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hello and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate this week. we are in the wrong a is central can you know, according to the national statistics, one, every 8. can you is confused alcohol? not a very big number, but when you consider the 42 percent of those who drink are considered to be alcoholics, then question mark stuck to a rise while wishing central kind of one of the most affected regions to try and find out why no society can do to address this, and i want to begin with to maria. do you mind sharing what your journey through addiction and recovery has been? i feel like i've struggled with alcohol addiction for 13 years. well, since my 1st drink, basically i haven't been able to drink nicely or properly as most people would say . but at what point did you realize that, hey, this is beyond just the usual drink over the weekend? it's beyond the dependency. it's something else i used to tell myself, i did not have a drinking problem on this. the i never, i would call myself on alcoholic just for less just for guides. but interest,

i really did have a drinking problem. i wouldn't wake up and drink, but i would get a whole, but let's say 750 a male, m zynga and finish it all by myself in my room. i would maybe go with friends, they would drink nice and responsibly, but i would always drink to blackout. yeah. yeah. do you remember what time at what point you felt like you need to drink in excess of probably when my father died. honestly, all my life, i think my father struggled to that dixon over the alcohol, basically. and it was never, it was an open secret. you know, his family never really spoke about it. he never spoke to us about it. but we could all see that he's struggling with it. i think he went through. we have 3 times. yeah. i think when he died, i felt, oh, oklahoma took him, let me so oklahoma who's both, you know, it's a huge mistake and we'll come back to to that in a short while. but you were talking about recovery and you're literally just these

into your recovery journey. 5050. how many days? 56. they all come back to nations. how late are you feeling like now? i feel so good. it is. i feel so good because alcohol easy me something i've struggled with for like over i think, 15 years plus. yeah. and it's not the normal thinking like i have a drink or afraid and that's it for the weekend. you know, it's daily drinking from morning to evening. and that sort of attend monday, sunday, so i can see it like for now i am so happy i gotta wake up so, but i know what is happening here. i'm not drunk solely any. i'm so glad that you. and so rather i liked that. and for you again, what was the point that's which you felt. all right, this is it's, i need to turn my life around or something is not going to work out in the end. i have a son and i have not really been a part of his life due to the disease. now the question is,

if i'm not to be not part of his life, for like the longest, i'm new standing 11 to see a and it took me i'm so but i'm glad i feel disappointed in blood. it took me almost 11 years for me to come out of it. but i'm so glad to know. i couldn't do that for my son. you know, to jumped the gun to anything. but i know i know you had said that you had tried recovery before and you kind of slipped and fell back into it. are you hopeful that this time it will be different? oh yes, i'm very, very helpful. because this time zone may have power of lifted sleeves. so i'm so ready for the john. yeah, yeah. okay. so on, i want to introduce you because you'll also a recovering addict. but beyond that, you also have a community based organization working very, very closely with communities here who are struggling with alcoholism. so based on what you've had and your own personal experience, how wide spread is a problem of alcohol abuse and addiction and can you, in fact, you should be to get a national disaster. because actually we are losing a lot of people to

a whole isn't more than about drugs and other this is put together uh, addiction these assume vista. this is in that is the reason why we not. we can say that we have this to states, but this picks right up some of the $300.00 plus signs. because like in they really just what they do when the possum dies from a call is and nobody talks about it to come to them which are up to that event. not time smoke pm. know, be done with the cause of death a times that much event took them to them, whichever they just buried. so we don't really know how many people we are losing in a week incoming. never. we lost more than 2020 people and now we cannot say of that . it's just the people who are drinking because the, the ej ej ej. a group that we bought, it is between 59 and 74. so you can see now that it's not, not just the team to just just just say your but even if those people. yeah. so it is a big problem. they've got to close the book. we can also use this group of people to reach the point. it's anybody can come, you know, uh, kind of get dropped into the, into the addiction. well, it's a, it's, it's,

it's really deep and it's really duck. i like that. we've established that these, obviously a problem. and i think these a double problem here because the list sits brew question has been brought up the bus the dies alcohol. but john, i want it to come to you because you are youth leader and you decided that your organization, jo jen got to meet initiative, which is like a full build the community of the society initiative to tackle this problem. why was it so important for you? it was very important to me because of my, my grand father used to drink. he was that the deal dated drinking officer. and then there was the c 90 of that he was sitting. he's 21 is a flat. and then drinking to that has to finish. and then he died leaving he's a kid in the struggling and even to date the state of struggling. so i felt if someone had least, if someone have stopped the fighting again, is that many,

