of the new black sea fleet, british intelligence reports that after his appointment, the russian black sea fleet is showing the least activity since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, so, mr. vladimir, you were absolutely right that the name of the head of the black sea fleet means little, he has little effect, the very picture on the battlefield is such that he cannot do anything, even though he hides these ships. from ukrainian drones, and this is also confirmed by british intelligence, which writes that the port of novorossiysk is already modernized to support ships from the temporarily occupied crimean peninsula, but at the same time, russia is now actively trying to mobilize citizens of ukraine living on the territory of the occupied peninsula to join the ranks of the armed forces of the russian federation, and indeed we have seen a lot during this time. cases that russia opened

against crimeans, against citizens of ukraine on the territory of occupied crimea, who did not want to join the ranks of the russian federation. here's how you evaluate this news and what should the citizens of ukraine do who simply don't want to go to olaff, who simply forces them? well, i can't not accept that this is happening. that this is a fact, this is another crime of the so-called russian federation, and this crime is again directed against ukraine, against its ethnic group, without regard to that, these are crimean tatars, these are ethnic ukrainians or even russians, they do this in crimea as well , and in other occupied territories and thus try to solve their issues at the expense of others. of the occupied peoples, including,

to counter this, there is such a program, which was introduced by the main intelligence department, including in crimea, which is aimed at the way it should be refused, even when the conscripts are so-called forces. conscripted into the army of the occupiers, how to get in touch with representatives of ukraine, and there will be, let's say, a detailed briefing on what to do and how to act in order to survive, let's say, stay alive and return home. well, as i understand it, the conscription of citizens disloyal to russia, citizens disloyal to russia, into the russian army, this is in fact. an opportunity for

ukrainian intelligence to get their eyes inside the russian army, and people who still could not refuse service, but have some pro-ukrainian views, they can contact ukrainian intelligence and report useful information for ukraine and thus bring the liberation of crimea closer. thank you very much, mr. volodymyr. thank you for joining our broadcast and answering our questions. military-naval expert express, volodymyr zablotskyi was in direct contact with us, and we have a short break, and then we will continue our broadcast. thank you, exclusively on the air of our channel. congratulations, friends, politklub is on the air on the tv channel espresso, the most relevant topics of the week. war. russia against ukraine, the war in

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berber program. this is a joint project of the tv channel and the first crimean tatar tv channel of the apr. in gultsum khalilova's studio. my colleague, i, andriy yanits. and today's second guest is boris babin, ex-representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea. mr. boris, congratulations, have a good day. aleikum salam. therefore, the black sea security conference of the international crimean platform was held in bulgaria. your colleague was there, and i know that you know the details of what was discussed there, and the significance of this conference for the future liberation of crimea. tell us more. and why , in your opinion, bulgaria? well, look, this one conference. already the second, this is the black sea security conference, that is why it is held in the black sea countries, last year it was romania, and it was the first conference, the responsible bodies on the ukrainian side are primarily the ministry of defense and the ministry of foreign affairs, so this is a certain specificity of this conference, it

expert in a certain sense, that is , experts gathered on the first day, on the second day diplomats, representatives of the states participating in the crimean platform, what can we say here, firstly, it is good that it is being held... it is good that we are learning to be consistent, because it is an annual conference, it must take place and provide an appropriate update, my colleague olesya tsibulka, also from the association for the reintegration of crimea, had the opportunity to report at this conference, what can be said about its significance, first of all, it is necessary to strengthen the institutional capacity of the crimean platform, especially in the expert dimension, therefore, my colleague and i, let's say remotely, just presented the improvements that were made. the previous ones, what kind of resource center, it is on the future of crimea strategic forums, we have three of them held over the past two years, just the last forum, which was in march, it was dedicated to increasing the institutionalization of the crimean platform, first of all, the expert

