and so what, well, some region is floating, by the way, look, there are quite good houses, that is, russians, they are also different, there is also a wealthy part, there are a lot of people who do not live in shacks on chicken legs, and they have cars many, not only chinese, but also others, that is, this story is so complicated, and you see, they, if they did not like it very much. and they even proclaimed such a word there as a witch, but they do not draw the conclusion of vila in relation to whom, putin, he is fighting snato somewhere in space, you understand, and there are some boyars, well, they are bad, there is something else, well, i i don't know, maybe the mayor of orsk will be imprisoned there, or he will move to dubai to live with his son, maybe this will be the end, that is, we are only interested in the ability of the russian state.

to wage war with us, for now, for now we understand everything, they will fight, you know, in the context of this flood, i am most afraid that they will not start relocating these people from orsk and orenburg somewhere to the south or southeast of ukraine, because the houses destroyed, and it is impossible to live there, of course, and here is also a question, because they will say, well let's go learn. new russian lands that we captured there, and this can also be, in principle. thank you, thank you, roman, let's put a full stop and thank you for joining in, it was roman tsymbalyuk, a journalist, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about the following , do you consider putin the legitimate president of russia? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion, please write in the comments below this video, if you ... watch us in

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to provide additional systems to ukraine. ukraine will soon receive additional patriot systems. our allies, who, unfortunately, do not have available systems, they can provide ukraine with financial, financial assistance. we are also working to increase production. production just right. what happened, i remember the year 2022, when including my children painted to cry, close the ukrainian sky from. rockets.

two years have passed, and only now, somewhere out there, they want to get some additional systems and, accordingly, missiles for them. i have, of course, some guesses as to why this is happening, because it is obvious that we are really at such a turning point in the war. at the turning point. stage from all points of view, in a turning point from the political point of view, because first of all we began to hear about the victory of ukraine, about the fact that russia must be defeated, about the fact that now everything possible must be provided, and it must be done quickly. i really hope that tomorrow's vote in the house. representatives

will be just as positive. this means that the western partners, most of the western partners, have matured to the point that it is necessary to solve the situation in a radical way. because the circumstances that we are in, that we have now, are just, well, let's put it this way, a rather serious reason to think about that, including what the head of american intelligence says: the loss of ukraine without weapons, the loss of ukraine without the means to the destruction of the russian rockets will lead to the strengthening of russia. this will mean that another wave of refugees will pour into europe. this will mean that europe will be forced to distract itself from its problems and from its elections, which are also approaching

in european countries, and will start dealing with ukraine. accordingly, now some leaders are beginning to mature to the point that it is more profitable for them now. still provide what ukraine is asking for. and olaf scholz, federal chancellor of germany, after the meeting of the european council in brussels, stated that that ukraine can receive seven air defense systems from partners in the north atlantic alliance, in particular, one of them has already been allocated by germany. let's listen to scholz. the alliance made it clear that the systems in place in nato countries. may be transferred to enable ukraine to better defend itself against numerous russian attacks. i would like to use this opportunity to emphasize this call once again: we have heard that there should be seven systems, one of them is ours, and we hope that the remaining six will be found in the context of nato.

all these statements, mr. viktor, are lacking one, so that both scholz and stoltenberg and others, well, stoltenberg. secretary general of nato, but well, for other leaders of western countries to talk about the fact that we want putin to lose and for the russian federation to lose, this, but there are no such calls and no such statements, why? well, i really hope that during the voting, in some documents, in some projects, there is this, er, from the forces to the fact that russia must lose, and this means that, er,... political political this message can be strengthened, i apologize for the tautology on during this forum, the so-called peace forum, which switzerland is going to hold in june, and there is such a small,

let's say, hope that just such a questioning will force many leaders... of the european union, first of all, who are still are in a position where they are vacillating between how to get over the situation and how to get involved in helping ukraine, it will be possible to change, but in this case there is a small, i repeat, small hope that the world is beginning to rethink this, this, this thesis. when we they talked about the fact that russia should not win, but they also talked about the thesis that ukraine should not lose, now it is necessary to turn this chessboard completely and start saying that

