in principle, after these words, a month and a half have passed, these statements have not received any development, yes, but many analysts believe that such a development of events is still possible in the future, if this peace treaty, which you are talking about in the volume, is not signed yesterday, they talked about how possible a new war between azerbaijan and armenia is, and what both countries need to do in order to avoid it, whether to make some concessions, whether it is possible to involve international partners in order to settle even those are the issues that are still different are issues of disagreement, disagreements between both countries? well, the war is still going on between azerbaijan and armenia, it's about the cold war, we... can see it from the way

border forces are shelled from time to time, as a result of which civilians die, but before that we also saw certain raids of azerbaijani units to the territory of armenia, when those villages that azerbaijan considers its own were captured. so, the war continues, only its scale is different, but in fact there is such a tension, it exists, and this once again confirms that it is necessary to find as soon as possible solutions, political solutions to end this confrontation, because in principle ee, and i am referring here to the period of our initial ukrainian diplomacy, when we wrote. created such an organization in the 1960s, were

involved in its creation as a goan, because it was about including azerbaijan, armenia, and other post-soviet countries, which believe that, which see their future in european integration, into the composition of this political organization unfortunately, for certain reasons, it is said about the fact that there was no... the necessary support from the west for the existence and activity, the proper activity of this organization, it did not give the desired result, but the desire was such and such, i am sure that just like armenia, which declared its european future, i think that there are such visions somewhere in a significant part of the azerbaijani society. another thing is that, let's say, the

format in which azerbaijan's statehood has now found itself, it involves a slightly different diplomacy, of a different kind, i would say, that's why sooner or later, it's obvious to us, and about that it is necessary to talk, and this was discussed, obviously at... the meeting in brussels, it is about the joint integration of both azerbaijan and armenia at first, and then it is possible that azerbaijan will try to find itself in this union, so this step and and the confirmation that in principle azerbaijan too, as we know, he went to the european parliament, there were representatives of it. there it is,

but for certain reasons, a certain démarche, they left here like mine, but we will look at it as a temporary phenomenon and express hope that we are together, but this certainly, after the victory of ukraine, after we can liberate our country from the russian aggressor, by the way, the russian aggression found a response. and in the discussion of this brussels meeting, because those armenian figures, politicians who, when, how, who criticized pashinyan, they reproached him, why are you turning to europe, don't you see how europe behaved with ukraine, it provoked, so to speak, ukraine is in a bind for such a pro-european course, and suddenly...

the moment when decisive support is needed of ukraine, it does not provide this support. thank you, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr boshko, former ambassador. of ukraine in the republic of armenia , we were in touch, we thank you for participating in this broadcast and we are interrupted for a few minutes, after which we will continue our dialogue, there are no potatoes, you bring them, already, and you smear the wine with the comfrey of dr. tys and get up again before work, comfrey ointment, german ointment for joint and muscle pain, oops, natural comfrey ointment from the doctor... there are discounts on dolgit cream and dolgit gel up to 30% in in the pharmacies of plantain, bam and saver, lakalut fix reliably fixes, my dentist advised me, it reduces inflammation of the gums, and the price is good, economical lakaku fix, there are discounts on urulessan

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again, probably with the united states of america, because a lot depends on their help, and in fact, we have heard various statements during this week. heard statements from trump, heard statements from mike johnson, from the republicans, from the democrats, and they are all connected, it is clear that with the help of our state, with the help of ukraine, that is, with the absence, yes, you are absolutely right, and in fact, the first , trump announced a kind of condition under which republicans support aid to ukraine, in principle, this was already announced by the speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson. he says that his own people will, conditionally speaking, support it, and the same johnson will support aid to ukraine if it is given on credit, right? on the other hand, we now actually see a publication, for example, the

spectator, it writes that the biden administration is allegedly scared of nuclear escalation much more than at the beginning of the war, and it is actually possible to testify to this. the same statements about what ukraine does not have shelling russian oil refineries and so on and the like. what does all this indicate? statements. trump, the provision or non-provision of aid, the fears of the biden administration or certain representatives of the biden administration that ukraine is hitting russian oil refineries, how to put it all together, as they say, whether this aid will finally come and whether ukraine will finally be able in full, after all, to get, well, approval so that we can... fight russia not by 10, 20, 30, 40%, by 100%, so

