chyn, after the meeting of the european council in brussels, said that ukraine can receive seven air defense systems from partners in the north atlantic alliance, in particular, one of them has already been allocated by germany. let's listen to scholz. the alliance has made it clear that systems available in nato countries can be transferred to allow ukraine to better defend itself against multiple russian attacks. taking this opportunity, i want to emphasize this call once again: we heard that there should be seven systems, one of them ours, and we hope that the remaining six will be found in the context of nato. in all these statements, mr. viktor, lack one thing, that scholz and stoltenberg and others, well, stoltenberg, the secretary general of nato, but that other leaders of the western countries talk about what we want, that putin... play and that

the russian federation lost, but there are no such appeals and no such statements, why? well, i really hope that during the voting there , in some documents, in some projects , there is this, from the forces to the fact that russia must lose, and this means that politically, politically, this message can be strengthened, sorry for the taftology. during this forum, the so-called peace forum, which switzerland is going to hold in june, and there is such a small, shall we say, hope that just such a questioning will force many leaders of the european union in the first place, who are still in the position , when they waver... between how

to sit through the situation and how to get involved in helping ukraine, but in this case there is a small, i repeat, a small hope that the world begins to rethink this, this, this thesis, that is, when we were told that russia should not win, but also... they said the thesis that ukraine should not lose, now we need to completely turn this chessboard over and start saying that ukraine should win, russia should lose, only with this thesis, i i think that it is possible to work further. on saturday, april 20, at 20:20, 20:30 kyiv time, consideration of the draft law on the new military aid

to ukraine house of representatives of the congress of the united states of america, prime minister denys shmehal visited the united states of america and said that both parties of the congress of the united states of america have assured the ukrainian delegation of support for aid bills. donald trump believes that the survival and strength of ukraine is important to americans as well, but europe should provide more decisive support to kyiv than the united states, and this is evident from ... trump's post he writes: how come the united states spends on the war in ukraine is 100 billion more than in europe, despite the fact that we are separated by an ocean. we all agree that the survival and strength of ukraine should be for europe is more important than for us, but it is also important for us, - wrote donald trump. some right-wing republicans took the post as a signal that trump opposes... the current aid package, although

trump did not say so directly and reuters notes that, what trump meant was that on the european continent, you are there on the european continent , you yourself deal with putin there, including the fact that the united states of america was one of the guarantors of the budapest memorandum, which was mentioned this week after the shelling of the attempt shelling of the state of israel by iran, and they mentioned these guarantees, they said. well, these are guarantees that, in principle, did not actually guarantee anything to ukraine, that this is the budapest memorandum, rather, it was a declaration, and there is nothing like that there. maybe ukrainian diplomacy should remind all the guarantors of the budapest memorandum that we had nuclear weapons in general, and we gave these nuclear weapons and took a step to meet the united states of america not so that the united states of america would ask... europe,

why don't you help ukraine? well, there were also other signatories, that is, if we talk about great britain, france, russia and... with reservations china, yes, actually, just the situation with the budapest memorandum is pushing other countries, now to join not only holo in the war, i mean in the race weapons, and it is to actively think about the fact that it is necessary to think about nuclear weapons, about nuclear weapons, precisely about this. they are talking now in japan, they are talking about it in other countries, that is, the situation with ukraine is now pushing some states to seriously consider the possibility of developing nuclear weapons, this

about the nuclear doctrine, about what you said about trump, about for trump it is not some kind of ... there is an extraordinary statement, because even when trump was president, he constantly encouraged european countries that they should invest more in their military support, in order to spend more specifically on defense. actually, the war in ukraine pushed these european states to really spend more money now, some of them have already...even surpassed the mark of 2% of the domestic gdp, which he insisted on trump, and i think this process will continue, so going back to your question, the arms race continues, trump

