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from my own mental, the i am eddie micah junior and you are welcome to the program 30 years ago. so it has started a fall south africans. the countries fast to democratic elections brought an end to apartheid and decades of bile and racist white. my in order to south africa as far as governments led by nelson mondale, i chose to press you forgiveness over persecution, introduced the truth and reconciliation commission preparatory tests, and victims of violence and human rights abuses could give testimony and requests amnesty from both criminal and civil prosecution, but till today, thousands in south africa still few let down. some of them,

elderly citizens who often 4th apartheid demanding reparations for the crimes. the suffered ass down whole cat reports from johannesburg as the what they say is applied to justice on the step so. so that's because constitutional cult members of the movement have spent the last 5 months attempting here on the quotes. the states they say many victims of a particular were crimes, a being ruled, even though the government has a fund with a $100000000.00 us dollars for reparations. no more actually up with nazis, the groups leader and says many of the members missed out on the truth and reconciliation process. i feel is down and i feel that the government does look to me and it just is not all new to me to use in a what a victim in south africa by not allowing the by not even

creating that platform because i feel like it's a pie one is a healing is a healing, is assist you to speak out, to be listened at at the same time, to be at least the last. when i say say she was beaten by a party police while working as an activist. back perhaps the most painful school is the loss of her brother. she sees you was murdered by the army. 1993 during the vigil for liberation. active as chris hon took about a week look, know we, we use with about these boards and to i had to go to the government which was in to miss the way i found it. picked off a cops the dead bodies with pick like a like a bags of cement on top of in order to get to know hughes body. i have to ask

also the person was we can that can you help me because i feel like my pride that you may be among those with nice essays these days wasn't able to investigate the system organization. the cool money support group has a 150000 statements from people who i list out during the t or c process improve statements. it says the government should consider that has been, it says many victims would not comfortable to speak out so soon off to apply to data. while others didn't have the means. the states and you have an honest with the, with the to i see statement take, this would be, i mean, it was pulling back if you even heard of it. and then also because people had basically really destitute already at that time. it didn't have money to take texas to go to the statement. tickets and there's been some of the very practical programs we have documented this all for the department of justice because we think

it's completely unjustified to disclose the dues we all this week has been documented and, and the floors are actually on the side of the state she, despite the research and despite the protein, the government sees it's too late to reopen the case. when it comes to the people that are currently living outside the constitutional court. are you saying that they should simply go home? yes, they should go and we would always include them one with that. but the, there's no need for them to, to be that out in the quote on this thing. because our so there is nothing that we can do. the apartment is, has that list is closed, that positions are done through the process of public, and it will have a lot of people as to, to open the list of this of everything government sees it will use the reparation fund for housing, education, and health key for the 21000 people on the current list,

members of the victims group say, the only thing stopping the government from putting more people on that list. even lack of political will. off the decades of writing native and lobby, they hope the physical presence at the heart of the justice system might shame the government into action. joining me now is yasmin suca for my truth and reconciliation commission. hello and welcome to the program of them. with so many victims of apartheid not being had and still waiting for compensation that the t l. c. fail or no, i think the ti i see with a huge success and that it's such a neat but she was, it was meant to do in terms of the legislation. i think the failure to do with parts because the unfinished business of the truth commission must last squarely at

the fees all the states and also the national prosecutorial authority. because, you know, it is always understood that if people did not apply for amnesty, which was conditional or if they failed to get alice the been a little would follow its course. and so in 1998, when the commission completed these hearings, it hadn't been a list of more than 300 cases, to the national prosecutorial authority. and of course, in the speed of, i would say 26 years based on 20 are seeing the like today. and that is why i think be looking at this question of what political interference the was in dealing with these issues. right, sir, you seem to be pointing fingers at the government. so let me ask you, there's a government says it's too late to reopen cases. is it really too late, or is it

