in general, i insist that men can be conscripted for military service from the age of 18, actually voluntarily, there will be no more of them in ukraine, they need to be motivated and convinced, and the government has to start with itself, for this there is a whole series of tools , so that those people who promised and swore an oath to ukraine to defend it, so that... they were mobilized, including to the army, came to training, retraining, received a military accounting specialty and were sent to military units to complete this or that service for his own in his specialty, for this it is necessary to determine a certain time, a year and a half, it already depends on the complexity of the preparation processes and on the staffing of those bodies from where people will be called, for example, to the ministry.

of internal affairs, if we prepare a soldier to go into battle for 3 months, i do not think that it will take more time to train certain people in order to qualitatively replace in the ministry of internal affairs some lower level of this or that function performed by an employee of the ministry of internal affairs business, so start the authorities must show their example, there are bodies. of state power, there are local self-government bodies, there are a number of state- owned enterprises, show us, we will not have any more men, there is someone to replace, there are women, there are men who are not subject to mobilization, please use it, he will determine his own terms, set a task for yourself, a year and a half, and carry out this rotation so that ukrainian society gets at least an approach to it... to justice, because

today it turns out that those who started the defense of the state are the ones who must defend it to continue to the victorious end, that's why it's difficult enough, believe me, morally, this uncertainty is this, it morally depresses many people, raises many questions, we have a whole series of social disorders, such as marriage breakdowns and demographic ones. our recession is a consequence of all this, because this injustice creates further problems in society. you already mentioned demobilization, yes, this is actually the norm or the removal of this norm, to be precise, actually provoked a big scandal in society and among the deputies corps, in your opinion, why did this happen, why exactly were these norms ultimately a pitchfork,

because, in principle, they were both in the initial version of the draft law, you still remember, that december, and in the allegedly final version, which was still as of the beginning of the week, is demobilization necessary in general, at the moment, and the second question, actually, why was it specifically removed from this draft law now, well, you are asking the right questions. but the answer is on the surface, it is in actual combat operations, in the promotion of the russian offensive against ukrainian territory, in the need to conduct military operations for the defense of the state right now, not tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, right now, we don’t have other people who are currently defending, so commander-in-chief syrskyi correctly remarked about the

need ... you can now tell people that you are a demotivating factor for conducting operations, you will be demobilized tomorrow, so let's face it, we don't have a second army to replace the one that is fighting now, i think we can a number of other arguments can be given, but for people who are directly at the front... the most important thing is that this issue has not gone anywhere, it will be considered and this decision will be made, it is another matter that we need time to prepare a high-quality replacement, it is not possible to replace high-quality ones with low-quality ones, that is, it is a certain period for preparing units, coordination and then replacing them with those guys who have been recapturing for 36 months, and already more, of course, and in order for... these people to be able to do a certain it's time

to rest, how it will be built formula, or 36 24, or 36.12, or in some other way. i don’t know, it should be counted, i think that this is exactly why i asked the commander-in-chief to postpone this issue in order to be able to carry out high-quality defense operations now, and not to question the motivation of people who are already at the front, for which i thank everyone i am very grateful to the fighter, and their work, their contribution for more than 39 months. or 27 months, it is invaluable, i think that ukrainian society will find an opportunity to thank the soldiers for this contribution, definitely, here i completely agree with you, regarding that we have to be grateful to our

soldiers and help them as much as possible, which we do every day. you also mentioned motivational norms, yes, motivation, it must be there, because... we see that certain such processes, disputes, i would say, and perhaps even the reluctance of some part of society are taking place in society join the defense forces, the armed forces of ukraine. in your opinion, there are motivational norms in this draft law, do you need to add any more, and what do you think, by the way? the former, including the legislator, i think, in this case... could advise the current legislators and, in principle , also give their assessment regarding these motivational norms, which, in my opinion, are very important. well, the main motivation, i will explain to you as a military man, because now what is happening at the front is the most important for

the state and society in general. my position as a military man is that the main tools of motivation are to let people know where they are going. er, what knowledge, skills, abilities they have, should have, which will receive in order to be effective, uh, believe me, it is not a salary, the main motivator, the main motivator is the presence of a quality commander, quality training, effective weapons to perform this or that task, so if we wrote it into law, it would be a motivation, maybe a certain period could be the motivation... rest is mandatory, unconditional, that is, i, as a commander , plan operations for a certain period and have to let people go there for a week or two, i don't know how it should be right, but they have to have the opportunity after a long active combat encounter to have a rest, whether on

the ground, in the air, or during other military operations, but the main motivator is the understanding of the future. on my conviction, and the formation of a volunteer army, these volunteer tools, when , for example, today the mobilization system is built in such a way that if i even convince you personally to come to my unit, it is not a fact that i can provide it, that is, you will go, get documents at the tsc, and after studying at the training center you will be there distributed as they want it, the main personnel management, personnel centers. anyone, but not the commander who invited you to serve, so this is a big problem, i am in favor of returning these tools of the cossack army, the volunteer army, to the body of the document, allowing us, as commanders, to invite, yes was, by