maybe my grandfather would not have died. and then uh, talking to women payments because um, most of our festa to and then supposed to try to use me to come see the judge is these, my child is the medical policy. and my child that lived on maybe stopped to use the education. it just because of alcohol is him. so i felt to know these these time for us to reason. but, and before we proceed, nobody ever take their 1st drink thinking that they're going to end up into alcoholism. so what leads one into that sort of spirals such that you're no longer have control. it's not the one most thing and not always tell people we chose to drink, but in the entire while, nobody chooses to become an alcoholic. and so we go through the face, they just become how spice they just the experiment away you experimenting before, shall we just to look at because they are functional. and then instrumental is when you stop getting blackouts,

then we have to have be trusted. a be to be just that just when now you go to even try to come out. you cannot come because i already did the brittany is addicted. the body is addicted to the drug. actually, it's not you with making the choice. it's not you abusing that drug. it's not a drug abusing. you'll see that schedule stage where by it's all about the last as soon as the a job, just us telling you things. and then you lose yourself, watch surface team and it leads no disappointment for some they'll just have to be coming to say do this, but having to say the ideas shown yes. um and you said that you lost quite a number of people in your family is because because of alcohol use in my family, we have that problem. we brought in quite a number of cousins. my dad died in the road that's been trained and the maintenance of alcohol. my sister drive visited the complications. my brother has had been to rehab 15 times and still he didn't make it to a better team 3 years ago. i lost my nephew as well. i'll go to let the competition may need sort of outgoing data complication. so we have a number of groups that are like, what are you listed?

so it's really wiped out to my family. yeah. so let me just hear from the people who are in the audience, right, because we are hearing but parents and families being addicted might be a country. it's in fact, did any of you grew up with parents where you would say what dependent or alcohol excuse, raise your hand. let's see. can you please tell me about your story? my name is ada, and i think alcohol isn't something that both of ownership did with that. and for sleigh bed. and when i was growing up, was finding myself like when it was a kid. like my father would come down like fight like big mama you see and and some things, for example, in my family we, i couldn't. what do you see we, i couldn't what do you agree with for the drum, the drum you see. so we find ourselves like, for example, the 1st ones, in fact, the 1st one, all of us we have done cut. does that include you?

i would say is you say, but what we see is that we would like for sure what we would like to stop in sometimes we uh, even we come up with like the fuzzy fuzzy deals. we feel like incomplete. we say no to be there, but do you see like we can slow time for that blood? we got that. you see, because that we got that thing. yeah. a. all right, so let me ask stella question here. still has been sent by a local government representative here. we called them mc as members of the county assembly. and i'm just wondering when you hear people speaking here, this is not a problem. one generation, it's 23, sometimes 4 generations deep. so we had to even begin to tackle it. the only way we can tell quote it is if we start from the onset, you know, from the fun. but you say team, this is hatch to the, to the leadership bit. because as, as we're seeing, what's the level of motion toward this alcohol alcohol or what introduced to us from iowa in the ages of those which would use to do the classics class 7. you know,

before it's at home when it comes to what, what the lead that she is doing right now was i think for the last few is, miranda has really had a big problem. but i think over the, as you can see, that's more on the has the steps that have gone that we need is a look that has, has been taken in place. and that is that you can be able to. yeah, yeah. and you can not see a drunk mind walking around and shouting at us, but in the absence of them in here in the town does not mean the absence of them in the entirety. i mean, we all come from rural homes. we know they drink who quoted deep, deep interior. this is, i'm seeing the steps that you guys say, you're not as black as was okay, but it's still something that you're struggling with. as i said, one of the things that our content simply has to be able to do and the govern. 9, the oldest empties that they are working towards. i use bill. they used to be is, or it's a program that calling the m y s. were like solve use. so these m y s is that thing particularly you with who are most actively involved in nbc?

no it is. they wake up, they have no idea to go. so these young people have been kick in given walk to do for 3 months and upbeat for the walk. and then these young people decide, is this something i would like to learn as a student? that would make me feel more useful? well, on that it was like for pick up like was a fee, you know that they'll be for a desperate a. they have nothing to do with that later. let me, let me hear from john. i not very good on site of uh, victory that go with the government. but i'm here to see that go, government is doing nothing. oh, it is doing thought the not being, as far as alcohol is even, is going to send a vessel said m way is, is, is not meant to head the audience. if these mans to, to help few just to give them um how she likes, but don't to agree that that's a step in preventing people from being disillusioned and potentially falling into alcohol abuse. but to me, i think that these are you still funny, okay,

because what these should be done is these at hospitals in, in can, you devolved the quotes of the code. the government being sold is publishing every have the additional incentives in every, in every hospital. so the woman that is sick and go there access medication and then take him to m m y. yes. okay. so you think they have it the wrong way around? let me hear from on here because she's aging to speak to me. yes. you guys in india, it of people who are failing us, is that going to governments that come to the bank and look at them and it has been devolved. and the money to collect from licensing of bus is supposed to go to 2 twins, rehabilitation, public education, a book us the insights of your support. right now we don't even have a come to go up on the um, a funded tournament facility, as we speak. now, we don't have a ticket. that's not the 1st time that you're supposed to go to that. what is the app all the complete control up to what i'm seeing. is it in place?

