kononenko, if you have information about kremi sellers, write to us at this e-mail address or simply on facebook, together we will send all the traitors after the russian ship. see you in a week on espresso. greetings, this is an espresso exclusive, my name is yuriy fi. today we will talk about security, about help from the united states of america, eventually when we get it from the american congress, well, we will talk about donald trump, and i will talk about all this with my guest today, he is an adviser to the 45 of the president of the united states of america, donald trump, on national security, john bolton. mr. ambassador, congratulations and thank you for joining me, it is a pleasure to be with you. mr. ambassador, my first question. will be somewhat

introductory. why is ukraine important to the united states of america, if it is important at all. i believe it is very important, and since 1945, the key national interest of the united states has been peace and stability in europe. we have come through the cold war and we really have great prospects for achieving these goals. however, due to russia's desire to reproduce russian empire, and although ukraine is not a member of nato,... ukraine's security is vital to the rest of the european continent, and therefore to the united states. you know that george bush proposed to admit ukraine to nato in april 2008 at the bucharest nato summit. and frankly, if our french and german friends agreed to this, then maybe we could avoid invasions in 2014 and 2022. okay, let's talk about the recent statement of the president. macron

that we should not rule out the possibility that in at some point in history, western troops may be stationed in ukraine. the administration of president joe biden has already responded, and john kirby, the coordinator of strategic communications for the white house security council, said that the only us military personnel currently in ukraine are those working in the us embassy. and there will be no other us troops in ukraine, but in the last few days there have been different opinions from various western leaders on this matter. some say that western forces cannot to be in ukraine, because that would mean further escalation. but some of them, for example, the prime minister of estonia, kaja kallas, said that we should not rule out such a possibility. your thoughts on this,

given that you are one of the best in the world in the field of security and foreign policy, and what advice would you give to the president of the united states of america on this if you were his adviser? i don't often agree with president macron, but i'm happy to say that this time i did. i must note that we are in the midst of the presidential election campaign, and think the administration's chances. biden to say they agree with macron is zero. this goes to the fundamental question of the overall us and western response to the russian invasion. two years ago. it is obvious that we could not stop the russians from attacking. in fact, i'd say we didn't even try very hard. one way we could go about it, in addition to several other things we could do, is to put more troops into ukraine, especially american troops, not to fight the... russians before the invasion to

training purposes, and let the russians worry about what an increased american or increased nato presence would mean. as i said, it should have been done differently, more economic sanctions, more rapid arms delivery, but the failure to contain the russians has been reflected in the two years of conflict in the constant fear of what the white house calls a wider war. this inhibits the strategic supply of weapons that would allow ukraine to conduct the war most effectively, which has largely led to the current impasse, in which we find ourselves in, so it's been very unfortunate to see the behavior of the white house, i think this indecision out of fear of provoking the russians is giving the russians what they want absolutely free. what do you think

about the bilateral security agreements that ukraine signs with various european and world countries? do you think it would be possible, or even better... to have such an agreement with the united states of america? it is an inadequate alternative to nato membership until we achieve what each nato member calls for our goal is to fully restore the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine. in accordance with nato practice, we do not accept members who are under occupation by an enemy state, because this immediately puts us all in a state of war. the first step here should be victory in the current war, the next step - ukraine's entry into the nato alliance. today we see that the threat is that russia is multiplying the transnistrian republic. i am sure that on the initiative of moscow, ukraine asked for protection from the russians, if this

will lead to more russian troops entering transnistria, then this will be a very bad development. we are in an unstable situation, we need. mr. ambassador, there are some world leaders and even european leaders who are still wary of helping ukraine, of providing ukraine with everything it needs to fight against the russian aggressor. is the west really afraid of an asymmetric response from putin, and that is why they are so cautious. if the russians try to attack nato members directly in cyberspace or elsewhere, they very risk, and they should know it. the fact is that all this concern about the possibility of a large-scale war presupposes that russia has the ability to wage a large-scale war. given

