although the air temperature is quite high, the south-easterly wind gusts will reach 15-20 m/s in some places in the center tomorrow, so tomorrow in the center i will once again remind you of rain and strong wind. in the southern part of ukraine, april 24 will be a real summer. there , the air temperature will reach 25-27 or even 28° in some places, and no precipitation is expected, well, as if in the south tomorrow, the weather will be great in kyiv, i wouldn’t say so, because kyiv itself will be under the influence of this active cyclone that will come to us tomorrow from the southwest, so tomorrow at rain is expected in kyiv, even heavy rain in some places, strong to storm gusts, gusts, i apologize, stormy gusts of wind sometimes up to 15-20 m/s, and the maximum air temperature is -10 +12°. this is how the rainy weather will be tomorrow in many regions of ukraine, it is said. umbrellas, but most importantly, don't

forget to keep a close eye on our daily predictions on the espresso channel. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. during the next two hours we talk about ukraine, about the world. about the war and about our victory. today in the program. one step to the new package. the us senate is ready to approve military aid to ukraine. will this pave the way for long-range weapons from partners? for the sake of protecting the homeland, the ministry of foreign affairs has stopped providing consular services to conscripts abroad. does it keep men coming back. suspicion of an incumbent government official. law enforcement they exposed

the minister of agricultural policy, solskyi, in land scams, are there no more untouchables in power? about this and other things in the next one hours we talk with our guests, with the politician, former prosecutor general of ukraine yury lutsenko and the executive director of the institute of world politics yevgeny magda. in the second part of our program, we will have people's deputies of ukraine, iryna gerashchenko, halyna vasylchenko and oleksandr mereshko. before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of how ukrainian fighters disabled the russian hyacinth s self-propelled gun, the explosive video was released by the special operations forces, the enemy gun managed to fire only a few shots, our scouts determined the coordinates of the armed target and handed them over to the rocket launchers, after which it was completely destroyed by fire from hymars. let's see.

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emstva in sumy oblast, the criminal group, as reported in nabu is, included official persons of state geocadastral bodies and persons who controlled the activities of these bodies, i will quote: this message. as a result of the implementation of the scheme in 2017-21, the participants of the scheme took possession of 1,250 land plots with a total area of ​​2,493 hectares, the value of which at the time of the crime was more than uah 291 million. they also made an attempt to seize 3,282 hectares of land worth about 190. well, if everything was clear and understandable, but it is not clear who will bear political responsibility for the fact that solsky was in office and tried for so long replenish his agrarian holdings, because we

know that he had an agrarian business with andrii bohdan, you actually took the answer out of my mouth regarding... because during the time of the green government, we remember dozens, i am not exaggerating, dozens of cases when people's deputies from servants, ministers from servants, heads of regional administrations or their deputies from servants, received suspicions from the national anti-corruption bureau or the sbu, they are suspected of embezzling millions, millions of bribes, offering policemen drunk driving provide hundreds of thousands... quietly in the forest, in collecting money for the illegal export of ukrainians who evade mobilization abroad, to hired prostitutes right in the parliament building, in the embezzlement of billions of the military budget, we live inside all these scandals, and the worst, that there

are constantly inside this corrupt, scandalous bubble our fighters on the front lines, who must repel enemy attacks 24 hours a day, while simultaneously knowing and feeling what is happening behind their shoulders with the authorities. therefore, the first question is not when will these people be convicted, because a fair trial, unlike an unfair one, is a long enough affair, and when will there be political accountability of those who appoint the relevant persons? there is also corruption in the west, but when a minister or... a deputy minister or a deputy is detained, then those who recommended or appointed him resign politically, because of political responsibility, someone put mr. solsky on the list of servants of the people, someone appointed him in yermak's office as the future

minister of agriculture, who supported him activity all these years, here are these people without even proven criminal profit. they should resign from such an appointment, then the institution of reputation will work in the country, then the government will be trusted that it can be wrong, but punishes its corrupt officials, and yes, this means that just one more got caught, the next one will take his place, and in this case, when you started your question, mr. sergey, about the fact that there may be changes in the government, in fact, this society practically does not care. you go outside and ask passers-by, well, for example, in the first 10 passers-by, what is the name of the minister of pc, well, i have almost no doubt that none of them will call you by his nickname, ask what the name of the minister of finance is, ask what is the name of, for example,