the way, at the beginning of the full-scale war, in february 24, 22, so why can't it be done now? i don't understand, we ourselves are ready to teach people, we ourselves are ready to teach, if we lack something, for example, in we have questions about engineering training, we use training centers, we send people there, they undergo additional training with us, because we cannot physically provide such quality training, why they do not trust us in this matter, i do not really understand, why personnel bodies in the superstructure? this is also not clear, the electronic form of military registration allows to carry out the movement of a serviceman efficiently, in a timely manner and without the possibility of deception from all sides, if i, as a commander , invite him, then the part from which i take them,

cannot help but let it go, and this would immediately be a definition of the effectiveness of the commanders, if a lot of people leave the commander, accordingly, something is wrong there, if the people have... 100% equipment and people ask for it to him in the unit to him in the military part, accordingly, this person is effective, he can and is able to fulfill military tasks. the tasks of combat defeat effectively, why do we apostatize from this, i do not understand why we, while building or defending democracy, put undemocratic methods first attracting people to the army, it seems to me that it is necessary to return to it, to allow it, since at the beginning of the war it was a matter of relations to take people to yourself, and this was also an effective way of conducting it. additional mobilization, i do not understand why this should

be abandoned. i say once again that an effective tool for accounting should be an electronic database, not by sending personnel agencies. by the way, about the internal capabilities of the armed forces themselves, for carrying out such internal mobilization in the armed forces, in each part, large, there is cadre units, there are military units, military units, and for example, we could... as an armed force say that from such and such a date, we refuse men there from june 1 who are subject to mobilization in order to be assigned to these units, in the formation part, in the personnel part, in the rear, and in this way we could carry out internal rotation, why it is not carried out, it is not clear, and the main thing. the commander supports this, i think that we will definitely return to this issue internally, and

we have such internal reserves, and we could people to be trained, educated and sent to the relevant combat units. before the actual adoption of the bill on mobilization, the commander of the united forces, the armed forces of ukraine, general, lieutenant. yuriy sodol stated that there is a certain problem with the number of personnel in our ukrainian units, in the armed forces of ukraine. and he actually talked about the fact that the occupiers actually have many times, relatively speaking, a larger number of the same personnel. can you confirm this information for now, or can we really talk about what we have now... insufficient numbers of people, especially in certain positions in the military, and in general,

the extent to which this problem may or may not be solved in the coming months, especially, this is important in the context that the occupiers, according to all the information that is now coming in, they are preparing the next stage of the so-called offensive, yes, mobilization, etc... in your opinion, this is really a problem here, and what should we do, is there an opportunity to fix it in the coming months? well, first of all, i had the honor of serving with yuri ivanovich sodol in the marines, an absolutely insightful general who worries about personnel, i think that his assessment of the situation is true, given the objective circumstances. and ukrainian mobilization, and russian mobilization, so i will compare, i will not be responsible for

quantitative indicators, but the fact that there is an advantage, of course, it exists for objective reasons, now what is our answer, we are again trying to answer linearly, introducing equal the same tools that russia is introducing, but it doesn't work like that, and if we continue... to insist on linear mobilization, effectively, not effectively, well it won't work, we, the actual law on mobilization is no different from the tools that will be involved, well, now with the adopted law, to conduct a check of the disabled or the disability that people received in the period from february 24, 2022 to now, it is unlikely ? is this a significant strengthening of the armed forces, therefore, taking into account the fact that

it does not work linearly, it is necessary to make non-linear decisions, such as the creation of volunteer units and the authority of commanders to attract people, technical re-equipment, that is, technical mobilization, i think that these two main directions could fundamentally change the situation on the battlefield with the appearance... in the ukrainian army of an air component, this would allow us to talk not only about the fact that we can stabilize the front on today's line, but also... the possibility of considering any counteroffensive operations in the future, therefore the main task now is to explain to ukrainian society why we refused demobilization directly in this law, and why this issue must be considered as soon as possible in the next draft laws, and how the good freely

to convince people, go get the appropriate qualification and help. direct participation in the armed forces or other military formations of the defense forces to take part in the defense of the state, there are a number of issues that have already been resolved, in particular regarding persons convicted of minor crimes, i believe that this is the right step, there are a number of other issues regarding people, who left, including illegally crossing the state border, i think that... there is a need for such an open offer from the state in order for these people to return to ukraine, if they want to defend it, and such a bill will be adopted in the near future either on the initiative of the supreme commander-in-chief or on the initiative of the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine. we have already

