who do not live in shacks on chicken legs, and they have a lot of cars, not only chinese, but also others, that is, this story is so complicated, and you see, they, as it were, do not like it very much, and they even have such a word there they announced that it was a pitchfork, but they did not conclude that it was a pitchfork in relation to whom, putin , he is fighting somewhere in the space of the snata, do you understand? and there are some boyars there, well, they are bad there, something else, well, i don’t know, maybe the mayor of orsk will be imprisoned there, or he will move to dubai to live with his son, maybe that’s it, that’s the end of it, that is, we are only interested in the ability of the russian state to wage war with us, at the moment, at the moment we understand everything, they will fight, you know, in the context of this flood, i am most afraid that they will not start relocating these... people from orsk and

orenburg somewhere to the south or the south -east of ukraine, because the houses are destroyed, and it is impossible to live there, of course, and there is also a question here, because they will say, well, let's go and develop the new russian lands that we seized there, and that can also happen, in principle. thank you, thank you, roman, we put a full stop and thank you for being you turned on, it was roman tsymbalyuk, a journalist, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel. and also on our platforms in youtube and facebook, we are conducting a survey, we ask you about this, do you consider putin a legitimate president of russia? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion, please write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if yes, then 0800211381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are available free, vote at the end. program

, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with viktor shlinchak, head of the institute of world politics. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. greetings, serhiy. good evening to all of you. today, mr. viktora, a meeting of the ukraine-nato council took place, and after its conclusion, nato secretary general jen stoltenberg said that the allies are ready to provide our country with additional anti-aircraft weapons. defense, let's listen to stoltenberg. regarding the improvement of air defense systems for of ukraine, i want to say that it will happen soon. germany also decided to provide additional systems to ukraine. ukraine will soon receive additional patriot systems. our allies. which, unfortunately, there are no available,

accessible systems, they can provide financial assistance to ukraine. we also work within the framework of strengthening production, production of precisely those necessary systems that would meet the goals. mr. viktor, please explain why our western partners are struggling with air defense for so long? i also. mr. serhiy, the question is, what happened, i remember the year 2022, when my children also drew cries, close the ukrainian sky from russian missiles. two years have passed, and only now, somewhere out there, they want to get some additional systems and, accordingly, missiles for them.

of course, i have some guesses as to why this is happening, because it is obvious that now we really are at such a turning point in the war, in a turning point from all points of view, in a turning point from the political point of view, because first of all we started to hear about the victory of ukraine, that russia must... be defeated, that now it is necessary to provide everything possible, and it must be done quickly. i very much hope that tomorrow's vote in the house of representatives will be just as positive. this means that the western partners, the majority of the western partners , have matured to the point that it is necessary to solve the situation in a radical way, after all. the circumstances in which

we, which we have now, are precisely, well, let's say , a rather serious such reason to think over that, including what the head of american intelligence says: losing ukraine without weapons, losing ukraine without the means to destroy russian missiles, will lead to the fact that russia will become stronger. this will mean that another wave of refugees will pour into europe. this will mean that europe will be forced to distract itself from its...problems and from its upcoming elections, also in european countries, and start dealing with ukraine, accordingly, now some leaders are starting to mature to the point that it is now more profitable for them, still provide what

ukraine is asking. and olaf scholz, the federal chancellor of germany, after the meeting of the european council in brussels, announced that ukraine could receive seven. air defense systems from partners in the north atlantic alliance, in particular, one of them has already been allocated by germany. let's listen to scholz. the alliance has made it clear that systems available in nato countries can be transferred to allow ukraine to better defend itself against multiple russian attacks. i would like to use this opportunity to emphasize this appeal once again. we heard there should be seven systems one of them is ours, and we hope to find the remaining six in the context of nato. in all these statements, mr. viktor, one thing is missing: that both scholz and stoltenberg and others, well, stoltenberg, the secretary general of nato, but for other leaders of the western countries to say

