i said to my mom and then at the mind of the german institution, the georgia back story may 2nd on d w. the business day, the news i forgot coming up on the program, betsy is off the south africans and the whites only rules who failed. the victims of a policy meets the movements now that the ladies protesting against being shot out of the countries to the reconciliation process. d n. c. government says they should end the demonstration and go home. also coming out in the democratic republic of congo is the end of an era, as the u. enforcement of school pulls out who will protect the people now and occasion that leads where in crushing form of the london mouth and not just one or 2 victories on terrorist of church are smashed the wealth records. snatching

this from her own mental th, i, eddie mike had junior and you are welcome to the program. said 2 years ago. so it has started a fall south africans. the countries fast to democratic elections brought an end to apartheid and decades of violent races, twice minority rule. so africa suppressed governments led by nelson mondale. i chose to press you forgiveness over our persecution, introduced the truth and reconciliation commission, preparatory tests and victims of violence. and human rights abuses could give testimony and request amnesty from both criminal and civil prosecution. but till today, thousands in south africa still few let down some of them elderly citizens who

often for apartheid demanding reparations for the crimes. the suffered ass down whole cat reports from johannesburg as the what they say is applied to justice on the step so, so that for tooth constitutional members of the movement have spent the last 5 months attempting here on the quote, the states they say many victims of a particular were crimes, a being ruled, even though the government has a fund with a $100000000.00 us dollars for reparations. numerous you up with nazis, the groups leader and says many of the members missed out on the truth and reconciliation process. i feel is down and i feel that the government does look doing and it just is not all new to me to use in a what a victim in south africa by not allowing the by not even

creating that platform because i feel like it's a pie one is a healing is a healing, is assist you to speak out, to be listened at. at the same time, to be at least the last. when i say say she was beaten by a party police while working as an activist, back perhaps the most painful school is the loss of her brother. she sees you was murdered by the army. 1993. during the vigil for liberation active as chris hun took about a week look, no we way use with about these boards until i had to go to the government which went into miss the way i found it. packed off a cups the dead bodies with pick like a like a bags of cement on top of in order to get to know hughes body. i have to ask

also depressing was we can good. can you help me? because i feel like my pry that you may be among those with nice essays these days wasn't able to investigate the system organization. the cool money support group has a 150000 statements from people who i list out during the t or c process. improve statements, it says the government should consider that has been, it says many victims would not comfortable to speak out so soon off to apply to it . while others didn't have the means. the states and you have an honest with the way the to i see statement take is would be, i mean, it was pulling back if you even heard of it. and then also because people had basically really destitute already at that time. it didn't have money to take texas to go to the statement, tickets. and there's really some of the very practical programs we have documented

this. oh, for the department of justice, because we think it's completely unjustified to disclose the dues when all this work has been documented and, and the fruit was actually on the side of the state. she knew, despite the research and despite the government sees it's too late to reopen the case when it comes to the people that are currently living outside the constitutional court. are you saying that they should simply go home? yes, they can go and we're the one with that. but the, there's no need for them to to be that out in the quote on this thing. because our so there is nothing that we can do. the payment history has the list is closed, the positions are done through the process of public and it will be a lot of people as to to open the list to this other efforts in government sees it will use the reparation fund for housing, education, and health key for the 21000 people on the current list. members of the victims

group say, the only thing stopping the government from putting more people on that list is the lack of political will. off the decades of writing niches in lobby, they hope the physical presence at the heart of the justice system might shame the government into action. joining me now is yasmin suca for much truth and reconciliation commission. hello, and welcome to the program of them, which so many victims of apartheid not being had and still waiting for compensation that the t l. c fail. you know, i think the ti i see with a huge success and that is such a me, but she was, it was meant to do in terms of the legislation. i think the failure to do with work because the unfinished business of the truth commission must last squarely at the

fees all the state and also the national prosecutorial authority. because, you know, it is always understood that if people did not apply for amnesty, which was conditional or if they failed to get unless the been a little would follow its course. and so in 1998, when the commission completed these hearings, it hadn't been a list of more than 300 cases, to the national prosecutorial authority. and of course, in the speed of, i would say 26 years based on 20 are seeing the like today. and that is why i think be looking at this question of what political interference the was in dealing with these issues. right, sir, you seem to be pointing, the thing is at the government, so let me ask you there's a government says it's too late to reopen cases. is it really too late, or is it