how big plastic? because we have the meeting with the deputy but it's been palostio and was was supposed to come up with the goose control act. what have they done? the boat it up on had the boat do okay. something i haven't had the boat to. let me, let me, let me. i like some things with what the treatment and do i have the additional is not for me. what for what building loads. all right, let me just bring all this up to speed. the alcoholics drinks act is what regulates the control of sale for production and distribution of alcohol in this country. mccorda, which is what you, wherever here is the national authority in the campaign against alcohol abuse and drug addiction. i know you've been told you are doing nothing. you have to give you a test response that the government has, has a very big stick on prevention and i'm going to rate if they could reach and because they have vision for those already addicted they need, they need help. they need to, i can just in the account to be able to been a fruitful because especially to able to give that to you. if you're someone who is addicted and they go to school,

they couldn't get that to you. we have something that calling though the any type that he's the free any to if that he's from the county department. thanks that. what do you think it is called cutting? i take you all the wonder of what people have set you able to apply in the gift card and this card is paid by the code to the method is going to the people. so if somebody has someone who is 80, they bought 2 gift cards and when the special needs came any which is my side or whatever, plus need to be kind of cool. yeah, i think i'd go gets treatment in and get oh and so talking to the resources that are already available and i want to bring in kind of here kind of is i'm excited to just see what's behind the bar. you wouldn't expect to see me in the debates like this and yet see a, he's a no one to is this such a thing as responsible drinking? yeah, i think uh, i think it's fair depending on the website that you, us having. because i've seen examples of how i used the height of the box and i'm having some guys that this guy will say, okay, fine, i want just take one bushy and go home because i'm driving all my life threatening

me at home. so i don't need to drink so much, obviously not everybody who takes alcohol and drug and alcohol leak and alcohol. i was also reviewed, you know, of cultures, we have different names for different rights around it. so what is a healthy relationship with alcohol? like, how would you describe it or to meet the 2 has to revolve around drinking responsibly while driving? yeah. no. let's just take on the drinking. just respond because you can just on the and the more, the more like the hall, the hall tree. all right, so we should have those people was how playing alcohol and they beat the dispute. it didn't without. we have specific distributors who are licensed by the government, which supply to places other than having quite the waiting and speed here. and there is the document, and that's how the things that we are know supposed to be taking. okay, let me come back to evans phone here because we were talking about eliciting bruce earlier. right. and this is a primary reason for people landing themselves in hospital. what's coming close?

i mean some of these drinks we of them came across including the fee and then the cpanel that of um we already had levels showed novia having it at low call home preparations. but of course being a, a, b, p a, that homes then the already packaged. and therefore, we are seeing if people are losing sights and getting and keeping the conditions, you know, people getting it you know, i called poisoning and for that too much i even, um, blocking out. and this is why you were talking about uh, going to a trusted distribute to, but listen i, i enjoy my glass of wine at the end of the week. like any other person, right? but i don't want to have to think about who the distributor was. so as a consumer, is it possible to protect yourself against elicit bruce?

so i just, i don't think so. oh yeah. yeah. and we have boxes that are 40 licensed. that's actually display the good alcohol up from. can you breweries and know that and the bathroom is we have the feeling that they need to know what and flip a mixture. so it's not that this, this uh, this elicit brucell being sold in some, uh, should the places that are being sold in the box. uh ryan, talked to me, but do take blue cross and go on. so trace of done luca. uh, quoting it to this would be the original and then in my tell yeah. so you've had an experience where you bought alcohol over the counter thinking it's a brand that you are familiar with and then what happened to did you get and well, yeah. okay. i want to know about what's happening with men here with families. talk to me about that because you hear from me lees have broken and we are having a lot of a single parenting. so sometimes when a mind fails to maybe achieve that,

is one's beatty's of the find me a month, it's to hide and a very, to have these little alcohol easy and i've that drugs. so that's what we're having a lot of us drinking. it's just because this is lacking 5 us ok. so broken families, lack of education from the kids who being left but because you focused on men and it is true that one and 5 men do take alcohol compared to one in every 20 women. but the women also drinking for you, you talked about having a child who you hadn't seen, how is the relationship with your parents and with your family during that time it was terrible because no, me not being there for my son means my son know has to have someone to look up to him, you know, that's giving other people responsibilities that's really didn't meant for them. yeah. but really we haven't spoken, you know, well, knowing what you know now and doing the podcast to try and help people with

