when generation slash on down here, this kind of fun, it feels like therapy the this week on the 77 percent street debate we chose to drink, but it didn't say it was nobody to this to become an alcoholic. anyway for me we, i couldn't. what are you looking for you? what was the drug that drunk? what do you think needs to be done more by us as a community by governments and other stakeholders? the judge? how are you? they have jacked, eh, they've alcohol each. so tell them i on the so please, please, please she just people that don't stick it in that fussy hello and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate this week. we are in the wrong

a in central can, you know, according to the national statistics, one, every 8 can you is confused alcohol? not a very big number, but when you consider the 42 percent of those who drink are considered to be alcoholics, then question mark stuck to arise. well wishing central kind of one of the most effective regions to try and find out why. and what society can do to address this, and i want to begin with maria, do you mind sharing what your journey through addiction and recovery has been? i feel like i've struggled with alcohol addiction for 13 years low since my 1st drink. basically, i haven't been able to drink nicely or properly as most people would say, but at what point did you realize that, hey, this is beyond just the usual drink over the weekend? it's beyond the dependency. it's something else i used to tell myself, i did not have a drinking problem. honestly, i never, i would call myself and alcoholic just for laughs, just for guides, but interest i really did have a drinking problem. i wouldn't cup and drink,

but i would get a whole bottle excessive in 50 a male. i'm zynga, and finish it all by myself in my room. i would maybe go with friends, they would drink nice and responsibly, but i would always drink to blackout. yeah, yeah. do you remember what time at what point you felt like you need to drink in excess of probably when my father died honestly, all my life. i think my father struggled with that dixon over the alcohol, basically. and it was never, it was that open secrets, you know, his family never really spoke about it. he never spoke to us about it, but we could all see that he's struggling with it. i think he went through, we have 3 times. yeah. i think when he died, i felt, oh, oklahoma took him, let me so oklahoma who's both, you know, it's a huge mistake and we'll come back to to that in a short while. but you were talking about recovery and you're literally just these into your recovery journey. 5050. how many days?

56000 by 2 nations. how are you feeling right now? i feel so good. it is. i feel so good because alcoholism is something i've struggled with for like over i think, 15 years plus. yeah. and it's not the normal drinking, like i have a drink or afraid and that's it for the weekend. you know, it's daily drinking from morning to evening and that's advocating monday, sunday. so i can see it like for now i am so happy i gotta wake up so that i know what is happening here. i'm not drunk slowly any. i'm so glad you. and so right, i liked that and for you again, what was the point? that's which you felt. all right, this is it's, i need to turn my life around or something is not going to work out to be and i have a son and i have not really been a part of his life due to that disease. now demco who lives in, i've not been a part of his life for like the longest. i'm new standing 11 to see

a and it took me, i'm so much i'm glad i feel disappointed in blood. it took me almost 11 years for me to come out of it. but i'm so glad to know i couldn't do that for my son. yeah. oh, not a jumped the gun or anything, but i know i know you had said that you had tried recovery before and you kind of slipped and fell back into it. are you hopeful that this time it will be different? oh yes, um they are very helpful because this time zone may have power of lifted sleeves. so i'm so ready for the john? yeah, yeah. okay. so on i want to introduce you because you'll also a recovering addict. but beyond that, you also have a community based organization working very, very closely with communities here who are struggling with alcoholism. so based on what you've had on your own personal experience, how wide spread is a problem of alcohol abuse and addiction and can you, in fact, you should be the care to national disaster. because actually we are losing a lot of people to alcohol, is in more than about drugs and other diseases put together. addiction is assume

best of disease. and that is the reason why we not. we can say that we have this, this, this, but this fix, right? up some of the $300.00 plus signs, because like in a village is what they do when the person dies from a call is and nobody talks about it, it took them to the mortuary of to that event, that time smell, pm. no, we don't know the cause of death, a things that must've been to come to the much of it just buried. so we don't really know how many people we are losing in the we income and never we lost more than 2020 people. and now we cannot say that it's just that young people who are drinking because the, the ej ej ej. a group that we bought, it is between 59 and 74. so you can see now the, it's not, not just the team the just, just just the use. but even if those people. yeah. so it is a big problem. they've got to across the board. we cannot say it's this group of people that reach the point. it's anybody can, can, you know, uh, kind of get dropped into the, into the addiction. what does it need? so it's, it's, it's really deep and it's really, dec. i like to be the subject of these, obviously a problem. and i think these

a double problem here because the list sits through question has been brought up the bus the dies alcohol. but john, i want it to come to you because you are use leader and you decided that your organization, joe jen got to meet initiative, which is lucky for build the community of the society initiative to tackle this problem. why was it so important for you? it was very important to me because of my, my god, father that used to drink. he was the due dated drinking officer. and then there was the c 90 of that. he was saying he's 21 is a flat and then drinking to that has the penny. and then he died leaving he's a kid in the struggling and even to date the state of struggling. so i felt if someone had least, if someone have started fighting again, is that many, maybe my grandfather would not have date and then uh,

