valery chally, in touch again. mr. ambassador, once again, good evening, we had some problems with communication, i didn't hear everything, but i heard that the declaration about the patriot, as far as it will be implemented, look, now the first position that is needed, we need to decide with our partners strategy, or actions, tactics for this year, i.e., so that there are no statements, so different, which objects in ukraine can be hit there, which... can't be hit, that is, if we have systems, which allow to implement, for example, attacks on television positions, on uh, on various, well , composition and on other, then this question is not so acute, but what prime minister verkhovstat, former prime minister of belgium, said and it was supported in the european parliament, precisely the patriot systems, this is the answer to our ukrainian request, that is, which was heard from diplomatic platforms, president

zelensky spoke, you quoted minister koleba, that is, there is a reaction to this, but the problem here is that, unfortunately, the european parliament does not determine this very decision , because it is determined precisely, well, by the executive structures, and especially it is important that the european union itself does not have petreon systems, they are in a specific country, that is, it is a kind of influence, but when it will work, one more moment, i will be frank with you, i... i remember cases when this funding of the solution stopped and in previous years, and it was not connected there with the petrio systems, yes, i looked at the documents, i did not find a document that connects the funding with the provision of the system, these are the statements of only a few of our good friends, well-known politicians of the european parliament, so i would like to make it work, and by the way, the same situation now in the united states is very similar to... that's

all, that's why we can hear a lot of words, calls, but we need actions and decisions now, this is just yesterday, because they made a six-month pause for putin, attack ukraine, that is it may come, it may come, it is not known when, but we need to look for solutions that will strengthen ukraine now, ukraine is being strengthened first of all, except for air defense systems, these are shells, these are missiles for those systems that are already there. in ukraine and we cannot use them, because there are not so many of them, we have to choose targets, despite our experience military, we need to repair equipment now, we need people from nato countries on our territory who would work in support of ukraine, not on the front line , but where weapons are produced, where cyber security is, where they are used weapons, including the patriot systems, we need these political decisions now very quickly... with our partners, and if

we have to do it more openly, publicly, as russia is doing, attacking us, maybe it's time to appeal very strongly to peoples of these countries and in the public space, that is , it may have worked worse before, it seems to me that now all these methods, well, they should be parallel, but mainly concentrate efforts on this and one more moment, let's think: how far is the process, where are they going most of the resources, the signing of security agreements there constantly with each country, er, there are some intentions there for many years ahead, recovery, as far as they help us survive and endure and win, i think we need to review the strategy and many things in this regard to look for priorities now in the coming months, a year, this is a critical time, somewhere before the spring of... next year and here

all efforts must be concentrated, not later somewhere for restoration, money for restoration, even i will say a controversial thing, even nuclear power station blocks, which we need to build, but this money should go right now, well , let’s move on, we understand that russia will attack the distribution systems, we need to make generation more and less vulnerable to attacks, that is , there is room to spend money, we need to concentrate as much as possible now ... such great resources on these issues, then our partners will understand that we are thinking in the same direction, and then they will immediately understand that now is the time to stand up and help ukraine, and not sometime later. well, what about intentions and whether we look in the same direction and think alike with our western partners. a few days ago, the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd austin, publicly warned kyiv against attacks on... the oil refining sector in russia on

oil refineries and said that ukraine should focus on attacks on for military purposes, he said at the committee meeting. nato of the united states of america on matters of the armed forces, let's listen to a little sync. of course, these attacks could have consequences for the global energy situation. i think it is better for ukraine to focus on strikes on tactical and operational targets that can directly affect the current hostilities. mr. valery, what does this statement by lloyd austin mean, that... these are the conversations that took place on the sidelines and the unnamed sources that bloomberg and other western publications always referred to, what, what in fact, the united states of america has not previously publicly called on kyiv not to hit the oil refineries, and if kyiv does not