dropping with the same thing. what do you think needs to be done more by us as a community by governments and other stakeholders? first and foremost, of course, is to talk about it. as i said, mine with my father was an open secret. why is it an open secret? why not bring the kids together explained to them? this is what's going on either father or this is what's going on with your brother or alcohol has taken a hold of your mother. you know, the more we speak about it. and the more we like we, as people in recovery are able to explain what we went through, how we wish things that have been different. that's the very 1st step that we need to take. okay, of course, let me hear from and because i know you have the solutions and you already implementing that, i think it's the costs for collective responsibility where we cannot said that the section of the government will do this. maybe not the will do this or the national go is everybody. everybody has to come on board from the individual to the family, to the community,

to the county government. national government rehabilitation doesn't have to be expensive to be effective. we can do it a bit of the village level where we have people who are actually bringing this together because what about some of the substance use this or the needs is love and acceptance. so the moment we stopped pushing them out the what do we have the accepted and we have the accepted in the drinking dance in the drug, then that is we have the be actually good. that is where the state of things and take yeah. much as i emphasized with that, so it's very difficult for a family who is currently trying to do with the person who's addicted to, to, to share love. because they steal from you the lie to you. you know, where do we find the grace to extend to them? it ended up being rehab because somebody brought up the good to me when everybody else will just bring up. bringing up the bab, someone came and told me on your beautiful you have telling, tell didn't you in a public space you can make a difference in this mission. that's how i ended up in the twins frustrated. but everybody kept telling me how useless i was. so i became

a distance of myself from anybody, was close to me because of the people who mean up to the question you're drinking. other people who love you, but the approaches over on their purchase order on. so if we can educate them to embrace this before and make them know the best fit people will need professional help. we will get the break. so okay, is the club g? is the shake the the cab is, are they doing enough? a religious bodies involved a fund. we are doing nothing. me. when i is bought the vehicle, i was only program or you went to them to me that charge the glad human. not my charge, but the internet that anymore on any fuck, i just thought that to be the more than that, if i do the a plus plus we use the dummy but wrong very very. we have people who took phones. i just thought that the building is a to me thing. how can you are dying to be seen us? how can you mingle, we the gland, gods, and i think it's like they have the,

i'm judged our youth. they have judge eh, the alcoholics and forgetting that the sent by god to seek to stop for souls. so to me, i think the judges through today's up the judge, you should not be monday or the, and id vig judge to dispel being judge mental. and the judge should not, and to show the stop would be more now using alcohol easy. let me hear some other solutions from the site and are you wanted to say something? i think we need to come to a place we have by as a society is initial, we have talking about preventive conditions starting from schools because i did look at these quotes and you may be thinking even that you've been don't, i'm not exposed to drugs, but let me tell you that his lawyer is has to be the drugs as so much. so we need to go back from there is cool cheese in your organization and everywhere the society and speak much about probation. okay? so kind of what you'll do the 2nd to last last class, and again, is this such

a thing of ethical partying? because you don't want to tell people what they kind of kind of drink. but is there a way for us to enjoy to be brought to being excessive? i have a lot of stories with my clients. we make kind of apple. we have like kind of experience . we have talking about the things that are affecting them. so when, while they are drinking bodies, when they often and you realize that if they have a problem that is, wouldn't have like a top to seek to go about. yeah. so there's the scenario. maybe you find maybe someone who's been drinking, i'd run both to you the sick and go to you or the tod cop to do you feel like you need to go to the 5th to talk to him. right. and if you observe that possible, i think he has a site, he has reached his limit. like i said, just may be a glass of water turned out sometimes. uh uh, organized for like a buffalo to take to compliant hold on because i'm behind the bob and it's business

. all right. it has on economic impact told me have to save. yeah, but i like what you said. so being your brother's keeper. all right, so sure, well, we want to rough with you. if you had a chance to, you know, go back in time to when you 1st touched your 1st book to, what would you tell that version of yourself. so what would you tell anybody who might be watching, who is struggling at any stage of addiction? i would tell myself, she please don't eventually. it's because it's on funding begins. i mean, i got into it's not wanting to be and i didn't get nobody wants to be and i did. it was all fun and games until now. the people is to drink. we have now the concrete, but now i'm left because of i didn't know if a consequence i couldn't get out of it. now i just have to keep getting hired over and over again to numb the pain and the means that yeah, so tell them i on that. so please, please, please. she just keep both tracks. don't stick it in that fussy ok. yeah. well, thank you very much for your thoughts and to all of you, we asked a simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is the problem?

evidently, a very complex one. and the answer to that problem, if you asked me a lot of compassion and grace, thank you all for watching the the,

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