another trial was held today against the intelligence officer roman chervinskyi, a former intelligence officer, and today it was to be decided whether to extend the former intelligence officer's term of detention. kateryna is with us now live. katerina, i congratulate you. please tell me the details of the proceedings and what decision the judges reached during today's meeting. i congratulate sergey, i congratulate the audience. espress tv channel. so, today , the shevchenkiv district court of the capital considered the petition to extend the term of detention of roman chervinskyi. the review began with at 10 in the morning and, accordingly, lasted about 10 hours. today we watched a rather dynamic trial, a dynamic session with a bright polemic between the lawyers and the prosecutor, the lawyers and the judge. there was also plenty of time to hear roman chervitsky himself. i suggest that we hear it now, for a year now, not a single judge in

the appeal, and they have already stopped, does not confirm the validity of the suspicion, it is not justified, there is no evidence, because, on the other hand , i am sitting, that is, in the polluted european court, this is the most important thing in order to hold a person so, in general, today the lawyers also made several motions, mostly. most of them were rejected, but roman chervinskyi was allowed to sit between his lawyers, actually the lawyers, the defense side, point out that the suspicion is not sufficiently substantiated, which they talk about at almost every meeting, they also had questions even before the very petition about the extension of the term of detention, which was considered today, because the prosecutor first submitted it, then took it away, then submitted it again, which, according to the lawyers, was not is legitimate and... the defense filed a statement with

the law enforcement authorities against the prosecutor, because they say he committed a crime and let's hear more about it in the comments. today's petition, which was submitted again, it was submitted purely for technical reasons, without legal grounds, and it cannot at least be considered, at the most, consideration of this petition in an illegal way is also a crime. so, in general, today the court decided to keep roman chervinskyi in custody for 15 days instead of the 16 invited, and let's also hear the reaction to this decision. adoption of today's decision to extend the term of detention, only for... 15 days, is a kind of internal

compromise of the investigating judge and the internal compromise of the investigating judge between the understanding of how bad the prosecutor's request for the extension of detention is and the pressure of the executive power on the judiciary. therefore , the next meetings should already be held in kirovohrad. i have to conclude with this, so this is all the information i will pass on to sergey. thank you, kateryna, it was kateryna halka, who watched the trial of ex-intelligence officer roman chervinskyi, today they tried to choose another means of detention for him, but apparently the lawyers appealed, but as i understand it, nothing came of it. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook, during the entire broadcast we conduct a survey. and we ask you about this, do

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the verkhovna rada is rapidly losing confidence. how to maintain the effectiveness of the legislative work body without holding elections during wartime. resignation after resignation, the 2019 zelensky team is leaving power. what rearrangement of influence forces is behind this? ukrainophobe bulgakov, a russian writer originally from kyiv, is recognized as a symbol of imperial policy. why does not everyone agree with this decision? friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those watching now. us live on youtube, please take part in our survey, today we ask you about this, do you consider mykhailo bulgakov a ukrainophobe, yes, no, if you watch us on tv, you can vote on the corresponding numbers, if you consider

mykhailo bulgakov a ukrainophobe, 0800 211 381, no, 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free , vote at the end of the program , we are going to... we will summarize the results of our voting, and we already have my colleague andrii yanitskyi on the air, andrii, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, good evening, and have more join our broadcast oleksiy mustafin, historian, publicist, media manager, in order to discuss this evening with us, well, let's start our conversation, probably with a quick questioning of andriy. do you consider mykhailo bulgakov a ukrainophobe? i can't say yes or no, because the times when bulgakov was writing were still different, and we understand that then there was no independent ukraine in the form in which it is now, and

to take today's patterns and impose them for an author who created so long ago, it seems wrong to me, at the same time i... fully understand the position of our institute, in order to in order to lay the foundation for the future, we still have to draw a line under the imperial past and correctly interpret the writers in the sense of not banning them there not banning their publication, for example, publishing their books with comments, er and er write the truth about that , that it was so... well, he was rather a russian-cultural, such an imperial writer, or was he also a ukrainophobe, it is difficult for me to say, i am not his biographer, in literary works very often the characters do not say exactly what