destroy the oil refineries and the fuel will flow, the fuel will flow to the planes, to the tanks, that means that er... the window of opportunity for putin will be much larger, and we will not reduce it, it turns out that the united states of america is urging us not to do this, and why are they urging us to do so? first of all, what is given in ukrainian zmi is pieces. in this case, it is the answer to the question of the minister of defense or the head of the pentagon. on the specific question of the senators, tough questions are asked there. and this is not only for us, first of all, this is a response to the critical remarks of senators who are not always inclined to help ukraine, there were other , very difficult issues, that is, including regarding the handing over of crimea, for example, the question

to the minister of defense, here they are talking about different options, and crimea can, it is possible to compromise in order to give ukraine gave crimea, he says, well, the official position corresponds that we avoid, let's say. yes, such a sharp answer, and then the senator demurs, says: well, crimea - it is possible to say whether it is ukrainian forever, and mr. osten said ukrainian, so it is not necessary to immediately tear it all out of a big two-hour conversation on many issues. selystva volender also spoke about these things, about what would not be desirable for oil refining, well, as i told you, in humanitarian law this... is generally considered a very, very delicate, delicate issue, and therefore really, in order to prove, that it is a dual purpose goal, it takes a lot there are arguments for this, but where is russia, and where is humanitarian law, so i think i took it as a message, well, the conclusion is this: first, they

have conversations with the russians, and it is difficult to dismiss it, by the way, the senator who asked whose crimea, and mr. austin said ukrainian, just in this answer. so, as for what they say, it is preferable not to strike, that is how they say it in israel, they say the same thing that it is desirable to carry it out, and russia wants to hear it from them, because they have conversations among themselves there, there's a second track or whatever track you want, you don't doubt that these talks will continue, so we have to do our part, ukraine has to do its part, that is, and we will wait for the united states to make a decision now. not by the united states, that's all, everything is very simple here, as long as you don't have missiles, like in russia, if we had a missile, atakams, or a new american one, or a taurus, a german one, which would be at a sufficient distance, we would

they used drones somewhere 1,200 km away, it's certainly our guys who are already showing that we can and yes, let's give it back. within the framework in which it is necessary, and not not to do this or that spread our efforts all over russia. and we have facilities on the territory of ukraine, only on the occupied territory. just give us these missiles, so that high-precision sniper missile weapons hit these tanks, well, the throne will not fly there 10 tanks standing together, for example, such an object, well, we understand, even civilians, that it is there well, it will fly, well, it will damage one or two cars there, well... we can see that the planes are successful there, they can do it on planes as well as on airfields, but it is still not a missile that can hit, despite the protection, despite the overlaps are large, that is, not to kill people, damage equipment, then give us missiles and then we, i understand, then we

will have more targets that will be hit just like that, so i believe that a partner should always be heard. but to understand that it is heard by various consumers of information, and the main thing in our relations with the usa is our partnership now, we have communication channels, there is a constant dialogue. at the highest, at a high level, and there these issues are actually resolved, i have not heard the official position of ukraine that we are hands and simply look at the terrorist attacks of russia against our population, i have heard the contrary statement of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, that we will adequately respond to these threats. the fact that there is no official reaction from kyiv is very good, well , it turns out that ukraine is doing its thing, and the united states of america... its thing, that is, they say the way they say and do the way they do, well no ,

we should be obvious, we have to have a daily reaction to any russian crimes, well, i have that terrible, we there is no dynamic now of the same dynamic that was characteristic of us in 2022, that is why i say that the authorities need to make certain adjustments here, because i see that in russia these adjustments have been made, and they have a very active offensive work, informational work, diplomatic work , which involves a lot of broad resources, it’s simple, well, it’s like in normal life you can stretch there, you know, a person for an hour, at this moment it is necessary to concentrate the maximum forces, the maximum number of those people who can do it and with an emphasis on external audience, not only in... those western countries or nato countries, the eu, but all the countries of the world, because they still take