her failures in ukraine, i doubt it. even when it comes to nuclear intimidation over the past two years, we have never seen evidence of a move. caused them great difficulty, and yet the deterrent effect they exerted on us, on i believe that their military failures in ukraine actually hurt us all, on ukraine, on pity. about three weeks ago, the agency b... reported, citing its own sources, and i will quote now: donald trump is considering pushing ukraine to negotiate an end to the war with russia if he returns to power next year. this is the end of the quote. one of trump's advisers told the agency that the threat

of cutting military aid could push ukraine into negotiations, while increasing it would only provoke russia. can we say that trump is already on his way to his goal? in attempts to spend the last tranche of aid there is utter confusion through congress. and yet i hope that they will find a way to overcome these difficulties. the problem with the general budget for this financial year also remains relevant. now the progress of its solution is obvious. i think there is significant majority support in both houses to pass. unrelated issues such as the inability of the biden administration to pursue an effective policy on the mexican border against illegal immigrants are holding up the approval. however, i worry about trump because he, firstly, how the president announced the withdrawal of the usa from nato, and

secondly, during the election campaign he also promised to put zelensky and putin in the same room and solve the problem in 24. obviously, trump will not blame himself, it is not his fault, but i would be worried , that he will blame zelensky, and not his friend putin. therefore, in my opinion, trump's presidency would be dangerous for both the united states and ukraine. began to talk about trump, i will ask a question about him: what are the chances that he will win the elections this fall? unfortunately, he has a very good chance of winning now, biden is considered too old to be

president, he won't be any younger by november, and the democrats don't seem to understand that. i think the final decision will be made by a large group of american voters who... don't like either of them, and the question will be in november which one they don't like anymore, and that means the other one will win, that's not the best way to elect a president, but i think... that this is the perspective that we have, and it's impossible to predict right now, who will be more unpopular in november, can a court stop trump from becoming president of the united states of america? no, as strange as it sounds, even a convicted felon can be elected president, it's currently unclear if any of the four criminal cases will go to trial before november. and even if a jury returns a verdict against trump, he will appeal. i think

for many americans who don't want to elect a convicted felon president, that will be a significant factor, but even that is difficult say. trump's support has soared since he was impeached four times. and he became even richer, as far as i know, after that. a few weeks ago, putin said. more precisely, it was a week ago, said that it would be better for russia if joe biden became the new president of the united states of america, and not donald trump. and yet, in your opinion, which us president would actually be better for putin. putin, a former kgb agent, conducted another influence operation on american voters by saying that he supports biden. and all this in order to... make some people support trump, but i have been in the same room with putin and with trump more than once.

i've had several meetings with putin without trump involved, i can tell you that in my opinion, whether it's vladimir putin or sidneypin, america's opponents are looking forward to a donald trump presidency because they think he's a winning party for them, and that's one of the reasons why i don't think trump is fit to be president. they consider him a winning party, but what is it phenomenon? i would put it this way, trump's popularity among americans, particularly among republicans. why do some of them seriously consider him even a president from god? it's a bit hard to understand, but i think it reflects the opinion of many people who are quite alienated from the system. they feel that the democrats are watching them. trump

is deplorable, and they don't see themselves as deplorable, they don't like how they are treated by the educated elites, and they express frustration and displeasure by supporting trump, and i understand, and really in many ways i sympathize with their feelings, but trump is the wrong vehicle to express those feelings. that americans, i mean republican americans, will find the right remedy for themselves, i really hope so, we're working on it, we're working on it, are there any other candidates? at this point, no, i mean, i think it's realistic, trump is very likely to get the republican nomination, i don't see anyone who can stop him at this point, but the convention in july is still a long way off , and we are witnessing a very strange period in america how realistic is this threat? i

understand that this threat from trump is not even for the united states of america, but for the whole world. but are there any deterrents in the american legal system for the president, in case trump becomes the new head of the united states of america. the law must apply. of every citizen in the united states. trump claims immunity and has several criminal cases against him. the supreme court decided to consider this issue and make a decision. i think they are will make a decision against him. yes, there are limits, but he sees things through the lens of what benefits donald trump, and the laws and regulations that bind most sane, responsible citizens don't really bother trump. why do i think his second term will cause utter chaos? what is

