according to the politician, he is going to paris for talks with french president emmanuel macron at the beginning of may, where the sixtieth anniversary of diplomatic relations between paris and beijing will be celebrated, but not only. according to the politician, officials recently informed the publication that china is trying to convince europe to allow russia to sit down at the table of future peace negotiations in switzerland. otherwise, beijing will boycott such meetings - writes the publication. in addition, there are reports that putin will visit china in may 24 negotiations with sidzenpiny, and this may become putin's first foreign visit after the pseudo-elections, the so-called elections in russia. how do you, mr. volodymyr, assess these efforts of china to help. russia

to get out of the situation in which vladimir putin drove the country? i do not think that this is about efforts to help, this is about the fact that china wants to confirm once again, again, just as turkey in its interests in relations with russia, so china its leadership, and in the world as a whole, and in the region, china by the way has not been very active in recent years, let's say, in western and eastern europe. and today he is trying, well, not to regain this leadership, but to also enter this region as a serious player, we remember that the special representative of china, mr. bihui , has already visited all the countries of almost the region, which are involved in one way or another in the russian-ukrainian war, there is a chinese peace peace plan, although... it is difficult

to call it a plan, but nevertheless, it is a proposal, it is also an attempt to play a certain mediating role, eh, and as for the visit of the leader of china to france, i think that this visit is a response to macron's visit to beijing, which has already begun, you know, to forget a little bit, and that was last year, that was at the time when serious problems began in the relations between the united states of america and china, and macron then er... also tried to play such a leadership role, well, at least as a european country that wants to somehow normalize relations with china er and er with the fact that the sanctions that threatened china so that they don't, let's say, negatively affect the trade between china and france and china, european. the union

as a whole, so it also has its own interests, and of course, there will be talk about our war, given macron's latest statements, which were bold, which were 100% in our favor, i think that too, that it is good for the leader of china to hear all this from macron as well, and to understand that this chinese narrative about the involvement of russia in a peace conference on ukraine, or some other peace forum, is not on time, that is, there is, there is a clear position of our state, there should not be any russia at the negotiating table, at least in the first stages, it is necessary to see how the process will proceed and how it will possibly change, well, i do not really hope for it, to be honest, but if the position of russia will change, for today it completely inadequate, and then... therefore, at the same

negotiating table, neither we nor our other allies, and only the allies, simply have nothing to talk about, so it is important that the leader of china hears from the french side as well, and maybe macron will voice and certain signals on behalf of the european union as a whole, as it also wants to take over certain leadership positions in this as well. and this is normal for us, because first of all it concerns precisely the fight against russian aggression. mr. volodymyr, the former president of the united states of america , donald trump, who expects to become the next president of the united states of america, in an interview with fox news evasively answered the question of whether he would continue to help ukraine with weapons, or whether he would allow putin to occupy part or all of ukraine if he was again will be elected president. let's hear what trump said. i hope it doesn't come to that,

it's still a long way off, 9 months to the inauguration and 7 months to the election, in a war and... it's an eternity. if we had a real leader, putin would never have done this. remember, he hasn't done this in four years, and there was no real threat that he would. if i were president, all these people would be alive. all those beautiful cities, ancient thousand-year-old domes, golden domes. culture cannot be replaced. how are you, mr. volodymyr? rate? what trump says, that if he were president, none of this would have happened. well, you know, i wouldn't want to preemptively criticize trump for his position, especially since this time, unlike some of his previous statements, he's been

quite cautious. and, well, actually speaking, when he says that this would not have happened under him, well... he was the president for four years, he was already in crimea, donbas, and actually speaking, he, well, in a political sense, he , well , did not do anything so extraordinary for to stop that conflict at that stage, although, we pay tribute to the fact that it was during his presidency that ukraine received the first american weapons, so it was before the beginning of the second one, but nevertheless... nevertheless, it would be under trump, uh, well , and uh, uh, i keep repeating the thesis that the statements of the presidential candidate, and trump, by the way, is not even a candidate yet, well, if we assume that he will become a candidate, and and

the president's statements are, you know, completely different things, and i believe that we should wait... well at least at the moment when and if trump is officially nominated for the post of president in the elections, and then this is the period, let's say, those six months are conditional between his nomination and the elections in november of this year, then i think we will be able to hear already valid, genuine such substantive statements, which will come close, at least to... his position in the event that he, after all, becomes the president of the united states of america. that is , you believe that these statements will be much more weighted, in short. yes, i think so yes, that is, you understand, today

this sword of damocles does not hang over him, well, it is possible, you are not quite right, but you know when a person will be approved and nominated as a candidate. the degree of his responsibility for any word he says will be much higher than it is now. now he's just scoring points in this campaign, which hasn't officially started yet, and that's why i say once again that we have to wait for the moment when he will officially become the person who will run for president of the united states. thank you sir volodymyr, thank you for the conversation, it was volodymyr yelchenko, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the un and the united states. america, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, during this broadcast we are conducting a poll and asking you the following: does the united states of america recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, there are intermediate results of the poll on