talking to women parents because i most of our festa and then we try to use we do comp seem to touch these these my tell d z medical, he's him and my told i have on maybe stopped. he's a education it just because of alcohol is him. so i felt to know these these time for us to reason. but on, before we proceed, nobody ever take the 1st drink thinking that they're going to end up into alcoholism. so what leaves one into that sort of spiral, such that you're no longer have control. it's not the one most thing. and not always tell people we chose to drink, but in the entire world, nobody chooses to become an alcoholic. and so we go through the face, they just become house, place they just the experimenter, where you experimenting before, shall we just to look at because they are functional and then instrument plays. when you stop getting blackouts, then we have to have be trusted, because i'd be trusted just when now you go even try to come out. you cannot come

because i already did the brittany subject that the body is addicted to the drug. actually it's not you with making the choice, it's not you abusing the drug, it's not a drug abusing. you'll see that schedule stage where but it's all about the last. as soon as the job is best selling your things and then you lose yourself. watch self esteem. and it leads no disappointment for some of those have to be coming. so say do this, but having to say the ideas shown yes. um and you said that you lost quite a number of people in your family is because because of alcohol use in my family, we have that problem. we brought it quite a number of cousins. my dad died in the road that's been trained and the maintenance of alcohol, my sister dated complications. my brother has had been to rehab 15 times and still he didn't make it to be a better team 3 years ago. i lost my nephew as well. i'll go to let the competition may need sort of a complication. so we have a number of groups that are like, what are you like? so it's really wiped out to my family. yeah. so let me just hear from the people

who are in the audience, right. because we are hearing, but parents and families being addicted might be a contribute to accept. did any of you grew up with parents where you would say what dependent or alcohol excuse, raise your hand. let's see. can you please tell me about your story? my name is ada, and i think alcohol isn't something that, 1st of all, you should leave with that. and for sly beds. and when i was growing up, post finding myself, like we know, as i keep taking my fund, it would come down like fi like be done, my, my you see and and some things. for example, in my family we echoed more, do you see? we have good. what do you agree with for the drum, the drum you see. so we find ourselves like for example, the 1st ones. in fact, the 1st one, all of us we have done cut. what does that include, you would say is you say, but what we see is that we would like for sure what we would like to stop in

sometimes we uh, even we come up, we'd like to find the default that deals we say like incomplete. we say no to be there, but do you see like we can slow time for the blood? we got that's you see because that because that thing. yeah. a. all right, so let me ask stella question here. still has been sent by local governments representative here. we call them mc as members of the county assembly, and i'm just wondering when you hear people speaking here, this is not a problem. one generation, it's 23, sometimes 4 generations deep. so we had to even begin to tackle it. the only way we can tell quote it is if we start from the onset, you know, from the fun. but you say team, this is hatch to the, to the leadership bit. because as, as we see what's up level, i'm looking to reduce a whole, a hardwood, introduced to us from iowa in the ages of those which we used to eat through the classics class 7. you know, they fold it at home when it comes to what,

what the leadership is doing right now was i think for the last few is, miranda has really had a big problem. but i think over the, as you can see that marana has the steps that have gone that we need is a look that has, has been taken in place. and that is what you can be able to. yeah. yeah. and you can not see a drunk mind walking around and shouting at us, but in the absence of them in here in the town does not mean the absence of them in the entire it see. i mean, we all come from rural homes. we know they drink who quoted deep, deep in the interior that there is, i'm seeing the steps that you guys say, you're not as black as was okay, but it's still something that you're struggling with. as i said, one of the things that i will contest simply has to be able to do and the govern 9 guessing piece that they are working towards. i use bill they used to be is, or it's a program that calling the m y s really solve use. so these m y s is that thing particularly you with who are not actively involved in anything. you know, it is, they wake up, they have no way to go. so these young people are being taken given walk to do for

3 months and upbeat for the walk. and then these young people decide, is this something i would like to learn as a student that would make me feel more useful with all that it was like for pick up like was they see, you know, that they will be for a desperate a. they have nothing to do with that. like let me let me hear from john. i not very good on site of uh they they, they go with the government, but i'm here to see that go, government is doing nothing. oh, it is doing thought the not being, as far as alcohol is even, is going to send a vessel said m way is, is, is not meant to head the audience. is meant to, to help you just to give them um, how she likes. but don't you agree that that's a step in preventing people from being disillusioned and potentially falling into alcohol abuse. but to me, i think that these are useful for money. okay, because what these 2 to be done is these and hospitals in,