information from these sources, everything is the same, and this is in english, sorry, not a cooking show for the money of a single marathon, but specifically for such foreign language purposes, or at least use the state mechanisms that exist today. i can say that there is mr. padalyak, yes, who comments, well, constantly, as, well, the speaker, but that is not enough. this is definitely not enough, especially in the fields of international cooperation, absolutely, well, there are many things where we are slacking, the same is true now the managers of the magathe, where russia has now initiated, i see a little slack in our country, because there she has not yet taken up the position of minister of couples, as i understand it, she has not yet joined this work in vienna with international organizations, and the ministry of energy, in my opinion, and the head of the delegation, mr. hlushchenko, well, diplomats there work for each of these. systems of each country, we are in the board of governors, this is how daily activities should be, how can the minister of energy

work daily sitting in kyiv, i do not understand this, well, who will explain it to me, who it can decide, well, it was decided by the delegation, and they signed the decree, that is, these are not obvious things, well, so they believe that yes, i cannot do anything here, if it is considered that it is right, well, if it is right, then it must there should be a result, so there must be diplomatic activity, well... the russians send messages every day, make statements every day, and in 3 days we have a statement on the magathe, on the advice of the leaders, on the attacks of those who were at the zaporozhye station, what they are provoking and they do, well, that is, it will simply strengthen the dynamics, strengthen the dynamics, strengthen, well, do what we did more actively in the 22nd year, and what gave results, another event that the world and ukraine is waiting for, is the global peace summit, which is to be held in switzerland on june 15-16 ,

the swiss department of foreign affairs already confirms this, it is expected that representatives from 80 to 100 countries of the world will come to this summit, but it is not yet known which countries will take part in this summit, and the swiss say that this event is aimed at create frames. that will be favorable for lasting peace in ukraine, as well as a concrete road map for russia's participation in the peace process. earlier it was announced that russia, this is the position of the ukrainian side, russia will not participate in this summit, switzerland spoke about such a possibility, and when it was announced that such a summit could be hosted by the swiss side, they talked about it, but russia is now speaking officially , which... refused to participate in the summit because switzerland refused neutrality,

a rather strange position, explanation by the russians, because no one took them there invited, they suddenly say that we, we will not go to switzerland, because they say that switzerland is no longer a neutral state, we will not do anything there, but without the participation of russia, what could be the consequences and results of this summit, that is, what should ukraine expect ? when the summit was planned, there may have been other circumstances and june was seen more realistically somewhere, well, i think that it will not bring exactly the consequences that we might have expected. that is why we need to adjust our expectations, for me, for example, it will be effective if russia is now together with china, by the way, where did lavrov go and agree that china should not participate and work with the countries of the global south so that they also do not participate, it will be important whether it will be possible to gather

a sufficient number of countries there, just to demonstrate that ... russia will not be able to prevent this, this is the first. and the important thing here is that, as far as i know, the president of the united states , joseph biden, is going to participate in this event, so that means that the level that you can expect will allow for a wider range of involvement. countries with a higher status. the fact that there, well, will not solve the issues that we want. peace formula, it is obvious that china is holding out, well , it is clear that they will not take part at the highest or high level, or will take part at all, we will see, that is, i do not expect any such huge results, but here is a platform for consolidating narratives, precisely fair, truthful about the situation, this is a good platform,

and here it is necessary, in general, i would go back to the basics, to talk about... with virtually every delegation, not only did we have 20 meetings, no, but for each delegation to receive a package of information, i.e. not only official , maybe some emotional, maybe for participation, i don’t know if this summit will allow such forms, but there must be ukrainians, people who carry this burden of war, so that these, well, politicians heard it, that's why it's just in the standard version. this is not going to happen now, we need some creative approaches, an understanding of how to convey the position, information and the position to everyone, if there are any bigger decisions, there is the support of ukraine, the countries that refrained from this or took such a position neither yours nor ours, then i will only applaud this, but for now