network, because if we have an expert network, it should work, so experts should give what they are called experts , not because i came to the tv studio in a tie, yes, but because i have to give a certain... relevant product a certain value, as they say, the cost price, which is then set on the table, set on the table by member states, international organizations. in order for a person to write something, it is necessary that, firstly, someone pays something for it, and secondly, that she bears this responsibility and has a certain status. we have already had the crimean platform for three years, and we do not see answers to these questions, and that is why the corresponding internal regulatory documents have just been worked out, you know, it is a purely mundane work, first of all, at first glance, it is bureaucratic, we do not like bureaucracy , we love slogans, so that a person. spoke with a beautiful high podium, said something, then she left this one the tribune went and what's next, so what's next, we worked, the appropriate modifications will be provided to the crimean platform itself, and the expert network, the ball is already in their court, they want, let them approve, don't want, let them continue to exist, as they exist, i mean precisely the expert dimension, and with regard to

the interstate dimension, it is also important, we have to prepare certain interstate agreements, no less with regard to the office of the crimean platform, it is not institutionalized, it should be fixed, not only at the level. declarations, it is good that they are approved, but at the level of certain agreements, for this system to grow into what we call a mechanism, what we call certain structural movements, and for it to be just... from a network that unites states, that unites in constant interaction, it must be an international staff, these should be the relevant offices and so on, a full-fledged international supranational structure, then it will work, as far as i understand, the very idea of ​​the crimean platform was born when there was an idea to return crimea through diplomatic means, even before the military full-scale invasion of russia, and then it seemed that the topic of crimea is it fades out in the international information space, that's why we came up with this format , the crimean platform, let's draw the world's attention to the crimean issue and

somehow spread it, increase it, now already in the dimension of a full-scale invasion, when a hot war is going on, and when something actually explodes on the territory of crimea every day, and we see that crimea will still be liberated by the force of ukrainian arms, not sooner than by diplomatic efforts, what is the role of the crimean platform, it prepares the adaptation, reintegration of crimea or, well , look, first of all, what was created. really very good, because maidanchyk has to discuss our word crimea, so it is very convenient, you know, to talk about coffee in yalta there or burekivbakh or saraya, it does not give insults, but there is another dimension, there is a dimension of real integration before the occupation, there is a dimension of violation of international right, crimea became a precedent and a negative precedent for an attempt at annexation, so this is exactly the mechanism of the crimean platform, it was a very successful step, so if we recall the history of the crimean platform, it was created even before the full-scale invasion as a tool of... diplomatic influence in the world , on other countries in order to raise and make

the issue of crimea more visible, and then it seemed that this was the right way, because there were no other tools, but today we see that during the already heated phase of the war in crimea, something explodes every day, and we we understand that crimea will be liberated by the force of ukrainian arms, here diplomatic efforts are already taking second place, what is the role of the crimean platform now, what is it doing, preparing crimea for deoccupation. reintegration or measuring the current situation in crimea located, what is its role? look, well , first of all, really, when it was created, it was a platform for increasing attention to crimea, but not only in terms of, you know, such purely pr, it is very convenient to say there, tomorrow coffee in yalta, the day after tomorrow a concert in yalta, there chiburek in bakhchisarai, it adds likes, yes, it's normal for politicians, but there is another dimension, there is a dimension of real work, yes, and that's why this step was really timely then. because it wasn't something diplomatic, as they say table talks, i.e. conversations, it was just a rise

on the agenda of crimea as a precedent, a negative precedent, an attempt at annexation, an encroachment on the entire world legal order, on , as they say, the rules of the game recognized by civilized nations, and that is why it, as they say, shot, and our enemies are very painful it was perceived because they knew what it could lead to, regarding how to liberate crimea, this, you know, this is a mantra about diplomatic ways, i can. whoever wants to say, let them check that i have always said a very simple thing: it is impossible for something to be taken by military means, not to return by military means. even if we carry out a return without, imagine, imagine, without active hostilities, it should still be a military operation, because the russians occupied crimea in february of the 14th year, with little blood, yes, but precisely a military one operation and other ways. as they say, there is no control over the territory during an armed conflict, so all these mantras are mantras, yes, and we are people