that we can, at least, as they say, keep the front and and could at least move forward somehow, well, regarding the statements of donald trump, it is very difficult for me to understand why people have such a short memory, maybe there is a lot of news now, but it is surprising that such a short memory. not only among people who consume news there, but also among journalists and analysts, you can open google and see: on february 15 , trump wants the united states to help ukraine with a loan. on march 5, trump offers to provide credit assistance to ukraine. 5 days ago , zelensky reacted to trump's proposal to provide credit assistance to ukraine. and here suddenly there is sensational news: trump wants to help ukraine with a loan. there is absolutely in this statement of trump. another sensational thing, which is not at all related to all his statements about

lending to ukraine, he says that he wants financial aid to ukraine from europe to be equaled by the help of the united states, because it is a european matter, and he does not understand why europeans pay less, when it concerns them more, and there is a certain trap in this, because they can, and this, by the way, the question is not only the current one, the question, let's say, of their policy, if trump wins the... presidential election, they can demand from the europeans that they have increased their spending on helping ukraine, otherwise they will not help ukraine, this is a new round of the game . regarding the fact that trump told mike johnson that he is ready to help ukraine in case of lending, this is absolutely not a new position, which means that more is needed from this position. come out somehow, first of all, there is no indication that mike johnson

can be sure that he will not be threatened with resignation if he puts the issue of ukraine to the vote, because the position of merizel taylor green, who promised to put this issue to the vote, has not changed since his meeting with trump, and everyone remembers well, and mike johnson probably remembers better than anyone that trump endorsed kevin makar. before his resignation as speaker of the house of representatives, which did not change anything. the question arises again: what is the point of publicly supporting trump, anyone, when this does not change the position of his supporters in the house of representatives. maybe there is some code? maybe trump should say something else to make them understand that they should act differently? i do not know this, it is to some extent a religious sect with its own attributes that are beyond our control and beyond our reach. but if... seriously speaking, there are several options for the development of events. the number one option is

that johnson will still put the bill, which has already been approved by the senate, to a vote. the problem is that the more he pulls with it, the less likely it is it will have votes in the house of representatives, because just a few weeks ago, when this bill was being passed by the senate, we were saying, the whole problem is johnson. because if he puts this project to a vote, he will definitely get support. now the situation is not so rosy, and not only for us. the problem is that a part of the republicans, who could previously vote absolutely calmly for aid to ukraine. it may not do so now, because the issue is becoming toxic for their voters, especially where they listen very seriously to trump and listen to the credit and listen to his words, which we should not do to anyone. gifts, some of the democrats who quite obviously voted for this decision now do not want

to help israel, and this is a joint bill, let me remind you, it means that the united states helps ukraine, israel and taiwan, and democrats may think that this issue toxic for their constituents who want israel to stop military actions in the gas sector completely, and if the israeli-iranian conflict starts now, we do not know at all what the consequences will be from internal from the american political point of view, this will lead, so this is a problem, problem number one, problem number two, johnson is ready to make a decision that... will have this loan in mind, it is probably relative, but this decision must be developed and agreed on bipartisan equal, the republicans themselves do not have a majority for this, because it is obvious that this radical part of them will not vote for it, because it is generally against any aid to ukraine, here is mere taylor

green, what are you talking about, who says that the ukrainians priests are killed. she definitely won't vote for it, and all the people close to trump, so that he doesn't talk about lending there, they won't vote for it, so it takes democrat votes, in order to have democrat votes, again, what should it look like this package, should it include the help of israel, well, obviously yes, without the help of israel , the republicans do not need this project, they will probably find a certain part of the votes of the democrats, that is enough, but here is another question, and what else will be there if the republicans want to go there write down how they tend to do it, some of the issues that have to do with, say, liquefied gas, with his terminal in his home state, michael johnson, mike johnson. i'm not sure it will pass the house of representatives. then i don't really understand, it's necessary to sit down and calculate how long such a procedure can take. let's