the author really feels . thank you andrew oleksiy mustafin joined our broadcast. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. since, since we ask. our tv viewers about their attitude towards mikhail bulgakov, more precisely, about whether they consider mikhail bulgakov a ukrainophobe, i suggest you answer this question briefly, if possible. well, at least he is not a ukrainophile, at least he belongs to russian culture, and he identified himself as such. therefore, well, he is, to some extent, an interesting person in the context of that culture. with... on the other hand, yes, he is from kyiv, he was born in kyiv, spent a lot of time in kyiv, there is a kyivan theme in his work, of course, for any kyivan, it is also interesting, but it is clear that he is not a ukrainian writer, and therefore

he should be treated as such, well why we ask, now we will explain to our tv viewers, because both andriy and oleksiy understand exactly why we asked this question and why you actually... asked this question in the survey, the expert commission of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance recognized it as propaganda of russian imperial policy installation of monuments in honor of bulgakov and the use of his name. in the names of institutions and geographical objects. according to the conclusion of this commission , bulgakov was an imperialist in outlook and an ardent ukrainophobe. at the same time, the head of this institute of national remembrance, anton drobovych , called the experts' conclusion a little emotional, but admitted that they called a spade a spade. according to him, the bulgakov museum in kyiv will continue to exist, but its name will be changed. here. do you, gentlemen, agree with this conclusion of this institute,

the ukrainian institute of national memory, and whether or not everything that connects us or once connected us with russia, with everything that made us kindred, that made us a community of some kind should be taken and... thrown aside and talked about the fact that we will somehow continue without bulgakov, because bulgakov was an emperor. andrew? well, in the part about monuments and names, i fully agree with the conclusions of the institute, because when we talk about monuments, we are not talking about the literary work of this writer, we are talking about just imperial symbols, and when we see how they are demolished memory. pushkin, then the monument to putin, in fact, or the monuments there to

catherine, stalin, is being demolished, that is, it is a symbol of the empire, primarily not, a tribute to the work of this poet, and the same about bugakovo, you can say about other russian cultural imperial writers. i myself was born in sevastopol, lived there for 22 years, and you know, there was not as much bulgakov there as in kyiv, but there was, for example, pushkin. there was also a pushkin gymnasium, and pushkin’s street, of course, and there was no pushkin, although before the history of sevastopol, pushkin had a very indirect meaning, maybe he was somewhere nearby, but even when these names were assigned to schools, streets, squares, it was of course not about yevgeny onegin, but it was about the fact that this is a seal. such a russian world, empire and such a copyright, and on the city

of sevastopol, although there were many other periods in the history of sevastopol, crimean tatar, and ancient, and medieval, and more with europe, i believe, sevastopol was and is now connected, than with russia. thank you, andriy, oleksiy, journalist serhii tykhiy talks about the fact that bulgakov could be translated into ukrainian and... you set up such a method, why translate, that it was done, yes, yes, i would like to continue andriy's opinion about the fact that in fact the cult of pushkin and the cult of bulgakov, he is not not directly connected with these characters, more precisely with the literature that came out from under the pen of these people, monuments to pushkin began to be erected en masse all over the russian empire. when pushkin had already been in mogil for a long time, there was a certain anniversary there, it was the end of the 19th century, the beginning of the 20th century, and

precisely as a marker of russianness, so to speak, of russian culture. the same thing, when they say that they are destroying, they are destroying history, when they rename bolhakov streets, we must remember that bolhakov streets also appeared only in independent ukraine, so in principle, well, i don't remember for sure, but at least well ... at such a rise of the soviet union, and the cult of bulgakov arose quite, quite, quite late, so to speak, therefore, and besides, it must be said that the monument to bolgakov in kyiv appeared earlier than in russia, it reminds me of another character, leo tolstoy, which they fought a lot about renaming the metro station, but there is no station in any, no place in russia and there was no lev tolstoy metro station, are we really that big. by russians than the russians themselves. i believe that once again, there is no need to resort to prohibitions,

they are superfluous, that is, it is possible, many may be interested in these literary works, they can be published, and that there is, there is a demand for them, but again, this not related to the school, it is not related to toponymy, yes, maybe i would disagree about the memorial plaques, the memorial plaques will be explained. or mark the places where this or that person has been, and again, even at crime scenes there are memorial plaques, this does not mean that it is thereby glorified. cats or murderers, that's why i think that the board should stay, maybe in a different form, it can stay on the house where bulgakov lived, again, he lived, it's not his own, his own house, just a person here, why not no, that is, this is this in this, this is