beneficial to trump? can congress limit him in any way? well, they passed a law that tries to prevent him from withdrawing the country from nato without congressional approval. i believe that this is not constitutional. president has the constitutional authority to withdraw from treaties, even very good treaties. after all, there is no paper document in the world that can restrain someone who does not feel any limitations. if trump is re-elected, it will be a test of the american constitution and ours. constitutions, i think we will win in the end, he won't be able to do everything he wants, but he will push all the limits. i don't think there is any doubt about that. that is, if he decides not to help ukraine financially, no one and nothing in the united states america will not make him change his mind. they

can try to impeach him again . you remember, the first impeachment was related to the question of whether. and other such things, so there could be an intense political fight over many of the things trump wants to do, and it could reach the level of a constitutional crisis, which is one of the reasons why no one should expect a second trump term. and my last question. to you today, mr. ambassador, what do you think are the main challenges facing the world in 2024 and whether the world ready for them? the war in ukraine remains at the forefront, the war in the middle east is another very worrying situation, i think the threat of china doing something

somewhere on its indo-pacific periphery while the us and others are preoccupied with europe and the middle east, and yes...remains a very serious concern, this is a dangerous world, i fear that a weak, introverted america will only make this world more dangerous. thank you very much, mr. ambassador, thank you for joining me today and thank you for answering mine question. thank you for the invitation. well, it was the national security adviser to the 45th president of the united states of america, john bolton, and i talked to him about a lot of interesting things. in particular, about aid from the united states of america to ukraine, whether we will receive it, whether we will receive it in the event that donald trump becomes president, and as he said, trump has great chances, and about a lot of interesting things. well, my name is yuriy fizar, this was an exclusive on espresso. before meeting.

glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. me my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. ukraine can stop putin. biden appealed to the us congress with a demand. unblock aid to ukraine, how did the trumpists react? intervention scenarios. macron will initiate the introduction of troops into ukraine in the event of a russian breakthrough to kyiv and odessa. which of the allies will support france? frank and friendly conversation, special representative of china spoke in kyiv about the war and the peace formula.

results of lihuey's diplomatic tour of european countries. and about other things during the next hour we talk with politician and diplomat valery chaly. in the second part of our program, which will start in exactly one hour, there will be a journalism club. andrii yanitskyi and yanina sokolova will be guests of our studio. however, before we start our big conversation, let's watch a video of an explosive stop of enemy equipment. the bulava unit from the separate presidential brigade named after bohdan khmelnytskyi destroyed a russian tank for help pv of the drone and min as it was, let's see.

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our guest, valery chaly, politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. our conversation, mr. valery, with today's visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to turkey, this visit has just begun, and the meeting of president zelenskyi with president erdogan is also ongoing, as far as i understand, judging by the information tapes, the day before the office of the president of ukraine said that the topic of conversation with recep tayyip erdogan will be the peace formula of ukraine. the organization of the peace summit, the safety of navigation in the black sea, global food stability, and the release of ukrainian prisoners and political prisoners held in

the russian federation, of course, has joint projects in the defense and industrial sphere. mr. valery, over the past two years, we have seen many efforts by erdogan and erdogan's efforts to become a mediator between ukraine and russia, but every time. because of moscow's position, he could not stand between ukraine and russia and provide his mediation services. do you think that erdogan can now play an important role in a possible conversation about possible negotiations not in the format of ukraine and russia, but russia with world leaders and ukraine with the world leaders about the future of ukraine, about the withdrawal of the russian army from the territory of ukraine. well, let's start with such

a global question that you asked , and what negotiations can be about now, that is, i don't understand at all, er, where is the possibility of discussing such a format, negotiations, already clearly stated by the ukrainian side, regarding the position. well, the peace formula and the de-occupation of the territories, the protection of ukraine, a clear position to prevent russia from lying again with its methods, sorry for the slang, to separate everyone, that is, the position is known, the russian position it is also known, to record the occupation of the territory of ukraine, despite all the rules and regulations of international law, there is no subject of any mediation negotiations. here you asked for two options, the first option is the mediation of turkey in such a global process, yes, somehow, well, it is hardly

