that the united states could sell to the europeans, let's say 5-10 batteries out of its 60 patriot batteries, but it is indicative that this is a very brave performance by the japanese, who are now, well , very strongly, so to speak, putting pressure on ukraine, yes , i understand that theirs are there, how many of them are 24 petrio batteries, they are unlikely to share theirs because, first of all, the danger is very po... from china, which has now increased many times, but to influence partners, but now in the world there is such a regrouping of forces , and indeed which side will regroup faster, that side will have advantages, and actually speaking, all strategic things will probably be decided by september 24th, maybe by october, and... this requires very dynamic

changes in decision-making and in their implementation, that is, the delivery of these systems that we are talking about now, therefore, the conclusion is to divide not only patriot, but other systems, and secondly to persuade, to transfer not only what is there somewhere in warehouses, conditionally, storages, but to transfer what is currently in the troops in them worth sharing, and then there is one more proposal for discussion, when russia struck gas storage facilities, daggers, other systems, then this gave rise to such an idea, perhaps in some way to integrate the interaction of our air defense system and the defense system of poland, perhaps this could be another such step in order for the air defense shield over our country to be more more powerful, what do you think about such... initiatives, solutions,

proposals, the idea is certainly interesting, but i do not believe that nato will agree to such a move, because in fact, if it is a question of using polish patriot systems, directly from the territory of poland, then this will create a situation where in russia they will call what general mili warned about. the former former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee, who is still listened to very strongly, he said, first of all , to prevent a kinetic collision of her nato systems and her russian ones, here exactly this will be, so to speak, a violation of this this this situation, and where as a matter of fact, poland will be considered to have entered the war, eh, for sure... it would be

much better if they were quickly transferred well, a certain number of patriot systems on the territory of ukraine, and then it would allow to avoid exactly such a threat to nato, although i say this from the position of the general panorama of the war, of course it would be much better for ukraine. solution, if it was the polish systems that started to be shot down, and even then we would feel more protected, and actually, we would feel that nato, well, actually supports us not only with weapons, but also with very specific actions, then intelligence data would be added , the protection of the ukrainian sky would be added. of course, this step would be revolutionary, but for now i don't really believe in him, as

far as strikes on our underground gas storages and power plants are concerned, and as far as our strikes on russian refineries, on systems that process oil are concerned, in fact, the situation is now looks like a certain initial stage. and the result will depend on who holds this scaling. i want to say that even at the beginning of april, well, western analysts drew attention to the fact that russia began to strike more precisely, and uses, no, no, keeps, yes, uses for such purposes very expensive, high-precision ballistic missiles and...

at the same time it aims at weakly defended areas where it did not aim before, in fact ukraine does the same, chooses such fan-shaped... attacks are highly accurate, well, there are a lot of targets for ukraine, there are already drones , which fly at 15 kilometers, and ukraine is also doing it, but the question now is scaling, who will have time to scale these attacks and, let's say, exhaustion, exhaustion of the enemy, because there are quite... well-founded positions that russia so itself acts on the border, and the task that is now the kremlin is betting, it concerns today, literally today, and calculations, definitely on the swiss, on the swiss dialogue, on the fact

that a serious conversation about freezing the war will begin in switzerland and high hopes that... participation in this very in this part of china can lead to positional gains for the kremlin, this is definitely a danger for us, and therefore this political part of the war, it is extremely related to what is happening on the battlefield, and therefore the fact that ukraine is accelerating with scaling high-tech means of destruction. and intelligence, this certainly gives a certain impetus and certain hopes that at some stage ukraine, the defense forces will be able, even without the powerful participation of the western coalition,

to hold the front and to some extent destroy the russian defense potential, but our exhaustion remains a really big problem. infrastructure, because we know that only the strikes from march 22 to today, they caused more damage to ukraine than the whole winter before that, yes, until march 22, mr. valentin, thank you very much for your explanation, for those accents that relate to the directions of changes in our air defense system, thank you very much for your important comments, let me remind you that it was valentyn badrak, director of the army research center. versions and disarmament, a military analyst and writer, then we will talk about where ukraine can find these patriot air defense systems, we know about the initiative of britain and germany to find such air defense systems for ukraine, we will talk about this in the second part of our program

