we will do led to purchase a serious line for the production of engines, but if this is the case for contracting by the state, it is unclear who will need these engines in the future, and so far we do not see all those statements that say that you can release a million drones there, yes they can be released very easily fpv these light drones. but they do not solve the cardinal problem at the front, heavy drones are needed, heavy kamikazes are needed, 3, 4, 5, 6 kg, in parallel with long-range strikes, yes, and these things that are there from a kilogram to two, to three at a short distance, they are doing some of their tactical things, but they are not closing these problems at the front, so this kind of history that has to change, must change and... the words that

were said, that we will contract all the teams that have passed all the tests, field tests, combat tests, and which have the opportunity, capacity and means for release, this must be fulfilled, these words and promises from the state must be fulfilled, otherwise the state simply believes, then not it will be possible, mr. valery, we will probably put it here period, because there is really nothing to add to your words. that these extremely important words are related to the fact that the state, officials must fulfill their promises, which are given to the enterprises of the defense-industrial complex, when we hear good loud statements about production, promotion and so on, and on the other hand, we have sometimes we see a different reality, when an enterprise that for a long time has been engaged in the creation of strike complexes, aviation complexes... of a different purpose, then

these enterprises must also count on the support of the state. let me remind you that it was mine the interlocutor was valery borovyk, chairman of the board of the alliance new energy of ukraine, commander of the special unit of attack drones white eagle, and we can see that his company, in particular the company first contact, is now being re-configured to other projects related to air defense equipment, in particular, he mentioned the german company diehl, this. zdil is actually a company that provides the supply of air defense systems to the country, there are probably technological solutions where ukrainian enterprises can be partially involved, this is extremely important, but in general, if we talk about the results, now really, when we talk about air dominance, which was the theme of our program, then of course we count on the support of our partners on the f-16, but in any case we do not have forget about our domestic enterprises that

manufacture unmanned systems for various purposes, and assistance to our enterprises is no less important so that these enterprises then provide our troops with products that destroy the enemy on the battlefield. these were the main takeaways from this program, stay tuned to the spresso channel, there will be a lot more to come. hello tv channel and espresso channel, we welcome our viewers to the broadcast of espresso and the first crimean tv channel atr, as part of a joint project and atr, together beraber, i am gulsa mikhalilova and my colleague, mr. andriy yanitsky, working for you in the studio, congratulations, congratulations, well what well, we about...

we continue to talk about crimea, talk about the latest and most relevant news regarding the temporarily occupied crimea peninsula, and as always, we would like to start this block with the latest military news and actions of the armed forces of ukraine on the territory of the temporarily occupied peninsula, and our first guest is mr. volodymyr zablotskyi, a naval expert, mr. volodymyr, i hear you, you hear us. well, yes, mr. volodymyr, first of all, please tell me, you recently attended a very interesting conference in bulgaria, what kind of conference it was, what is its significance for our defense complex and for crimea in general, well, i can’t talk about the conference nothing to say, this is probably some kind of mistake, but i can say in general that any conference aimed at increasing

our defense capability accelerates the process of development of events at the front in our favor and , of course, accelerates it. the liberation of the temporarily occupied crimea, this is the main thesis that i can prove, what i am sure of, well, indeed , the black sea security conference was held in bulgaria, at which we heard a lot of theses and about security in the black sea region, representatives of the countries of the water area took part there of the black sea region and countries strategically important for this region, and in me... here is the question, can we generally talk about ensuring security in the waters of the black sea region, if, as long as the black sea fleet of the russian federation exists and the russian regime exists, the russian

federation in its current form is on the borders of the black sea region? we cannot say unequivocally, and it will be a mistake if someone convinces us otherwise, until... as long as there is a black sea fleet in the black sea , there is danger for everyone, even those countries that do not take part in hostilities. until there is a russian federation, there is a danger for countries that are located beyond the boundaries of even the black sea. this is, firstly, secondly, we have such a historical example, very attractive, which i believe should be applied. after our victory, to deprive the russian federation, if it remains, or the state entity that will exist in its place, the right to possess naval forces on the black sea.