in can you devolved the quotes of the code, the government events of establishing if you have the additional incentives in every, in every hospital. so the woman that is sick and go there access medication, then take him to m m y. yes. okay. so you think they have it the wrong way around? let me hear from i'm here because she's eating to speak to me. yes. you're based in india, as of people who are telling us is the county governments, the county that the monday it has been devolved. and the monday we collect from licensing of bus is supposed to go to 2 twins, rehabilitation, public education, a book that's the insightful source of support. right now we don't even have a home to go a committee of a funded tournament facility as we speak. now we don't, where are they taking? that's not the 1st time that you're supposed to go to that. what is the f all computer controlled up to what i'm hoping to see? is it in place how they passed it? because we had a meeting with

a deputy but has been palostio and i was was supposed to come up with the colleague disgruntled act would have they done the boat it up and had the boat, the company. and i haven't had the boat to let me, let me, let me i licensing should what due to meant that and we have the additional, it's not for me for what we're building roads. all right, let me just bring all this up to speed. the alcoholics drinks act is what regulates the control of sale for production and distribution of alcohol in this country. and that kinda, which is what you, wherever here is the national authority in the campaign against alcohol abuse and drug addiction. i know you've been told you are doing nothing. you have to give you a chest, respond that the government has. it has a very big stick on prevention and on, on to reach if they could reach and speak because they are happy for those will already be addicted. they need, they need help. they need to, i can use the account to be able to been a fruitful because especially to able to give that to you. if you have someone who is addicted and they go to school, they couldn't get that q. we have something the calling though, the any type that he's the free editor,

if that he's from the county government. thank the. what do you think it is going to come in? i took you all the people to set you able to apply and they get to the car and it's got the speed by the code to the method is going to the people. so if somebody has someone who is 80, they bought 2 gift cards and we met special needs came in, which is my side or whatever for us need to be can go. yeah, because the girl gets treatment in india. oh. and so talking to the resources that are already available and i want to bring in kind of here kinda is, i'm excited to just see what's behind the bar. you wouldn't expect to see him in the debates like this, and yet he a, he's a no one to. is this such a thing as responsible drinking? yeah, i think uh, i think it's fair depending on there was like that to a savvy, because i've seen examples of how i stay at pine the book and i'm having some guys that this guy will say, okay, fine, i want just take one bushy and go home because i'm driving all my life threatening me at home, so i don't need to drink so much. obviously, not everybody who takes alcohol and drug and alcohol leak and alcohol. i was also

reviewed, you know, a cultures. we have different names for different rights around it. so what is a healthy relationship with alcohol? like how would you describe it? to me it has to revolve around drinking and responsibly while driving. yeah, no. let's just take on the drinking response because the guns are starting to do more, the more like the hall, the hall tree. all right, so we should have those people was playing alcohol and they beat the dispute. it didn't without. we should have specific distributors who are licensed by the government or should supply to places other than having lucky waiting to speak here . and there is the document and us having things that we are know supposed to be taking. okay, let me come back to evans phone here because we were talking about it least, it's bruce earlier, right. and this is a primary reason for people landing themselves in hospital. what's coming close? i mean, some of these drinks we have them costs including methane and eat

a long set of um we've already had 10 levels showed, you know, having that low call home. pretty petitions. yeah. of course, uh, being a, uh, a b p a, that homes then be already packaged. and therefore we are seeing a people losing sight and, uh, getting a uh, keeping the conditions, you know, people getting it. um, you know, uh, alcohol poisoning and for that too much even um, blocking out. and this is why you were talking about uh, going to a trusted distribute to but listen i, i enjoy my glass of wine at the end of the week. like any other person, right. but i don't want to have to think about who the distributor was. so as a consumer, is it possible to protect yourself against elicit bruce? i don't think so. oh yeah. yeah. um, we have boxes that are 40 licensed. that's actually display the good alcohol smoke

from. can you breweries and know that and the bathroom is where the ceiling that you know, uh what, uh and sleep a mixture. so its not up to these this uh, this is bruce or being sold in some uh, shit, the places that are being sold in the box. uh ryan talked to me but do take blue cross and go on. so it was of done luca and hoping it would be sort of be the original and then in my tell yeah. so you had an experience where you bought alcohol over the account uh thinking it's a brand that you are familiar with. and then what happened to did you get an will? yeah. okay. i want to know about what's happening with men here with families. i talk to me about that because you hear from me lees have broken and we are having a lot of a single feed entity. so sometimes when a mind fails to maybe achieve it is be these of the find me a month,

it's to hide and a very, to have these little alcohol easy and of that drugs. so that's where you're having a lot of you drinking. or just because this is lacking for us. okay. so broken families, lack of education from the kids who being left but because you focused on men and it is true that's $1.00 and $5.00 man. do take alcohol compared to one in every 20 women. but the women also drinking for you, you talked about having a child who you hadn't seen, how is the relationship with your parents and with your family during that time? it was terrible because no, i mean, not being there for my son means my son know has to have someone to little craft items. you know, that's giving other people responsibilities. that's really didn't meant for them. yeah. but we have, we haven't spoken, you know, well, knowing what you know now and doing the podcast to try and help people with dropping with the same thing. what do you think needs to be done more by us as