is manipulating these numbers so far, because according to the capabilities of the united states. america and europe are a little different, even technologically, and the fact that trump somehow now demonstrates not to vote, i do not really believe in it, because the latest sociological data showed that the issue of ukraine has become for that audience, which, let's say, fluctuates , that is, he does not know which side there is to choose democrats or republicans, right now, they are looking at the decisions on ukraine, on israel, on taiwan and on security issues, you see that even the issue of the wall with mexico, it even somehow dissolved in

the information space, so now there is this moment when the united states of america really has take the correct one. and let's listen to zelenskyi, who said today what priorities he sets, and what kind of help he expects from the members of the north atlantic alliance? we need seven more patriot systems, or similar air defense systems, and that's the minimum they can save many lives, and make a real difference . secondly, we have been talking about close for a long time. million ammunition for ukraine, and they must finally be delivered to the battlefield. thirdly, our abilities from a distant impression. the battlefield of affairs really needs missiles, long range and artillery. fourth - aviation. we need the right number of planes

to defeat the russian air fleet, and for fifth rate this year we can't wait for a decision. will... they hear zelensky, have you heard from zelensky, and will everything be as dynamic as the president of ukraine wants it, as we all want it, well, i really hope that tomorrow will be a positive day for us, positive news, our military expects them, our rearguards expect them, we all together with the whole of ukraine, we are waiting for this help, it is really the most necessary right now. which is of all problems. thank you, mr. viktor, for the conversation, it was viktor shlinchak, chairman of the board of the institute of world politics. friends, we continue to work on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live there,

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you watch us on tv, please use your smartphone or phone and vote if do you think that putin is the legitimate president of russia (0800-211-381), no (0800-211-382). all calls to these numbers are free, vote. today we have a journalism club, a traditional journalism club that we hold every friday, and today our guests are my colleagues, kateryna nekrecha, radio liberty journalist, kateryna, i congratulate you, thank you for joining us today, viewer tanina sokolova, journalist, tv presenter, public figure, blogger. and a blogger who has more than a million subscribers on the youtube channel, if you are not yet subscribed to yanina sokolova, please find her channel on youtube, subscribe, it is very important, support ukrainian-language content, yanina, i welcome you, thank you , that you are with us today, congratulations, congratulations to all viewers, congratulations to you, serhiy, well, i, since i will ask you also,

my dear guests, since we are asking our viewers about putin's legitimacy, why we are actually asking, because the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe this week recognized that putin is an illegitimate, illegitimately elected president of russia, and that the regime that exists in the russian federation is dictatorship in fact, and this resolution of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe is of course of a recommendatory nature, but obviously, obviously, we can also discuss and talk. about whether he is the legitimate president of russia or not or not to call him president, or not to call him, or simply to call him putin and nothing more. katerina, what do you think, what should we do with the legitimacy of the president of russia and, well, should we constantly insist and convince our western partners, is he illegitimate, he is elected

in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, by the citizens of ukraine, well, at least their votes are recorded as such ... who voted for the president. well, it seems to me that elections, as they call us in the occupied territories, in general, you need to take a million quotation marks, quotation marks, and this is a very important point, also to emphasize that people with all those stories of how they entered people's homes with machine guns, it is impossible to call it a vote, well, it's definitely impossible, so i would take this separately, regarding the legitimacy of putin, well, it's very interesting, really , as states, leaders and will be on this... what decisions will be made in this context, i as a journalist will comment on these decisions and point out then in such a situation that recognized or not recognized, i did not observe the action that took place on the territory of russia, but i wonder why it was different, including the so-called elections in the occupied territories, because they were

also in the past elections of putin, the ukrainian occupied territories, then if you take all this in a complex, and mine... putin's elections, were they globally different or not , now an aggressive full-scale war against ukraine has just been unleashed, this is such a great argument, but it is obvious that the adoption of such a decision and recognition of it as illegitimate, it simply cuts off some diplomatic opportunities, and therefore also some certain economic relations and opportunities, and probably this is such a decisive factor in whether or not the world recognizes putin as legitimate or not, thank you. yanina, well, it would seem like a rhetorical question, do you recognize putin as a legitimate president, but still, since we have equal opportunities, equal questions to our guests and to our tv viewers, i will still ask you about the legitimacy of putin. sergey, and you and our viewers, recognize

