people have to say this too. that's why we listen. because every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate, we chose to drink. but in the entire while, nobody chose this to become an alcoholic. anyway, for me, we are good and what are you looking for you? what was the trunk then drunk? what do you think needs to be done more by us as a community by governments and other stakeholders? the judge? how are you? the have jacked eh, alcohol each, so tell them i understand please, please, please. she just people that don't stick it in that fussy hello and welcome back to the 77 percent debate this week. we are in the wrong uh,

is central, can you know, according to the national statistics one, every 8th kenya is confused. alcohol, not a very big number, but when you consider the 42 percent of those who drink are considered to be alcoholics, then question mark stuck to a rise. well wishing central kind of one of the most affected regions to try and find out why i know society can do to address this. and i want to begin with to maria. do you mind sharing what your journey through addiction and recovery has been? i feel like i've struggled with alcohol addiction for 13 years. well since my 1st drink, basically, i haven't been able to drink nicely or properly as most people would say. but at what point did you realize that, hey, this is beyond just the usual drink over the weekend? it's beyond the dependency. it's something else i used to tell myself, i did not have a drinking problem on s t. i never, i would call myself on alcoholic just for laughs just for gods. but in truth, i really did have a drinking problem. i wouldn't to wake up and drink,

but i would get a whole bottle excessive in 50 a male m zynga and finish it off by myself in my room. i would maybe go with friends, they would drink nice and responsibly, but i would always drink to blackout. yeah. yeah. do you remember what time at what point you felt like you need to drink in excess of probably when my father died or mostly all my life. i think my father struggled with that dixon over the alcohol, basically. and it was never, it was that open secrets, you know, his family never really spoke about it. he never spoke to us about it, but we could all see that he's struggling with it. i think he went to have 3 times . yeah. i think when he died, i felt, oh, oklahoma took him, let me so oklahoma who's both, you know, it's a huge mistake and we'll come back to to that in a short while. but true, we're talking about recovery and you're literally just these into your recovery

journey. 5050. how many days? 56. they all come back to nations. how are you feeling right now? i feel so good. it is. i feel so good because alcoholism is something i've struggled with for like over i think, 15 years plus. yeah. and it's not the normal drinking, like i have a drink or afraid and that's it for the weekend. you know, it's daily drinking from morning to evening and that certain monday, sunday, so i can see like for now i am so happy i gotta wake up so that i know what is happening here. i'm not drunk solely any. i'm so glad you. and so right the i liked that and for you again, what was the point? that's which you felt. all right, this is it's, i need to turn my life around or something is not going to work out in the end. i have a son and i have not really been a part of his life due to the disease. now the alcoholism, i'm not to be not part of his life, for like that long. his time needs bending 11 to see

a and it took me i'm so but i'm glad i feel disappointed in blood. it took me almost 11 years for me to come out of it. but i'm so glad to know i couldn't do that for my son. you know, to jumped the gun to anything, but i know i know you had said that you had tried recovery before and you kind of slipped and fell back into it. are you hopeful that this time it will be different? oh yes, i'm very, very helpful because this time zone may have power of lifted sleeves. so i'm so ready for the john. yeah, yeah. okay. so on, i want to introduce you because you'll also a recovering addict. but beyond that, you also have a community based organization working very, very closely with communities here who are struggling with alcoholism. so based on what you've had on your own personal experience, how wide spread is a problem of alcohol abuse and addiction and can you, in fact, you should be to get a national disaster. because actually we are losing a lot of people to a whole isn't more than about drugs and other this is put together uh,

addiction these assume vista. this is in that is the reason why we not, we can say that we have this, this, this, but this picks right up. so the $300.00 plus signs, because like in a village is what they do when the person dies from a call is and nobody talks about it, it took them to the mortuary of to that event, that time smell, pm. no, we don't know the cause of death, a things that i'm not even to come to that much of it just buried. so we don't really know how many people we are losing in the wake. in kevin, never, we lost more than 2020 people. and now we cannot say of that, it's just that young people who are drinking because the, the ej ej ej. a group that we bought, it is between 59 and 74. so you can see now the, it's not, not just the team the just, just just a use, but even if those people. yeah. so it is a big problem that's across the board. we can also use this group of people to reach the for, it's anybody can come, you know, kind of get dropped into the, into the addiction. well, maybe it's a, it's, it's, it's really deep and it's really duck. i like that. we've established these

obviously a problem, and i think these a double problem here because the list sits brew question has been brought up the bus to dies alcohol. but john, i wanted to come to you because you are use leader and you decide that the to organization jump, jen got to meet initiative, which is like a full build the community of the society initiative to tackle this problem. why was it so important for you? it was very important to me because of my, my grand father used to drink. he was, i need you dated drinking officer, and that was the c 90 of that he was sitting. he's 21 is a flat. and then drinking to that has to penny and then he died leaving he's a kid in the struggling and even to date the seat is struggling. so i felt if someone had raised, do you have someone have stopped the fighting again? is that many? maybe my grandfather would not have dates and then uh,

