that trump says that he will be like that, mr. antin, i want to emphasize once again, i perfectly understand that no matter who, no matter how reagan came to power, the soviet empire was destroyed by his efforts, and i am convinced that the military the lobby that is behind trump in case of his victory, it will do a lot to kill russia, and theses that ... trump will go to kiss with the moscow führer, they are aimed at the ukrainians now beat the spears from trump. i warn the ukrainian leaders in advance, there is no need to intervene in that process as much as possible today, we need to get help from everyone, including the united states of america, but not to interfere in that process so much that after november 4th we will regret that we intervened. in this process, and i fully

share the point of view of boris johnson here, because he is a person and an expert and a journalist, a journalist, as a creative person, is given to feel these subtleties, and the argument that he makes about trump, it is serious enough to be ignored, therefore , from my point of view, these are parallels of 79-80 year and the current course of events with the delay , the vote, in the house of representatives, they are very similar to all these things, by the way, this is in the nature of the republicans, they have been through political battles through these processes more than once, and i will say this now as a human being, which is unrelated to the processes of power, i want to warn and explain to ukrainians, ukrainian officials, that these american phenomena

should be treated as american phenomena, what do we need now? you know, internally i am more wary of those in power corridors of ukrainians and their inability to counter such things than from society, the army and so on, because these things, the army, society, the defense forces, they are very stable and strong, but what about the excesses that arise. all the time in the political system, and its essence is that there is one flaw that continues to live, the government ignores the opposition's position, it is impossible and unacceptable to do this in the conditions of war, as much has already been said about the examples that happened and so on, because what will arise as soon as the situation escalates and it is necessary to take some step. serious

the absence of this dialogue will necessarily lead to a serious conflict in the capital on the streets of the capital, this is a very dangerous thing, therefore, as much as possible, the idea of ​​national unity, which should have been implemented through a government of national unity, through some coordination council of national unity and so on, it is necessary it is necessary to do, because the next thing like that they were not released abroad, on the other hand... they were released, unjustified charges were issued and so on, in the information field can lead to very serious tension. now one more thing: it is clear that in such a situation, they are activated from the outside, and here it is very important to distinguish between macron's idea from the point of view of its rational content and essence, and the idea of ​​lihuey, who is simply moscow's envoy to ukrainian. corridors, because i want to draw attention

to one thing: the spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs of china, answering the question of the same journalist, thanked the ukrainian and russian sides for constructive cooperation and objective information of beijing. i was a little surprised by this leveling, well, for dictatorial red offices, it is typical to set for one year... the victim and the aggressor, i understand that, that's why in these 12 points there is no difference between ukraine and russia, there are both sides, it is only used that way as a last resort, but this thank you alarmed me a little, because you have to understand that since ankara , and so did beijing, but pro-ankara was passed, beijing today makes sure that the warring ukraine, according to the results...

this year, after all , gave 6.7 million tons of grain to the chinese, this is necessary, just imagine , a warring country, to the one who helps the aggressor. and also sells grain, because he has problems with food, and this one the representative of the minister , the minister of foreign affairs at the munich conference, the minister of china wang yi, to the question of christoph heusgen, why you do not fulfill the budapest memorandum, said, but we did not sign it, it was signed by the british, americans, and ukrainians, and when heusgen told him for... the document was already voted by the security council, then he added, yes , we have nothing to do with the situation that has developed, so to me, these chinese-beijing quirks according to the moscow scenario are already sitting in cookies, and the point is because i want to emphasize once again, these are things

that, from the point of view of diplomatic skill and all this tangle that is being spun in the international plan, they are very dangerous, because... we are only just now passing this turn, which, in which we almost flew to kanava with poland, and now we still can, we have a chance to get into the same picket situation with the trip of lihuuai, who solves the issues needed by beijing, all his concern for ukraine in this situation and the ceasefire is only that , to say it... no more and no less, because in last year, china and russia gained 270 billion in trade turnover, in three months of this year , on the 24th, it is already +25, if you look at what is in this basket, then there is energy