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1:10 p.m., with a repeat on sunday at 10:10 a.m., studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. we continue our "war and weapons" program. and we are talking about the fact that ukraine needs to strengthen air defense systems, and a number of countries, in particular germany and great britain, have volunteered to help with the search for patriot air defense systems, and before that, the president of ukraine and the minister of foreign affairs talked about a certain number of air defense systems, which is at least necessary in order to to cover our cities from russian attacks. and now to us joins military expert, editor-in-chief of the information and consulting company defense express, oleg katkov. mr. oleg, i welcome you to the kanalus broadcast. good afternoon, thank you for the invitation. i'll start with the president's statement a few days ago, where it was said that ukraine needs

at least 25 patriot systems, then the minister of foreign affairs talked about at least seven patriot air defense systems. please explain to our viewers how many we currently have and this 7 and 25 are significant amounts compared to what others have countries in europe that possess these weapons. regarding the number of patriots in ukraine, we can rely on exclusively public information that has been repeatedly announced, it is about the fact that ukraine received one patriot from the united states, one more from germany, germany and the netherlands also collected two, and from that we are already talking about three, but also the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy , said a few months ago that ukraine received two more air defense systems, which... can shoot down everything that was not intended, but the point is that when it comes to

it is about an anti-aircraft complex that can shoot down everything, this means that it can effectively counter both directly ballistic missiles and aerodynamic targets, such as airplanes, only two complexes fall into this category from the available and from the available, this is the patriot itself , because it works effectively both against such things as iskander and against aircraft, which has been proven many times by the so-called blocking patriot and... samps, but regarding samps, the fact is that during all this time, after quite long talks, italy with france was able, these two big countries were only able to single out one complex, and therefore, and it was quite public, so it is unlikely that they would do it again, let alone two at once, and it would certainly not be a secret, given the position and publicity rome and paris in this matter, so most likely ukraine still has a little more than three peet batteries. and but the question of what patriots themselves are, these are very, very important questions, because

objectively, there are now two types of people in nato countries, including and in the world in general patriot: patriot pack 2, which uses only jamming missiles, which effectively combats precisely aircraft, high-altitude aerodynamic targets at ranges of 160 km, and there is a third pack, which has anti-missile capabilities and allows to shoot down ballistic missiles such as iskander. to beat up kenzhals and even circus, that is, this is the third pact, and it can also, of course, work with anti -aircraft missiles, so for now we can only say approximately that ukraine has three dashes five, probably the patriot system, not all of them can be pactretia , exactly 100% known about three, regarding the number of patriots in, for example, nato countries, then recently joseph borel at the summit of the europe forum, he... directly said that the western armies, that is, the western world, is nato, it is the usa, plus its european segment

of nato, then the language it is about the fact that in general there are about 100 batteries, batteries, let me remind you, this is actually an anti-aircraft missile complex, because batteries are such an organizational staff structure, but if you take exactly how many batteries of patriots, then there is only one , which is composed, usually it is one irls, one command post, six eight launchers, again this is such a configuration... quite vague, we are talking about a modern digital anti-aircraft missile complex, so the number of launchers can be changed, as well as usually on the smaller side, some countries cannot afford such the number of launchers in one patriot battery, there, for example, sweden, it orders only a limited number of launchers, a third or four, and japan is also far from a poor country, it has five launchers per battery, but if we talk about nato countries, we speak about 100 batteries, if to be more precise according to the available information, then we are talking about 95, of which 60 are directly

in the usa, and 35 to 35 are what are in europe, and these 35, they are quite conditional, because it is more likely to talk about more than 30, because now some countries are in the process of receiving additional patriot systems, for example, such as sweden, such as romania, poland, and so on... that is , let's say this, she has a plan to increase the number of fronts of the mind, we already have two, two batteries reinforced composition, and they plan to order 12 more, and it is so, so it must also be understood that even receiving the first systems, for example, as sweden did, this does not mean that they immediately went on combat duty, until this time it must be added usually a year, one and a half or two, these are the standard terms until the full combat capability of the system arrives, when after we receive it, so it’s like... when we talk about seven or 25 additional batteries for ukraine, how realistic are these indicators from

the point of view view of what other countries have, or we can hope that someone will share such a number, let's hope, because there is a quite logical position here, which is broadcast by the ukrainian government, there are patriots in countries, for example, in germany, at least he can still find... it is still possible that a certain amount is in it there are so-called in warehouses, maybe in a rather dead state, because they took them out of service during, starting... from the 2000s, that is, they sold them off, maybe took them out, that is, their fate is unknown, but they had, well we can talk about the fact that about 10 she still has, so when there are only 10 patriots at night, and we hope that she will give seven more pieces there, no, we don't talk about it, because of course, i just immediately understood that if the entire western