we still see that russia has greatly lost its efforts in the black sea, and as a result of the actions of the naval forces of ukraine, first of all, the armed forces of ukraine, and they even had to change the team. by the black sea fleet, does it appear that the new commander is conducting combat operations in a different way, more effectively than the previous one, and are we resisting this, in your opinion? you know, the situation is developing in such a way that the change of the commander does not change anything, and they do it in vain, although that's the way it is, that's how we have it. yes, it happens, it happens, yes, please, the fact is that changing the commander in this case does not solve anything, and the enemy loses, he has the means, he's waging an unjust war, he's got tools for that war that's out of date, he's got

weapons systems that were prepared for the last war, uh, so we're ahead of the curve in terms of know-how in naval warfare and... without even having fleet, ukraine nevertheless pushes the enemy out of the water area, at least the southwestern water area of ​​the black sea, the consequence of this is the restoration of sea trade, ukraine's communication with the outside world, and the prerequisites for the liberation of crimea are also created. ugh, really. we now see how russia is trying to hide its own the remnants of the black sea fleet, and as reported by many russian media and propagandist russian media and many other sources, russia is now moving its black sea fleet ships to the ports

of novorossiysk and even they have made a deal with the occupation authorities of abkhazia, shall we say that for us and for the armed forces of ukraine, the ports of novorossiysk and ports are possible... the ports of abkhazia are a legitimate target, obviously, a legitimate target russian warships, military facilities anywhere, even outside the black sea, we are the last we know examples of, let's say, almost destruction, but heavy damage to a missile ship in the baltic fleet, damage to objects in other parts of others in others. regions of russia, that is, far from the theater of hostilities, but if we have such an opportunity, we will destroy the enemy where we can, and do we have such an opportunity, mr. volodymyr, or are we or are these goals achievable for us in the new russia and well in the future in abkhazia, quite achievable, this is not

a problem for aerial drones, let’s say, strike, and for sea, and submarines, what about you'. which were recently reported, moreover, now it is only a matter of a political decision, the fact is that after the damage to the tankers last year, when... the vdk olniygorsky hornyak was damaged, literally a few hours later everyone's tanker, which was standing in line, was damaged non-passage of the kerch strait, but our western partners, well, warned that it should not be done, because it is oil exports and so on. after that, ukraine moved to strikes on the oil infrastructure the mainland, i.e. where... there is no threat of an oil spill and ecological threat to the surrounding environment, well, let's see,

i think that as the need arises, we have surface, underwater, air, ground, missile, and such means the rest, we can clearly see this on the example of the last attack on dzhanko, well, actually this week as a result of the attack on the military airfield in the temporarily occupied crimea dzhanko and its destruction. launcher of anti-missile, anti-air defense, radar systems, as well as affected russian planes, this has already been confirmed and stated by the representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine andrii yusov, and here you know, the question arises, what new challenges arise for the armed forces of ukraine after the destruction of certain objects at the dzhankoy airfield, i.e. who and what could be next, well, for example, a bridge, how do you assess the prospects of damage to kerch city? the kerch bridge will be

destroyed, there are means for this, the only thing is that its destruction must somehow be coordinated with what our troops are doing on land, that is, its destruction should be part of the plan to liberate crimea, that is , a strike, then logistics are interrupted from the sea and from this bridge, then it goes... the assault on the peninsula or the expulsion of the enemy, forcing him to leave the peninsula temporarily occupied and so on, that is, it is mutual linked parts of one chain, which must be coordinated somewhere in time, and it seems that russia understands that the bridge will be destroyed, because it is building a railway road across the land at an alarming pace to supply ammunition for its own. them troops and if even the bridge is destroyed, then the efforts of russia will not stop, does