approached the issues of the coming months, and the issues of a possible offensive. of the occupiers, bild, financial times, they write very actively, in general , the foreign press is very active now, types have recently been very yellow, therefore very, very active, and everyone and everyone in ukraine today also picks up on this information, it is reproduced by all tv channels, all internet media and so on and so on, how possible is it, how possible is it? such actions of the occupiers closer to the summer in the summer, by the way, kyrylo budanov, the head of ukrainian intelligence, also spoke about this, about the fact that it is quite possible that in may, june, july, another offensive in several directions is possible, that is how far you are from your point of view , professional, specialist do you see such

an opportunity and what ukraine should do. in order to make such actions of the occupiers impossible, well, i walk the land from kupyansk to berislav and kherson, but in budanov and the commander-in-chief definitely has more intelligence, and in fact i only know the ukrainian side and the situation in the ukrainian army, so i am sure that we will be ready for any development, taking into account the fact that and... preparation of reserves and western support , and the manufacturers of ukrainian weapons, we are able, at least in the ground component, to change the situation already now, i say again, i am deep in the topic of ground-based automated systems, how they are used, and the experience of vovki davinch and

other units prove that this is an effective means, defeating the enemy, there is a whole series of developments in unmanned aerial vehicles that convince me that this is one of the tools, one of the components of the weapon of victory, but the main component that will ensure and make impossible, let's say, an effective offensive of the enemy, is the air component, therefore without air. unfortunately, we cannot talk about the stability of the front. today, all that you see from open sources of information on the success, conditional, on the destruction of ukrainian cities and villages, the enemy, is the air component, it is controlled and unguided aerial bombs, it's the use

of missiles, including strategic aviation, so given the fact that... and our intelligence, and the security services, and the joint military intelligence units have all the information available, i think that in the near future we will we will solve the problem in a non-linear way, we have the tools for this, including long-range unmanned aerial vehicles , the use of which you have seen in open sources of information, you will see more in the near future. cotton, even more affected russian facilities, including those related to the air component of the enemy's forces, therefore... we will conduct our own, complete what we have started regarding the destruction of the air forces of the russian federation. the last

three weeks have been quite difficult for ukrainian society and for ukrainian air defense. here, i think, no one is arguing for and, accordingly, for energy, respectively, for ordinary ordinary people who... see all this, who observe all this, in fact, mr. pavle, this can be considered an element intimidation, or an element of preparation for some offensive by the occupiers, right? nevertheless, ukrainian society, unfortunately, we see, quite, quite so during these weeks, has disunited in this regard, and we must work to ensure that society. was united and understood that this is a war, that this, that this is a war, that this is an enemy, who will continue to do this, what, what to us in this case, what

should we oppose in this case, can we oppose something to the nearest weeks, if the occupiers continue to attack our energy, and eventually on any ukrainian objects, which has become a very frequent phenomenon during... yes, i want to say that the same should be done with moscow and peter, in fact it is so, but we, energy and the destruction of the energy infrastructure for sure is unifying for ukrainian society. how the state and power institutions will react to this, i think they will react effectively. decentralization of energy supply is not only a minus, but also a plus. maybe we'll see. some small energy or nuclear reactors, like the kondu there the canadians had projects or something else, we

will not finally build two more blocks of khmelnytskyi, which will again be from above, yes, which may be affected a little not the next day, but we will see some systems of decentralization, around these projects and the state and society can come together, there can be underground facilities that will be adequately protected, in terms of the fact that these strikes will continue, i think, yes, they will continue, and the task of our air force and indeed the entire society to minimize the losses from such strikes , i think that's over it and the air force and the defense forces of ukraine in general are working right now, while we are talking to you in these studios, and the means, i say once again, to work in advance, to work in advance, such as the destruction of the aviation component, infrastructure, the production

of shaheds, other tools, production of missiles, it is already in the plans, i am 100% sure, although i do not know, of the ukrainian, ukrainian military leadership, so we will see all this in the coming months, we are ready for the development of such events, we are planning it, this asymmetric response and will carry out such works on the destruction of infrastructure and the air component of the armed forces. of course , the presence of an aviation air component in the near future would calm us down and simplify our work, in particular with the appearance of the f-16 and corresponding missiles, which can cause irreparable losses. for invaders, of course, we need air defense, so we need patriot systems,

both the military and politicians talk about this, and by the way, believe me, there are cheaper systems, and we already use them, and there are unique ukrainian developments, in particular regarding the modernization of air-launched missiles, we already have them in... in ourselves and we have modernized the missiles, mr. pavle, thank you for your analysis, for your thoughts, for your words, i hope that our viewers, and authorities, and our viewers took away some information, some analytics. pavlo kishkar, officer of the armed forces of ukraine, chief of staff, deputy battalion commander, people's deputy of the previous convocation. was in the espresso interview program, well, our viewers, i hope, will stay further with on the espresso tv channel, and we will see you

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