a lack of interest to compensate victims of a pop? i era crimes or glitzy colwell. and, you know, if these cases had been investigated and these public traitors had been put on trial 20 years ago. mean, of course, i think you'd have seen more just as full victims. but because we discover the cause of forcing the state to do its job back, in fact they had been political interference on the part of the state names about a model. toria really was switching place not to investigate these cases and not to prosecute these cases. and that is why so many years later, i think the victims are really struggling for justice. i don't think it's ever to date, you know, to deal with these cases. and in fact,

if you look at the 20 cases which we have been pursuing on behalf of the victims, we have a number of successful inquiries. and right now we have at least 3 trials which are ongoing and the quotes. and i think this is the same as the many countries, including places like argentina and should a wave prosecutions continue. many, many years. data, i think the biggest course is that you know, public trade because of bossing on. and of course the families of victims and dr. young ira and so this i think creating watson in boss definitely did quite an impass. can you really helped me understand why on e and c governments that was part of the liberation that somehow suppressing cases of victims. when you consider making fact, most of the victims that we're speaking all what people who gave up the lives in

the struggle for the duration, it does seem rather strange. i mean, fact when one has us many amc stalwarts. one of the answers we've received is that, you know, if we prosecute, then they going to mon, private prosecutions, which i think really is a nonsense. but i think and more interesting response which i haven't received is that these are really still that you know, many people who are informed as, as, as in most conflicts that they would be lost. and i think fact lives at the heart of why and, and the government didn't do with it. we had courses saying, but we want to get to the choose of why the investigations and prosecutions didn't happen. they need an independent commission of inquiry water to have the 4 weeks to

call the former president in vicki as well because he didn't use the machine that the model toria was put in place. right. so how often mistake can we be that the ongoing public activism and protest could force the government to address the issue, especially if he had of elections as i think we have through active, this is both by the families of victims. and of course, you know, the foundation of the human rights, which has been the primary civil society organizations, which is really push this question of justice for victims as a directions. and i think that we've been quite successful. but of course is a lot know what to do and we'll get to have to continue with that struggle. i think the saddest thing of course is that now we have the intergenerational issue. we need the children who are very young at the time. the family man, this was killed,

went off, taking off the bison, and you know that that is a tool that he's being bossed onto the children as well. right? um, let me get your thoughts on this quickly before you go that still so many victims of a pop by and still waiting for some form of reparation. what's your recommendation? what would you like to see down today to address this? we say back in fact, you know, on the question of restorations base full of money that he's missed in the prison spot and you know, the community that the rations was never really paid off. i don't really believe that the government really needs to look at this issue again. and what's a good look at is what kind of criteria we can put in place to at least compensate the victims that are still alive and the family members were needed. i mean, the case of prosecutions we said send out a special court setup. a quote was sitting judges was only job is,

is to deal with these cases and set up a team of special prosecutors for the voted to only dealing with these cases. i mean that way we can move these issues forward. right. yasmine suca form. i choose and reconciliation commission. ok. thank you very much for your time. i. thank you . let's now go to the democratic republic of congo, where the un peacekeeping mission will new school is leaving after 25 years. the pots have requested by the congolese authority to stop worrying some people, especially in remote areas like the high plateau of south cable, where in security passes. use powell, those are the reports from east in the sea. it looks like the communities armies of filed, the sea is in the fight with one of the many groups. so bearing thinking says,

keep but these, these an exhaust size the out on the was again from pakistani please keep pearls before the to continue the home. ready around that a 3rd to show us my man are learning from a new sco alimony school and we're preparing from a news goes departure and i put in the budget. i'm so we're learning what we'll have to do after they leave it. i think it depends on when they've run through many basic techniques together and by the end of april, the 120 basically for us will leave the amazing village up for me can gauge. was it going good? it's mandy terry. the, the quote was a repeat, the sign includes accusation, so the whole fun payments of sort, joe said, i read, but the departing team, c's had been de, geez, we are getting the, if he already said dropped. we've been conducting that training for about 15 days now. we have bring them in the basic one bedroom, basic uh for uh,

