[000:00:00;00] they they are always connected and they always carried out the campaign , they held a census in the churches, eh, as for the deputies, unfortunately, they are in the future eh in the regional council, they are in all the councils, except mukachevo and the mukachevo district. because here the deputies accepted the decision to remove them so that they do not have the possibility of a stove, what should be changed in this situation and pay attention to it, yuriy dziamulych , a journalist, the head of the innocent portal mukachevo.net, was in touch with us. so do not turn on and there will be a lot of interesting things, stay away from the stress. glory to ukraine , this is a verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko . have a good day and good health

. today, march 16 , is the 386th day of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers. the eyewitnesses say that where the ammunition is burning and the fuel is burning, in the past day, the aviation of the defense forces has struck 16 strikes on the market of accumulation of manpower and equipment of the occupiers, meanwhile, the russian the occupiers continue to lose personnel and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of march 16, russia has already lost 162,560 people in ukraine in the last day alone , the armed forces of ukraine destroyed a thousand orcs at the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,504 tanks, 6,810 armored combat vehicles, 2,539 of valerian systems 503 rocket salvo systems 265

air defense means 305 aircraft 289 helicopters 530094 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 97 cruise missiles-245 drones 257 units of special techniques about russia's hundred-year war with ukraine, a political epitaph to putin and what should we do next with russia after the victory, we will talk about all this for the next hour , i want to introduce today's guest - he is a people's deputy of ukraine, a historian, politician volodymyr vyatrovych p volodymyr good day good day to you thank you and i'm glad to see you in our studio. have a good day. congratulations to everyone . first of all, i want to congratulate volodymyr vyatrovych on the publication of the book. this is the book published by the fabula publishing house. it's called our centenary short essays about the long war are 45 essays that tell about the hundred-year history of russia's war with ukraine because we usually talk there about

the ninth anniversary of the great war with russia or one year of the great war, but for 100 years russia has been trying to kill ukraine and 100 national liberation competitions have been going on for years, obviously we are now in the finals of these national liberation competitions, so we will talk with volodymyr today about how we are working and how we are trying to overcome russian aggression for those who are in i will tell lviv that today at 6:30 p.m. there is a bookstore on svobody avenue 7, there will be a presentation of this beautiful book. come, it will be interesting . volodymyr will be there. meeting in the rammstein format let's hear what volodymyr zelensky said about this

meeting and the results of this meeting another meeting in the rammstein format was held for the tenth time ammunition for our soldiers artillery tanks defense of ukrainian thank you to the united states that coordinate rammstein and all our partners for their constant willingness to help. this is especially important now when it is felt that russian aggression is approaching the moment when it can be expected. there is no such terrorist who could increase his potential in confrontation with the free world . russia is not an exception. so , mr. volodymyr, we are dealing with the anti-putin coalition, which includes more than 50 countries. let's try to compare two coalitions: anti-hitler and anti-putin. what do they have in common and what is different about them, well, first of all, it is probably the common

values ​​that united this coalition, these are the values ​​of democracy, the values ​​of freedom, this is the task that they set before themselves to restrain this attack of the non-freedom world on independent states. that is, this what unites the modern anti-putin coalition of deheder. what differentiates it is probably the fact that the anti-hitler coalition actively joined the war , especially after 1941, when the united states of america joined it, right up to the immediate times in hostilities. now on the pity of the situation is that actually it is quiet in this world, it is not freedom in the form of the russian federation , ukraine is actually opposed to give thanks be to god thanks to our western allies with the support of the military with the support that we receive through rammstein but nevertheless, the hostilities take place on the ukrainian territories, the main soldiers participating in this are ukrainian soldiers , there is still a big difference in this