talking to women payments because um, most of our festa and then supposed to try to use we to come seem to touch these these my tell d z medical holly's him and my child left on maybe stopped he's a education, it just because of alcohol is him. so i felt to know these these time for us to reason. but, and before we proceed, nobody ever take the 1st drink thinking that they're going to end up into alcoholism. so what leads one into that sort of spirals such that you're no longer have control, it's not the one most thing. and i always tell people we chose to drink, but in the entire while, nobody to this to become an alcoholic. and so we go through the face, they just become health price. they just the experiment away. you experimenting before, shall we just to look at because they are functional. and then instrumental is when you start getting blackouts, then we have to have be trusted. a be to be just that just when now you you even tried to come out,

you cannot come because i already did the brittany is addicted. the body is addicted to the drug accidentally. it's not you with making the choice. it's not you abusing that drug. it's not a drug abusing, you'll see that schedule stage where but it's all about the last as you lose your job, just us telling you things and then you lose yourself. watch surface team and it leads no disappointment for something. i'll just have to be coming to say do this, but having to say the ideas shown yes. um and you said that you lost quite a number of people in your family. is that because because of alcohol use in my family, we have that problem. we've brought it quite a number of cousins. my dad died in the road. the accidental and vain since of alcohol. my sister visited the complications. my brother has had been to rehab 13 times and still he didn't make it a better team 3 years ago. i lost my nephew as well. i'll go to let it come to this may need sort of help calling data complication. so we have a number of groups that are like, what are you looked at? so it's really white plus my family. yeah. so let me just hear from the people who

are in the audience, right, because we are hearing but parents and families being addicted might be a contribute to. in fact, did any of you grew up with parents where you would say what dependent or alcoholics fuse? raise your hand, let's see. can you please tell me about your story? my name is eden, and i think alcohol is something that the, she'll need with that. and for sleigh bed, and when i was growing up was finding myself like we know as a kid, like my father would come drunk. like, fight like big mamma. you see. and and sometimes for example, in my family vehicle and what do you see? we are good and what do you agree with for the drug that drunk you see? so we find ourselves like for example, the 1st ones. in fact, the 1st one, all of us we have done got, does that include you out see if you see. but what we see is that we would like

for sure what we would like to stop in sometimes we uh, even we come up with like the fuzzy fuzzy deals. we feel like completely say no to be there. but do you see like we can slow time for the blood because that's you see because that because that thing, yeah. a. all right, so let me ask stella question. he has still has been sent by the local government representative here. we called them mc as members of the county assembly, and i'm just wondering when you hear people speaking here, this is not a problem. one generation, it's 23, sometimes 4 generations deep. so we have to even begin to tackle it. the only way we can tackle it is if we start from the onset, you know, from the fun. but you say team, this is hatch to the, to the leadership bit. because as, as we see what's up, was a motion to reduce alcohol, a hardwood introduced to us from iowa in the ages of those way to reduce to eat in the plastics. class 7. you know, they fold it at home when it comes to what,

what they'll need to ship is doing right now was i think for the last few is morrenda has really had a big problem. it's but i think over the, as you can see that marana has the steps that have gone that we need is a look that has, has been taken in place. and that is what you can be able to. yeah. yeah. and you can not see a drunk mind walking around and shouting at us, but the absence of them in here in the town does not mean the absence of the mundane diary too. i mean, we all come from rural homes. we know they drink who quoted deep, deep interior. this is, i'm seeing the steps that you guys say, you're not as black as was okay, but it's still something that you're struggling with. as i said, one of the things that i will contest employee has been able to do in the govern 9 guessing piece that they are working towards. i use bill they used to be is, or it's a program that calling the m y s really solve use. so these m y s is that thing particularly you with who are most actively involved in any c? no it is. they wake up, they have no way to go. so these young people are being taken given walk to do for

3 months and upbeat for the walk. and then these young people decide, is this something i would like to learn as a student that would make me feel more useful with all that it was like for pick up like was a fee. you know that they'll be for a desperate a. they have nothing to do with that later. let me, let me hear from john. not very good on side of uh they they, they go with the government. but i'm here to see that go, government is doing nothing. oh, it is doing thought the not being, as far as alcohol is even, is going to send a vessel said m way is, is, is not meant to head the audience. it these mans to, to help few, and just to give them on how she likes. but don't to agree that that's a step in preventing people from being disillusioned and potentially falling into alcohol abuse. but to me, i think that these are useful for money. okay, because what these 2 to be done is these and hospitals in,