the legitimacy of kim jong un, the leader, dictator of the north. in korea, there are no elections there, so in principle there is no legitimacy either no, you answered your questions: in countries where there is a dictatorial regime, a totalitarian regime, and in countries where there is no chance to compete with any of the representatives of the candidates of various political forces in the presidential, parliamentary elections, elections, they cannot be considered democratically elected heads of state, it seems obvious to me and should be. obvious to everyone, i am very sad that when putin, so to speak, took the next term in office, the leaders of many countries of the world, and the leaders of democracy drew attention to it, as, let's say, it was , well, for example, during the time when lukashenko

entered his next circle, it was accompanied by protests, and probably this... fueled the story of what the whole world was saying, yes the so-called president, the undemocratically elected president, the self-elected president, what can we say about putin in this context, when a person has been in office for more than 20 years, and the last cadences that we are observing, since then i have already managed to give birth to two children, who, if the war continues , will leave in a few years to serve, and i do not see. alternatives in opportunities, opportunities for someone to participate in the elections, firstly, everyone is dead, who could win something, and secondly, well, this is a totalitarian country, there or you. or no one, therefore , of course, this is not a democratically elected president, accordingly, a so-called president, it seems to me that we must all unite in the journalistic world to

call it that way, however, we also consider russia to be a country at the moment that is not claims the ratio of some correlations related to the rule of law, democratically elected institutions, politicians, and the duma and... and all those processes that accompany the rule of law and democracy in any country of the democratic world, so for me, serhiy, no, i will be more categorical, i think that the time has already come be categorical. thank you, yenina, for your position and for your opinion. let's talk about our president, since russian propagandists are now trying to question his legitimacy after may 20, 2024, when they say his presidential term is coming to an end. of course, no one in ukraine

will pay attention to this, there is a war, we all understand that president zelensky will be the president of ukraine until the next elections, and apparently there are not even two different opinions here, exactly 5 years ago, on april 19, 2019. a debate was held at the olympic stadium with the participation of zelenskyi and poroshenko, two days after that the second round of the presidential elections took place, in which zelenskyi won, i think that this is a great reason to sum up some of the results of these five years of president zelenskyi, they passed rather quickly, maybe it is... everything is connected with quite such dramatic events of the last two years, and yet, how do you, my dear colleagues, evaluate the 5 years

of zelenskyi's presidency, or katya, he coped with his main role in the life of the president of ukraine? the main role in life is important, well, there have been a lot of transformations in these five years, i even sometimes... when footage comes across there a few weeks, a week before the full-scale invasion, and here is the zelensky we see two years later and visually his and his rhetoric, in his confidence, well, we can all see these changes, a part of society that also, maybe 5 years ago, looked at the situation in which ukraine found itself in one way and somehow differently looked at the russian aggression, and two years ago somehow re-realized that. that's all, probably this main transformation happened to the ukrainian president two years ago, we saw it, i'm here, well, political scientists

will judge and give their assessments, i'm interested from the information point of view as a journalist next, how much his rhetoric on some issues changes, whether he becomes less emotional or not, whether he is more restrained in communicating with the press there, whether he gives more. interviews, it seems to me that especially in these two years, when there is a lack of such communication, it seems to be there, because every day there are video messages, for example, there are many interviews with western media, but maybe there are press conferences, they do not happen so often, and such rhetoric is also quite different, but it seems to me that there is a lack of some kind of communication precisely with ukrainian journalists, not as part of a telethon, but with journalists from different newsrooms. who could ask, well, at least once a quarter, i don’t know, some questions there, maybe gather a few journalists there, but in order for the conversations to be more in-depth, because western journalists are interested in one thing, when