, it seems to me that this is exactly what allows putin to be ahead of to a certain extent, this anti-putin coalition in such a way that well, he already understands. he is already playing in the third world war at a time when this anti-putin coalition is trying to push the solution of this issue as far as possible, that it might turn into some kind of more global conflict. it seems that what exactly he was doing when the second world war was beginning and this coalition had just been founded , the only thing is that uh, really , the situation with hitler was such that for some time they tried to restrain him with some handouts we are also talking about the munich conference of 38-39, but after the attack on poland , great britain got involved in the war, france got involved in the year 41, the united states of america surrendered , that is, in principle, everything was quite dynamic, that is, the deterrent that came

against we now see the anti-giter in the adehydrov coalition with putin as a confrontation in which ukraine remains at the forefront, with the support of other western states, that is, there is no reason to complain because, in fact, the military-technical the help we receive plays a decisive role. but at the same time, i understand that in order to finally win this war, and for me the final victory in the whole war is, after all, the reformation of the russian federation, then it is obvious that it will be necessary for this task included not only ukrainians, but also representatives of other nations, who are just uniting the entire anti-puzin coalition, and we can say that the issue of the end of this war has already been decided after the great britain, germany and the united states during december and february, the united states made it clear that russia in its current form is not needed by the world, or

world leaders, and that, as biden said when he arrived in kyiv, russia will never win this war. is this obvious to the whole world ? and for russia, so that they won't win, well, on the one hand, we must not forget that russia is also taking steps aimed at forming its own, if we speak parallels , axis of evil, we are talking about china, we are talking about iran , that is, it is also liked here. they also direct their efforts to don't leave not to be left alone against the free world, on the other hand, it is necessary to understand what exactly our western allies mean by the fact that russia should be different, i am afraid that in such a weaker version, russia should be different, and our western allies should be satisfied by russia just without putin, that is, there is even what happened this week, the celebration of the film navalny is such a signal that the west is still trying to find good russians in russia

and make a bet on them, again, from a historical point of view, it is very wrong move because this repetition of old historical mistakes happened in, you know, somewhere in 1918-19, when instead of supporting the same ukraine or other nations that fought against bolshevik russia, the west chose belarus and apparently collapsed, so it was in 1991 year when, after the collapse of the soviet union, russia itself was recognized as the most reliable partner in which it was allowed to keep nuclear weapons, which invested the largest amount of resources , including financial ones, and as a result there was such a terrorist who now threatens the whole world again, and that is why i think that ukraine has a more powerful voice to speak about what, uh, to propose this idea that the russian one should be reformatted and gradually so that this idea takes root somewhere in the west, now it is already

it is discussed in some expert circles, it is no longer something. it is a completely marginal topic, but it is obvious that politicians of the highest echelon of the western countries are still afraid to voice it , well, actually putin himself says that there may be several states on the territory of russia that the russian people can be divided into cerebral people and uralic people, there are siberian people, he said there and so on, but returning to the bulk of this story with the oscar, well , it is clear that where there are film academies, what are they there that determine the best films? documentary . obviously, this is the decision of these film academics. it is not now, uh, you have already mentioned it, but isn’t there an effort, uh, not to make a simple, just to make a successor of putin out of the crowd, but to separate the crimes committed by putin and the crimes committed by the current russian people, well, this is a way of saying well, you see, we removed putin, putin is a war criminal, and

the entire russian people was under the oppression of this war criminal, he could not do anything. well, navalny, including navalny, is generally sitting in a prison, and this is an attempt to make good russians how do we always try to find them, well, i mean, before the war, we tried to find them, and now we are talking about whether there are, we are asking rhetorical questions , are there good russians, or is there not this attempt to divide into putin and the putinites, and well, russians with whom you can talk and leave it to them including nuclear weapons, because this is also a very big question, what will happen after the war and after our victory, whether they will be left with nuclear weapons, because it has become a weapon of blackmail in the hands of the russian federation, in some speeches and publications of western experts, this term putinforcevor, which dominated very recently, that is, less says everything about this, that this is putin's war, moreover , interesting theses have recently appeared