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calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. people's deputies of ukraine are visiting us today. feder vinislavskyi, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, member of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence. mr. fedor, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. glory to heroes. iryna friz, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity, member of the supreme committee national security, defense and intelligence councils. ms. irina, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening! oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine from the batkivshchyna faction, first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on energy and housing and communal affairs . mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. greetings, good evening, mutual, just as glad. well, as we, ladies and gentlemen, ask our television viewers and viewers what they think, or recognize, recognize the united states

america considers russia a state sponsor of terrorism, and we ask this for a reason. u.s. senator lynsey graham, a republican, who was in kyiv, announced that he would initiate a bill to designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, which he said would make secondary sanctions more meaningful. mrs. irina, do you think washington will dare to recognize russia as a state, a state sponsor of terrorism? well, that would be perfectly logical from my point of view, because there is every reason to... to clearly define, including on a legislative basis level not only in our country, but also in the countries of our partners, successive partners , that russia is a sponsor of terrorism, i want to remind you that somewhere in the 17th year at the nato parliamentary assembly, we made a corresponding report on how the russian federation uses opportunities

to finance terrorist organizations such as dilt, dil, etc. therefore, in this case, there should only be the presence of political will on the part of our partners from the united states of america, regarding the completion of this issue and bringing it to a logical conclusion corresponding to what is actually happening now. russia is a state sponsor of terrorism. well, a state that is itself a terrorist, although this is a legal term, a state that sponsors terrorism. mr. oleksiy, do you think the americans recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism? thank you, indeed, sergey, you correctly said at the end that she is not a sponsor, she is the main terrorist, russia, by the way, this is quite consistent, because if you recall the history of the soviet union, then the main organizer of world terror was the soviet union. russia is his direct heir, therefore, in essence

, the connection of times and peoples is taking place. second, well... in my opinion, this is a very serious test for our partners, well, not even physically, not so much from the point of view of their relationship with ukraine, their support or not, it is a test of their truthfulness, sincerity, and devotion to ideals democrats, the slogans that americans have been professing for many years, many hundreds of years, actually speaking, now it must be confirmed by really actual decisions, and i... in my opinion, this is a test for them as a democratic country, i would put, well, it is clear that when i mentioned graham in linsey, he said that the russians bypass all the sanctions that exist in the world and that these are secondary sanctions, they should be more significant, last week donald tusk spoke about the fact that a part

of europe verbally condemns russia's aggression against ukraine, but instead conducts some business, sells something, buys something from russia. mr. fyodor, when our partners actually put all their hopes on the dot, when it will be clear to everyone that there cannot be any negotiations with russia, that this is a state sponsor of terrorism, that this is a terrorist state, and this will be enshrined at the legislative level in the united states of america, which will accordingly affect absolutely all the counterparties with whom they work, well... i completely agree with our colleagues who expressed that for us, for people's deputies of ukraine, for the authorities of ukraine in general, there is no doubt that the russian federation is a terrorist country, a country that is a sponsor of terrorism. moreover, i want to tell you that in the first weeks of the war, our committee was one of the the first who initiated and voted

for the resolution at the committee, the draft resolution on the recognition of russia as a terrorist state, but at that time it was not... if it had support among other colleagues, but you know, talking about the fact that russia is definitely terrorism , dares in almost every corner of the world, in every country, and even in the united states of america, different politicians, different political forces, they declare that russia is a sponsor of terrorism, that it should be officially recognized as such, but unfortunately, we we see some such, you know, caution, as in the actions of our and... american partners and western partners, when they still try not to take any drastic actions or make drastic statements, to make decisions that could lead to an even greater escalation of the conflict. and unfortunately, when i was on a business trip to the united states of america, this thesis that the united states and the authorities of the united states are trying to avoid

further escalation permeated the official and unofficial communications of our colleagues with american colleagues, so i i think that eventually the united states of america will admit that russia is a state sponsor of terrorism, but how quickly it will happen, well, i can't. to be optimistic and say that it will happen in the near future, but this is exactly the way that our partners in the united states of america have declared and are declaring, the way of the actual full application of all the various sanctions, which will then be very painful for those who violate them. today, the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd osin , opened the meeting of the 20th meeting of the format romstein promised that the united states. america will continue to support ukraine's military efforts against russia, despite congressional delays. let's listen to what the secretary of defense of the united states of america said.