the destruction of the kerch bridge have such a great military significance, or is it more about some kind of symbolism, well, symbolism is present in war, because the informational component always exists in parallel with the physical destruction of something or someone, it is difficult here say. but it is necessary to do both, moreover, if they build this branch from rostov, there are two such bridges, two sections over the kalmius and over another river, a little further, which uh can be destroyed, and well not the fact that this branch will work, huh, this is us about the rostov, melitopol, berdyansk branch, the one that is being built now. yes, well, this is one that they are building now, at an accelerated pace, as you say, yes, yes,

and one more news that we would like to talk to you about is very important, but it is published by reuters, citing four of their interlocutors , and writes to reuters that ukraine did not sign an agreement on safe navigation in the black sea, ukraine unexpectedly refused to sign an agreement with russia and turkey. regarding safe shipping in the black sea, when this agreement was almost reached, well, it is logical that ukraine will not sign any agreement, and with the russian federation, and ukraine, like no one else, understands and has seen in its experience that any agreement is signed russia, it is not worth a penny, and we saw it in the budapest memorandum, and we saw it. during this agreement and the agreement on the joint use of the sea of ​​azov and so

on, but still, perhaps there are some alternative security and cooperation measures that can be proposed, for example, with turkey, which for us is a strategically important state in, well, at least in the waters of the black sea region, you know, we are currently discussing a topic that is not worth discussing, because... existence, that is in general, i i consider it a fake that ukraine conducted some separate negotiations with russia and turkey, and then withdrew, the presidential administration officially denied. such and such this fact of negotiations, therefore and why conduct them, if sea trade is unblocked in our country, without the participation of russia, we are successful several million, already tens of millions of grain have been brought, we are exporting, importing goods, now they have started container transportation, that is, we do not need it, moreover, here in favor of the fact that this is

russia's ipso, the fact that they ... discredit official kyiv by the very fact of the negotiation speaks for itself which he allegedly later refuses, so i personally do not believe in it and do not consider it necessary to discuss it, because it is not a fact that such negotiations did not take place, that is, in fact, we do not need them either, ukraine controls the region sufficiently for that , to resume shipping up to the pre-war level. eh, and no new grain agreements or any other agreements with russia are possible, we don’t need them, yes, you are right, i found news about the head of the black sea fleet, a new one, british intelligence says that after his appointment, the black sea fleet of russia shows the least

activity from the beginning of the full-scale invasion, therefore, mr. volodymyr, you were absolutely right that on behalf of... the head of the black sea fleet means little, he has little influence on anything, the very picture on the battlefield is such that he cannot do anything, well, although hides these ships away from ukrainian drones, and this is also confirmed by british intelligence, which writes that the port of novorossiysk has already been modernized to support ships from the temporarily occupied crimean peninsula, but at the same time, russia is now actively... trying to mobilize ukrainian citizens who live on the territory of the occupied peninsula to the ranks of the armed forces of the russian federation, and indeed during this time we have seen a lot of cases that russia opened against the crimeans, against the citizens of ukraine on the territory of the occupied crimea, who

did not want to join the ranks of the russian federation. this is how you evaluate this news and... what should the citizens of ukraine do who simply do not want to go to olaf of the russian federation, which simply forces them? well, i cannot but agree with the fact that this is happening, that this is a fact, this is another crime of the russian federation, so-called, and this crime is again directed against ukraine, against its ethnic group, without the fact that these are the crimean tatars. these are ethnic ukrainians or even russians, they do this both in crimea and in other occupied territories and try to solve their problems in this way at the expense of other peoples, including the occupied, to counteract this, there is such a program, which was introduced by the main intelligence department

in, including and... in the crimea, which is aimed at a way to refuse this, even when the conscripts will be so-called forcibly conscripted into the army of the occupiers, how to get in touch with representatives of ukraine, and there will be, let's say, a detailed briefing on what to do and how to act in order to... survive, let's say, stay alive and return home. well, as i understand it, the draft, disloyal to russia, citizens disloyal to russia the russian army, this is actually an opportunity for ukrainian intelligence to get their eyes on the inside of the russian army, and people who

still could not refuse service, but have some kind of pro-ukrainian views. they can contact ukrainian intelligence and report useful information for ukraine and thus bring the liberation of crimea closer. thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, thank you for joining our broadcast and answering our questions, choch sagolnas, military maritime expert fnzks, volodymyr zablotskyi was in direct contact with us, and we have a short break, and then we will talk about... we will continue our broadcast, thank you. hello, this is svoboda ranok, an informational project of radio svoboda. top guests every day. this is the shipping district, kherson. turn on live.