possible, there are many different arguments, but i will tell you this, here is some kind of mediation, it could be the united states, it could be a mediator, allies , such as britain and germany, france, that is, they can be. mediators, and what is the mediation option turkey between the kimiks, between russia and the nato countries, well, hardly, so if we talk about the mediation of the head of turkey regarding supply issues, well, the so-called grain agreement, well, he quite successfully achieved his goals and image goals, maintaining and increasing relations with moscow . and with kyiv at the same time, that is, it was a success of turkish diplomacy, and as it turned out, in principle, it lasted until now, although it is russia that destroys

such approaches, which, by the way, turkey probably noted for itself, but as a result , i can say that the diplomatic success was , and his here the role is personally big , as far as wider issues are concerned, then exchange is possible... prisoners are also examples of turkey's active work and success, well, in particular, you know, our guys from azo were under the agreements there for a certain time, so there is also in this in the plan, the mediation was working, but what about the mediation as you say between russia and ukraine, well, in general, this is a situation that does not look at all realistic so far, well , let's... wait for the results of zelensky's visit to istanbul, because it is already known, what he visited the shipyard there, where the corvette, the second ship of the class, is being built. yes,

who will be called hetman ivan vyhovskyi, this became known today, that is , turkey helps us and fulfills our orders and always cooperates with ukraine in the defense of the military in the defense-industrial complex. mr. valery, another event that happened yesterday, but is still being discussed today, is president zelenskyi's appointment decision. valery zaluzhnyi, ambassador of ukraine to great britain, despite diplomatic practice, despite any rules that exist in the world, in accordance with the vienna convention, the ukrainian side announced that zaluzhny will already be the ambassador to great britain, how correct it was, how motivated it was and whether

the ukrainian side was running ahead. declaring a stalwart ambassador to great britain before receiving greman? well, i will only comment on my part, foreign policy and diplomatic practice, after all, i am an expert in my issues, so here is the first position: the appointment of the ambassador to britain has not yet taken place, the appointment according to ukrainian legislation is implemented by the decree of the president, by the way, many do not even understand that even the decree... of the president is not yet the departure of the newly appointed ambassador of ukraine to the host country, he still has to take certain additional steps, then there are relevant orders in the ministry of foreign affairs, which for some reason now forgets , by the way, there is a countersignature of the prime minister, and the minister of legal affairs is submitting a candidacy, in the constitution of ukraine, even in the case of the dismissal of ambassadors, there is a position: that precisely these steps

of the president, they have be signed, countersigned also by the prime minister and the minister of legal affairs, although this is a very formal procedure in our country, but there were times when this was closely watched not only at the bank, but also at mykhailivska and hrushevsky. now with regard to this announcement which took place er before the party to whom the agrim is applied for. agreban is a request for agriman - it is a request from one side to accept a candidacy specifically for the position of ambassador and to give its consent. and it is accepted, well, as a rule, it is accepted, in principle in the world now, not to refuse, this some extraordinary moments, if they refuse, but nevertheless it is definitely not customary to announce, to announce it in advance, it is considered. this

may not be a démarche, well, it would be strange if a démarche was still perceived in the case of a candidacy, but it is considered a violation of international customary law, and in principle does not really correspond to the convention you talked about, because it is the vinnytsia convention on the law of external communications. about foreign relations, it is precisely the fourth article that says that the country must receive confirmation on agriman, well, that is agriman, confirmation. consent to the appointment of such a person to the position of ambassador, this does not apply to other diplomats, it also applies to the military for the positions of the atc, there is also a certain preliminary procedure for such a preliminary agreement, so as a conclusion, what was done by the ministry of crown affairs in ukraine was done on to my memory, not only mine, i think that my colleagues who work professionally in this service also know, this is the first time

this has been done, in other... friendly move or breach secrets, that's right, the main thing is that this and that is not accepted, not accepted in relations, as if it were not so friendly to us britain and other conditions, then we could simply refuse and everything, but in this case we will call on our british friends to understand our the situation for both us and the ambassador in... in kyiv, i really hope that he knew about such a decision, and i really hope, well, obviously the leaders of britain knew, otherwise i cannot imagine that riche sunok could not have known this, he knew , but did they know in the embassy in kyiv in british, well, that's another question, and with regard to our publisher k