the minister of energy, i think the result will be the same, why, because the state, unfortunately, in the current anti-constitutional management system, returned. to yanukovych's methods, when one person is absolutely not authorized to do so by law, namely the head of the president's office andriy yermak, decides how the parliament will vote, what the or another minister and how the government will actually work, therefore nothing will change from re-hanging the signs on the doors of the government, as long as there is one person in our country who is unconstitutional... especially contrary to the requirements of the constitution, he is trying to manage the state, as he manages, well we see, but nevertheless, this all makes the reshuffling of ministers absolutely unnecessary as long as they carry out yermak's whims and instructions, and not

the orders of the armed forces of ukraine and the ukrainian people. you are talking about andriy yaermak as a person which manages processes in the state, well, as someone said, i am neither the first nor the second, do you remember mr. tkachenko, now deceased, but in the current situation yarmak has become one of those people. who was included in the top 100 most influential people in the world according to the magazine, and the publication called yermak a person who played and plays a central role in ensuring the work of the ukrainian government after the start of a large-scale war, to quote the publication: after the full-scale invasion, he brought zelensky's message to the world, creating a strong network of friends of ukraine from west to the global south, uniting them around issues from sanctions to the environment, since... 5 years have already passed since the election of zelensky on april 21, so

can we not already talk about the fact that the era of zelensky is being replaced by the era of yermak, or is it has it changed a long time ago? i think that the public, this publication of the ranking in time magazine reflects a reality that has been obvious to everyone for a long time. president zelenskyi cannot manage the state without his friend yermak, this is a tandem: we have the greatest leader and the most influential leader, but if no joke, then i it seems that in this situation, if someone considers yarmak a really good manager, then it would be correct to appoint him to a position where he will realize his abilities and be responsible for them. this is an invention of zelenskyi and his team, when all those who manage processes in

the state are in positions in which there is no functional responsibility, well , tell me what the adviser of the president's office podolyak will be responsible for in which case, he has functional duties advise, if suddenly his advice leads to some critical things for the state, the prosecutor's office or nabu cannot even present him with any suspicion. for exceeding powers or misappropriation of powers, they do not have them, and what powers does yermak have to provide the president with paper clips, papers and analytical notes, to keep his schedule under control, how can he be charged for the fact that the ministry of energy, or the ministry of finance, or any other ministry that he actually leads has led the country to one crisis or another, the same applies to the adviser shurma, the same applies to ... zaradnik tatarov, none of them have functional duties for which they are responsible, and

nevertheless they manage everyone, so from my point of view, now in zelensky's place it would be very fair to do one thing: either leave one leader on the banking street, admitting that yarmak clearly exceeded the stick of his rating, or send him to a responsible position. well, for example, prime minister, especially since then we will all understand who is really in charge and who is responsible for it, right? i suspect that nothing will happen, we will continue to live in an office block democracy, which does not correspond to the constitution, but there are realities in which we must live during war. yuri vitaliyovych, yarmak is not responsible according to the current constitution and... there is no such function as president zelenskyi, but

one way or another, during the 5 years of his presidency, zelenskyi is responsible, and this is a political responsibility, it is still on zelenskyi, and not on yermak, although he says, says that yermak will go only with me, when my presidential powers will end, it was said two years ago at a press conference, what were these 5 years of president zelenskyi like? you knew volodymyr oleksandrovich long before he started his political career and you can say that you knew zelensky there at the beginning of 2010 or 2011, and you know zelensky of the model of 2024, how is zelensky then different from now? look, this is a difficult question to answer briefly, yes, of course, i have known for a long time volodymyr oleksandrovich, i communicated with him

in normal life, when i was freer and he was more cheerful and accessible, but i now remember the episode when i remained the prosecutor general, and volodymyr oleksandrovich had already become the president, at first he suggested that i resign from my post, i asked why all of a sudden, he says, well everyone... i say, i was never like everyone else, i didn't steal anything, i didn't sell anything, why do i have to go somewhere, i have a term of 5 years, but if the new parliament will be... its majority, yes, of course, i will go, because the prosecutor general is without the majority in the parliament does not need it, i am interested not in the position, but in the possibility of implementing the law in ukraine. he immediately perked up, said, okay, now we will have sufficient parliamentary elections, everything is fine, and he was very satisfied, and here i ask him, well, out of my friendship, i say, my lord, but tell me, where are you leading the country , he says, i have