there are some big global meetings where several hundred journalists others are interested, they ask those questions, of course, which also concern society, but if there was more of this kind of communication with ukrainian journalists, more in-depth, i would like it perhaps gave more answers to some questions there, why politics is conducted in one way or another. in general, you have to look at the ratings, and probably also how ukrainians feel about this situation, well, the ratings say that zelenskyy probably did it, and his trust in him is there even now, and in these times, and in difficult political times in ukraine, quite high, and probably this is such a main assessment. yanina, you publicly appealed to zelensky several times, i remember in march 2009. that's enough sharply invited volodymyr oleksandrovich to the discussion, he at least once and in october

, in my opinion, when this... elbow in gold was with volunteers who were at the front and protested against the disbandment of russian and ukrainian troops, he at least once gave some kind of answer beyond the limits of publicity to you, are these all the questions that you had left, and in general, how are you, how has your attitude towards zelensky changed during these last five years? look, well , first of all... regarding the first question, serhiy, volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi is in favor throughout his presidential term, he did not give a single uncomfortable interview, not a single one, and this was a trend that began during his election campaign, zelensky's entourage, which allowed him to give several interviews to journalists loyal to him, so-called journalists, well, there is a big an interview with gordon,

clearly complimentary, which would not... harm the numbers, on the contrary, these numbers increased, the rating was already quite high before the elections, fueled by the series servant of the people, the film and tv channel 1+1, rotation, recognition, trust, skill give positive emotions, quite correct scripted rhetoric that every ukrainian, probably you and i, including globally, would like to put into practice regarding justice and the obligations of people's deputies. of the president, anti-corruption laws, the rule of law, well, everything that was voiced in such a simple language in this series, it was all correct in fact, that is why many people voted, but it happened as it happened, i think zelenskyy did not even suspect that he will have to be the president of a full-scale war a country attacked by a full-scale russian federation, and it has indeed

undergone some changes over the years. once there was a very valid phrase that every president of ukraine sooner or later, depending on his personal qualities, should become a nationalist, and i had such hopes in 2022 and at the beginning of 2023, but at the moment, in view of actions that do not take place by listening to the opinion of civil society, anti-corruption journalists, western partners... lead to the fact that this opinion has returned to what it was in 2018-19, when rumors just started, and then when zelenskyi was struggling with the issue of legitimacy or illegitimacy, whether volodymyr zelenskyi will lose his powers after may 20, 2024, we discussed this issue live on my youtube with former judges of the constitutional court.

the constitution, you must understand, my friends, is higher than the law on martial law, that is, there is a martial law regime, and it actually dictates to us at the moment that we cannot hold elections, however, there is a constitution that obliges to elect a new head of state, due to the fact that his term has already been suspended, such an opinion was heard, however, i will tell you frankly, even from the point of view of the voting process, if he was and... the information is written in the law on martial law, if suddenly such a decision was made and many said, listen, look at our country in the 14th year, and the election of this president took place at a time when we were already in a state of war, and not in full scale, but the wars voted, these are completely different different stories, many soldiers now in the trenches, many people left the country, to organize all this in order to make it democratic...

the elections were now, in my opinion, held properly, it is impossible, unfortunately, that is why i would really like elections, as well as, probably, a significant proportion of our subscribers and viewers, however, it is impossible to hold them now , and i think that it will be in russia's hands if there are any political cataclysms, you can imagine this pre-election process, this whole wave of black pr, commissioned articles and television... pono, which will forget about the war altogether and will be what to feed us is good news, and volodymyr oleksandrovich will feed us even more, so i think that at the moment there is no question, let's end the war, win it, and then we will ask everyone who was negatively involved in this war among the political leadership, our daddies waiting for

the end of the war, well, i think... everything will become clear to you with the next president.