imagine that the draft law needs to be developed next week, the deputies of the house of representatives are already starting. they can start some voting procedures for him, but why, but why, that's all they say that this will be the most difficult moment in johnson's political career, ukraine itself, because he risks resignation, so even if he risks, even if this bill is approved, and there are enough votes of republicans and democrats, he still has to go in the senate, and there will be a new problem. because again, to what extent the republicans and democrats in the senate will agree among themselves, how much will the administration be interested in this bill, if it will have some things that will one way or another harm pre-election interests biden, how in principle can we

hope that it will be approved quickly. now the next question. so that you and i understand clearly what we are talking about, when we hear all this talk about loans and start taking it at face value, how much money does the administration want to allocate to ukraine, if i am not mistaken, at the moment it is 60 billion dollars, but there we are talking about, if we are talking about a loan, then there is also not the whole amount, not the whole amount, that is, there is a part. for the needs of the military-industrial complex of the united states, so these 60 billion are by the way also an interesting thing, when we say that we will get this money and that's it, we will breathe a sigh of relief, without it we will not survive, it is 12 billion dollars that we will receive if this bill is passed, immediately and in service, all other

weapons are needed still work out, so the question arises, what is donald trump so worried about? he himself has 12 billion dollars, i am very sorry, trump is a man, maybe he is gone now, but in principle this is a lifting amount for donald trump himself, he could give us his own 12 billion dollars and calm down, we all the time we discuss loan rates for the amount of 12 billion dollars for a country whose military budget is hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of mi, hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds, two. we receive assistance from the european union for 10 billion dollars per year out of these 50, it looks so childish, i will honestly tell you that i don't even know how to comment on it, of course, when there is a loan of 60 billion dollars, we give 60 billion dollars, that's the kind of money, they have to

give it to us, they don't give it, it's two, they give 12, 48 is working places. united states, it's money for the united states, it's, it's, it's a reallocation of the united states budget, and i'm so, frankly, surprised by it, and we're seriously discussing it, so what they're doing, they 're taking time, so imagine that they gave us these 60 billion dollars, and 12 billion of them would not be burdened with credit, what would happen? and everyone says that ukraine will never be able to give back this money, why can't we give back 12 billion dollars, what kind of fictions are these, well, that's all. if this were not the case, i would say it is critical for us, when every penny is on the account, it was possible to simply refuse it, to be honest , not to raise a voice. to yourself, because when you name the whole amount, of course your eyes open wide when you realize that we are now, and it is about survival now, all this

money in the long run, it is very good, but there will always be a question for which country, for existed, controlled the borders so that half of the territory was not occupied as a result of delaying all these things, and that's all, frankly, it's cynical, mr. vitaly, you said such and such phrase or sentence in... what they are taking time for, is it within the framework of trump's election campaign, or those people who, as of today , maximally in ukraine oppose aid to ukraine, or are they, so to speak, working out subpoena after subpoena. yes, if you look at the world, donald trump is absolutely sure that the country can still win the war in russia, he, he, that the whole problem is that

joe cannot come to an agreement with vladimir, biden is generally a bad politician and does not know how to negotiate with anyone, though we remember, joseph biden tried to reach vladimir putin several times in a row before the war, had telephone conversations with him, remember? called, trump would have done better, but this, i assure you that trump is sure that he will do better, uh trump, everything in life works out better than, this is trump, this is trump, now you can go vote and to the headquarters, you understand, it's about trump, but then why spend money, one, then why create escalation, two, then why should ukraine liberate territories three, when it will still keep only. what will be agreed upon trump and putin, well, what is it for, you know, if you are a businessman, these are all completely useless steps, but if putin wants this, this and that, he

