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and join the verdict with serhii rudenko every weekday from 20:00 to 22:00 at espresso. we continue our war and weapons program and talk about the fact that ukraine needs to strengthen air defense systems, and a number of countries, in particular germany and great britain, have volunteered to help with the search for patriot air defense systems. and before that, the president of ukraine. and the minister of foreign affairs talked about a certain number of sams, which is at least necessary to cover our cities from russian attacks. and now we are joined by a military expert, the chief oleg katkov, editor of the information and consulting company defense express. mr. oleg, welcome to kanaluso. good afternoon, thank you for the invitation. i'll start with the president's statement that came out a few days ago, where it was said that...

at least 25 patriot systems are needed, then the minister of foreign affairs talked about at least seven air defense systems, patriot. explain to our viewers how many we have now, and whether these 7 and 25 are significant numbers compared to what other countries in europe have that have these weapons. regarding the number of patriots in ukraine, you can rely exclusively on the public one. information that has been repeatedly announced, it is about the fact that ukraine received one patriot from the usa, another from germany, germany and the netherlands were also brought together for two, and from that we are already talking about three, but also the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky a few months ago said that ukraine got two more air defense systems that can shoot down anything, which was not the case, but the fact is that... when it comes to an air defense system that

can shoot down anything, it means that it can effective against both direct ballistic missiles and aerodynamic targets such as aircraft, only... of the available and available only two complexiots fall into this category, because it works effectively against things like iskander as well as against aircraft , which has been proven many times by the so-called blocking patriot, and samptsi, regarding samptsi, the fact is that during all this time, after quite long talks, italy and france were able, these two large countries were only able to single out one complex, and therefore , and that was quite public, so it is unlikely that they would do it again, let alone two at once, and it would certainly not be a secret, given the position and publicity of rome and paris in this matter, so most likely ukraine after all has a little more than three patriot batteries, and the question of which patriots themselves are very, very important questions,

because there are objectively now in service in nato countries , including and in the world in general, two types of patriot, patriot pack 2 , who uses missiles only jaime t. who fights effectively just with planes, high-altitude aerodynamic targets at ranges of 160 km there, and there is pak three, which has anti-missile capabilities and allows you to shoot down ballistic missiles such as iskander, shoot down kenjals and even zircon, so this is pak three, and it can also of course work by jmt missiles against aircraft, so for now we can only say approximately that ukraine has three dashes five, probably no patriot systems. of them may be the third party, three are definitely 100% known, relative to the number of patriots in, for example, nato countries, so recently joseph borel at the europe forum summit, he directly said that the western armies, that is, the western world, is nato,

it is the usa, plus its european segment of nato, then we are talking about the fact that, in general, we are talking about 100 batteries, batteries, let me remind you, this and there is actually an anti-aircraft missile complex, because batteries are like this... an organizational staff structure, but if you take exactly how many batteries of patriots, then there is only one, which usually consists of one rs, one command post, six or eight launchers, again still, this configuration is quite vague, we are talking about a modern one digital anti-aircraft missile complex, so the number of launchers can be changed, as well as usually on the smaller side, some countries cannot afford such a number of launchers in one patriot battery, there, for example, sweden, it orders only a third or four launchers from a limited number . and japan is also far from being a poor country, it has five launchers per battery, but if we talk about nato countries, we are talking about 100 batteries, if to be more precise according to the available information, then we are talking about 95, 60 of them are directly in

the usa, and 35 to 35 is what europe has, and these 35 are quite conditional, because earlier it was better to say everything. more than 30, because now some countries are just in the final phase of receiving additional patriot systems, for example, sweden, romania , poland, and so on two are two batteries of a reinforced composition, and they plan to order another 12 and so, so it is also necessary to understand that even receiving the first systems, for example, as sweden do it. but this does not mean that they immediately went on combat duty, to this time one should add usually a year and a half or two, these are the standard terms for the full combat capability of the system, when, after receiving it, that is why when we speak about seven or 25 additional batteries

for ukraine, how realistic are these figures in terms of what other countries have, can we hope that someone will share such a number? let's hope so, because there is a fairly logical position that broadcasts the ukrainian government, there are patriots in countries, for example, in germany, at least there may still be at least 10 patriots, and there may still be a certain number of them in so-called warehouses, perhaps in a rather dead condition, because they were disarming them during, starting from the 2000s, that is , they were selling them off, possibly withdrawing them. that is , their fate is unknown, but they had, well, we can talk about the fact that she still has about 10, so when, for example, germany only has 10 patriots, and we hope that she will will still give seven pieces, right? no, we're not talking about that, because of course, i just immediately understood that if the entire western

