraine, israel and taiwan. at first it seemed quite logical, but then it became clear that trump decided to leave this issue unresolved, so that this is a hot issue that worries a large number of americans, voters, before the day of the presidential election in the united states, the full house of representatives and a third of the senate in november of this year, that is, trump decided to keep it to himself, and he spoke quite aggressively, let's say, about the aid to ukraine, and even more so these wards of his. well, then he took a half step back when he proposed to give not just for free to ukraine, to give a loan for free, but to have the opportunity to influence ukraine in the future, and this idea went to at least the conservative, normal part,

the traditional part of the republican party, and it seems to me to be the key moment... it wasn't that ukrainian diplomacy was working, ukrainian evangelists were working, who met with mike johnson, mr. trump's internal intelligence was triggered, he realized that he would not receive certain positive points from the fact that he will continue to block the transfer of aid to ukraine, let's imagine that something bad happened on the front of ukraine, and of course the democrats would blame trump for the fact that he ... and led to the disaster, well, i think, that's it his change of position was the key thing that unlocked it in the house of representatives, a very good result in the senate, 79 to 18, those 18 include three, or rather two democrats, one independent bernie sanders, he, but he voted not against

ukraine, but against aid israel, and in this this circle does not include three such trumpians. three pro-russian senators, in fact, who simply voted that they were present, and i think this is a very important result, it shows that there is definitely bipartisan support for ukraine in the senate, the second point is extremely important, it is a signal to russian society that the war will last a long time , that their hopes that the americans would want to leave ukraine were not justified, and now... it seems to me that they should scratch their backs and think about whether it is necessary for their children, their husbands or fathers died in this war, which brings nothing to ordinary russians, well, of course, this is a philosophical question, of course, that this is a signal to ukrainian society and we are glad, it seems to me very right that the ukrainian parliamentarians,

let's say this, thanked the american people and american congressmen , showing the american... flag in the ukrainian parliament, i want to remind you that before this, when aid was voted in the house of representatives, so, i apologize, it was in the senate, ukrainian flags were used, and this a party girl, she was just angry, and they said that this was a general violation of the law, the rules that in fact there should be no other flag than the american flag on the capitol, and of course that... aid to ukraine, there is more and a signal to allies both in europe and in other parts of the world that the united states is not going to budge from its leadership positions, that it is holding on. well , let's look at the word and the commitments that have been made, i think that in fact we have already started receiving these weapons, it is clear that the biden administration ordered in such

a way that even in germany, first of all, in poland , there were already the means that were planned to be transferred to us, and they are now heading to the front line, i literally watched the politician before the broadcast, they claim that in the previous aid package in .. there were already atakoms operational-tactical missiles and apparently ukraine has already used them for russian purposes, well, there is no such confirmation yet, but it is clear that atakoms is something that worries the russians extremely much and already on their television, they listed all those cities and of occupied ukraine, and actually the russian cities that fall under the attack of these missiles, with a radius of action of 300, maybe a little more kilometers, so of course this is a very good day for... ukraine and it is clear that this is not a good day for the russians, they are not managed to mobilize the opponents of ukraine in the congress, in order to block the aid, in order to

introduce ridiculous amendments, as, for example, margery theile green introduced amendments that cannot be handed over to the so-called nazi battalion of the azo, although, well, i understood that he was not nazi, and he is no longer a battalion, the same about the support of the hungarian minority. the carpathians, anyone margaret taylor green can find the carpathians, i don’t even know if she will be able to find kyiv on the map, but i understood where such theses were coming from and i understood that in this way she was trying to forget and delay the decision-making in house of representatives, so this is a very good day for us, for our allies, or rather our partners, unfortunately, we are not allies yet, and those who fight for freedom. against tyranny and the leader of the senate democratic majority, chuck schumer, called the vote in the senate one of the greatest

achievements of the senate in recent times and a victory for the forces that stand on the side of democracy. let's hear what chuck schumer said. today , the senate sends a universal message to the world. america will always defend democracy in its hour of need. we speak ours. allies that we will be with you. we say to our adversaries: don't touch us. we tell the world that we will do everything to protect our democracy and our way of life. with a resounding bipartisan vote, six long months of hard work paid off. mr. alexander, how will this decision of the united states of america now affect the actions of all of us. western partners, that is, is this a marker, or is this a sign for all other partners, well, great britain immediately announced a large