carte blanche for everything, from where, he tells me, well , you don't know, i have 73%. i say: how much was in the first round? 25. i say: look, poroshenko was in the first round 5 years ago 53, and yanukovych won from tymoshenko by only 2.5%. and yushchenko won from yanukovych by only four. these same percentages do not mean anything, they are just an open door to implement your course. i ask, where are you taking the country? and here he answers me the main phrase to which i am leading you. i am old to you. i will show the politicians how people will applaud me every day. volodya, the country is very sick, there is a lot that needs to be changed. if the patient applauds the doctor, he is hooked. he tells me: no, these applauses will happen every day. and that's it volodymyr oleksandrovich has not changed at all in this regard. he sincerely believed that it was possible to achieve

applause with populist, simple, dilettante steps. and this is what he needs most. for all his 5 years, remember, in the 19th year of standing ovation, everyone who talks about the deletism and militant ignorance of his new team, well, he is simply erased from the political map, the 20th year, applause, nevertheless, criticism is almost not allowed, 21 -th year dr. komarovsky and gordon are already saying, we are fools, we have been robbed, and there is a war, catastrophe. which, from my point of view, was caused, among other things, by absolute incompetence in foreign policy with such a neighbor, and this trouble brings zelensky once again to the mountain of already world popularity, already a world ovation, a year later world applause, and another year, now, in which we live, liquid flakes. what does it mean?

this means that populism, simple solutions, not... the desire to think through strategies always leads to one result, to a result that, well, does not benefit the ukrainian nation, and we have this lesson take out of these five years, yes, despite the end of the term, zelensky remains the president of a warring country, and one should not succumb to the russian ipso, which tries to deny it, but nevertheless, immediately after the end of the war, we have ourselves. make a notch regardless of surnames, everyone who has no experience in public administration, everyone who promises to lead a young team that will change everything, everyone who does not have a strategic vision for the key issues of the country, should not start training in 40 million countries, because a cross in the ballots, for the sake of which, at least

, it is very often turned into crosses in cemeteries of the whole country. yuri. vitaliyovych, dmytro chikalkin made a film about two presidents, where he tried to compare what ukraine lost after volodymyr zelenskyi came to power, we remember these debates at the olympic stadium and zelenskyi's 10 questions to poroshenko, i specially watched these 10 questions, they can be asked in principle , how candidate zelensky could ask president zelensky exactly the same as poroshenko, and he could to ask... about hands, why do your closest people still have hands, and who is crushing burshtyn, and very, very many such questions, which, in principle, could absolutely be relayed to president zelensky, but if we talk about two p' five-years, one five-years of poroshenko and the second five-years

of zelenskyi, which, after all , ukraine lost after the arrival of zelenskyi. to the authorities, i immediately understand what our tv viewers will say, and lutsenko was a member of poroshenko's team, he cannot be objective, but i will address you to a person who has already out of power, and who was in the war, and you obviously have less of a politician now in this situation, and a person who can look from the side and say about what ukraine has lost, look, it's true, i will. it's biased if i answer about the law enforcement system, about certain things related to my work in the khepru, but yes, it's really a war. and participation in it gives a very serious, fresh look at what happened in the 19th year. well, first of all, poroshenko accepted the country in which

donbas was already occupied, and two-thirds of donbas and crimea. at the same time, according to the testimony of the then chief of the general staff, there were from five to 15 thousand combat-ready troops in the country. actually after yanukovych. the entire technical base, documentary base, and economic base of the armed forces of ukraine were destroyed. nevertheless, without general, without general mobilization, thanks to volunteers and the armed forces, it was possible to free 2/3 of the occupied donbas, after that it was possible to sign the minsk agreements, which gave us respite for the revival of the armed forces of ukraine. at that moment, i can be biased here, but general the prosecutor's office of ukraine at that time

confiscated 1.5 billion dollars from yanukovych, who is now on the screen, and his organized criminal group, half of this amount, by poroshenko's decision, went to missile and artillery programs of ukrainian production, and, to be honest, when i began to analyze this the situation at the front, you know, when you are all the time waiting for the atelev... fire or , well, our rocket attack on other people's ork positions, you remember all this, and analyze it, and you think how much we did not appreciate what was done, turchynov, being the secretary national security, himself a native of the city of dnipro, formerly known as dnipropetrovsk, clearly remembered that we are a country of rocket builders, builders, and for that money confiscate... in yanukovych's mafia, a closed-loop ukrainian missile program was created in three years. we are among the top five countries in the world that can produce

their own missile weapons. just think, from the fuel of the hull and the guidance head to all the elements of the rocket, we did everything ourselves. during these two or three years, the vilkha m missile was developed for 130 km, this is the radius at which hymers hits, in the same years, the neptune missile was developed , which hit at a distance of 280 km, this is the atakams, in these years , the sapsan missile was developed in yuzhmarsha, or some call it thunder, this is up to 500 km, and according to analysts, if this program in in the 19th year, it was not frozen, it was not exchanged for asphalt, we... at the beginning of the war, we would have at least 90-100 vilkha launchers, 30-40 neptune launchers, 200 guns, long-range guns and