, there is industry, there is electronics, that is, there are microcircuits, there are rare earth metals, exactly what is needed in order to... produce weapons for war. please note that nine months have passed since likhovei traveled around ukraine and europe, where he talked about the fact that ukrainians should give the captured territories to the enemy, this time he brought another thing, that in order to to talk about these things, we must talk with russia, this is thesis number one and thesis number two, it is impossible. realize your security without taking into account the security of your neighbor , you know what is behind these words , decipher you, ukraine cannot join nato, because it is dangerous for russia, if you add what charap and shapiro wrote, which

say that that today it is important that someone from the entourage of the president of ukraine says that the decree is not to conduct negotiations. does not apply only to putin himself, but not to ordinary people concerns, and secondly, it is important that the kremlin say, and to what mark in the territory of ukraine do they want to reach? when you read all these things , you understand that you need to have a strong nervous system, i say this so that everyone understands that agents of the kremlin, they will always show themselves and will always write all kinds of nonsense in order to make us nervous. ize, that is why i want us all these fools that come from beijing, that come from very money-loving americans and europeans, so that we can withstand them. as for vashnihton and to travel or not to travel

first lady for president biden's speech, then i will say this, every official, in addition to being a person, has other functions, and i can tell you, as a non-professional diplomat, that 90% of the time you have to do the job you want you don't like it, but you have to do it, because you were sent to negotiate, the enemy in front of you, or your imperfect friend, or a friend with a headache, that's such a thing, you have to do this work, and when you especially need help, then who you are sitting next to, what... you are flying in and what you are wearing, this is a thing absolutely ten-row. we all need to understand that there are situations in which, and this is for diplomats for the most part, you do not belong to yourself, your role is to perform the function that you have to do.

unfortunately, i have to end our conversation, i am sincerely grateful to you, mr. roman, for this brilliant analysis, i want to remind our tv viewers that roman bezsmertny, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, was currently working on espresso. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news feed reports about them, however, it is not enough to know what is happening from..., it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess events, analyze them, modeling our future, every saturday at 1:10 p.m., with a repeat on sunday at 10:10 a.m. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. oleksandr morozov, a political scientist, political expert, lives and works in prague, will be on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, oleksandr, i congratulate you. glory, hello. speaking of

the death trajectory that putin has now outlined, how far do you think he will be willing to go now come in, and in general, what will be the collective response if it doesn't come, because what 's happening in the united states is extremely troubling. if you look realistically, the kremlin is now in this position. first of all, not only blitzkrieg 2 of 22 failed, it must be admitted that the results of the entire military campaign to date have been far below what putin had hoped for, that's for sure. in a sense, this is a massive failure of a military campaign. an exemplary example, which many military people are now paying attention to experts, the kremlin began to destroy avdiivka in march 2023. last october. in 2023, a sort of assault began, which ended at the end of february 2024, and

there are no more noticeable serious successes. at the same time, are the kremlin and putin preparing a new offensive? maybe, but it's not clear. and those who carefully observe this situation from the military side do not have a sure answer to this question. the kremlin's war is bogged down. it. fundamental point. the second point is important: what is happening around at this time? in europe. and it is happening in europe something unheard of. the christian democrats faction in the bundestag insists that germany provide taurus to ukraine. this is a really amazing event, because the cdu and the csu were talked about. bavarians support. putin completely, they are guided only by economic interests, and now the cdu takes such a firm

position. macron has just publicly hinted to the kremlin that on the sidelines of conferences he attends, some speakers are publicly saying that european armies will have to be directly involved in the russo-ukrainian war. the kremlin is on it reacts painfully. couch intellectuals laugh at macron, but the reality here is an extremely new opinion, a new message, which macron conveys to the kremlin in a neat way. finland and sweden join nato. an unprecedented process is taking place on the eastern flank. the ten-year military construction procedure for nato's eastern flank has begun. now, these days, training is taking place there with a contingent of 100,000 in central and eastern europe. and the delay in receiving the american

package of military aid, which is now available, is causing a lot of despair, but at the same time the reality is roughly what general austin, the united states secretary of defense, said late last year. military production received orders in 35 states of the united states for 2024-2025. this is the reality after two years of war. and i would say that on the one hand, it is even very encouraging from the point of view that the kremlin is stuck in a state of waiting now. the kremlin is clearly counting on the fact that... something will happen, the houthis will create problems in the middle east, china will start something,