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is boris babin, ex-representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea. mr. boris, congratulations. good day. alaykum salaam. so, the black sea war took place in bulgaria security conference of the international crimean platform. your colleague was there and i know you know the details of what was discussed there. what is the significance of this conference for the future liberation of crimea, tell us in more detail, and why bulgaria in particular in your opinion. well, look, this conference is already the second, it is the black sea security conference, that is why it is held in the black sea countries, last year it was romania, and this was the first conference, the responsible bodies from the ukrainian side are primarily the ministry of defense named after the armed forces, so this is a certain specificity of this conference, it is expert in a certain dimension, that is, on the first... day experts gathered, on the second day diplomats, representatives of the states participating in the crimean platform, what can we say? first of all, it is good that it is being held, it is good that

we are learning to be consistent, because this is an annual conference, it should take place and provide an appropriate update, my colleague olesya tsybulka, also from the crimean reintegration association, had the opportunity to report at this conference that we can talk about its importance, first of all it is necessary to strengthen it the institutional capacity of crimea. platform, especially in the expert dimension, and therefore my colleague and i, let’s say, remotely, we just presented those improvements that were previous, which are the resource center, at the future of crimea strategic forums, we have held three in the last two years, just the last forum, which was held in march, it was dedicated to increasing the institutionalization of the crimean platform, primarily the expert network, because if we have an expert network. it should work, yes, the experts do to give what they are called experts, not because i came to the tv studio in a crib, yes, but because i have to give a certain intellectual product, a certain significant, as they

say, cost price, which is then put on the table, put on the table of the member states, international organizations, in order for a person to write something, it is necessary that, firstly, someone pays for it, secondly, that it bears responsibility and has a certain status, but we have already had the crimean platform for three years, and we still do not see answers to these questions, and therefore just were relevant internal regulatory documents have been worked out, you know this is purely tedious work, first of all, at first glance it is bureaucratic, we do not like bureaucracy, we like slogans, so that a person speaks with a beautiful high platform, says something, then she leaves this platform went on and on, so that there would be more, we were working, the appropriate additions will be provided to the crimean platform itself, and to the expert network, then the ball is in their court, they will, let them approve or not, let them continue to exist, as exist, i mean exactly expert dimension, and with regard to the interstate dimension, it is... also important, we have to prepare certain interstate agreements, no less, regarding the office of the crimean platform, it is not institutionalized, it should be fixed, not only at the level of the declaration, it is good that they

are approved, but also at the level of certain agreements, so that this system turns into what we call a mechanism, what we call certain structural movements, and that it is precisely a network that unites states, that unites in permanent interaction, it must be international state, it should be the respective offices and. then a full-fledged international supranational structure, then it will work, as far as i understand, the very idea of ​​the crimean platform was born when there was an idea to return crimea by diplomatic means even before the military full-scale invasion of russia, and then it seemed that the topic of crimea, it fades in the international information space, that's why we came up with this format, the crimean platform, let's draw the world's attention to the crimean issue and somehow spread it, increase it. now already in the dimension a full-scale invasion, when there is a hot war, and when something actually explodes on the territory of crimea every day, and we see that crimea