i see that if we think that we should throw away all resources and even so... i heard that it is necessary to drag russia there somehow, this is not the way, absolutely, that is, this is not the stage of the war where you can really do it, but i don’t want to comment, just a photo is not enough for us, and we only need it to count the number of countries that took part there, that is, it is obvious, but you have to think about everything - on another strategic issue, this is the desire... of different countries with russia, necessarily with russia, are we really already in this situation and we predict that it will not change, that without the aggressor, without the one who occupied the country it is no longer possible to solve anything, do we still have a plan for which president zelensky's peace formula, actually, what is involves not the decision of the aggressor, but his forced, forced

steps at the request of the entire world concentrated... pressure, but this will not happen at this summit, and we need to think about it very seriously, you must have seen this so-called turkish project, mr. valery draft peace agreement, but i don't know how much is it authentic and does it at all correspond to reality, the new newspaper europe has published , as it were, a draft of the contract, where there are three parties, there is turkey. there is russia, there is ukraine, and this document provides for many points, but the most important thing in this agreement is the freezing of the war along the existing front line, the obligation to hold referendums in 204, all-ukrainian referendums on the country's foreign policy course, as well as referendums between under

international control in all ukrainian territories annexed at the time of russia's war freeze and... guarantees of non-alignment the status of ukraine until 2040, the exchange of prisoners was formalized for everyone, russia does not oppose ukraine's accession to the european union. all these points, of course, they look like a delusion, because by 2040, russia can generally do the maximum to ensure that ukraine does not exist. and this year 2040 reminds me a lot, remember, the term of validity or deadline. the stay of the black sea fleet of russia was extended in 2010 in the kharkiv agreement until 2042, just in this draft agreement. which is not clear what, from which side he came there this new newspaper, or is it invented at all, but the impression is that it is the russians who are launching another

ipso, or playing with these agreements in order to say: listen, we have an agreement, we do not need this peace summit, we have our own vision, through the mediation of turkey, we can offer the following, that you say how likely is the authenticity of this agreement, and that such proposals... can in some way reach official kyiv, may i ask you, mr. serhiy, and the new newspaper of europe - this, this russian publication in exile, if i'm not mistaken, at the time when we conducted ukrainian-turkish dialogues, prepared a study on the strategic partnership of ukraine-turkey, i was there in istanbul, they tried to push this newspaper to me, i threw it in the trash. i, maybe, don't be offended by those who, even if it is turkish, i threw it in the trash, not because i don't respect journalists there, but simply, and then we are there, it seemed to me there were calls for the unity of the slavs, there

there were such complicated things that we should hold some kind of russian unity forum in almaty, because of this, because of the content of this newspaper, because of the content of this newspaper, i so i did, now, well, let's discuss everything that appears somewhere, for example, i... well, i'll say it right away, it's a joke, and it was written about the creation of greater kurdistan, that there are intermediaries, that turkey, well, they want in exchange for its membership in the european union. do you think that the official structures of turkey will comment on such a sword? and why should we comment on it? therefore, i think that it is necessary to stop at this and not think about what is not there. official position of turkey. as we know, she is not like that at all. let's talk about china then, because china is one of the possible participants of this global

peace summit, and lavrov flew there for negotiations, olaf scholz is going there, and after all , sijin pin himself is going to europe in may. china is ready to cooperate with russia to develop pragmatic cooperation. the spokeswoman stated this once again. chinese foreign ministry, maoning, let's listen to what the spokeswoman of the chinese foreign ministry said. china will continue to support russia in its development and revival under the leadership of president vladimir putin, and will support the russian people in self-reliance the chosen path of development. over the past 75 years, which have passed since the establishment of diplomatic relations between china and russia. sino-russian relations have come a long way. enduring the winds and rains, on the basis of renouncing alliances, non-confrontation and non- targeting of any third party, china and russia committed themselves to

long-term good-neighborliness and friendship, deepened comprehensive strategic coordination, and formed a new paradigm of relations between major countries . apparently, this was a response to anthony blinken, the united states secretary of state of america, who met with david cameron and... expressed concern about the nature of cooperation with russia and some other countries. let's listen to blinken. this is a constant challenge. we see weapons, we see technology to support the defense industrial base in russia coming from north korea, iran, china. this is an area of ​​particular concern not only to the united states and the united kingdom, but also to many of our allies and partners around the world. and one more detail, washington warned what beijing would think responsible, if moscow succeeds in ukraine against the background of deepening cooperation

