[000:00:00;00] khrystyna remind me which committee of social policy and protection of the rights of veterans fascist lieutenant general of the ministry of internal affairs thank you, mr. mykhailo, for participating in the live broadcast well, then the broadcast picks up our colleagues, we pass the word on the relay project, let's watch it together, mr. serhiy, glory to ukraine, this is a program, the verdict, my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, march 29, the 399th day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers volodymyr zelensky invited sizinpinny as a guest and today the day of the eviction of the moscow priests from the kiev-pechersk lavra, the russians took two

-thirds of the bachmut, analysts of the institute for the study of war in the united states of america report, meanwhile, russian troops continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of march 29, russia has already lost 172,340 people in ukraine only in the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 610 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 3,6009 tanks, 6,966 armored fighting vehicles, and 659 artillery systems in ukraine 526 tractor volley fire systems 277 anti-aircraft defense means 306 aircraft 291 helicopters 5,5007 units of automotive equipment 17 boats boats 911 cruise missiles 2-239 drones 288 units of special equipment so on march 29, the day lavra was released from the rpc, solovyov almost bitten the tv broadcasts

of russian popes and zelensky the guest is waiting for the guest to sit and foam. we will talk about all this for the next hour. i want to introduce today's guest, this is oleksiy holobutsky, a political technologist . i wish you good health and i am glad to see you on our air. congratulations, i am also glad. so, today is a great historical day in ukraine , because today is the day of the release of the kyiv-pechersk lavra from the moscow priests in accordance with the decision of the ministry of culture , er, representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate have to leave the lavra, our correspondent dmytro didora is at the scene observing what is currently happening near the kyiv-pechersk lavra in the kyiv-pechersk lavra dmytro vitay tell me

please, how is the situation there , have the priests already packed their things or is this work still going on? well, i am watching a lot of parishioners of the moscow church or a branch of the russian orthodox church to the kyiv-pechersk lavra, what is going on there . greetings sergius greetings to all viewers of the tv channel espresso so now the service has ended in this church near which we are staying and the faithful have gone out and are in no hurry to leave . unfortunately, you will not be able to hear her, but when i asked her how she identifies herself as a ukrainian, she answered that she identifies herself as an orthodox person, and nationality is not important to her

. also, we just talked to a clergyman of the ukrainian orthodox church and he noted that they are not going to leave the lavra. and the fact that they were taking things away was a relocation and an order from the ministry of culture. there is no reason for them to leave the territory of the lavra, and they also asked me what i would do if i i didn't like the contract. i told them that i tore it up and signed a new one with another tenant , for example, but they said that they might even file a lawsuit and suggested that the kyiv-pechersk lavra reserve also file a lawsuit if they don't like it. the location of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is right here on the territory of the lavra. i also talked to lviv residents and asked them where they will pray if the clergy of the uoc mp leave the territory

of the lavra. let's also hear that it will be in the basements. let's stay where you want, let's be somewhere, well, ptsu uman well, there are those who will go, of course they will go, but they can too , i just heard that they say that ptsu is a political organization. the church of ukraine and also complained that the ukrainian church is now being split and they even say to journalists that we are provocateurs or schismatics according to theirs , and also at least remind that on december 31, the uoc mp lease agreement for the upper lavra expired and today, by order of the ministry of the interior, they must

to leave the lower lavra, but for now we see that some priests are still here and there are things that sergei dmytro can't stand . another question. and what is this process going on when the law enforcement officers are trying to prevent the moscow priests from entering these premises? that is, if there is an order of the ministry of culture, it must be carried out, and not only by the executive power, but by the ministry of culture, and by the popes of moscow, because well, it looks like there is a solution. they are not going to leave, and even come here with the police for execution of this order or the popes still hope to appeal everything through the court and they will remain in the kyiv-pechersk lavra for the time being, well, as indicated by one of the priests, they will not

leave today and will return to the court , and we saw law enforcement officers on na the entrances to the kyiv -pechersk lavra, some cars were checked, the cars in the trunks were also checked for explosive objects, the believers are not touched, people can calmly a-a be there and go to the territory of the lavra, and we also saw the vicar here today lavra pavla lebedya he came here in his black mercedes and immediately after the service everyone got into it and could enter and leave the lavra without any hindrance. pope from the kyiv-pechersk lavra, mr. oleksiy, i am addressing oleksiy holobusky. i have a question for you as a historian, and why do you think there are so many parishioners of the moscow church despite