a normal safety precautions indeed, or turn link along with the locals. and they are already since they have the logos . and if you already see in bose their locals and they are better than most and with the local customs and traditions, is it says the people living in this cam pulls up by just any contingent has been, you have to protect since 2020. now some 2005 hundreds here. is it for the kids or coming that conflict which found up again in 2019 with fresh violence between differential called um groups. so then i've been forced from that homes and mainly in the camp i'll cap, just use a piece keeper of defaults. minnesota fema, visually. we are very sorry. was that what we're sorry to seem a new sco, leave her about. but if you need to see, because we're worried that in security will return a little, they thought of the safety is up. we fled here, even though the congolese military was in our village punk or lot so we have no

assurance that they won't be able to protect us like munoz go, did a bundle with dish and it does look like you think. so, drills are leaving. these relates to the chevy for a base for the know when you score he's leaving, come go because the government ask them to go. so you need that schifflet's or these bites more than 20 your things, the country. so you install jail should be gone from south cable by the end of april and from the rest of the country by the end of the year to come on this, let's bring in the pilot laws. very dw correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. hello, paul. i called in to the withdrawal plan, my new school will transfer all of its basis to come release of, sorry, tease and security forces. but how prepared are they to take over? yes, indeed, according to these transition from the which has been approved by companies october to like november, also bases and overall to community security policies. which means that police will

take over mainly in your bank areas and city centrals. why is the company's army corps of pharmacy will be posted in a remote place? these we've, i'm good presents such as me think a while i was. so i don't want to predict anything on whether the communities of the capacity to own those of the protection of those bases ends of civilians when it leaves their we know that communities, i mean, so for us from on but then months and the lack of material about 2 terms of truth on my way back for me. 10 gay i stopped by is us if you have come on your law. well, the 1st one is go based. west prince fell to the police and that's february. what i found is another place. and you know, coming to us, so who knows the area, police man inside, they don't receive any surprise of food. the seems money is collapsed. it was at least the case a week ago. uh huh. that's a has interesting doesn't sound like uh, a team ready to take over about. well, whenever i know how things go from here, also, what was interesting from your report was that some people are concerned about the renewal of my new school. give us

a sense of how much supports that is for them with new school withdrawal. yes, you're in use, don't come go. we've got to do so. difference between people living in cities, centrals, such as grandma, where i stand now. and we might say we as feeling on she's that you've heard the. yeah. and those are people i've talked to where afraid and said, well you don't see as good spoke again, but still sales people was pretty quiet tubs of my months though up and also you need to be present. for instance, a really valued on config is to going on, tends on sales, done. so people to prepare different, different moves. so basically if and when you scored somebody there was, i really consider on to leave this place even though local authorities, as sure of the many policemen out to, they being trained and they will be able to fulfill the victim. so here's the thing, after more than 20 years of windows school security in the dmc, new at criticized by many, right. what main issues that people have against them as well before monday was call you uh monday which uh peacekeeping. nissan said total back in 1999. any

changes to one east coast diabetes, a showing of the country was uh to the monday, but can go to install it or change these updates extra. and of course, the blue advice can protect people, but the conflicts in different are we as why the new school was just kept going. and nothing was actually really stabilized. according to people who organize demonstrations, they were fed up to see trends, rules driving because i know needing a lot of money without any seeing any change. this isn't the least what i've been told. right? so people don't go go to waltz and waltz on to the m 23. and we've been grouped on those by rhonda. we bone from as she's elaine 2021 after being defeated in 2013 by the monday school. but this time be to k, to add of the new school. that was this, this was she said that the security council, which decided company is the crazy done for the security to ags or withdrawal. so your social security forces on the ground has not stopped the conflict between