that we want putin to lose and for russia to lose federation, but there are no such appeals and no such statements, why? well, i really hope that during the voting there , in some documents, in some projects , it is from the forces to the fact that russia should to lose, and this means that politically, politically, this message can be strengthened, i apologize for the tautology, during this forum, the so-called peace forum, which is being held. switzerland is going to hold in june, and there is a small, let 's say, hope that just such a framing of the issue will force many leaders of the european union, in the first place, who are still in

a position where they are vacillating between how to settle the situation and , how to get involved in... aid to ukraine can change, but in this case there is a small one, i repeat there is little hope that the world is starting to reconsider this, this, this thesis, that is, when we were told that russia should not win, but also told the thesis that ukraine should not lose, now we need to turn over... absolutely this chessboard and start talking , that ukraine should win, russia should lose, only with this thesis, i think it is possible to work further. on saturday, april 20, at 8:20 p.m., 8:30 p.m. kyiv time,

the house of representatives of the united states of america will begin consideration of the draft law on new military aid to ukraine. prime minister denys shmega. visited the united states of america and said that both parties of the congress of the united states of america had assured the ukrainian delegation of support for aid bills. donald trump believes that the survival and strength of ukraine is important to americans as well, but europe should provide more decisive support to kiev than the united states, and this is clear from trump's new post, which he writes: how come the united states spends on... . war in ukraine by 100 billion more than europe, despite the fact that we are separated by an ocean. we all agree that the survival and strength of ukraine should be more important for europe than for us, but it is also important for us, wrote donald

trump. some right-wing republicans took the post as a signal that trump opposes the current aid package, although trump did not say so directly, reuters noted. ot. what did trump want to say, that on the european continent, you are there on the european continent, you yourself are dealing with putin, including, and that that the united states of america was one of the guarantors. the budapest memorandum, which was mentioned this week after the shelling, attempted shelling by iran of the state of israel, and these guarantees were mentioned, they said, well, these are such guarantees that in principle did not guarantee anything in ukraine, and that this is the budapest memorandum, rather it was a declaration. and there is nothing like that. maybe ukrainian diplomacy should remind all the guarantors of the budapest memorandum that we had nuclear weapons at all and we... gave these nuclear weapons and took a step to meet

the united states of america not in order for the united states of america to ask europe, why don't you help ukraine? well, there were other signatories, that is, if we are talking about great britain, france, russia and, with caveats, china. yes, and actually, just the situation... with the budapest memorandum is pushing other countries to join now not only in the war, i mean in the arms race, but to actively think about the fact that it is necessary to think about the nuclear, about the nuclear weapons precisely, this is being talked about now in japan, and it is being talked about in other countries, that is, now... since the situation with ukraine is pushing some states to seriously consider the possibility

of developing nuclear weapons, this is about the nuclear doctrine, which is related to what you said on to trump, for trump, this is not an extraordinary statement, because even when trump was president, he constantly... encouraged european countries to invest more in their military support, to spend more specifically on defense. actually, the war in ukraine pushed these european states to really spend more money now, some of them have already surpassed the mark of 2% of the domestic. what trump insisted on, and i think that this process will continue,

so going back to your question, the arms race is going on, trump is manipulating these numbers so far, because accordingly the capabilities of the united states of america and europe are a little bit different, even technologically, and that , that trump ... is somehow now demonstrating not to vote, i don't really believe it, because the last sociological data showed that the issue of ukraine became for that audience, which, let's say, wavers, that is, does not know which side of support to choose democrats or republicans, now they are just looking at the decision. on ukraine, on israel, on taiwan and on security issues. you see that

even the issue of the wall with mexico, it even somehow dissolved in the information space. so now is the moment when the united states of america really has to make the right decision. and let's listen to zelensky, who said today about which ones he priorities. deploys and what kind of help is expected from the members of the north atlantic alliance? we need seven more patriot or similar air defense systems, and that's the minimum number. they can save many lives and make a real difference. secondly, we have been talking about about a million ammunition for ukraine for a long time. and they must finally be delivered to the battlefield. thirdly, ours. our long-range capabilities, the battle really needs missiles, long-

range and artillery, fourthly aviation. we need the right number of planes to defeat the russian air fleet, and fifthly, the speed of this year, we cannot wait for a decision, whether they will hear zelensky, whether zelensky was heard and whether everything will be as dynamic as that president wants. well, i really hope that tomorrow will be a positive day for us, positive news, our military is expecting them. our bodies are waiting for them, we all together throughout ukraine are waiting for this help, it really is now the most necessary of all problems. thank you, mr. viktor, for the conversation, it was viktor shlinchak, chairman of the board of the institute of world politics. friends, we continue to work on