part of the history that concerns the works of bolgak, then certainly the most famous work related to ukraine is the white guard, well, like five days of tours, he is imbued with the spirit of that, russian imperial kiev, that is, that part of society that was completely part of the russian, so to speak, empire, and sympathy for this culture, well , that's how such a culture was, was like that, were such people, and from the point of view of explaining their behavior in... conditions, maybe this is really interesting, but again, you don't need to give it away, that it is , so to speak, a novel or a play about kyiv, it's about about about a certain circle of people, these characters, the same applies, i don't understand how much who in the late soviet era admired the master and margarita, but there are questions

about the general, so to speak, essence of this novel, what it is about... how it characterizes russian culture, because it is definitely a russian novel, and there i saw many rists that are characteristic of russian literature in general, which from my point of view are an occasion to talk about why, why not only this culture did not stop the crime that is happening, but actually, well , that is, the result of this culture, the development of this culture is bucha. well, yes, a lot of questions there are, as there are many questions for president zelenskyi's former partner boris shefir, he gave a long interview to the svoboda radio station, he is currently in germany, in germany, he admitted that he wants friendship with russia and loves its culture, i will quote that , what did boris shefir actually say,

not serhiy shefir, but boris shevir? i love the russian language, russian culture, i cannot watch it being destroyed. pushkin monuments in ukraine, for me this is stupidity, if i were close to zelenskyi, i mean, i would say, let's close this matter and let's go to be friends, but there are completely different attitudes. here we see, gentlemen, how serhii shevir left the advisers and assistants of president zelensky last week, his own brother boris shevir has never hidden the fact that he wants to be friends with russia, in the 19th year he gave an interview and also spoke about the fact that... let's negotiate with russia, there is no need to fight, and serhiy shevir and boris shevir, these are not only business partners of zelenskyi, they are people who were actually at the origins of the appearance of the kvn star volodymyr zelenskyi, then they were near the star studios kvartal 95, well, they were near, who

better to know about it than you, as a biographer, well, i'm just repeating. i am retelling, yes, actually boris shevir and serhiy shevir, together with zelensky, they even rented an apartment in moscow when they lived there in the mytishchi district, and now these two people who contributed to the creation of an already political star also zelensky, because their influence was big enough, serhiy shefir was part of, let's say, the team responsible for the family's finances. zelensky, as far as i understand, and now they have left entourage, finally left zelenskyi's entourage . can we assume that now zelensky is simply renewing his team, because for

the extension of the presidential term, he no longer needs those who knew him in a completely different way, or... who led him to power, well, in fact, in my opinion, all presidents passed this stage, including president kuchma, those people who led it in 1994 until the elections in 1999 were no longer involved in this, what do you think this upgrade of this team is connected with, well and of course, the position is how to live, but we are all libertarians here, and gradually, gradually , politics became more. conservative after the full-scale invasion, challenges, well , others arose, not political rivalry with other politicians, but threats to the existence of the country and... i think, all this time, the big challenge for volodymyr zelenskyi is to get a controlled state machine, he did not get it in

in the form in which we know from the constitution and that there are ministers, the parliament is effective, and the leadership of the country is mine viewing takes place in an informal way through a system of advisors, friends, onlookers. that is, of course, there is a formal vertical, but the formal vertical does not work, but the informal vertical works, and in this informal vertical there are several groups of influence, several groups of interests, and these interest groups fight with each other, which of them is more influential, we already we see that kyril tymoshenko is not around, he is there in the position of adviser to the minister of defense, but he does not play a big role, we already see that mr. serhiy shefir is here. no, but who is getting stronger, well of course, yermak, the head of the president's office, is such a powerful figure, and he, well, in my opinion,

takes over all the levers of influence on ukrainian politics. oleksiy, what do you think, zelensky simply does not need old friends who will applaud him, well, look, it seems to me, to me, that there are two or two questions here. about old friends and about the change of people in the team, so we see that this is zelensky's style of work in general, he is changed from time to time, he changes people, and here i would not link boris shafir's statements there, because in a similar way, he changed the commander-in-chief, that is, because in this... play in this scenario, there should be one hero, and that is the hero volodymyr volodymyr zelenskyi, that is, this is such and such a way, a way of leading, a way of conducting political