a lack of interest to compensate victims of a pop? i era crimes or glitzy colwell, and, you know, if these cases had been investigated and these, but the traitors had been put on trial 20 years ago. mean, of course i think you'd have seen more just as full victims. but because we discovered it'd be because of forcing the state to do its job back, in fact they had been political interference on the part of the state names about a model. toria really was switching place not to investigate these cases, not to prosecute these cases. and that is why so many years later, i think the victims are really struggling for justice. i don't think it's ever to date, you know, to deal with these cases. and in fact,

if you look at the 20 cases which we have been pursuing on behalf of the victims, we've had a number of successful inquiries. and right now we have at least 3 trials which will ongoing in the courts. and i think this is the same as the many countries, including places like argentina and should a way prosecutions continue. many, many years data. i think the biggest problem, of course, is that you know, perpetrators of flossing on. and of course the families of victims on not young ira . and so this, i think creating watson in boss definitely did quite an impasse. can you really helped me understand why on e and c governments that was part of the liberation that somehow suppressing cases of victims when you can sit in between. but most of the victims that we're speaking all what people who gave up the lives in the struggle for the duration. it

does seem rather strange. i mean, fact when one has us many amc stalwarts. one of the answers we've received is that, you know, if we prosecute, then they going to mon, private prosecutions, which i think really is a nonsense. but i think and more interesting response which i haven't received is that these are really still that you know, many people who are informed as, as, as in most conflicts that they would be lost. and i think fact lives at the heart of why and, and the government didn't do with it. we had courses saying, but we want to get to the choose of why the investigations and prosecutions didn't happen. they need an independent commission of inquiry water to have the 4 weeks to

call the former president in vicki as well because he didn't use the machine that the mark toria was put in place. right. so how often is that? can we be that the ongoing public activism and protest could force the government to address the issue especially ahead of elections? i think we have to activism both by the families of victims. and of course, you know, the foundation in human rights, which has been the primary civil society organizations, which is really push this question of justice will victims as a directions. and i think that we've been quite successful. but of course is a lot more work to do and we'll get to have to continue with that struggle. i think the saddest thing of course is that now we have big intergenerational issue with these big children who are very young at the time. the family man, this was killed,

went off, taking off the bison, and you know that that is a tool that he's being bossed onto the children as well. right? um, let me get your thoughts on this quickly before you go. that's still so many victims of a pop, i'd still waiting for some form of preparation. what's your recommendation? what would you like to see down today to address this? we say back, in fact, you know, on the question of reservations, base full money that he's missed in the prison spot and you know, the community that the rations was never really paid off. and we believe that the government really needs to look at this issue again. and what the go to look at is what kind of criteria we can put in place to at least compensate the victims that are still alive and the family members were needed. i mean, the case of prosecutions. we said set up a special court set up a quote with switching judges was only job is,

is to deal with these cases and set up a team of special prosecutors for the voted to me dealing with these cases. i mean that way we can move these issues forward. right. jasmine suca form. i choose and reconciliation commission. ok. thank you very much for your time. thank you. let's now go to the democratic republic of congo, where the un peacekeeping mission, when new school is leaving after 25 years. the pots have requested by the congolese authorities. that's why we and some people, especially in remote areas like the high plateau of south cable, where in security passes, use policy of the report from east in the sea. it looks like the communities armies are filed. the see is in the fight with one of the many groups. so bearing thinking, just keeping the class but these,

these an exist size they are learning was again, from pakistani please keep pearls before the to continue have their home around that. a 3rd to show us my man are learning from a new sco, alimony sco eh, we're preparing from a noose goes departure, and i printed a bunch of them. so we're learning what we'll have to do after they leave it. i think it depends on when they've run through many basic techniques together and by the end of april of the 120 basically for us, we'll leave the base things if you guys are, if we can get to the computer, it's mandy terry easy. the quote me with repeat, the sign includes accusations of the whole fun payments of sort just that i read, but the departing team, c's and they do. we are getting the, if you already see dropped, we've been conducting that training for about 15 days. now. we have bring them in