world is composed of patriots, then 1/4 part, if we talk about 25, well, it already says that it can't be easy, as well as even about the fact that if europe... in conditions when the usa is not at all with, well, so far there are no signs that this is objectively a blockade of aid to ukraine, i don't know if to call it now, because it it turns out for any... discussed at all, when the usa does not allocate aid for ukraine and thereby shooting themselves in the foot by the fact that now everyone in poland, in europe, and even in japan, the prime minister is saying in a speech to congress that the united states should return to the role of security guarantor, because is to provide assistance when you promised to do so, so we exclude 60 american batteries in this situation, and then even seven batteries with 35% of european ones are also quite a significant mark, so of course it is not

about the fact that somewhere in someone there is a whole basement with these people, which is full patriots, you only need to remember where the keys are from it, to open and get the anti-aircraft missile systems from there, it’s difficult, so immediately when even germany, after all , is the leader of the coalition directly, which , he adds, should get air defense to ukraine, it immediately said that it won't happen. it will be some rather difficult ways with the search for some combination, well, again, berlin has experience when they together with the netherlands collected one battery of patriots, the netherlands handed over, by the way, two launchers, this was given by the other germany, and even then there may be such a situation that it will have to be taken somewhere, someone will give one launcher, someone will give a communication car, for example, one too, somewhere someone there will hand over a radar station, for example, somehow it will be restored, someone there will... . because it is precisely the radar station that is the main core of the complex, without it it is, well, let’s say this is

a separate conversation, but we believe that it cannot work without it, and all this is additional , in fact, except for the direct question of where to get the patriot batteries themselves , uh, well, here and there, by the way, it should be noted that germany also said that it will look for options outside of europe, asia and... what is the east, as i understand it, yes, it is precisely asia, meaning japan, which does not export weapons , in principle, but it is possible to transfer the missile to the americans, but recently it has removed its own self-restriction regarding the export of weapons and can transfer those missiles that it produces at mitsubishi under a license from lokhit martin, these are mc anti-missile missiles to be sold to the usa, in the event that the us does not provide assistance, about it you can forget er, taiwan, well, there are seven batteries, well, japan has 24, 25, ah, taiwan

has seven more, taiwan, well, it will definitely not transfer anything, there is korea, the south, of course, well, it also does not transfer any weapons to ukraine, and it is quite understandable why, because there, next to them, is the dprk, which is constantly testing something there, firing missiles into the sea and demonstrating what it will do with a hive and all that, and the near east. a very difficult region from the point of view of arms trade and diplomacy in general, but there really are patriots there, in particular only in the saudi arabia can be up to 25, why up to 25, because we are talking about countries that are much more advanced in the public sphere than, for example, the countries of europe or the usa, and therefore it is possible to talk only about a certain - well, interval, as long as it can be to be, it is 18 or 25 patriots, well, about this interval. saudi arabia is indeed quite a possible potential donor, because it is quite directly focused

on european, american weapons, and let's say, there are chances in my opinion, but unless of course berlin will negotiate, so that berlin has been blocking the sale of eurofighter fighter jets to saudi arabia since the 18th year, so london is more involved here, which was also announced by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, koleba. what the patriots will also look for, can be much more positive, because the trade balance of weapons from saudi arabia and great britain is 10 billion over the last 10 years and pounds and dollars, mr. oleg, we are now talking about patriots and complexes, and for some reason we forget, first of all, that rockets for these systems should definitely be in the first place, what with by the production of means of impression under the patriot, what are the needs, what is it possible... for manufacturers to satisfy the demand of ukraine and other countries that use these weapons? here it is

much more complicated, that is, it is clear that it is already clear that they are not lying around somewhere with the patriots, and the problem with missiles also exists. regarding the production of new missiles, because of course there are reserves, we still hope that ukraine will still receive missiles in reserve, and not wait for them to be manufactured, because... otherwise, everything becomes quite critical, and perhaps just explains the fact that the search for patriots rests on the number of missiles themselves, which will need to be transferred, that is, even if you get... there are 25 batteries of patriot missiles to them in such a number, it simply may not be, in what the problem and regarding the production of missiles are gmt missiles, which are designed to destroy aerodynamic targets, they are produced by rayton, and the officially announced rates of their production are 20 missiles per month, 240 per year for all patriots in