the aggression, despite the fact that russia strikes on the territory of the ukrainian state why are they still so eager to defend the russian orthodox church, a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, why is there no cause-and-effect relationship according to yours? well , we will not smear everyone, so to speak, i think that a large part of the parishioners of the moscow patriarchy, they still changed their views, well, at least, at least on the institution itself, so to speak, in this branch of the fsb in ukraine, but listen, for 30 years, 30 years . they have been zombifying the population for 30 years. to orthodoxy yes, of course it has its consequences listen, well, you understand, i

was a witness, i have a lot of testimonies and everything else , all our leaders played all the games with orthodoxy, especially during the election cycles there, and lord, i remember when in this is how it was. it was nufria’s birthday there, and everyone was standing in line , both with embroidered shirts and without embroidered shirts, ultra patriots and not so ultra patriots, and they all stood in the same line to congratulate him. i don’t even want to say a word to offend, so to speak . so that’s all everything is absolutely more logical moreover, i will say that considering how much money they have earned in 30 years , they have enough money and the court decision is normal for them

. i think that you are a little hasty about the historic day. this historic day may not happen. ah, well, you understand when we enter . if it is clearly articulated that these are the enemies of ukraine. you have to fight accordingly yes, it begins to enter into a discussion about freedom, a viral departure about everything else . well, of course, this is in the hands of these priests and that church, yes. and i know many people who are supposedly absolutely adequate, well, supposedly adequate. all of them did the appropriate procedures, so to speak, which are carried out by the churches, not only

the moscow patriarchate, and they are connected in some way, yes, they feel some kind of responsibility, well, they saw usyk in the end, yes. well, here is the most famous boxer in our country at the moment, he is also, so to speak, i understand that he is against the eviction of the moscow patriarchate, he is simply not afraid. well , in this regard, he is quite sincere there. support and they are silent, but in the dark there in various other ways, they will of course help, help the moscow priests to work and in the end to stay at the kyiv-pechersk lavra, it is possible. i really hope for the political will of the authorities and law enforcement agencies, including yes, but but but a lot but remains, i say once again this process is from so much

so everyone is connected to this and how huge money resources were concentrated there and they diverged according to well you understand yes what what what how is it told to me by the priest i am there i have acquaintance well, hurry, acquaintance, we just go to one place there as a priest of the moscow patriarchate to one sports hall and i tell you well, you will stand there, well , i mean to the death, he says, you know that i have to protect these millionaires, i these millionaires i'm not going to defend it. that is, everyone who understands what we're talking about, i know how you are, there is a point, roughly speaking, the restaurant is there at one point where they say that you should be fired because he understands that he earns as much as he

he won't be used to earning anymore well, of course they are, er, i understand that this is cynical, of course, yes, but er, from the methods of struggle, this is meant in public . yes, i don't know, especially this pavlo got doused with gasoline and burned himself, for example, in the middle of the lavra. well, if would if i really believed in god, he simply believes in god and in this village, he does not believe in us . on the basis of which no one has presented us with documents that can be changed, i have already said that everything you have is definitely a lie, your channel is i was born here and those who should have already left live here, but i would make you and you do not have a passport going to go somewhere because that there are

people who lost their passports during the region somewhere they wrote that i'm already leaving, that i'm taking out of your family, the taxi driver says, well, the property was taken out of tokari , if you're not going to, come to the second apartment , if you were brought in today and they're taking you out, no one will do anything, so you won't be leaving, you know, the service will be supported tomorrow then he will not have any documents on easter that he would be obliged to . well, he is the main one, so to speak. there he led on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, he says that he will not leave there. does mr. oleksiy mean that the existence of the moscow church in the kyiv-pechersk lavra and the pochaiv lavra and in general in ukraine there are a lot of

parishes in them the largest number of parishes throughout the territory of the ukrainian state, this means that we will keep this network putin's network , which at any moment will turn into a serious internal front in ukraine, this network can be used for heating from the inside of the situation, we see many parishioners going to this church. well, we remember that putin spoke to zelensky on the eve of easter and said that what should we talk about in donbas? let's talk about the existence of the russian orthodox church and the russian language in ukraine, that's about it. ready to say what you will say about it, well , this is the most important danger from the very beginning, because it is a church, so to speak. yes, it is a religious organization, and here to it, of course, from the point of view of the legislation there, from the point of view there an international project is very difficult to approach. yes, we are all great. we know everything, there is a lot of evidence