will still be liberated by ukrainian forces. weapons, rather than diplomatic efforts, what is the role of the crimean platform? is it preparing for adaptation, reintegration of crimea or? well , look, first of all, the fact that it was created is actually very good, because the platform should discuss our word crimea, so it’s very convenient, you know, to talk about coffee in yalta, there is a chiburek or a shed, it doesn’t give insults, but there is another dimension, there is a dimension of real integration to occupation, there is a measure of violation of international law, crimea has become a precedent and a negative precedent for attempted annexation, so this is... this very mechanism of the crimean platform, it was a very successful step. so, if we recall the history of the crimean platform, it was created even before the full-scale invasion, as an instrument of such diplomatic influence on the world, on other countries in order to raise and make the crimean issue more visible, and then it seemed that this was the right way, because there were no other tools, but today we see that during the already heated phase of the war, something explodes in crimea every day, and we understand that crimea

will be liberated by the force of ukrainian weapons. and here diplomatic efforts, they already take second place, what role does the crimean platform now have, what does it do, preparing crimea for deoccupation, reintegration or measuring the situation that is currently in crimea , what is its role? look, well , first of all, indeed, when it was created, it was a platform for increasing attention to crimea, but not only in terms of, you know, such purely of pr, it is very convenient to say, there is coffee tomorrow in yalta, the day after tomorrow there is a concert in yalta, there chebureksarai. it adds likes, yes, it is normal for politicians, but there is another dimension, there is a dimension of real work, yes, and that is why this step was really timely then, because it was not something diplomatic, as they say, table talks, that is, conversations, it was precisely the raising of crimea on the agenda as a precedent, a negative precedent, an attempt at annexation, an encroachment on the entire world legal order, as they say, the rules of the game recognized by civilized nations, and therefore it is, as they say, shot, and our enemies

took it very painfully... because they knew what it could lead to, regarding how to liberate crimea, this, you know, this is a mantra about diplomatic ways, i can say, whoever wants to, let verifies that i have always said a very simple thing, it is impossible to return something militarily taken, not militarily, even if we carry out a return without, let 's imagine, let's imagine, without active hostilities, it still has to be a military operation. because the russians occupied the crimea in february of the 14th year, with with little blood, yes, but a military operation in particular, and other ways, as they say, of controlling the territory during an armed conflict do not exist, so all these mantras are mantras, yes, and we are people of the real world, so the example is really it is important that today within the crimean platform there is at least this separate security mechanism, which is carried out, let's say, more by the military than by diplomats, despite this, despite this, in terms of ways and strategy, we

have to... work our agenda, that's right today, we and our colleagues, together with several ministries, held just such a meeting the security conference is already in kyiv, and it is very simple: look, today we already have nine agreements on the security and support of ukraine, which we signed this year, great britain, germany, france and so on, the czech republic is preparing there, and we will be grateful any country of the civilized world, which signs this agreement with us, an agreement with the united states is being prepared, and in these separate agreements, there is such a thing. assistance to ukraine in the preparation of plans and strategies for reintegration into the occupied territories. on the one hand , it is very good that our partners say that really need to integrate it, right? on the other hand, this is such a bell, because it means that our partners understand that we have these plans, not everything is fine, that we need help, and this, sorry, a certain diagnosis, if it is even spelled out in the agreements, then we today, what we see, but these agreements, they have recommendations. this is a treaty, this is,

excuse me, the government and your majesty, or simply, we have seen many treaties that, unfortunately, over time did not have their effectiveness in terms of security, for example, the budapest memorandum the budapest memorandum is a piece of paper, and those who signed it, should actually be responsible for the fact that it was signed in that form, these agreements are not a piece of paper, ugh, these are more serious things, so that you understand, and the agreement with great britain is the duty of ukraine to help great britain in the event of an attack on great britain. this can be taken with skepticism, but once a long time ago , great britain made a similar agreement with portugal, it was in the 14th century, this is how they still carry it out, so you understand how in this world civilized countries treat this kind of, as you say, pieces of paper, these are not pieces of paper, it is very important, and today an example is, you know, i have all the respect for all countries, to have these agreements, this is an agreement by the united states, which is today, says mr. yarmak.