aid package of 500 million pounds, for smaller partners and perhaps not as active as the united states of america and great britain ? well, you know, i would say two important ones here point, the first one, which is not being talked about publicly, so far, i just read an article today, i mean, baum in the atlantic, where she calls on the biden administration to change its strategy on ukraine, because it's actually a losing strategy, that we have to fight only on our own territory , it means that we cannot use western weapons on russian territory, and several other restrictions that were introduced by washington back in the 22nd year, which limited the assistance provided to us by other partners, because it is clear that they follow the united states and it is unlikely that such people would dare to do something in the conflict, although britain was the leader and in fact it pushed the united states, including providing us with

missiles such as stormshadow, that is, the americans did not want to give similar and the first ones who gave tanks, the first ones who gave helicopters and many other things, i will, i hope that they will come to the question of strategy, they will understand that the strategy was a failure all these last few years for the americans on... in the russian direction, this is a key moment, because then it will make it possible to transfer to ukraine more powerful systems with a greater radius of action, and of course, we will use them in the way that the united states or nato member countries would use them, that is, strike at places of concentration of russian equipment and manpower at command posts, at infrastructural facilities, well, of course, we remember the same kerch bridge, i hope that for and... what happened in ukraine in the last few months, first of all , is an increase strikes on ukrainian cities, and what is happening now in kharkiv, it is clear that

this is a great tragedy. and that in order to prevent russia from erasing another large city from the map of ukraine, air defense systems are needed, now such a discussion is going on, what i have seen in open sources, well, apart from the fact that we know that germany agreed transfer one patriot, and greece is thinking, and at least writing in the press, they will provide at least one system to ukraine, and maybe two. another possible question may be about the s-300, these soviet ones complexes, which of course, they will also come in handy. there is pressure on spain, which has a rather large number of patriots, and of course, they are not in the epicenter of combat events, and therefore they could hand over to ukraine, let's see what the spaniards will say in the near future, most likely during the next ramstein, literally two days, also, well, not entirely pleasant news from germany, speaking

together with rishisunak, olaf schols said that his position on those weapons that are transferred to ukraine will not change, that is, to us no taurus seen yet, despite the fact that there is information that the americans have handed over and or at least are going to hand over atakums. france handed over several dozen anti-missile systems for the smt, smpt system. all very well, but let's hope that the french... will, well, wait for what other countries have given us. france is in 16th place in terms of the amount of security assistance, understandably, it is clear that this does not count for a country with a powerful army and a powerful defense-industrial complex, so let's see, literally in two days, i hope that there will be such pleasant announcements for ukraine. well, in the meantime , president zelensky thanks the american

congressmen... senators and the american leadership in general for the approved aid package, and says that ukraine will do everything to compensate for the six months spent in debates and doubts. let's listen to what zelensky said. these days , we have been working as hard as possible with our american friends at all levels to promptly fill this package from the united states. exactly the kind of weapons that our soldiers need, from atakams and artillery, from anti-tank weapons and missiles for highmars to the necessary anti-aircraft defense and equipment. i am grateful to president biden, to congress, to all americans who feel that it is necessary to knock the ground out from under putin's feet, to disobey him, and only in this way will there

really be fewer threats. freedom, together we can ensure it. well, in addition, zelensky also said that according to intelligence, the russians want to disrupt the global peace summit planned for june in switzerland, he says that he received the relevant information from intelligence officers, and noted that russia has a plan on how to reduce the participation of countries in the summit and how to act so that peace does not last even longer, and called. to oppose this and work in unity for the sake of a just peace, here is the help that our people and our country received from the americans, and the support that is now from great britain, from france, germany, in different ways, this shows, mr. alexander, that this peace summit, which we have high hopes for, that it will be...

successful for ukraine, i.e., what can be the consequences of holding this summit for ukraine, for the world, and for russia? well, first of all, it should be said that all the help that is provided and has been provided recently, it is extremely important for our military to be able to plan for the 24th year, be it defensive operations or offensive, because it is clear that we depend on our international partners to a great extent, and it's clear that... that without understanding that we can count on certain systems, on the amount of ammunition, we can't actually act on, well, let's say, for the future, only to defend ourselves with all that we have, and by and large this is the most important thing that has happened from the point of view of the military dimension, regarding the peace summit, i am a little skeptical in the sense that we will definitely not achieve peace there , but most importantly we...