in can you devolved the quotes of the code. the government being sold is publishing every have the additional incentives in every, in every hospital. so the woman that is sick and go there access medication, then take him to m m y. yes. okay. so you think they have it the wrong way around? let me hear from i'm here because she's eating to speak to me. yes. you're based in india. it of people who are failing us is that going to governments that come to that, that back and look at the monday it has been devolved. and the monday we collect from licensing of bus is supposed to go to 2 twins, rehabilitation, public education, a book us the insights of your support. right now we don't even have a come to go up on the um, a funded tournament facility, as we speak. now, we don't. where are they taking? that's not the person that you're supposed to go to that. what is the f all complete? control up to them, what i'm not going to see is it in place how big plastic because we have the

a meeting with the deputy but has been palostio and was was supposed to come up with the goose control act. what have they done? the boat it up and had the boat to okay, something i haven't had the boat to. let me, let me, let me. i like some things with water treatment and we have the additional, it's not for me. it for what we're building roads. all right. let me just bring all this up to speed. the alcoholics drinks act is what regulates the control of sale for production and distribution of alcohol in this country. and that kinda, which is what you, wherever here is the national authority in the campaign against alcohol abuse and drug addiction. i know you've been told you are doing nothing. you have to give you a chest, respond the, the government has, it has a very big stick on prevention, and i'm going to read you the creation because you have, these are for those will already be addicted. they need, they need help, they need to, i can use the account to be able to been a fruitful because especially to be able to give that to you. the ease of someone who is that dictated and they go to school, they couldn't get that to you. we have something the calling though, the any type that he's the free editor, if that he's from the county government,

they need the just call to kind of i took you all the wonder of what people have set you able to apply and they get to the car and it's got the speed by the code to the method is going to the people. so if somebody has someone who is 80, they bought 2 gift cards and we met special needs capability, which is beside the or whatever for us need to be can go. yeah, because the girl gets treatment in india. oh. and so talking to the resources that are already available and i want to bring in kind of here kinda is, i'm excited to just see what's behind the bar. you wouldn't expect to see him in the debates like this and yet he a, he's a no one to is just such a thing as responsible drinking. yeah, i think uh, i think it's fair depending on there was like that to a savvy, because i've seen examples of how i stay at behind the bar. and i'm having some guys that this guy will say, okay, fine, i want just take one bushy and go home because i'm driving all my life threatening me at home. so i don't need to drink so much. obviously not everybody who takes

alcohol and drug and alcohol leak and alcohol. i was also reviewed, you know, a cultures. we have different names for different rights around it. so what is a healthy relationship with alcohol? like how would you describe it? to me it has to revolve around drinking and responsibly while driving. yeah, no. let's just take on the drinking response because the guns are starting to do more, the more like the hall, the policy. alright. so we should have those people was playing alcohol and they beat the dispute. it didn't without. we should have specific distributors who are licensed by the government or should supply to places other than having quite the waiting and speed here. and there is the document and us having things that's we are know supposed to be taking. okay. let me come back to evans phone here because we were talking about it least, it's bruce earlier. right. and this is a prime lobby. leaves us with people landing themselves in hospital. what's coming close? i mean, some of these drinks we have them costs including methane and the eternal that of,

um, over a 10 levels showed you know, having that low call home. pretty petitions. yeah. of course uh, being a, uh, yeah, that homes then be already packaged and therefore we are seeing a people losing sight and uh, getting a uh, keeping the conditions you know, people getting it. um, you know, i called poisoning and for that too much i even, um, rocking out. um this is why you were talking about uh, going to a trusted distribute to but listen i, i enjoy my glass of wine at the end of the week. like any other person, right. but i don't want to have to think about who the distributor was. so as a consumer, is it possible to protect yourself against elicit bruce? so i don't think so. oh yeah. yeah. um, we have boxes that are 40 licensed. that's actually display the good alcohol folk

from, can you breweries and know that. and the battery is where they're selling the the, the to know what's in sleep, a mixture. so it's not that this, this, this is bruce or i being sold in some uh, should the places that are being sold in the box. uh ryan talked to me, but do take blue cross and go on. so trace of done luca. uh, hoping it would be sort of be the original and finding myself. yeah. so you've had an experience where you bought alcohol over the counter thinking it's a brand that you are familiar with and then what happened to did you get an well? yeah. okay, i want to know about what's happening with men here with families. talk to me about that because you hear from me lees have broken and we are having a lot of a single feed entity. so sometimes when a mind fails to maybe achieve that, is one's beatty's of the find me a month. it's to hide and a very,

to have these little alcohol easy and other drugs. so that's where you're having a lot of you drinking. just because this is lacking for us. okay. so broken families, lack of education from the kids who being left but because you focused on men and it is through the 25 man do take alcohol compared to one in every 20 women. but women are also drinking for you. you talked about having a child who you hadn't seen. how is that relationship with your parents that with your family during that time? it was terrible and it was no. me not being there for my son means. my son know has to have someone to look after him is you know, that's giving other people responsibilities that really didn't meant for them. yeah . but we are, we haven't spoken, you know, well, knowing what you know now and doing the podcast to try and help people who are dropping with the same thing. what do you think needs to be done more by us as