, uh, the tweet seems to be michael mchole's. where does he say that this is not putin's war, that it is the war of the russian people, that is, very correct understanding but if we talk again about those people who so far are not experts who make decisions, then here, after all , i completely agree with you, the desire to separate putin from the rest of the russian people and make those who have suffer the main punishment for this war, i absolutely agree that putin should suffer punishment for this war, but in fact in order to prevent some future wars. well, we have to understand that putin is far from alone behind this war. it would absolutely not happen to reformat the third the reich after its defeat in normal democratic germany as it became in the decades after 1945, if you focused your attention on the fact that in everything you not only hitler, the processes of disinfection affected every german, the processes of denazification affected this germany, germany was

divided into occupation zones in in germany , these processes of identification of demilitarization took place, that is, what allowed gave a chance to the germans, who, unfortunately, did not have the internal potential as a society to overcome this terrible disease of the inter realism, they were obviously helped in this by external forces, and the same is true in russia, the fact that for a year, in fact, there were no large-scale social and political changes in russia, we did not see any resistance movements, any large-scale protest actions, which would indicate that russian society has a healthy the potential to separate itself from this clique of putin, well, that it needs external support and simply do it with the hands of the russians themselves, that they themselves will be reborn to get rid of these imperial well, unfortunately, that won't happen, that's what you're talking about. no. one thing, but not about one generation of russians. because 10 years ago, i saw him at a book festival at

an exhibition on the big one, and there was a separate meeting, a separate evening, where the germans explained everything world representatives of which were in the hall about their guilt in the second world war, and that is, for me it was very strange because these were the children and grandchildren of those people who started the second world war took part in this second world war, can russia to realize and this process of denazification will come, because in principle they want to denazify us and demilitarize us, and in principle this demilitarization is the identification and deprivation of their nuclear weapons. apparently, this is the process that awaits the russian federation after our victory, actually, but for this we need our victory, for this we need defeat the russian federation will be headed only then will it be possible to start this process and again in this process, a lot of initiative

must be taken by the free world because it is hoped that the russians themselves will do it what will disappear , er, er, er, er, of tsar putin seems to me to be completely unreasonable. i do not see any such potential in russian society that they could do it themselves , what happened to the germans, so the first generation took this denazification literally very dramatically. the first years when it was carried out well, it was carried out under coercion and force, when they drove the germans to the excavations of the victims of the nazi regime, when the germans were shown in the pauses between movies in the cinemas, again , some kind of movie, newsreels were showing the crimes of the regime, up to which yes or no otherwise, virtually all the germans were involved. although, at least by their silence, all this caused, well, some non-acceptance, or the germans turned away , but in the end, the next generation really grew up

, which understood it from their predecessors. world war until the russians, er, do not come to such processes until then, we can repeat it, that is, even if the war stops, even if, er, putin is overthrown, he will be killed, he will commit suicide, he will be put behind bars, er nothing will change unless there is a process of depriving the russians of this imperialist heritage that they have been carrying here for hundreds of years. well, i just wanted to ask if they are able to grasp it and realize it, because that cruelty and what we faced during the last year of the great wars in and about the fact that people are not fighting against us, not people, i would say so because , for example, i grew up near russia in the sumy region and lived there for 16 years. i would never have thought that those people who live literally in

30-40 km from me that they will start killing of my relatives so that they will start destroying villages, that they will start shelling cities, that they will start raping women , that they will start looting, that is, they have had this for ages , this is a beast, and what do they have if they do not take offense there and do not talk about it, but we we see these atrocities, what is the reason for this, where does it come from, it is their special russian imperialism, if british imperialism consists in self-aggrandizement, then we are so good, we know better than others, we will make you gradually become like us, that is russian imperialism lies in the fact that they perfectly understand that they live very badly in very bad conditions and their task is to make everyone live in the same bad conditions, that is, to destroy everything that is better than them, this phrase that was constantly repeated by russian soldiers here in the kyiv region, and who allowed you to live so well. it really reflects the essence of the thinking

of an ordinary russian, to which gwin of this mechanism of russian imperialism, it does not change from time to time throughout history, starting from the destruction of baturin in in 1708, it ends with the campaigns of the russian army in europe, even in the poronov war, the first world war, the second world war. it was always accompanied by this russian perism with crimes and terrible destruction . of this russian mentality and they always left behind piles of shit, which they did in the kyiv region and other regions of ukraine. so i wrote as a witness, literally means what you say when a pile was left on the bed above the bed in the inscription above us толко звезды it seems to him that he was in the kyiv region for a week and there were actually a lot of such cases. that is, well, this is evidence