the west will somehow collapse by itself, the ukrainians get tired, etc. this is a state of waiting for something to swing in the direction of the kremlin. but on the other hand, it causes anxiety. because putin has shown in the past that he... waits a long time, but at the same time, it is now clear that this war itself has transformed russian society for the worse. putin is in a situation now. and when in 10 days he gets 85% in his so-called election, that is , a confidence referendum, and with a large turnout. according to his message to the federal assembly, it is clear that he is perhaps not satisfied with the war, how it is happening, but he is satisfied with the way his economy is doing. and he is satisfied

with the state of russian society, which he likes. it was reborn, there was no final form of a conformist society that was ready to go anywhere, to endure any repression against itself. and this is precisely what creates a rather dangerous situation for any subsequent decision of the kremlin. i just wanted to think about this with you, what this next phase could be. the war did not become as popular as putin and his technologists hoped, but... we understand that he is is included in a long script. indeed , society, more precisely, the population , now somehow we rarely use the word society in relation to russia, so as not to expect that there is a civil society that influences the processes, no, there is a population, and we can

talk about social strata, social groups , which depending on professions or. remain the most loyal and are ready to be so in the future. in other words, putin's population is ready for anything. this is fundamental. and a plus to this is the bureaucracy. a very large bureaucratic layer. yes, during the war, during these two. putin has finally groped his bureaucracy, which kiriyenko and his staff have been preparing very actively for the last 5-7 years. putin and the kremlin pumped up bureaucracy training programs. by the way, now the kremlin is actively testing these models in the occupied territories. what exactly does kiriyenko and not only him, but a large circle

of people from moscow do in the occupied territories. does it have its own bureaucracy and management apparatus. this is all a long-term process. putin lets us know that he is coming not in one next term, but in two. that is, plan until 2036, not until 2030. this is how he sees this situation. we cannot say that it will all work out for him, because there are many factors that we cannot predict. but the kremlin plans this way, it all works, it all boils down to violence, no doubt. and this cannot but continue in the war that putin is waging, and in the attitude of russian society, where nothing can be expected except for the escalation of violence. i took a rather

careful and serious approach to putin's revelations, which... i didn't regurgitate like that in an interview the so-called carlson, as we understand in him , has a certain fixation, this fixation is ukraine, that is , where i see manifestations of a certain historiosophy, i am extremely stressed, taking into account when there is a mobilized nation, so we understand where it is being mobilized, it is can have very specific manifestations. this historiosophy seems crazy and fantastic to every listener, because everyone is interlocutor. and putin begins to tell them his phantasmagoric picture that on the territory of eurasia, which does not have state borders, there is a kind of eurasia without borders, there is a nation without

a nationality, which consists of different ethnic groups, but this is an imaginary one. the soviet people, which, if reunited under the auspices of moscow, will be some new, great, majestic imperial entity that will change the course of world history. and the kremlin promoted this idea with the help of various formulations and intellectual contexts. the kremlin once insisted that this was russian peace. now it is already clear that putin emphasizes not on russian peace, but on... concepts unmarked by ethnicity. it clearly sounds that not just from from putin's point of view, the people are supposedly fraternal, but simply one and the same people. and within this world, let's say, now, if some actions against moldova are started from the kremlin, then there will be the same concept.

moldovans are the same people as in the entire post-soviet space, it's just that they took a wrong path there. this concept is developing. but he does not understand, i.e., that by killing ukrainians, he is doing everything to be ultimately civilized. to moor at the maximum distance, yes, but it is clear that it is impossible to convey this simple to putin an opinion that is obvious to everyone in europe, especially after the second world war, after the work that europe itself did as a result of the second world war, because after all it is a huge political culture, new, grown, which is based on the fact that state borders and cultural borders are preserved, but at the same time... they are not the main thing, they are open. the impossibility of war on the territory of europe, many times all european politicians in three generations have repeated this important opinion.