affairs, people , who come, whom he takes into his team, they have to perform some tasks, some succeed, some fail, but from time to time he changes them precisely because he has a hero, there should only be one hero, of course, it is possible.. to connect, so to speak, the dismissal of serhiy shafir with the statements his brother, although, so to speak, these are not his first statements, and it is not the first time serhiy has retaliated against them, but we can see in principle that since the time when there was an attempt on him, by the way, what is going on with the investigation of this attempt, we are so and we don’t know, he actually didn’t play a big role in the environment, in the environment of zelenskyi, so i think that this is rather a statement, a statement... a fact, although again it fits perfectly into the logic of zelenskyi’s actions, regarding views, so to speak say boris shafir, you know, he is now, as you

mentioned, he is now in germany, i don't think that during, for example, the second world war, many people who were, for example, jews, were ready to cooperate with germany or to say, well, we will make peace anyway, because when... we lived very well in the weimar republic, so i it seems that there is a certain, certain element of slyness here, but again, he is a private person, these are his personal views and personal, so to speak, tastes, because after all, to a certain extent, he concerns the sphere, the sphere of culture, so to speak , let's call it that, and there taste plays its role, that is for some it is called... and for some it is normal and nothing, maybe zelensky would also have such views, but you know, he is in that position when completely different things define him and

his actions and his, and his, again, his tastes now, that's why i don't think that it 's related in any way, although of course, similar so to speak, well minor, i would say incidents, but of course they can play out there, which... you see that zelensky's friends, even the former, want reconciliation with russia, but i would not consider it as a priority version. well, you just have to remember what zelensky said on the night of the 23rd to the 24th, when he spoke about the fact that he addressed the russians in russian and said that why is the war there, and he tried to somehow appeal to the russian audience, and this can also be explained in principle , why, because zelensky was one. from those who toured russia a lot, and as kvr, i can agree with you on one side, on

the other side i don't, because in fact it's... in general , a game played by all ukrainian politicians, 31 years independence that let's not quarrel with russia, let's find a common language, let's persuade the russians to say that it was some kind of malicious manipulation of russia, i wouldn't say, i think it was quite pragmatic, by the way, the west also talked with with putin, because they also believed that ukrainian politicians ... it is possible to reach the russians, the russian elite, the russian leader, the russian people, about which we were probably all under certain illusions, so yes, but after what happened on february 24, especially after what happened mariupol and bucha, i think that the responsible politicians have at least

lost their illusions, and uh... they simply won't resort to such things, if only out of a sense of self-preservation, because you know, we can certainly have some of the figures who are around the banking were spinning, and this is not a shefir, so to speak, they can make some curtseys in the direction of russia, but for this they still have to leave ukraine and be there emigrating to tell that they feel they are russians, beyond any doubt, i actually wanted to say, that serhiy shevir and boris shevir and volodymyr zelenskyi, well , the kvartal 95 studio contributed quite strongly to the fact that there were a lot of representatives of russian culture on the ukrainian market, and, let's say, there were a lot of russians at almost all of their concerts, and this it is to the point that they thought that

it was... normal and many of the same putinists of today attended these concerts, and i believe that in this situation, both the former head of the studio quarter 95 zelensky, and the former heads and studios 95 and serhii shevir and boris shevir, they too are also responsible for that very yes definitely definitely they are responsible but also responsible. perhaps chronologically they are a little different, but nevertheless, everyone who tried to do business with russia, and tell me who did not try to do business with russia, even with the most patriotic words , ukrainian politicians did it, well, i will not mention already there about the lipetsk factory, about rosukrenergo under yushchenko, of course i am not talking about yanukovych and kuchma, so

again, that's how it should be. i agree with that, andriy, you have something to add to this broad discussion, well, they haven't mentioned mymoshenko yet, because tymoshenko did it too, tymoshenko is absolutely not excluded, let's let's not remove the responsibility from the voters either, we remember how it changes, it changed electoral picture, and i would say that the whole country is more mature. and this country gradually became aware of itself as a separate country, not one that chose its own separate path from russia, well , perhaps holy galicia, to the west, in the west of the country, these beliefs were from the very beginning 90s, already balanced, but other regions gradually evolved and looked for themselves and...