of the disease of this society, and putin , in this case, is only one of the symptoms of this disease. he is definitely not the cause of this disease. to reach an agreement there on the strategic issues of the war, skabeeva, for example, does not think about strategic things, it is necessary to free bakhmut at any cost, she says, and the temporarily occupied regions on the expert tries to explain what is needed. although sometimes you think and plan your actions and what they think according to the principle of a single position. a single country. we will hear and see. - anyway, the united position is one country, the second point is that it also understands

the stressful risks that can be connected with the delivery of fighter aircraft there, before it began, for example, the counter-offensive is large they will use the dashes for the second one a little. that’s why it’s 4, you need to understand that you need to calculate сейчас что потом мне кодга сообщение систояние. well, that’s how we are in volodymyr . it’s gradually being ukrainianized because they already don’t speak artemovsk bakhmut. the great war between russia and ukraine. i think that no, i think that we got a chance from history anyway, 30 years less than 30 years of the weakness of russia, which gave us the opportunity to prepare a little more for this war. that is, it is a war was inevitable, that's exactly what i'm talking about in my book, that unfortunately this war was inevitable, and the only thing we could hope for was to better prepare for this war, that's right, we could have prepared better, and it's obvious that if we

prepared better, it's possible you dragged out the beginning of this war a little more. it would be impossible for us to perceive the beginning of this war in a different way, because for many people, especially the beginning of a full-scale, large-scale war, it was just a shock, but again, i live in the north of kyiv region, near this one and one of those fraud that was heard the most after february 24. how could it happen, why did it happen, we did not expect that it would happen despite the fact that, well, as i try to show in my book, the entire history of ukraine screams that this could not happen, that this is what was going on and it is obvious that we had to prepare and our problem was actually that we were taking advantage of this weakness of russia and thought that this weakness would be permanent, but russia was growing pretty fast after the fall of the soviet

union, well, at least at the beginning of the 2000s russia was already preparing for this. that is why a lot of everything is combined with putin in this war, because, in fact, planned preparations for a full-scale war began precisely during the reign of putin, which means that it was putin himself who initiated it. putin is actually a part of this wider system of the so-called siloviki which unite primarily the fsb officers in other e-e even in the soviet post hibiscus polish hibiscus cadres but just at the beginning of the 2000s there was a favorable economic situation when russia began to earn much more from resources e-e funds on its natural resources and began to ambitiously put pressure on the world by declaring that ukraine should remain in the zone of influence of the russian federation and, among other things, it must be said that some kind of unspoken compromise with the measure that ukraine will remain in the zone of influence of e- e of the russian federation it might have been achieved if not for the ukrainians, who twice foiled these e attempts of russia to somehow consolidate its e

influence directly, whether in 2004 by putting its protégé viktor yanukovych through the falsification of the election, or in 2013-14 after turning ukraine away from europe to integration in russia again, that is, just after that, when these attempts to hold ukraine by political means failed, russia resorted directly to armed means, first before the hybrid war of 2014 , and after realizing that i even this it doesn't work, the so-called hybrid eyelash has now reached a full-scale invasion, which in terms of its scale and in some features resembles the events of the second world war, with which we started our conversation, you mentioned ordinary people who did not expect such an atrocity and such an attack by the russian federation and the russian troops. but we had large analytical centers, including those about state structures. i remember very well how before yanukovych. or maybe it

was already under yanukovych how did you draw conclusions about possible risks or about the dangers that may await ukraine, and there was simply excluded the point that the russian federation is a potential threat to ukrainian statehood, you were tangential to state structures in general because you worked as the director of the archive institute of the security service of ukraine, what do you say, did you see whether we had analysts who clearly calculated, especially after 2008, after the russian attack on georgia, whether they calculated that putin's next step would be a war against ukraine before, first, before 2008 in fact, there was none. and actually, already working in the security service of ukraine, i remember a lot of different kinds of analytical documents , strategic documents, defense strategy documents, which talked about the fact that the entire