world of patriots, then 1/4 part, if we talk about 25, well, already him... says that it cannot be easy, as well as the fact that if europe is in conditions where the usa is not at all, well, for now there are no signs that this is objectively a blockade of aid to ukraine, i don't know what to call it, because it goes beyond any limits, any discussion at all, when the usa does not allocate aid for ukraine and thereby shoots itself in the foot by the fact that now everyone in poland, in europe, and even in japan is already saying in a speech in congress that the us should return to the role of security guarantor, because how can you not add help when you promised to do it, so we exclude 60 batteries from the american ones in this situation, and then even seven batteries from the 35 there let the european ones are also quite a significant mark, so therefore, of course,

we are not talking about the fact that someone has it somewhere the whole basement of the seven dead, which is filled with patriots, you only have to remember... where to open the keys from it and get the anti-aircraft missile complexes from there, it is difficult, therefore immediately, when even germany, after all, is the leader of the coalition directly, which adds should get air defense to ukraine, she immediately said that it will not be easy, it will be some rather difficult ways with the search for some combinations, well again berlin has experience when they together with the netherlands assembled one battery of patriots, the netherlands handed over, by the way, two launchers, they gave another one... and then there may be a situation where we have to take it somewhere, someone will give one launcher, someone will give a communication car, for example, one too, somewhere someone will hand over a radar station, for example, it will be restored somehow, someone is there, because this particular radar station is the main core of the complex, without it, it is, well, let’s say this, it is

a separate conversation, but we believe that it cannot work without it, and... and that’s all it is additionally, actually, besides directly the question of where to get the patriot batteries themselves, well, here and there, by the way, it should be noted that germany is also constantly testing something there, firing missiles into the sea and demonstrating what they will do with the soul and everything else. the middle east is a very difficult region from the point of view of arms trade and diplomacy in general, but there are indeed patriots there, in particular. only in saudi arabia it can be up to 25, why up to 25, because we are talking about countries that are much more closed in the public sphere than, for example, european countries or the usa, and therefore it is possible to talk only about a certain - well, gap, how many there can be, it's 18 or 25 patriots, well , about this gap, saudi arabia

is really quite a possible potential donor, because it is quite oriented directly. on european, american weapons, and, well, let's say so, there are chances in my opinion, but of course, it will not be berlin that will conduct the negotiations, because berlin has been blocking the sale of eurofighter fighters to saudi arabia since 18, so there is more involvement here than london , which was also announced by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, koleba, london will also be looking for the patriots can be much more positive because the arms trade balance with... in saudi arabia and the uk averages 10 billion over the last 10 years and pounds, dollars. mr. oleg, we are now talking about the country and the complexes , but for some reason we forget that first of all , missiles for these systems should be in the first place, what about the production of means of impression under the patriot, what are the needs, what are the opportunities of

the manufacturers to satisfy the demand of ukraine as well, and other countries that use these weapons? here it is much more difficult. that is, it is clear that, well, it is already clear that they are not lying around with the patriots, and the problem with missiles also exists. regarding the production of new missiles, because of course there are reserves, we still hope that ukraine will still receive missiles from the reserve, and not wait until they are manufactured, because otherwise everything becomes quite critical, and perhaps just explains the fact that the search for patriots... and in the number of missiles themselves, which will need to be transferred, that is, even if you get 25 batteries of patriots, missiles to they may simply not be in such quantities, what is the problem, and in relation to production. missiles, there are jmt missiles, which are designed to destroy aerodynamic targets, they are manufactured by rayton, and the officially announced rate of their production is 20

missiles per month, 240 per year on all the patriots in the world, which are, for understanding, if you even just charge these, well take all the american patriots and load them with these missiles then... uh that means rayton has to work for about 7-8 years just to provide one of the total zap of these of american petrivets, at the current rate, of course, it is expanding, here the important aspect is that they are expanding the production of missiles, now in europe the production of gmt missiles is starting, it will be in germany, a joint venture with rate + mdba, camblock, but the first missiles should leave the factory through two years, and in 2027, the pace... in 2026-27, the pace of production of gm+ missiles should be 35 missiles per month in relation to anti-missile missiles, or rather mce anti-missile missiles,

that is, which are intended for patriots, and should shoot down already ballistic targets, such as the same ones iskanders, work against daggers effectively, all the rest, the official announcement and well, this is absolutely public information, it became the subject of congressional hearings there... even the budget was knocked out, the fact is that loket martin currently produces 500 mci anti-missiles, for all everything, well, there is still in japan, but again it is not known, because japan did not announce any data, relative to the american 500 units per year, with a plan to expand their production to 750 per year by the 27th year, but for this requires money from the pentagon, from the pentagon, the pentagon needs... money from the us congress, that is, everything is difficult, but the plans for 750 by 2027 are quite realistic in any case, because