a community by governments and other stakeholders? first and foremost, of course, is to talk about it. as i said, mine with my father was an open secret. why is it an open secret? why not bring the kids together explained to them? this is what's going on with your father or this is what's going on with your brother or alcohol has taken a hold of your mother. you know, the more we speak about it and the more we like we, as people in recovery are able to explain what we went through, how we wish things that have been different. that's the very 1st step that we need to take. okay, of course, let me hear from because i know you have the solutions and do you already implementing that? i think it's close for collective responsibility where we cannot said that the section of the government will do this. maybe not the will do this or the national group is everybody. everybody has to come on board from the individual to the family, to the community, to the county government. national government rehabilitation doesn't have to be

expensive to be effective. we can do it a bit of the village level. we have people who are actually bringing this people together because what about some of the substance use this or the needs is love and acceptance? the moment we stop pushing them out to be, what do we have accepted and we have the accepted in the drinking dance in the drug dance. that is we have to be actually good. that is where the state of things and take. yeah. much as i emphasize with that, so it's very difficult for a family who is currently trying to do with the person who's addicted to, to, to share love. because they still from you the lie to you, you know, where do we find to the grace to extend to them ended up in rehab because somebody brought up the good didn't me when everybody else will just bring up. bringing up the bab, someone came and told me on your beautiful yes, telling tell didn't you're a public speaker, you can make a difference in this mission. that's how i ended up in the twins frustrated. but everybody kept telling me how useless i was. so i became, i, i distance myself from anybody, was close to me because of the people who be up to the question,

you're drinking. other people who love you. but the approaches over on the porch is all wrong. so if we can educate them to embrace this before and make them know that be a fit, people will need professional help. we will get to break. so, okay, is the class g? is the shake the the cab is, are they doing enough? a religious bodies involved a fund. we are doing nothing. me. when i bought the vehicle i was on the program or you went to them. the truck to me a bit. charge the card. you mean? not my charge, but the internet that anymore on any fuck, i just thought that to be the more than the if i did a past us, we just bought the johnny but wrong very very. we have people who took phones. i just thought that the building is a to me thing. how can you are dying to be seen us? how can you mingle, we the gland, gods, and i think it's like they have to be of judge our youth. we have judge

eh, the alcoholics. if forget things that at the sent by god to seek the sackful sold so. so to me i being the bit tempted to today's up that, that you should not be monday oriented. victor, she would stop being due mental, the judge should not. and to show this thought would be more now using alcohol easy . let me hear some of the solutions from the site and are you wanted to say something? i think we need to come to a place we have by, as a society's initial. and we have talking about preventive conditions starting from schools because i did look at these quotes and you might be thinking even that you've been don't not exposed to drugs. but let me tell you that as well. yeah. it's just a group of drugs as so much. so we need to go back from there is cool cheese in your organization and everywhere in the society and speak much about probation. okay? so kind of what you'll do the 2nd to last last bus. and again, is this such a thing as ethical, partying? because you don't want to tell people what they kind of kind of drink,

but is there a way for us to enjoy without it being excessive? i have a lot of stories with my clients. we met kind of apple. we have like on the experience, we have talking about the things that are affecting them. so when, while they are drinking bodies, when they open up and you realize that like, if they have a problem that is, wouldn't have like a top to say to go about. yeah. so there's the scenario may be unified and maybe someone who's been drinking and he had run, go to the sick and go to you on this. had to talk to on the 1st like you need to go to the 5th to talk to him. right. and you observe the past, so i think he has a site, he has reached his limit. i can suggest maybe a glass of water turned out sometimes uh, uh, organized for like a buffalo to take, take a client, hold on because i'm behind the bob and it's business. all right. it has on the corner. let me get back to one of me have to say have yeah,

but i like what you said. so being your brother's keeper. all right, so sure, well, we want to roughly you, if you had a chance to, you know, go back in time to when you 1st touched your 1st book to what would you tell that version of yourself and what would you tell anybody who might be watching who is struggling at any stage of addiction. i would tell myself, she please don't eventually. it's because it's on funding against. i mean they got into it's not wanting to be and i didn't get nobody wants to be and i did. it was all fun and games on to to know if people lose to drink weeds. now the concrete but now i'm left because of i didn't know they can't create tickets, get out of it. now it's the stuff to keep getting hired over and over again to numb the pain and the music ceiling. yeah, so tell them i understand please, please, please. she just keep both check. don't stick in that fussy ok. yeah. well, thank you very much for your thoughts and to all of you, we asked a simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is the problem? evidently, a very complex one. and the answer to that problem, if you asked me

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