between the russian federation and china, stated the deputy secretary of state of the united states of america, kurt kempel. here, mr. valery, how do you assess the current role of china and the ability of our western partners to induce china to non-cooperation. to military non-cooperation or not so extensive cooperation with the russian federation, because washington believes that a loss in ukraine, ukraine will mean that beijing will be responsible for it, well, we are not we will discuss the power of china and its influence in the world, yes, that is clear, he believes that he is neither the first nor the second today, but he wants to be the first soon. i believe that this is very optimistic, because in my opinion the usa will remain the leader in the near term, but really there are some internal problems in the united

states. and this russian war against ukraine, against, in fact, against nato, against the countries of the european union, it feeds china's confidence a little bit that russia will get something out of the way somehow, and it won't be necessary to be ashamed of sydzenpinu for pere, well, failures and defeats, well, now they are trivial, because now putin has deported that here we are beating, breaking, and this is china's position is cynical, they see it all, unfortunately,... them the position is not balanced, well, i would stop there, because china is a large country with which ukraine is building relations, but it is necessary to clearly understand that our allies may be the united states, but china will definitely not be, and we must proceed from this good-neighborly or whatever relations with china, and they, by the way, we still have a strategic partnership recorded so far, so it's really not

a strategic partnership. but it will be necessary to build these relations in a new way, they will already be built based on the results of the russian war against ukraine, now regarding how to react, well, look, then mr. salevan, jake salevan came out in the white house and said that america has no confirmations, help china, russia directly, and i do not have such confirmations in my hands, that is, if we had specific confirmations, that is, for example, even... the transfer of space images by chinese companies for russia's military needs is a subject of conversation with the chinese side, and we don't need the usa here, we can talk about it on a bilateral level. that is, that is why i think that it is necessary to understand that working with china is more work of diplomacy, politics, work of interests, uh, it will be impossible to build a common understanding of values ​​with china.

unfortunately, they have different approaches, they are closer to the russian ones, and this is a fact, and therefore it also brings the countries closer together, well, geopolitical interests, china is interested in weakening the united states, he believes that in this way, that is , by weakening the united states, by showing its inability to do something, he achieves his results, so the question for the united states, whether it has the ability to counteract such a position of china, obviously is, obviously is, but i no... i don't know to what extent they will correctly understand this phasing not only in statements, but also in actions. 800 billions of chinese exports to the usa, of course, this is so important that if a third of exports stop, and china will stop its economy against the background of its current mortgage crisis, well, there in the real estate market, that is,

spend there. the pace is not right, and of course china needs to think about it now, so yes, it could collapse everything, and the us will experience problems in the medium term, but if security is put first, then the us has important influences today, they will be less , as time goes on, there will be fewer of them, in my opinion, in the perspective of a few years, what will happen next, no one knows, but in this perspective it would be better to orientate more now, i once again... public statements are ok but here some specific steps are needed, well , the administration of the united states is doing it, sanctions are imposed on chinese companies in europe that sold certain things to the russians, but still, unfortunately, this dialogue between san francisco, president biden and chinese leader xi jinping, unfortunately he removed only one question, mainly nuclear threats, and

left many questions open. therefore, it is very difficult here, a difficult thing, and i will say this, it is impossible to simultaneously try to have china there at the peace summit in geneva and at the same time see what china is now negotiating with the russians, that is, in my opinion, china's position is very balanced today, and this is a problem that we , ukraine, unfortunately, cannot solve. a few more questions, mr. valery, in the context of what is happening and what is being articulated by moscow, the ukrainian trace has long been found there in the kroku city hall terrorist attack, and this week the trace of the russian federation has already begun to tie the ukrainian campaign of borism there. where, by the way, a certain time, in which biden's son hunter was involved, and now they

they are talking about the fact that... is there money there?