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today we have a journalism club, a traditional journalism club that we hold every friday. and today our guests are my colleagues, kateryna nekrecha, journalist of radio liberty, kateryna, i congratulate you, thank you for joining us today, the viewer and yanina sokolova, journalist, tv presenter, public figure, blogger and blogger who has more than a million subscribers on the youtube channel, if you are not yet subscribed to yanina sokolova, please be sure to find her channel on youtube, subscribe, it is very important, to support ukrainian-language... content yanin, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, congratulations to all the viewers, congratulations to you serhii, well, i, since, i will also ask you, my dear guests, since we are asking our viewers about the legitimacy of putin, why are we actually asking, because the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe this week recognized that putin is

the illegitimate, illegitimately elected president of russia, and that the regime that is... the federation is a dictatorship in fact, and this resolution is of course of a recommendatory nature of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, but obviously, obviously, we can also discuss and talk about whether he is the legitimate president of russia or not, whether to call him president or not, or just to call him putin and nothing more, katerina, how do you think that what should we do with the legitimacy of the president of russia? and whether to constantly insist and convince our western partners that he is illegitimate, he was elected in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, by the citizens of ukraine. well, at least their votes are recorded as having voted for the president well, it seems to me that the elections, as they call us in the occupied territories, in general, should be taken in a million quotation marks,

and this is a very important point, also to emphasize that people with all those stories of how they entered people's homes with automatic weapons , to call it a vote, well, it’s definitely impossible, that’s why i would rule this out separately, regarding the legitimacy of putin, well, it’s very interesting, really, how the states, leaders will react to this, and what decisions will be made in this context, i, as a journalist, will to note these decisions and then point to such a situation, so whether it is recognized or not, i did not observe the action that took place on the territory of russia, but i am interested in how it was different, including the so-called elections in the occupied territories, because they were also in the last elections putin, ukrainian occupied territories, then if... to take all this in a complex, and putin's past elections, were they globally different or not, now an aggressive full-scale war against ukraine has just been unleashed, this is such a big argument, but obviously,

that the adoption of such a decision and recognition of it as illegitimate, it simply cuts off some diplomatic opportunities, and therefore also certain economic relations and opportunities, probably this is such a decisive factor in recognition or non-recognition. is putin's world legitimate or not? thank you. yanina, well , it would seem that this is a rhetorical question, do you recognize putin as a legitimate president, but still, since we have equal opportunities and equal questions to our guests and to our tv viewers, i will still ask you about putin's legitimacy. sergey, do you and our viewers recognize the legitimacy of kimchin-in? leader of the dictator of north korea, there are no elections there, so in principle there is no legitimacy either. you answered your question: in countries where there is

a dictatorial regime, a totalitarian regime, and in countries where there is no chance to compete with any of the candidates of various political forces, in the presidential and parliamentary elections, the elections cannot be considered democratically elected heads of state, this... i think it should be obvious obvious to everyone, i am very sad that when putin, so to speak, took his next term in office, the leaders of many countries of the world, and the tops of the luminaries of democracy, did not pay as much attention to it as, say, it was, well, for example , during the time when lukashenko entered his next term, it... was accompanied by protests and probably fueled the story of what the whole world was saying about the so-called president, the undemocratically elected president, the self-elected