education, which are understandable, if even just to charge these well take all american patriots and load them with these missiles, then that means that rayton has to work for about 7-8 years just to get one total kill out of these us patriots at the current rate, of course it's expanding, the important aspect here is that they are expanding production rockets, the production of gmt rockets is now starting in europe, it will be in germany, a joint venture by ratem + mdba, camblock. but the first missiles should leave the factory in two years, and in the 27th year, the pace of the 26-27 year, the pace of production of gm+ missiles has install 35 missiles per month. regarding anti-missile missiles, more precisely mce anti-missiles, that is, which are intended for the patriots and are supposed to shoot down already ballistic targets, such as the same iskanders,

work effectively against daggers, everything and anything else, then... on notice and well, this is public information, absolutely it is it it became the subject of congressional hearings in the congress there , even the elimination of the budget, the fact is that locket martin currently produces 500 mce anti-missile missiles, after all, well, there is still in japan, but again it is not known, because japan is not announced no data, relative to the american 500 units per year with a plan to expand by the 27th. year, their production is up to 750 per year, but for this you need money from the pentagon, from the pentagon, the pentagon needs money from the us congress, that is, everything is complicated, but the plans for 750 until 2027 are quite realistic in any case, because again after all, there are more and more patriots in the world, this is the main system that will definitely be in service for another decade, and even taking into account

the fact that work is currently underway to integrate these missiles without... mc on the american yasminka english and other systems from well ship systems agsh. mr. oleg, right now we are talking about patriots, about missiles aimed at patriots, and in front of you i am talking to alantid badryuk, he spoke about the need to look around and look for countries that can also have air defense systems, in particular there turkey, south korea, in order to receive support there in such systems of... similar power, conditionally speaking, what do you think about this, does it make sense to expand the park of our anti-aircraft systems defense, everything rests on the possibility, in particular, in turkey, let's say this, there are air defense projects, three national projects under the common name haysar, and their essence is to, well

, create their own proposal, this is against the background of the fact that turkey bought h4, it is quite expensive, so they went the way of investing maximum funds in creating their own, there is a really long-range missile complex, khaysar-u, at the same time, it is still only, let’s say, at the stage of completing tests and starting serial... production, that is, it not about what their it is possible to get it ready-made and in the right quantity right now, it is actually, if you order, then you have to wait for years. in relation to south korea, the whole problem with this country is that, again, in the case of anti-missile defense, it relies on american complexes, relies on

patriots, relies on the american deployment complex and ultimately does not produce similar ones. complexes with anti-missile defense capabilities, but there is a country that really has the ability to create and sell anti-missile defense systems, which also does not export ukraine's arms, like south korea's, are israel's. this is the prasche david complex. the most interesting, it is already approved for export, its first customer was directly finland, and it has a significantly lower cost than the patriot, and ... its missile costs, according to official data, they were announced in the pentagon 20% of the cost of the mce, i.e. estimated at $400-500, against three, and it... this missile should be integrated into the next iteration of the patriot paak-4, which is currently under development, but here it is very important, after all, about these slings

david and this missile to understand that israel still holds such a difficult political position regarding the transfer to ukraine and the sale or at least re-export to ukraine of weapons and it blocks it. mr. oleg, just one minute, how would you predict the searches of the system. patriot for ukraine in the short- or medium-term perspective, what can ukraine optimally count on in your opinion? unfortunately, once again, the situation primarily depends on the usa, if the usa does adopt its general aid budget for ukraine, the question is where to get the patriots, how to get the rockets to them, they automatically disappear, this opens up the possibility of strengthening the ukrainian populism. the number of funds in the conditions of the us blocking aid to ukraine, this is a very difficult issue, maybe in europe they will be able

to collect really one, maybe two batteries, this is in the short term, in the future , of course, they can say that now one, now two the day after tomorrow, but then we still don't go there yet, but this can be, of course, with such an aim on the 26th-28th year. mr. leger, thank you very much for your professional comments, for your time, let me remind you that this was oleg katkov, the editor-in-chief of defense express, our information and consulting company, and if we talk about the results of this program, then indeed we have a demand for at least 25 of patriot systems, we see that this is an extremely ambitious goal, if at best we can get five systems of a similar class from our partners, it will be very, very good, we should also make bets. cooperation with european companies regarding the acquisition of european systems air defense, but still, let's not forget about cooperative projects with a number