especially the m $23.00 revo group and clinic lease forces. this has led to international calls for a diploma. i think solution about how realistic is edits of magic solution. like i need to do a little introduction because the situation are run goodnight is getting worse and worse on drug ups. thousands of people are ref, pulse their homes and know, leaving cam so runs a city close to a 1000000 people around like 20 displaced within so city which is today surrounded by the n 23, many policy, the piano and i'm talking about media service mess and i read it for him for us to have and i'm groups will kind of fall together. showings of president decided it decided to, to fight towards on talk. actually, the only way to a panel discussion today would be positive. run that for the done part time each week. cook nice of supports of m twenties for fighters. and so it presents upfront that different for us in congo, and then to a verbal of some of the company's thoughts. but as long as we will deny it,

it looks like the trash on will be just froze on me. clearly a lot still to be so it's without our losses. daddy. w correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. thank you. are now east africa, not leads, way in dominance form of the 44 london marathon, raised us so not just one, but 2 canyon victories. and then women's tournaments, the reading and then pick champ, deanna pettus church are killed. victory, well smashing the world's record at time of 2 hours. 16 minutes and 16 seconds, wiping out the woman's only cost records set by kenya's, mary diatanni in 2017. i signed up with you. so when you all made it a kenyan double with his victory in the men's race, y'all trail the joke you on a long distance legend can a niece of the canada, through the streets of london, only to put my head in the final kilometers and take the advanced race and charge you pass a eyes set to go in and out. i'll double in paris ticking us and i know this,

this was not easy. it was wendy. and this, i know this was wrong. so i told him i said smith and the weeds. yeah. and deal with the last 2 minutes. i'm feeling good. this is the, let's do this. ok now to say make seem for them. so i was trying to pick a hub. i them one, i know know of the air from i think it's 5 years. yeah. and michael read lot d, i do with you from. do you know useful? it's joyce as here in the studio. had a lot of nice to have you here. jeff central taking a world record from another canyon woman. mary. k. tiny. it's like weld record really for them. what's the secrets of the success? the canyons, uh, tradition of math on run as and parents jump teacher taking this record. i mean just plays into the game because she looked up to mug cataneo when she was

a teenager. and was a, i don't have a mental and now just taking the record from my is just continues like right on his hand in the bunch one over. but also just nothing new to the game. she was told she only begins moss on golden middle when a new york mouse on we are both the mos on when she's not turned a bonus. you one i the mos on last year to go this year. so it's progress or high and she could be a new 4th. another forced to do an empty games this year. so i was like all she does is wayne wayne wayne, no matter what, but it's not just that women team went in the men also enjoyed success. tell us more. alexander, i'm when you all can. yeah. defeated. you see what you're in? good candidates. i'd be too late to complete the math and also uh for one year. how did you get the title to his rich friend kelvin, keep to the guy who won the amount i told last year, who unfortunately died in february this year?

you know, so it's kenya and kenya again that over and over again. so this is just the legacy of running in kenya is huge and going into don't even pick. yeah. we were expecting that kelvin. keep to him. was them award record holder? yeah, we'll go, come into this. yeah. and i really do great things, but he died. yeah. but his legacy leaves on, you know, i guess it's fair to say kenya has a well, the record holder in haven't that's, that's done. so definitely to put it looking at the success being it's also enjoyed by team kenya overall. does the olympic games coming up? what can we expect from team kenya? and indeed the advocacy, i think kenya has quality. all of the truck, you know, every new raise. there's a new name coming up on difficult grids like a control gets to in the in line for the olympics. so we've jumped to to the

defending champion in the, in the women's also. so you, you see, i think kenya still has it, but they'll be, you'll be on the hills and gun the right, you know, and, but he makes a lot of interest in the loop and games as you in paris. yeah. just to be plan. i'd say it has no child's any of this. oh no nigeria will be competing only i think in the women's hurdles and the women's them jump. uh, but i think we have cuz magic has the word record hold and the women's organization is a thing of pride. we say, yeah, we in terms of that, they hold onto that upright until team gone out takes, you know, that's where it goes away from you guys. well, this is the noun that my is news. i haven't seen any gotten in run. i was the of that, that's where we feel we can do a lot of decisions. that's what i say you expect today when they got in and library and talking sports. and since it was going to be a little bunch i'm, i've been to hurry my, but it's not zillow, not too long. will i be? i do what we found deed of useful. thank you very much. thank you. and on that last

note to me and the program, thanks for watching. see you next time. bye for now the

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