ukraine should win, russia should lose, only with such a thesis, i think it is possible work further on saturday, april 20. at 8:20 p.m., 8:30 p.m. kyiv time , the house of representatives of the united states of america will begin considering the bill on new military aid to ukraine, prime minister denys shmegal visited the united states of america and said that both parties of congress of the united states of america assured the ukrainian delegation of support for aid bills. donald trump believes that the survival and strength of ukraine is important for americans. however, europe should provide more decisive support to kyiv than the united states, and this follows from trump's new post, which he writes: how is it that the united states spends 100 billion more on the war in ukraine than europe,

while we divides the ocean. we all agree that the survival and strength of ukraine should be more important for europe than for us, but this it is also important for us, he wrote. donald trump, some right-wing republicans took the post as a signal that trump opposes the current aid package, even though trump didn't say so directly, and note that. reuters , that's what trump wanted to say, that on the european continent, you are there on the european continent, you yourself deal with putin there, including, and the fact that the united states of america was one of the guarantors of the budapest memorandum, which was mentioned this a week after the shelling, attempts by iran to shell the state of israel, and were mentioned they talked about these guarantees, well, these are guarantees that, in principle, did not actually guarantee anything to ukraine. if this is the budapest memorandum, there was rather a declaration, and there is nothing like that, maybe

ukrainian diplomacy should remind all the guarantors of the budapest memorandum that we had nuclear weapons in general, and we gave these nuclear weapons, and took a step to meet the united to the states of america, not for the united states of america to ask europe, but why don't you help ukraine? well, there were others. passant is, if we talk about velika britain, france, russia and, with reservations , china. yes, and in fact, it is precisely the situation with the budapest memorandum that pushes other countries. now we should not only participate in the war, i mean, in the arms race, but actively think about what needs to be... think about nuclear weapons, about nuclear weapons,

this is what they are talking about now in japan, they are talking about it and in other countries, that is, the situation with ukraine right now is pushing some states to seriously consider the possibility of developing nuclear weapons, this is in relation to the nuclear doctrine that regarding... what you said about trump, about trump, this is not an extraordinary statement, because even when trump was president, he constantly encouraged european countries to invest more in their military security, in , to spend more specifically on defense, the war in ukraine in fact pushed... these european states are now really spending more money, some of them

have already crossed the mark of 2% of domestic gdp, which trump insisted on, and i think that this process will continue so, going back to your question, the arms race is going on, trump is manipulating, so far... what about these numbers, because respectively the capabilities of the united states of america and europe are a little bit different, even technologically, and what trump is somehow demonstrating now is not to vote, i don't really believe it, because the latest sociological data showed that the issue of ukraine has become for that audience, which... well, let's say this, fluctuates, that is, does not know which side of support there is

to choose democrats or republicans, right now look at the decision on ukraine, on israel, on taiwan and on security issues, you see that even the issue of the wall with mexico, it even somehow dissolved in the information space, so now there is... this moment when the united states of america really has to make the right decision, and let's listen also zelenskyi, who said today about what priorities he sets and what help he expects from the members of the north atlantic alliance? we need seven more patriot or similar air defense systems, and that's the minimum they can protect. many lives and truly change situation, secondly, we have been talking about

about a million ammunition for ukraine for a long time, and they should finally be delivered to the battlefield, thirdly, our capabilities for long-range impact, the battlefield really needs missiles, long-range impact and artillery , the fourth is aviation. we need the right number of planes to defeat the russian one. will they hear zelensky, have they heard zelensky, and will everything be as dynamic as it was? the president of ukraine wants it, as we all want it, well, i really hope that tomorrow will be for we have a positive day, positive news, our soldiers are waiting for them, our bodyguards are waiting for them, we all together throughout ukraine are waiting for this help, it is really now