of the real world, so as an example , it is really important that today within the crimean platform there is at least this separate security a mechanism that is carried out, let's say, more military than diplomats, despite this, despite this, in terms of ways and strategy, we have to work out our agenda, but just today we and our colleagues from several ministries held just such a security conference already in in kyiv, and precisely... the most simple: look, today we already have nine agreements on the security and support of ukraine, which we signed this year: great britain, germany, france and so on, the czech republic is preparing there, and we will be grateful any country of the civilized world that has this agreement with us signs, an agreement with the united states is being prepared, and in these individual agreements there is such a position: assistance to ukraine in the preparation of plans and strategies for reintegration into the occupied territories. on the one hand, it is very good that what our partners say is true. it can be integrated right? on the other hand, this is such a bell, because it means that our partners understand that we

are not all right with these plans, that we need help, and this, sorry, a certain diagnosis, if it is even written in the agreements, then we are today, what we see, but these departures, they have recommendations, my god, no, this is a contract, this is, excuse me, the government of eternity, or simply, we have seen many contracts that, unfortunately, did not have their effectiveness over time. well, so that you understand, in the agreement with great britain, there is an obligation of ukraine to help great britain in the event of an attack on great britain. this can be taken sceptically, but once upon a long time , great britain made a similar agreement with portugal, it was in the 14th century, and this is how they still carry it out, so you understand how in this world civilized countries treat

this kind of paper, as you say, it is not pieces of paper, it's very important, and an example today is, you know, i have all the respect for... having these agreements, this agreement with the united states, which today, says mr. yarmak of the times magazine, we have to believe him, is being prepared before signing, but at the same time in the same congress of the united states they have to vote for aid to ukraine, and what they say that aid to ukraine, most likely it will be voted on, will be tied to some kind of obligation to the white house to develop a strategy for aid to ukraine , i.e. must be certain. and most likely this will be announced, and if we have a certain plan, there should be something, a de-occupation reintegration strategy, that's right, and here ukraine has to put something on the table, and when we held the second strategic forum on the future of crimea with mr. bariyev, and many other experts, we gathered very different people, but then when we presented it in ukrainform, one respectable person, it was not me who said it, but a former adviser to one of the prime ministers,

currently he is a doctor of science, a professor, and it dawned on him, you know, that we have investigated this plan, we ... 40 pages were written there of our comments, sent it to the relevant ministries, we didn't even publish it, because we can't publish it like that, sorry for the conditions of the war, but he said, it's very good that this document is written in such a way that it simply cannot be translated into english, there such ukrainian bureaucratic language, such constructions, they simply do not translate, and this, as they say, tragically, they lost it, it is good, because if it is translated and put on the table of our partners, it would be sabotage, you understand? if they read, and they have not to provide assistance under these documents, and not only funds, i’m sorry, because this military component, and the financial component, for the help that ukraine vitally needs is not important, we have no right to submit for consideration to our partners, excuse me with all due respect, any strategies about cognitive milioration, because our partners read these strategies, and they decide to give us the funds that we

vitally need under the conditions of war or not to give them, we should all understand that such things cannot be treated, sorry, as for.. . things for collecting likes, as for things for internal, excuse me, use, this is currently a vital issue of the ukrainian state, quality plans for reintegration, which just before that we talked in sofia, well, my colleagues, well, and the strategy for ensuring the security of the black sea water area, we are on within the framework of this conference , whether it was already agreed or not, there were a lot of different topics, and there are achievements, well, for example , this year russia, the aggressor state, was excluded from the danube commission, well, this is a very straight path. in fact from many dimensions starting from from the fact that today the danube is a vital trade artery, and the military component, i will not even discuss, but the international component is clear, because russia sat there as the legal successor of the ssr, not a danube state, she said: "we are a temporary non-danube state, you understand what you said there, but a huge amount of work was done and our association for the integration of crimea and

others proved that there was a violation and it was excluded, this is important, this is the second organization that i know, the first was the council of europe, from which..." all were expelled for violating international law, and we have to work further. we have a situation with turkey. turkey is a key player in the black sea region. turkey is vitally important to us for further support, and the resistance of the crimean people against aggression, and support for our efforts to occupy crimea, we have to work with this country. we have to prove that we have a common position regarding security in the region, regarding various dimensions of its security. well, for example, you know, maybe there is such a thing as the syrian express. yes, when the aggressor transports goods to syria, this is stolen grain, and military equipment, and something in syria, to the ports of the black sea, maybe you know, among other things, that syria is not just a regime that destroys its own population, on which they build their budget, the so-called, you know , there they have little left for the drug trade, syria has become a supplier of drugs for