, but here i will also say that political will was needed many years ago to make them pariahs, so to speak , to public life . i heard it and they tell it and it is evidence. if, uh, when the believers want to go to the psu, then or there, forceful methods were used against the hierarchs who wanted to do it, so listen, this is more serious , an organization with huge money with its power structures and with their support from moscow, so to speak. yes of course a but which is very strongly copulated under a religious organization and this resource is an asset , of course the russians will try to hold on to the last because it will always be an excuse, so to

speak, so they will lose will we achieve some hmm stable situation on the front, you don’t know peace agreements and so on, but it’s an ulcer. it will always and always will remain in ukraine until it is liquidated. and this must be understood, must be understood at such a, well, not populist level roughly speaking, it must be understood deeply, deeply, in this there is this phenomenon. i just don’t see it very often. there is an attempt to cover up certain vestiges of the population, and of course the moscow church does not like it, but there is also no such thing. well, it seems to me that there is no such deep and completely it is clear the approach to the moscow patriarchate as a structure which, well, here, you understand, so

much has already been said about it, so it is not even possible to repeat it, and what they are taking away now, well, let’s understand, there is really a lot written there every store of value was raided by everyone from businessmen, politicians and so on, icons, gold things and many other things. well, i'm not talking about the fact that cars were given away. well, all you can do is once or twice. well, they are not like that stupid, yes, they saw examples when the sbu found different propaganda and materials, so to speak, and they probably take them away. well, in the process of their eviction , they didn’t find yordyv tapes there again, i don’t know, kirill’s address to the orthodox in ukraine. all now they will depict, you see, this one speaks ukrainian exclusively. they are trying to show that they are like that

, let’s say that they are for ukraine against the war , they allegedly sometimes often say yes, but that’s all. already said how to fight for the moscow skeptic orthodoxy in ukraine, he sang there in a stupid voice, forgive us for showing this and remove small children from the tv screens , because this should only be watched by adults schismatic kov of the people of the orthodox vovku zelenskyi and sodomits to him, well, here the comments are of course superfluous, because there in general well, it is difficult to comment on something here, it is clear, but

still, well, how well, here you understand that they are transforming everything, what is it well, this is, so to speak, from this the problem is like this, and the skirt is. i once studied the study of the environment, well, a couple of years ago, and it’s a wonder that there are fewer wars in russian society and wars between ukrainian society. we have churches, well, there was a certain competition, so to speak, between different branches of orthodoxy and the russians, this is a church for them - these are people who know

- at the level of the communist party now e rpc is so to speak in a certain certain document, the alternative is to say yes, that is, they do not invest anything. i am not saying that ukrainians invest, but i am simply saying that involvement in the church in ukraine is higher than in russia, and this is of course a paradox in principle to a certain extent, judging by the picture, yes they constantly show there talk about their orthodoxy and in fact, they are less orthodox than the ukrainians themselves. well, in principle , thank god , we are a vitka state, and well, lately, at least, well, they don’t play like that publicly from advertising. sudomites well, considering that cyril and his entourage have been accused for ten years of a very common practice in their monastic

life there and elsewhere, that is exactly this sin for the orthodox sadovsky, yes, it also looks very ironic the decision regarding the branch of the russian orthodox church will not be decided at the political level, because it is clear that the existence of this church in the form in which it exists is still a political decision, what will happen if we hepatically imagine the victory of ukraine in this war . approximately in such a status that as a result we get there in two or three years, it is meant including the elections, because they will influence the believers of those who will vote in both the presidential and parliamentary elections. well, what in general

orthodoxy in ukraine is here, i say. well, just look at the people who, well, except for usyk, of course. yes, this is such an exception that proves the right. how many times have i not been there specifically for the processions? well, we must understand that part of our population is dying out. they just die out purely physiologically according to age, so to speak. therefore, this question will be resolved one way or another in a natural way to a certain extent in relation to the fact that the war did not start on february 24 . of course, it is a huge tragedy and we understand it that way. but they started killing ukrainians in the 14th year, and in the 14th year our territory was also annexed and captured . and what happened in our country, pro-russian