the basic one bedroom, basic uh for uh, normal safety precautions indeed, or turn link along with the locals. and they are already since they have the locals . and if you already see it blows their locals and they are better than most and with a little bit of custom, envision it says a before leaving and this can pulls up any contingent as being you have to protect it since 2020. now some 2005 hundreds here is it for the kids or coming that conflict which found up again in 2019 with fresh violence between different real gold groups. so since i've been forced from that homes and mainly in the camp, i'll scab just use a piece keeper of defaults. minnesota fema, visually, we are very sorry. was that what we're sorry to seem a new sco leave for about, but if you need to see, because we're worried that in security will return a little, they thought of the safety is up. we fled here, even though the congolese military was in our village punk or lot so we have no

assurance that they will be able to protect us like munoz go, did a bundle with dish and all that money does look like you think so. jewels are leaving, these relates to the chevy for a base for the know when you score he's leaving. come go because the government ask them to go. so you need that shift bleats, or these bite more than 20 your things a country. so you install jail should be gone from south cable by the end of april and from the rest of the country by the end of the year to come on this, let's bring in the pilot law is very dw correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. hello paul. i called in to the withdrawal plan monday school will transfer all of its basis to come release of sorry, disease and security forces. but how prepared are they to take over? yes, indeed, according to these transition from the which has been approved by companies october to like november, also bases and overall to community security policies. which means that police will

take over mainly in your bank areas and city centrals. why is the company's army corps of pharmacy will be posted in a remote place? these we've, i'm good presents such as me think a while i was. so i don't want to predict anything on whether the communities of the capacity to own those of the protection of those bases ends of civilians when it leaves their we know that communities, i mean, so for us from on but then months and the lack of material about 2 terms of truth on my way back from me. 10 gay i stopped by you. so since you have come on your law . well, the 1st one is go based. west prince fell to the police and let's february, what i found is enough to play soon enough coming to us. so who knows the area police man inside didn't receive any surprise of food the seems money is collapsed . it was at least the case a week ago. hm. oh, that's a has interesting doesn't sound like uh, a team ready to take over about. well, whenever i know how things go from here, also, what was interesting from your report was that some people are concerned about their withdrawal of new school. give us

a sense of how much supports that is for them with new school withdrawal. yes, you're in use, don't come go. we've got to do so. difference between people living in cities and charles such as grandma, where i stand now. and we might say we as feeling on she's that you've heard the. yeah. and those are people i've talked to where afraid and said, well you don't see as good spoke again, but still sales people was pretty quiet tubs of my months though up and also you need to be present. for instance, a really valued on config is to going on, tends on sales, done. so people to prepare different, different moves. so basically if and when use goats up, the doors are really concerned to leave this place. even though local authorities, as sure of the many policemen out to, they being trained and they will be able to fulfill the victim. so here's the thing after more than 20 yourself, witness go security in the d l. c. do a criticized by many, right? what main issues that people have against them as well before monday was call you uh, monday, which uh peacekeeping. nissan sits all back in 1999. any changes to one east coast

diabetes. a showing of the country was uh to the monday, but can go to install it or change these updates extra and of course the blue and most can protect people, but the conflicts in different are we as well when you school was just kept going and nothing was actually really stabilized, according to people who organize demonstrations. they were fed up to see trends, rules driving because i know knew lots of money without any seeing any change. this isn't the least what i've been told. right? so people don't go go to waltz and waltz on to the m 23 and we've been group adults by rhonda. we bone from as she's elaine 2021 after being defeated in 2013 by the monday school. but this time be to k, to add of the new school. that was this, this was she said that the security council, which decided company is the privy done for the security to ags or withdrawal. so yes, so security forces on the ground has not stopped the conflict between especially

the m, $23.00 rebel group and kung lease forces. this has led to international calls for implementing solutions about how realistic is edits of magic solution. like i need to do a little introduction because the subtraction or run goodnight is getting worse and worse on drug of thousands of people are ref, pulse their homes and know leaving cam so runs a city close to a 1000000 people around like 20 displaced within so city which is today surrounded by the n 23, many policy, the piano and i'm talking about media terry's mess. and i raised following falsity of and i'm groups will kind of fall together. showings of president decided it decided to, to fight towards on talk. actually, the only way to a panel discussion today would be positive, run that president, or tell me to re coordinate those supports of m, twenties for fighters. and so it presents upfront that different for us in congo, and then to a verbal of some of the company's thoughts. but as long as we will deny it,