a community by governments and other stakeholders? first and foremost, of course, is to talk about it. as i said, mine with my father was an open secret. why is it an open secret? why not bring the kids together explained to them? this is what's going on either father or this is what's going on with your brother or alcohol has taken a hold of your mother. you know, the more we speak about it. and the more we like we, as people in recovery are able to explain what we went through, how we wished things that have been different. that's the very 1st step that we need to take. ok, of course, let me hear from and because i know you have the solutions and you already implementing that, i think it's the costs for collecting responsibility where we cannot send that to the section of the government. we do these, maybe not the will do this or the national go is everybody. everybody has to come on board from the individual to the family, to the community, to the county government. national government rehabilitation doesn't have to be expensive to be effective. we can do it

a bit of the village level where we have people who are actually bringing this people together because what about some of the substance use this or the needs is love and acceptance? so the moment we stopped pushing them out to the what do we have the accepted and we have the accepted in the drinking dance in the drug, then that is we have the we actually good. that is where the state of things and take yeah. much as i emphasized with that, so it's very difficult for a family who is currently trying to do with the person who's addicted to, to, to share love. because they still from you the lie to you, you know, where do we find the grace to extend to them? ended up being rehab because somebody brought up the good to me when everybody else will just bring up. bringing up the bab, someone came and told me on your beautiful, just telling tell didn't you had a public speaker, you can make a difference in this mission. that's how i ended up in the twins frustrated. but everybody kept telling me how useless i was. so i became a distance of myself from anybody, was close to me because of the people who mean up to the question you're drinking.

other people who love you, but the approaches over on the purchase is all wrong. so if we can educate them to embrace this before and make them know the best fit people will need professional help. we will get a break. so okay, is the club g? is the shake the the cab is, are they doing enough? a religious bodies involved a fund. we are doing nothing. when i bought the vehicle, i was only program or you went to them to me that charge the glad human. not my charge, but the internet that anymore on any fuck, i just thought that to be the more than the 5. are they the a plus plus we thought the done the wrong very, very i people who took phones. i just thought that the building is a to me thing. how can you are dying to be seen us? how can you mingle, we the gland, gods, and i think it's like they have the judge, our youth, they have judge eh,

the alcoholics forget thing that the sent by god to seek to sackful souls. so to me, i think the judge is sure today's up the judge who should not be money already in said the judge judy, stop being a judge, mental and the judge should not. and to show this thought would be more now using alcohol. easy. let me hear some of the solutions from decide. i know you wanted to say something. i think we need to come to a place we have by as a society is initially we have talking about preventive conditions starting from schools because i did look at these quotes and you might be thinking even that you've been don't, i'm not exposed to drugs, but let me tell you that his lawyer is just to be the drugs as so much. so we need to go back from there is cool cheese in your organization and everywhere in the society and speak much about probation. okay? so kind of what you'll do. the 2nd to last, the last person, again is this such a thing as ethical, partying, because you don't want to tell people what they can them kind of drink,

but is there a way for us to enjoy without it being excessive? i have a lot of stories with my clients. we met kind of apple. we have like an experience . we have talking about the things that are affecting them. so when, why do they are drinking bodies when they often? and you realize that like if they have a problem that is, wouldn't have like a top to seek to go about. yeah. so there's the scenario, maybe you, you find maybe someone who's been drinking and he had run, go to the sick and go to you or the todd cope too. and you feel like you need to go to the 5th to talk to him, right? and if you observe that possible, i think he has a site, he has reached his limit. like i said, just maybe a glass of water turned out sometimes. uh uh, organized for like a buffalo to take to take a client, hold on because i'm behind the bob and it's business. right. it has on the corner. me him back to me. have to save. yeah,

but i like what you said. so being your brother's keeper, all right, so sure, well we went through rough with you. if you had a chance to, you know, go back in time to when you 1st touched your 1st book to what would you tell that version of yourself and what would you tell anybody who might be watching, who is struggling at any stage of addiction? i would tell myself, she please don't eventually it's because it's on funding begins. i mean, i got into it not wanting to be and i didn't get nobody wants to be and i did. it was all fun and games and to know that people is to drink we. it's now the concrete, but now i'm left to that but didn't know they can't create tickets, get out of it. now i just have to keep getting hired over and over again to numb the pain and the means that yeah, so tell them i understand please, please, please. she just keep of check. don't stick it in that fussy ok. yeah. well, thank you very much for your thoughts and to all of you, we asked a simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is the problem? evidently, a very complex one. and the answer to that problem, if you asked me

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