president, what to say about putin in this context, when a person is over 20 years old takes office, and the last cadences that we are observing, since then i have already managed to give birth to two children, who, if the war continues, will go to serve in a few years. and i don't see an alternative in the possibility, the possibility for someone to take part in the elections, firstly, everyone is dead, who could win something, and secondly, well, it's a totalitarian country, there's either you or nobody, so it's definitely not democratically elected president, accordingly the so-called president, it seems to me that we must all unite in the journalistic world, so that his to be called that way, however, we also consider russia... a country at the moment that does not claim to have any correlations related to the rule of law, democratically elected institutions,

politicians, and thought, and all those processes that accompany the rule of law and democracy in any country of the democratic world, so for me, sergey, no, i will be more categorical, i think it is time to be categorical. thank you yenina for your position and for your opinion, let's talk about our president, since his russian propagandists are now trying to question the legitimacy after may 20, 2024, they say that the term of his president's presidential term is coming to an end, of course no one in ukraine will pay attention to this, there is a war, we all understand that the president of... ukraine until the next elections will be president zelenskyi, and obviously there are not even two different opinions here. exactly 5 years

ago, on the 19th. in april 2019 , a debate was held at the olympic stadium with the participation of zelenskyi and poroshenko, and two days later , the second round of presidential elections took place. elections, in which zelenskyi won, i think that this is a great reason to sum up these five years of president zelenskyi, they are quite fast... they have passed, maybe it is all connected with quite such dramatic events the last two years, and yet, how do you, colleagues, my dear ones, evaluate the 5 years of zelenskyi’s presidency, or katya, he coped with his main role in the life of the president of ukraine, the main role in life, and an important one, well

there was a lot of transformation. in these five years i even sometimes, when footage comes across there a few weeks, a week before the full-scale invasion, and here is the zelensky we see two years later and visually, him and in his rhetoric, in his confidence, well, we all see these changes, transformations a part of society also experienced certain changes, which also, perhaps 5 years ago, looked at the situation in which ukraine found itself in one way and looked at russian aggression in a different way, and two years ago... re-realized somehow and that's all , probably this main transformation happened with the ukrainian president two years ago, we saw it, for me here, well, political scientists will judge and give their assessments, from an informational point of view, as a journalist, i am interested in the following, to what extent his rhetoric on some issues is changing, whether he is becoming less emotional or not, is he more

reserved in communicating there with... does he give more interviews, it seems to me that especially in these two years, when there is a great lack of some kind of communication, it seems to be there, because every day there is a video message, for example , there are many very interviews with western media, but maybe there is there are press conferences, they do not happen so often and such rhetoric is also quite different, but it seems to me that there is a lack of communication with ukrainian journalists, not within the framework of the telethon, but with... journalists from different newsrooms who could put, well, at least, i don’t know, once a quarter there are some questions, maybe a few journalists will gather there, but in order for the conversations to be more in-depth, because western journalists are interested in one thing, when there are some big global meetings where several hundred journalists are interested in another , they put those questions, of course, which also concern society, but if there was more of some kind of communication specifically with ukrainian journalists, more in-depth, it would probably give me more answers to some

questions, why... politics is conducted in one way or another, in general, it should look at the ratings and, for sure, including how ukrainians feel about this situation, well, the ratings say that zelenskyi probably did well, and his trust in him is still present and in these times, and in difficult political times in ukraine, quite high, and probably this is such a main assessment. yanina, you publicly appealed to zelenskyi on several occasions. i remember, in march 2019 , volodymyr oleksandrovich was quite sharply invited to the discussion, he at least once in october, in my opinion, when there was a conflict in zolote with volunteers who were at the front and protested against the withdrawal of russian and of the ukrainian troops, he at least once gave an answer outside of the public eye to you whether

all these questions that you had remained, and in general, how are you, how, has your attitude towards zelensky during these last five years? look, well, first of all, regarding the first question to serhiy, volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi did not give a single uncomfortable interview during his entire term of office, not a single one, and this was a trend that started even during... his election campaign, zelenskyi's entourage, which allowed him to give several interviews to loyal to him, so-called journalists, well, there is a big interview with gordon, clearly complimentary, which would not hurt the numbers, on the contrary these numbers increased, the rating was already quite high before the elections, warmed up.