of countries, where we have to create joint air defense systems of various purposes, which are just as urgently needed for solving various tasks, and for the protection of peaceful cities, and for the protection of the battlefield, therefore, we hope that these projects will develop and they will indeed have a concrete result. on the front line, these were the main highlights related to the search for patriots for ukraine, stay tuned to the espresso channel, there will be a lot of interesting things to come information greetings to our viewers, today i am with you in the studio. logutenko, and we will talk about mobilization. i will have very interesting speakers with me: vladyslav seleznyov, spokesman of the general

staff of the armed forces of ukraine for 2014-2017, as well as a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. and oleksandr yavchanchanka, company commander of the vovka davinci volunteer battalion. welcome guests. good. to begin with, first of all , i want to talk with you about how important and relevant mobilization is, actually, let's start with you, friend oleksandr, in particular you recently, in an interview, deutsche welle said that if ukrainians do not go to the military today en masse, later they will fight anyway, but already in the ranks of the armed forces of the russian federation, i want to... ask you to comment and explain, in your opinion, how much time in ukrainians are there to mobilize, and how many

people do you think are currently needed at the front? i believe that it is worth starting from the numbers, we understand that they plan to demobilize around 200 3000, so we should understand... that we need a comparable figure, oppose them at the front. this is actually the answer to your second question. the answer to your first question, well, it is also obvious, they do exactly that, they seize the territory, demobilize everyone there and throw them into the same meat assaults. therefore, common sense should now tell us that it is better to fight in our own army. than later to fight in the army of the occupier. gentlemen, i now have a question for you regarding the content, in fact, of the bill on mobilization that

was passed. by the verkhovna rada as a whole on april 11. the first, most important question is this draft law, this is the issue of the lack of information in it about the demobilization of military personnel who are currently serving. mr. vladyslav, what do you think about this? it is not a very good situation, because in fact there should be certainty, including in matters of demobilization, besides, we must remember that... between 2014 and 2017, ukraine has already gone through six waves of mobilization, and then as part of the mobilization processes , the processes of demobilization also took place, each of the citizens of ukraine who was called up for mobilization and not was ready to enter into a contract on a professional basis for serving in the ranks of the armed forces, he was released, either after 12 or after 15 months, but there was an understanding of how much time our

fellow citizens are called up to join the ranks of the ukrainian army. of course, the whirlwind of a full-scale war can make certain adjustments, but nevertheless, there must be certainty. now the official spokesmen of the ministry of defense assure us that this process will be organized within the next eight months, but it seems to me that this is too distant a prospect. clear an understanding of how long our soldiers who have gone bald have to go through the service, which called for the time of february, march of the 22nd year, in order to stand up for the defense of our countries. this is an urgent issue, and it does not mean that all of them will be immediately dismissed from the ranks of the armed forces, for some, combat work is close to their hearts and they do not seek to return to civilian life, but again, in order for us to be as much as possible responsible, in plans for demobilization processes, the mobilization campaign should work just as effectively, which will call upon the fate of the ukrainian army, motivated, further trained, well-equipped and trained

servicemen. comrade oleksandr, i wanted to ask you how the soldiers at the front took the news that the bill on mobilization does not provide for demobilization, literally yesterday on the evening broadcast, we talked about it with one of the soldiers, lvivians, and he said how on me,... what i personally think, well, my position as well, whether everyone thinks so, what part thinks, i can't know, but i'll give you my take on it : war is all about unpredictability, and guaranteeing people something you can't predict, uh, is a bit, you know,

adventurous, to say the least, and what have you ... said this fighter about the fact that, well, three years have passed, and uh, i will go home only when there is a clear opportunity, he will understand that someone else has taken his place, or even better two , until he has such confidence, of course he will not go there, but i suppose that not everyone is what he thinks with of this issue, and therefore the state... is simply forced to at least understand how the mobilization will go, what are we talking about? in order for us to demobilize people, we need to mobilize, well, at least the same number, better more, we still cannot understand how the dynamics of mobilization will go after the adoption of the law and i hope the signature of the president, so i understand the state's actions in this regard questions and my attitude

to it, that's it. gentlemen, i actually want to talk to you about the content of this law, how you evaluate it for yourself, whether whether it will change the situation with mobilization, whether this law will be beneficial, or whether some individual points in it will only provoke ukrainian citizens to avoid mobilization. mr. vladyslav, maybe yes, with your permission i will start, so we must understand the following, ukrainian legislation has many excellent initiatives, but whether all these initiatives were implemented in practice, as they say, is a debatable issue, and here we must understand not only that , how effective will be the one developed by us.