you cannot explain all this to putin, because it is obvious that his consciousness, and now also the consciousness of his environment, and what is worse, the consciousness of very large contingents, speaking in sociological terms in russia, they are really fascinated by this idea. in other words , some kind of phantasmagorical idea captures that russia in the 21st century should become a truly hegemonic power here on the continent, i.e. equalize itself with europe in conflict, and not in cooperation. at the same time, it is clear that they are ready for anything for the sake of this idea. they are ready to sacrifice long-standing relations with israel. they have already sacrificed theirs long-term relationship. with germany , they are ready, and it is clearly visible now, to play creepily with china, and they are ready on the world

stage, if china refuses, and china refuses, just to pretend that russia together with iran is against the rest of the world, this is all terrible, but none of we cannot imagine how this is possible, even when there is still someone in russia with common sense inside. of some old institutes of international politics, in the institute of europe, the academy of sciences, for example, or in similar places, these people too can't imagine how to think about russian politics in a different way now, look, why was navalny alarmed, that is, it's not just a technical point, so to speak, we understand that this is a certain message, which was most likely not directed at domestic russian elites, it is so. the symbolic meaning of navalny's murder is clearly visible. and it must be said that it caused such an international response. it is obvious. we are now seeing a series of publications that

various deaths among russian businessmen have been recorded on the territory of different countries, which left from under putin. back in 2019, british police services drew attention to the circumstances of strange deaths. but all this... was postponed for later. now we see a picture, and what is this picture? it is a picture of intimidation, consistent and brutal. after all, navalny's murder sends a clear signal that in the new term, now that putin will enter his six-year term, no one will be spared. it is also important that a pilot who flew to the ukrainian side was killed in spain on the same day. and if you look at the kremlin's comments, there is triumph. i i consider it absolutely serious that russian

oppositionists living outside the country must take a new look at their situation and their security, because a new stage is being openly entered, and the murder of navalny and the beginning of the qualification of some public figures as terrorists with side the kremlin, the kremlin began to give not only incomprehensible titles to foreign agents that do not have a strong and dangerous projection, but also started extremist terrorists. and navalny was called a terrorist and extremist by the kremlin, one of the first. now they enroll new people there. regarding all of them, these are direct threats from the kremlin. turning these people into terrorists. like, you mean, something like death will act against you, because of martial law and the like, in this

sense the killing of navalny is read. just like that, at the exit we see, well, that he has some , i don’t know, civilizational proposal, this is roman baron ungern von sternberg, that is, the only thing is that china is not ready to actively support him in this matter, that is, putin is on his own reconciled, threw the robe of this crazy daura baron over his shoulders, so that, we understand, here he has a mobilized russian nation, he has an army, he has preparations. to a new storm and a long, bloody war against ukraine, but well, it has to go somewhere too, or is he just going to implement all his cannibalistic plans that he voiced to carlson, or is there something more? yes, this is a very good comparison with baron ungern, i think it is very appropriate because many people now see and understand that putinism is now not some kind of thing... that is

, behavior that does not meet the general standard of democracy, not some kind of late soviet union with conformist democracy. everyone can clearly see that the pathos of the conservative revolution has now been added to all this. putin is entering a kind of mystical phase of his rule, raising a heavy degree of opposition to the west. this is another level of it. in this sense of the word. yes, it is something like that. to baron ungern or to the national bolsheviks, as my colleague volodymyr pastukhov writes, absolutely correct, me too i see the features of early fascism, a mixture of tsarism and fascism in the early phase, before it finally took shape. in this sense of the word, i would say that for putin, if it doesn't sound terrible, there is no other path than the path to the great war, which burns everything. what's next? we

look at it, we, of course, see less. in general, how is the russian federation going to get out of this political tension, which it has been dragged into for the past 10 years. hryhoriy yavlinskyi's quiet growling with the cry: "give a truce at any price" or some kind of anti-war game , it's hard to say who. in boris nadezhdin, this is a weak squeal of mice from under the plinth, compared to the colossal inertia that has already arisen. only during the war, but also in several previous years. it is obvious that this movement started in 2020 precisely, in its new phase, when the constitution was changed. even then it was clear that everything was moving towards a global conflict. i would say that we have to be very careful and keep a lot of resilience, orient ourselves towards ursula fonlajen and

figures like her, that is, people who do not... give in to panic, to any defeatist mood, telling myself that the usa is fleeing somewhere, the west is weakening, putin is winning, you can't say anything like that to yourself, in danger you have to stand with your back straight, remember every day that for ukrainians, who are just competing in the trenches, such burnout is not possible to be, it is a matter of life and death, as well as for european politicians, who do something every day to... in order to maintain a certain resilience of european societies. in this sense, i look at the new czech government in particular with great sympathy and respect. the czech leadership, which in this sense words, in the ranks of the best not only leaders, but also cultural figures, public figures who clearly ask questions. no, putinism cannot win any victory under any circumstances.

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