today, our message is quite clear. the united states will not allow ukraine to lose. our coalition and the entire free world will not allow this to happen. last week, the usa announced another security package, which amounted to 300 million. this is an extremely important measure in order to help ukraine in the purchase of ammunition, anti-aircraft missiles and other equipment. we are now trying to find out what ukraine urgently needs, and we are determined to give it exactly that. besides, he said that ukraine and the united states of america will not back down and will do everything for ukraine. was not defeated, and this coalition will not allow ukraine to be defeated, ms. iryna, lloyd osin is saying that the united states

of america, remstein, a group of countries that support us in the war against russia, are saying that they will not ukraine will be defeated, although, i, we, we do not hear the rhetoric, what rambstein will do. it is for russia to be defeated, that is, some such half-hearted decision and half-hearted statements that ukraine will not be defeated, why does the west not say that russia must be defeated, putin must be defeated, russia in the form in which it is aggressive, dangerous for the whole world, that there must be demilitarization, denuclearization in order for the world to sleep peacefully. thank you, well look, it's actually very important to have clear and consistent support from one of our key supporters, that's

the united states of america, it's really necessary welcome the clarity of the narratives that speak of unwavering support for ukraine. it was very desirable for us to directly have not only statements and not only aspirations in support. country, and including the provision of the necessary, vital help for our victory from our partners. in this case, i think that mr. austin's statements are primarily aimed at proving, including to the aggressor country, that ukraine will not remain alone with the occupying country. indeed, i support. your thesis that it would be desirable to move away from these mythologist about the fact that it is ukraine that will not be defeated and

change it to the fact that it is russia that must be defeated, but you and i, unfortunately, still have to state the fact that the vast majority of western leaders are under the grip of such a narrative about the fact that russia... it is desirable not to anger too much, in this case i believe that time is playing against everyone, not only against ukraine, but also against our supporters and our partners, so the sooner the partners change their rhetoric and really come to the point that you can't negotiate with russia, russia is not a country that will use the possibility of finding a compromise as achieving some parity in order to move forward, russia will use any compromises from its partners as their weakness, and accordingly, russia must

be destroyed as a state. otherwise, it will continue to pose a threat to the entire democratic world. thank you, ms. irina, mr. fedor, please tell me what the west is saying and doing now, and our western partners, who are united in this, in this format ramshtein, whether it is sufficient for ukraine not to be defeated in the struggle. with russia, well, first of all, i would like to return to this rhetoric that our partners will not allow ukraine to be defeated, the fact is that the goal that we, with which we are fighting against the aggressor country and the goal with which the aggressor country attacked to ukraine, they are completely different. it is important for us to restore our territorial integrity, to preserve our statehood, and for russia it is important to destroy us as a statehood, as a nation, as a people, and so on. that's why

rhetoric. our partners that ukraine cannot lose, that is, they will not allow russia to achieve the goals it sets for itself by invading ukraine, we have never declared that we want to destroy the russian federation, although i completely agree with ms. irina here , that for us it would be an ideal option, but still, our partners , considering both the nuclear status of the russian federation and the unpredictability of the destruction of this country into some fragments, they act very...carefully, but the main thing for us is that the signals, which we hear from our partners that ukraine will not lose , and therefore ukraine will restore its territorial integrity, they are decisive, and they certainly provide very clear guidelines for russia, which understands that it will not be able to do this because the entire civilized world is against it and for our citizens, and for us, is the support that we will receive enough, you know, without this support it would be much more difficult for us,

but without ... certainly this support, well at the moment from the point of view of understanding us as representatives defense committee, which understand the difficulties facing our security and defense sector, of course, it is not enough, because if timely decisions were made to provide ukraine with what it needs in a specific period of time, then the situation on the territory of the battlefield would probably be different, if there was no delay with the delivery first of barrel artillery, then rocket artillery, then... tanks, then air defense systems, or before that anti-air defense systems, then aircraft, but these are all decisions made by our partners, and they help us a lot, but they are late for at least six months, so of course this aid is not enough, we are trying to consolidate other countries and our european partners to give us something that will help us protect our people and free our territory from the country, the aggressor. thank you, mr. fedor, mr. oleksiy,

well... after all, what do you think is the defeat of russia in the west's understanding, what, what, what, what should be a defeat, do they understand what a defeat is? serhii, i am now our broadcast is so political, after all, there are three politicians, three representatives of political power, forces, yes, and on the one hand there, well, very much, probably, now it would be useful to say some correct things electorally. patriotic gas, but i will still try to comment, well, more calmly, as with an expert, well, taking into account experience, well, you are absolutely correct in asking the question, and let's find out that in the end , defeat and victory are for us, well, how on me, first of all, since this war, which is imposed on us by the aggressor, is existential,

yes, it is, as for them... because they deny the very right of ukraine to exist as a state, it is the same for us, but with a different sign of minus on plus, it is existential, that is, we have to prove that we have the right to our statehood of the territory and so on and the like, so it will be absolutely a difficult period about this, and unfortunately , it will not be short and medium-term in time, it is difficult to predict it, it will continue, but it will not be fast. such a period to the right, as far as i'm concerned, our victory is essentially in the fact that russia did not achieve its main goal, it did not achieve the goal of its two- or three-day special operation, when they believed that in three days there will be a white flag, as there is one pope there...