parties existed, they felt great , they took part in political life, and then they appeared in us, when they were already completely or covered , medvedchupov's simply pro-russian channels appeared, that is, they were here, but so clearly yes, then they blossomed normally, uh, they had huge ratings. everything was great, and now in the parliament, the shufrichs are sitting and everyone else is sitting, but they didn’t go anywhere, well, yes, there is no faction, supposedly. yes, but they are sitting, they excluded several people, they sit and vote like it is necessary as it is necessary that there is no deep understanding of the enemy, well, what are they all there for each other, so to speak, or godfathers or relatives, or whatever, so to speak, they all all the political life, this is what they all created together during the last 30 years, the apostle now avoid how it is on some have a contradiction on the question of who is to blame for the fact that putin

attacked ukraine, so in principle, i am afraid of this the most, so that, well, there are even constant conversations, there are even known leaders who are there about two - three weeks to victory they are defending, you don't need to give the russian language to putin, you don't need to pretend to russian culture to putin, let's create a normal russia in ukraine and watch our tv i 'm just that , i'm just skin on which they allow me to constantly say well, well, well, well, well, you don’t like my drinking, you don’t like drinking there, other experts , well, find others, they are. what the hell, i keep seeing some old russians, yes, who tell me, i’m already tired, just there , putin has cancer, putin’s hemorrhoids, putin’s more

something will soon be won by a nuclear war and all this is constantly being killed yes what uh and this then it will connect simply they then they will connect with each other and it will turn out a war can be won on the battlefield absolutely like that and lose in an internal situation, that is, to walk away from the internal struggle, because everything will be forgiven. well, that’s right. well, that’s putin with us . it was not the russian people who fought it. putin revealed it with us . - they are bearded, they are from ukraine, they have always been, they just look at this country a little differently , not there, on other issues, and lord, maybe life will go on until next year, for example , yes, historical, well, beyond any doubt

, oleksiy, that the information policy in including very important during the russian-ukrainian war , the great ukrainian russian-ukrainian war, you are always a welcome guest on the espresso tv channel , we don't watch other channels, because the channel, in principle, other channels are one channel, an informational telethon , but, obviously, we have to talk about including information policy and the pro-russian orthodox church branch and collaborators who, unfortunately, are still at large, and you have already mentioned it. should have been dismantled in the ukrainian government a long time ago, because we are talking not only about the deputies of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, about the deputies of the local councils, and there are a lot of them, and why, according to you , there is no such solution, a political solution

, we are constantly faced with what there must be some kind of political solution, but there are special services that work and clearly understand , including the rpc, because the rpc is not only there, it is a part of the ideology of the russian world, it is a very large structure, which, as representatives of the ukrainian special services say, deals with including the smuggling of cigarettes and god knows what else. why why? this is the whole system that exists, and it has not been broken, except that there is a boguslaev, but this whole system works as it worked in ukraine and it still works. are we going to lose here and in the dry kremlin, because people how they influenced ukrainian politics and influence as representatives, former representatives of the ukrainian armed forces there repainted as they write laws for us, which we live by or vote for these laws this is how it

will continue to happen when it stops when the very essence of ukrainian politics will change. for now, at the moment, we don't have a post of politics. this is not the politics of such a thing. we have one decision-making center and the others serve it in one way or another, depending on the function. that's why there is no politics here . i'll repeat myself once again. people are not some marginals, so what? well, there are some crazy ones there. yes, i remember these clubs of russian thought , so to speak, in ukraine, which were financed , the difficulties, the standards, they just collected crazy people, wrote budgets for them, and well, everyone was satisfied, let's say yes, but they did not have any influence. i understand that they, if medvedchuk brought them to them, then they just, well, it was completely useless reasons to count, for example, we are talking about people who are completely included in the political system

of ukraine, read, well, look at the biography of boguslay. well, he was in power all the life of independent ukraine all his life, he has been a deputy, he has more orders than anyone else , so to speak. and he seems to be a jerk, yes , a hero of ukraine, everything is wonderful according to his public rhetoric. you will never understand what he has there. well, only this conversation was published and showed who he is and there are many such people, many, many, simply they are embedded in our political system, and until then i do not know whether these people have ukraine in nato, or whether it is ukraine's accession to the eu or something events must take place. yes, when it becomes clear to everyone that we have no alternative with russia , never. well, we