again there are more and more patriots in the world, this is the main system that will definitely be on weapons for another decade, and even taking into account the fact that work is now underway to integrate these missiles, mc on the american missile and other systems with well ship systems ags. mr. oleg, right now we are talking about the patriots, about the rockets to the patriots, and in front of you, i am talking to alantin badryuk, he spoke about the fact that it is necessary to look around and look for countries that can also have air defense systems, in particular turkey, south korea, in order to receive support in such systems of similar power, conditionally speaking, what do you think about this do you think it makes sense to expand the fleet of our systems? air defense, everything rests on the possibility, in particular, so in turkey, let's say, there are air defense projects, three

national projects under the common name haysar, and their essence is to to create their own ppo, this is against the background of the fact that turkey paid off s400, received sanctions, the patriot already did not accommodate them with a price tag there, it is quite possible to understand something, after all, a billion dollars and... it is quite expensive, so they went the way of investing maximum funds in creation of their own, there is a really long-range missile complex, khaysar u, at the same time, it is still only, let’s say, at the stage of completing tests and starting mass production, that is, it is not about the fact that it is possible to get them in ready form and in the right amount right now , this actually. indeed, if you order, you have to wait for years. with regard to south korea, the whole problem with this country is that, again

, in the case of anti-missile defense , it relies on american complexes, relies on patriots, relies on american deployment complexes and, in the end, does not produce similar complexes with anti-missile defense capabilities. a country that really has opportunities. creation and sale of anti-missile defense systems, which also does not export weapons to ukraine, like south korea, is israel. this is the krasche complex david the most interesting, it is already approved for export, its first customer was directly, finland, and it has a significantly lower cost than the patriot, and its rocket costs according to official data, they were announced in the pentagon, 20% of the cost of the mci, i.e. then approximately 400-500 dollars against three, and this missile should be integrated into the next iteration of the patriot pak4, which is currently being developed, but

here... it is very important, after all, regarding these slings of david and this missile, to understand that israel still holds such a complex political such a position regarding the transfer to ukraine and the sale or at least the re-export of weapons to ukraine, and he blocks it. mr. olezh, literally just one minute, how would you predict the search for the patriot system for ukraine in the short or medium term, what can ukraine optimally count on... according to your estimates, unfortunately, again the situation depends primarily on the usa, if the usa still adopts its general aid budget for ukraine, then the question is to take the patriot, get the missiles to them, they automatically disappear, this opens up the possibility of increasing the necessary amount of ukrainian funds, in the conditions of the us blocking aid to ukraine, this is...

a very difficult issue, maybe in europe they will be able to collect really one, maybe two batteries, this is in the short term, in the future, of course, they can say that well , now one, now the day after tomorrow two, and then we will find more there and there, but this can be later, of course, with such an aim for the 26th-28th year, mr. leger, thank you very much for your professional comments, for your time, let me remind you what it is was oleh katkov, editor-in-chief of... defense express, our information and consulting company, and if we talk about the results of this program, then we really have a demand for at least 25 patriot systems, we see that this is an extremely ambitious goal, if at all if we can get five systems of a similar class from our partners, it will be very, very good, we should also make an effort to cooperate with european companies regarding the acquisition of european air

defense systems, and still, do not forget about... cooperative projects with a number of countries where we we have to create joint air defense systems of various purposes, which are just as urgently needed for solving various tasks, and for the protection of peaceful cities, and for the protection of the battlefield. so, we hope that these projects will develop and they will really have a concrete result on the front line. these were the main points related to the search for peta. for ukraine, stay on the espresso channel, there will be a lot of interesting information. watch this week in the judicial control program with tatyana shustrova. judges in the service of the kremlin. who found an approach to ukrainian themis? oleksandr babakov. this is putin's confidant. but what violations did the board of the northern appellate economic court commit, handing over the poltava gzk

to the russians. the decision is made absolutely with a corruption component. greetings, you are watching court control, i am tatyana shustrova. the judicial reform in ukraine is ongoing, soon, a qualification assessment of all themis servants should be conducted for compliance with the criteria of integrity and professional ethics. obviously, not everyone will pass it, and not yet happened, the judges continue to surprise us, not only by the cloud fortunes, but also. in the extreme with absurd decisions, others flee to resign, until the qualification committee has recognized them as unfit and dismissed them in disgrace. today we will tell you about those who stood out, and first the news. the supreme council of justice dismissed the judge of the kuznytsovsky city court valery malkov, who was prosecuted for drunken driving. for the first time, malkov was caught drunk driving in august 2019.

then he is driving a foreign car in varasha collided with a vase, while malkov had clear signs of alcohol intoxication, but refused.