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since i will ask you also, my dear guests, since we ask our tv viewers about the legitimacy of putin, why are we actually asking, because the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe this week recognized that putin is an illegitimate, illegitimately elected president. of russia, and that the regime that exists in the russian federation is a dictatorship, in fact, and of course this resolution of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe has a recommendatory nature, but obviously, obviously, we can also discuss and talk about whether he is a legitimate president russia or not, whether to call him president or not or just call putin and not more. katerina, what do you think, what should we do? with the legitimacy of the president of russia, and whether to insist constantly and convince our western partners whether he is illegitimate, he is

elected in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, by the citizens of ukraine, well, at least their votes are recorded as having voted for the president. well, it seems to me that the elections, as we are called in the occupied territories, should be taken in a million quotes, and this is a very important point. also emphasize that people with all those stories, like with automatic machines entered people’s homes , it’s definitely not possible to call it a vote, that’s why i would deal with it separately, regarding the legitimacy of putin, well, it’s really interesting how states, leaders will react to this, and what decisions will be made in this context, i as a journalist, i will not observe these decisions and indicate then in such a situation that it is recognized or not recognized, i did not observe. according to the action that took place on the territory of russia, but i wonder if it differed in any way , including the so-called elections in the occupied territories territories, because they were also in the last

elections. to the ukrainian occupied territories, then if you take all of this as a whole, and putin's past elections, whether they were globally different or not, now an aggressive full-scale war against ukraine has just been unleashed, this is such a big argument, but it is obvious that the adoption such a decision and recognizing it as illegitimate, it simply cuts off some diplomatic opportunities, and therefore also some certain economic relations and opportunities, and probably this is such a... decisive factor in recognition or not recognition by the world of putin as legitimate or not. thank you. yanina, well, it would seem that this is a rhetorical question, do you recognize putin as a legitimate president, but still, since we have equal opportunities, equal questions to our guests and to our tv viewers, i will still ask you about the legitimacy of putin . sergey, and you and our viewers, do you agree?

in north korea, there are no elections there, so in principle there is no legitimacy either. you answered your question, in countries where there is a dictatorial regime, a totalitarian regime, and in countries where there is not a chance to compete with one of the representatives of the candidates of various political forces in the presidential, parliamentary elections, elections cannot be considered. democratically elected heads of state, it seems to me that it is obvious and should be obvious to everyone, i am very sad that when putin, so to speak, became the next cadence to hold his post, the leaders of many countries of the world, the pinnacles of democracy did not turn to this is attention, as, say, it was, well, for example, during the times when lukashenko...

entered his next circle, this was accompanied by so many protests, and probably, it fueled just the story of what the whole world was saying, the so-called president, the undemocratically elected president, the self-elected president, what can we say about putin, in this context, when a person has been in office for more than 20 years, and the last cadences, which we are observing, since then i have already managed to give birth to two children who... if the war continues in a few years will go to serve, and i do not see an alternative in the possibility, the possibility for someone to participate in the elections, first of all, everyone is dead , who could win something, and secondly, well, this is a totalitarian country, there is either you or no one, therefore, of course, this is an undemocratically elected president, accordingly the so-called president, it seems to me that we must all

unite in the journalistic world . to call it that way, however, we also consider russia to be a country at the moment that does not claim to have any correlations related to the rule of law, democratically elected institutions, politicians, and thought, and all those processes that accompany the rule of law and democracy in any country of the democratic world, so for me, sergey, no, i will be more categorical. i think it's time to be categorical. thank you, yenina, for your position, for your opinion. let's talk about our president, since russian propagandists are now trying to question his legitimacy after may 20, 2024, when the term of his presidential term is coming to an end. of course,

no one in ukraine will pay attention to this, there is a war going on. we all understand that the president of ukraine until the next elections will be president zelenskyi, and obviously, there are not even two different opinions here. exactly 5 years ago, on april 19, 2019 , a debate was held at the olympic stadium with the participation of zelenskyi and poroshenko, and two days later , the second round of the presidential election took place. in which zelenskyi won, i think that this is a great reason to sum up these five years of president zelenskyi, they passed rather quickly, maybe it is all connected with quite such dramatic events of the last two years, and that's all how about you, my colleagues, dear, do you evaluate 5 years of the presidency?

is he zelenskyi or katya?