the entire arab world, for a large part, well in general, the border of the so cautious eastern world, yes. and this is transported, in particular, to the occupied crimea, excuse me, by bulkers, sea vessels, and this is already, excuse me, a dimension, even one that goes beyond the traditional dimensions of security, and by the way, these nine agreements, i didn't just mention it, they put risks that come from our occupied territories, we generally hardly even discuss individual risks, for example , it is organized crime that uses the occupied territory as a corresponding gray area, and this is precisely what worries many. countries and we have to share this concern with them and give hints on how to help us with this, because as an example the same occupation administrations, the so-called, both in the occupied crimea, and in melitopol and in... this is a general

crime, for example, human trafficking, yes , pedophilia, sorry, on an industrial scale, so that you understand the situation in crimea, and this is a question we have to put on the table of our partners with evidence and with proof, and not just to excuse this, it is respectful to talk about the cognitive impact on the population of the occupied territory, and that... on the territory of the occupied peninsula, we see how russia violates, continues to file criminal cases against representatives of, for example, the crimean solidarity, and this week we saw that russia opened the next criminal case, administrative proceedings against lyutvie, khanumzodieva and other crimean tatars, and also this week there was news that in crimea russia is planning, plans to call up 15 more to its army

. the problem is old, and there are always conflicting answers to it, why, because we have slogans and there is life, well, certain slogans, so it’s not an example that you go to prison, that’s what they say, with an example, a general question , how to be crimean... in this situation, there are two options: wait and leave, someone says, from respected people, wait, the question is what can be waited for, you understand, my advice to everyone who is at risk to leave the occupied territory, you can return, it's a tragic, it's a very tragic story, leave historical homeland, i understand that, but it is better to return alive, to return one's own family, than to become another victim of the occupiers, this is the choice, it must be, and today we see that... frankly speaking, this may most likely, well maybe there will not be a ukrainian flag over bakhchisaray, and in these situations

it is impossible to say that everything will be fine tomorrow already tomorrow, you know that, it is a certain responsibility, as they say, to say so, and therefore i would advise you to always evaluate the situation in the following way, if you are in the risk zone, and the risk zone is very wide, in fact this is any crimean tatar conscripted youth, this is any person who has done anything socially active in his life, a person of faith, yes, because we see how they painfully treat any really believing person, this applies not only to the crimean tatars, they persecute several religious groups, for them any unification, not simply, as they say from above, but any unification from below on the basis of the separation of certain spiritual values, for them it is a danger, ugh, and so a person like that, being there on the peninsula is a risk zone, and i always am said, the number of political prisoners in crimea is determined only by the occupation system, how much they will be able to digest, and i'm sorry... to fight them simply with help or there is help to families or an increase in this attention to international platforms, all this should be done, but this is not the problem will decide, this is draining the sea

with a spoon, tomorrow we will free 20 people, exchange them, there will be some mechanism, the day after tomorrow 100 new ones will be imprisoned, well, because the whole people are simply hostages, yes the whole people, and in order for the people not to be hostages, it is necessary to reduce the number of hostages is sad but this is the truth with which we have to come out, well , that is, if i understand correctly that, well... now we see that there are negotiations between ukraine and turkey regarding the release of crimean tatar prisoners, but we saw meanwhile the news that russia does not really want to release the crimean tatars, specifically the crimean tatars, there are still agreements regarding prisoners of war, but if we are talking about political prisoners, russia simply does not want to, why do you think? well, look, the problem is that there is a question of exchanging prisoners of war, often the aggressor is interested. as they say, in exchanges to get certain categories of their prisoners of war, it's not a secret, so they go for it in general, yes, with regard to civilian hostages, they have a standard