20-25 falcon missiles for 500 km, and now tell me, someone would dare to go through chongar in crazy columns, if we had hundreds ukrainian missiles, someone would go to kyiv 102. neptune, the kerch bridge would be standing, if we had a safsan missile. this is the main thing that we did not appreciate in the 19th year, and the voters, unfortunately, did not consider it as an achievement. i remember how, mainly in the east of ukraine, at any mention of the war, they said: " what if putin attacks? that's the place." which the russians have now wiped off the face of the earth, at that time they doubted that there would be a war, and absolutely did not appreciate the efforts of

poroshenko's team, which built new armed forces ukraine, so as not to say that i am involved, remember the videos of us going to the front in 14 years, in sandals, in old soviet uniforms, in those terrible helmets. which do not protect against anything, at best with a machine gun, on which unfinished cars will not be hit, and what the army looked like already in the 19th year, this process had to be continued, but amateurs who were looking for applause chose asphalt, again in this film that you are talking about, which can be watched both on chekalkina's youtube and on the youtube of the direct channel, the fifth channel. there a terrible figure is given, which for some reason ukrainian society has forgotten. in the last year before the war, when the leadership of the

us special services. when the state leadership of the united states, britain, and other countries warned us about an imminent attack, ukraine invested 13 billion bucks, 13 billion dollars in the asphalt in the last year before the war. yury vitalivych, this is the price of the difference between those who professionally approached foreign policy and the external challenge at such a time. as russia, and by those who, well, viewed the presidency as a fun campaign for applause and this has its price today. yuriy vitalivych, i want to ask you about one decision that was announced literally yesterday by andriy sibigo, who is now the first deputy minister of foreign affairs, but it is a decision of the ministry of foreign affairs, regarding the prohibition of foreign units of the state government to issue documents. ready

documents for men conscripted and aged from 18 to 60. e, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine kuleba confirmed this information about the suspension of consular services to citizens of ukraine of conscription age who are abroad, and explained it like this. how it looks now: a man of draft age went abroad, showed his country that the question of its survival does not bypass him, and then comes. and wants to receive services from this state, it doesn’t work like that, there is a war in our country, how to perceive this, this decision and information, because in principle, apparently, some of the men left abroad legally, some apparently escaped through this system, the way that was was created, and people gained access to possible legal departure abroad, some fled

it's illegal, but... well, the decision simply outlaws those who are there abroad now, not without understanding, that is, how to renew the status quo of those people, that is , they all have to return here and, in principle , pass, clarify the data in the tsc and pass the vlk, or how it should all happen, you know, it is both difficult and easy for me to answer, on the one hand, this decision is obviously contrary to the constitution, and it seems to me that the constitutional court should act very quickly in this situation, after all, it is for something already receives funds during the war, he should evaluate such actions, the heads of the ministry of foreign affairs, because the constitution is still the basic law of our state, on the other hand, i believe that this decision is fair, because the constitution has

a section about... which obviously violated the order of the ministry, but there is and the duty section, which is obviously violated by those who evade the duty, i emphasize, the duty to defend their country, for this, it seems to me, it would be necessary to start with the key concept, which, on which the ukrainian society rests: justice, to begin with it would be necessary to publicize the lists of those persons long ago. of age, who without reason, for example, disability, or three children, or over 60 years old, left ukraine after the introduction of martial law, as well as lists of those who signed their documents, because i'm sorry, it's not fair, first collect millions of dollars from evaders , and now to threaten not those who allowed them to escape from the country, actually them, that it would be possible to... act with these people,

well, i think, of course, they should be invited to ukraine, and i know of many cases when people from they come abroad take up arms and join the armed forces of ukraine. but in advance, i would, for example, personally, this is my point of view, i would impose a tenfold war levy on these people for the rest of their lives, even after the end of the war, because they transferred their duty to the shoulders of my other brothers. accordingly, they have to pay for it, but whether they should be pushed to the point that they leave ukrainian citizenship and acquire another, i am not sure, because ukraine is, in any case , a legal state that must think about the future. i regret what i said, now i have to open the lists evaders and those who blessed them on this slippery slope.