ukrainian defense strategy was built the most likely western strike is 2008, there was no point about russia, it's true, then it only appeared just after the aggression in georgia, but until imagine, until 2008, we were waiting for a western strike, so even if you look at the military infrastructure of ukraine, the location military units were mostly in the west in return for providing some needs of the military of ukraine, i.e. the military were mostly in the east, that is, the logic in absolutely continued the soviet logic that so we will be attacked by nato countries that are not friendly to us 2008 year, certain transformations really began, that is, the georgian threat led to the fact that a certain rethinking took place under yushchenko's rule, it is obvious that certain processes were launched in order to change everything, but in 2010 yanukovych came to power again and very systematically again we were deprived of any -what tools could

prevent this russian aggression, and we are talking not only about some strategic documents , the defense strategy of the regional council of the security service of ukraine, but also absolutely directly , the russian agency heads the key defense department and its task was, in essence, the liquidation of everything that could become the basis for the resistance of ukraine, starting with political decisions, the kharkiv agreements that were pushed through the parliament, obviously even then it was clear that this was being done and why it was being done, and unfortunately , those what kind of people are these other shafts of those people who were even there from the presidium under umbrellas, i mean mr. lytvyn, who is directly lost to the weakening of ukraine in this regard and to specific practical things, this is really personnel issues, the disarmament of ukraine, the issue of the destruction of education, too, dmytro tabachnyk, now let's really move on to humanitarian policy, that is, they were absolutely targeted , dmytro, television was one of the key

tools in the establishment of the russian world in ukraine, it's about history, it's about the ukrainian language, remember the law kivalov's wheelbarrow, all this was done in the direction that ukraine would move towards belarus, that is, the plan was not that ukraine should immediately conquer, no, and it would be quite enough for russia that ukraine would become belarus formally independent, in fact, it is a puppet state that is controlled from the kremlin, and it was the uprising of the ukrainians in 2013-14 that disrupted this puppet and the scenario and pushed russia to the point that something must be done, ukraine must be returned. and that is exactly why russia has already resorted to direct er-e in some instruments of armed aggression, and this is precisely what showed then a complete lack of readiness, and now you know when a lot of people complain that in 2014 it was necessary to fight for crimea , ukraine was not ready at all, that is

the ukrainian army actually did not exist, that is, the systemic ukrainian army was being destroyed. i remember very well those first weeks of march 2014, when the army was created literally from wheels , in particular, by those former maidan activists who simply went to the front from the maidan as volunteers , how all the volunteers appeared - the battalions that changed the situation at the front because the army, well, those who at that time were considered the army, they were not ready to fight , and even psychologically they were not ready, it is not just about what equipment, that is, only then when those who were angry enough after the maidan appeared at the front and were ready for some kind of revenge for the losses we suffered on the maidan, the situation began to change psychologically, and then, thank god , the state picked up on it and began to build a certain defense infrastructure, but even in these matters we were not consistent. in 2019 , the government changes, all this is normal for a democratic state. it is good that we have periodic changes of government, but when a certain mr. taran comes to the post of minister, who

actually fails in defense for two years in a row order eh, despite the threats that have not disappeared, despite the fact that the war continues, it is obvious that this greatly weakened the country and it is obvious that this prophesied to russia that oh, this is a chance, this is an opportunity to do something with this country. by the way, taran has already left to his country in slovenia, if the words or slovenia of slovenia are the same for putin we have already started talking about how putin went to this war , it is clear that 20 years of his rule in the russian federation eh it was his way, his personal way to eh subjugate himself ukraine , that is, he put his entire political career, even his life, on the subjugation of ukraine . there

, before the u-turn of the president of ukraine back to russia , viktor medvedchuk becomes the head of the kuchma administration of president kuchma viktor medvedchuk becomes the godfather of vladimir putin and dmitry medvedev through his wife later in 2004, poisoning until now, no one can say who poisoned yushchenko with carbon dioxide and how, until the end, presumably with the participation of ukrainian security service workers, who were obviously parallel to their counterparts in the fsb, where satsyuk was the first deputy head of the sbu - this is a friend of medvedchuk from business circles, even from banking structures. e-e a bet on yanukovych congratulating yanukovych as president in 2004 , putin made and in principle overturned the decision was of the center in the bor supreme court was the third round, then throwing russian money into the ukrainian party into ukrainian politicians