position, it's very difficult, they are very reluctant to go for it, of course, you can always offer such, as they say, clients from whom they cannot refuse, but there are certain questions here, and do we have these clients, yes, the question is for our law enforcement officers, we have a huge number of bodies. regarding the crimea, we see a lot of certain decisions in absentia, it is correct, let it be in 10 years, well, at least something it will be done, but let's be honest, if we had more arrests of those collaborators who are on the mainland, believe me, they are there, here we should have not only certain legal knowledge, but a certain political will, for example, in relation to those owners of the real beneficiaries of businesses in crimea, yes, if we had several such beneficiaries of businesses, well, we model... there are those behind bars, like medvedchuk, would mr. putin or his crimean cronies agree to an exchange, this is a lot of money, these are beneficiaries, they know a lot, believe me, they would change

all the cranks. hostages, but this political will is necessary. what about the role of turkey? turkey is an intermediary that has its own interest. turkey has many interests of its own, and they should be treated with respect. it is a sovereign independent state, it has democracy as the basis of governance. there are also democratic competitive processes. and a lot of interests in turkey depend on geostrategic interests, political interest of the competition of political forces, we see the result. local elections, they are, let's say, special, painful for some, joyful for others, but then there will be the next udders, elections, and in this, and it affects the politics of turkey, and the third situation, with all due respect to turkey, is the economic crisis, uh, there is an economic crisis, and today they have, well , they want, frankly, to have economic profits from all sides , this is life, we have to take it into account, that is why we have to

perceive such mediation taking into account these three, like that... they say factors and these three factors are objective and this is not it, we cannot criticize for turkish, this is their life, of course it is interesting that on occupied in the occupied crimea, the russian authorities began to detain not only crimean tatars, not only ukrainians, yesterday there was news that they detained russian neo-nazis who, with imperial flags, seemed to organize their activities, such interesting people all wearing tattoos with various elements similar to... swastika, what are they then they are connected to the special services of ukraine, the propagandists wrote, and at the same time, they seem to be connected to ukraine, that is, for them there is not even a formal principle that if you are a russian nationalist, then you are safe , if you are disloyal to putin, they will come to you anyway, that was always the case, what would be

the specificity until the 22nd year, look. i said about it many times, this is a mantra for some diplomatic ways, yes, this is not a great pity, a policy with which someone tried to fight, then had problems because of it, so someone just turned a blind eye to it, when we talk a lot about flights there yaznov, about crimea, and we allow the most powerful ukrainian beneficiaries to have businesses, we do not punish collaborators, a person who simply lives in crimea, as they say, who, excuse me, has a certain life experience, she sees it all, she perceives it critically, correctly, and she understands that... the situation until the 22nd year, which , unfortunately, the situation of this gray zone that was there, is for a long time, a person adapts her life, the life of her children, she mostly does not perceive the occupiers as a just and legitimate authority, and that is normal, but she understands that this is for a long time, and therefore a lot of people, both crimean tatars and non- crimean tatars, this challenge is just common here , they did not show their public position until the 22nd year, as they say, because this

they, as they say... in soviet times, people always kept this barrel, as they say, in their pockets, and then in 1991, everything fell apart, although it seems that everyone voted, as they say, zelenina, stalin and others they say stops another question is: what has changed? after the 22nd year, two things changed. the first thing, even three. the first thing, everyone understood that this gray area, this gray zone, it is not, it is not endless, as they say, it will end. a great war cannot go on for centuries, now for 12 centuries. the great war will end in a few years the defeat of russia in one... or another format, it will necessarily lead to a change in the situation in crimea, how - this is another question, but there will definitely be a change, and absolutely everyone understands this, from the crimean gauleiter to the last, as they say, crimean bum, what will change is the first, the second, the second, it's minutes, the second, it's important, it's the maximum total persecution of the ukrainian, that is, for the very fact that you're not just a citizen of ukraine there, that you're an ethnic ukrainian, or you just know you sing a ukrainian song, they began to persecute you for that, and the third. these are crimes

whether war crimes are committed on the controlled territory, murders, fratricide, frankly, let's say this, the terrible things that the russian federation did to its oppressors, these three factors, they affect the consciousness of any crimean, people simply cannot remain silent physically, in them in to a normal person, she can no longer restrain herself, that's why it's a wave, and that's why these phenomena have become thousands, they look in two years, about a thousand people are punished, thank you very much, this is a signal that...