will get it, the question is simply that in the defense of this territory or on it, relatively speaking, they are released, some more russians will die, and for what, and die, let it be spent, or some amount of american money, everything is very simple, in november trump wins, here i am... his headquarters immediately starts any negotiations with the kremlin at the moment when trump is president include security between the states and russia, and ukraine is simply informed, such and such a status, it must do this, this and that, and there will be peace, no one even asks what the southern someone asked when kissenger was negotiating with leddecho. no one will forget, just let us know, but this is between washington and trump, trump has such an idea of ​​politics, the 50s of the 20th century, serious

guys, they make an agreement, and there are some small countries there, just understand it, but give money, if it is unnecessary illusions, ukraine. will start to resist, scream, you know how, how, as an adult who does not want to hear this childish outburst, no ho, and they simply consider it unnecessary, at the same time, they do not want to look like people, of public opinion, they see that the majority is in favor of helping ukraine, well, in this case, they just show that we also want, we also want to dopo, we don't want to linger on... money, that's all, explain, the discussion of the amount of 12 billion dollars, it's not, it's indecent for a big

country, it's a small country, if you, what do you want gives 12 billion, and for which this is a serious budget amount, and it tears the heart from own taxes serious money that could be used to build. true, maybe, i would say, there are some infrastructural objects there, she says: you know, we want to get interest from this, we want to get this money back when you can, well, when the united states says it, we understand that everything this is a theater, did i explain to you the reasons for this theater? well, trump thinks so, but it's one thing, trump thinks, trump thinks, and another thing, whether it will still be the way he thinks, because his idea of ​​the world. and real the world is we understand a little bit different things, i can answer this question by and large, the problem is that...

trump may see the world differently, but the year 2025 , one way or another, may be related to the problems of putin himself . we understand that putin does not have a bottomless barrel of resources, he may believe that at some point he has an advantage. stop at least the war. always a question of when? again, logically, logically. we talked about this back in 2022, if you remember, andrei putin will drag this war to the presidential election in the united states. at least, it seemed to many that it was a bit too long, how to make it all the way to the presidential elections, well, please, april 2024. we already

understand for sure that he will make it, right? so, after the presidential elections in the united states, putin may in principle consider it necessary to talk with their winner, not so much about the war in ukraine, because this is one of the points of the situation, but about how to coexist. i just don't think he will agree on the terms that will please donald trump. but the fact that there will be an opportunity for, let's say, more serious... russian-american consultations, and not those, relatively speaking, closed or episodic ones that we learn about from time to time, it's true, here trump is right, it's just a matter of who will be the winner of the election, but the fact that the person who wins in 2024 will most likely talk about something with the president of russia is also true,

it is true, and that is. that is, even if biden becomes president, secondly, such are the chances he absolutely has, we can now see the latest polls, and i also published them on my resources, where, where it is said that biden now has even more, but at least there in the last few weeks we see that in he is growing, so the rating, their chances, my assessment, i think many other analysts 50 to 50 now, in any case, to say that trump is the winner. that's how we approach it, biden stands for a second time, is re-elected for a second term, what in this case does putin do or does biden do, or do they happen again after all, the same negotiations that we talked about under trump are conditional yes, that is , the russian position, it will be adjusted when biden is elected or re-elected. parallel to

the position they have in electing trump. i think they have a position on getting trump elected that is not as great for trump as trump might think. they just might have a position, and it's a little bit, and you also have to understand that. the position is yes, they can now work out certain positions of their own. during these negotiations. you see that they want to talk with the united states states. but i will tell you more, i admit that such consultations can take place even before the presidential elections in the united states. washington may also be interested in some suspension of the conflict before the presidential elections. ugh. in order not to create the illusion that only trump can negotiate with moscow. it can also be certain calculations. i'm just not sure that putin

will go to any talks before... the presidential elections, but this is, as always, the price of the question and the level of putin's understanding of the institutional problems of his own country. we never we know, because we do not live in putin's head, how adequately he perceives the economic reality, let's say, that exists in the third year of the great war. and here we will really go into... you led me to the idea that putin, relatively speaking, now in these months, the year 2024, in general, can make a so-called leap, in principle he is already making it, we are now seeing a leap in ukrainian energy industry, we now see essentially different insiders about what budanov, we already talked about with the guests, and...