it looks like just the trash on will be just frozen. clearly a lot still to be sorts of out power losses at e, w. correspondents in the democratic republic of congo. thank you. are now east africa. not leads way in dominance form of the 44 london bar, then erased out. so not just one, but 2 canyon victories, and then women's tournaments, the reading and then pick champ, deanna pettus church are killed. victory, well smashing the world's record at time of 2 hours. 16 minutes and 16 seconds, wiping out the woman's only cost records set by kenya's, mary tie. tiny in 2017 alexander which he sold. when y'all made it a kenyan double with his victory in the men's race now trailed each. you'll count a long distance. legend can a niece of the canada, through the streets of london, only to pull i had in a final collaborative and take the advanced race and charge you pass a eyes set going on that i double in paris taking us and i know this,

this was the most easy, it was windy and this. i know this was wrong. so i told myself lets me wait. yeah. and deal with the last 2 minutes. i'm feeling good. this is the, let's do this. ok. no tools and makes seem for them. so i was trying to pick a hub. i them one, i know know of the air from i think it's 5 years. yeah. and michael read lot d id with you from. do you know useful? it's joyce, as here in the studio, had a lot of nice to have you here. central taking a world record from one of our canyon women, mary. k. tiny. it's like, well record relay for them. what's the secrets of the success? the canyon's uh, traditional math on run as and parents jump teacher taking this record. i mean just plays into the game because she looked up to mug cataneo when she was

a teenager, it was a, i don't have a mental. and now just taking the record from my is just continues like right on his hand in the bunch one over, but also just nothing new to the game. she was told she only begins milestone golden middle when a new york mouse on we are both the mos on when she's not turned a bonus. you one i the mos on last year to go this year. so it's progress or high and she could be a new force, another forced to do an empty games this year. so i was like, all she does is wayne wayne window motto, ward, but it's not just that women team went in the men also enjoyed success. tell us more, alexander, i'm when you all can. yeah. defeated. you see what you're in? good candidates. i'd be too late to complete the math and also uh for one year. how did you get the title to his rich friend kelvin? keep to the guy who won the amount i told last year, who unfortunately died in february this year. you know,

so it's kenya on kenya. again that over and over again. so this is just the legacy of running in kenya is huge and going into don't even pick. yeah. we were expecting that kelvin. keep to him. was of them a world record holder? yeah. would go come into the sea and i really do great things, but he died. yeah. but his legacy lives on, you know, i guess it's fair to say kenya has a well the record holder in haven't that's, that's done. so definitely to put it looking at the success being it's also enjoyed by team kenya overall. does the olympic games coming up? what can we expect from jim canine? indeed, the african team, i think kenya has quality. all of the truck, you know, every new raise. there's a new name coming up on difficult grades like a gift. she'll get still in the in line for the olympics. so with joe,

the defendant jumped the on the in the, in the women's also. so you use the, i think can, yeah, still has it, but they'll be, you'll be on the hills and gun the right, you know, and, but he makes an interest in the loop and games as you in paris. yeah. just to be plan. i'd sorry it has no child's any of this? oh no nigeria will be competing only i think in the women's hurdles and the women's them jump. uh, but i think we have cuz magic has the words record hold ended, women's organization is a thing of pride. we say, yeah, we in terms of that, they hold onto that upright until team gone out takes, you know, that's where it goes away from you guys where it says the noun ad. my news, i haven't seen any gotten in run. i was the of that with the decision. that's what i say you expect say when they got in and by jerry and talking sports. and since i was going to be a little bunch i'm, i've been to hurry my but here's the jello. fill out the i do we found deed of

useful. thank you very much. thank you. and on that last note to the end of the program. thanks for watching you next time. bye. for now the

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