of the us. oh europe. to control the technology that will shape the future of humanity, the small, it's new world, the a i race start smaller 16th on dw, the presidential elections in russia, of the usual full gun conclusion with nothing left to charles. not even the desk in jail is the leading opposition. figure elect saying about me, whose name postern cousins bring himself to speak. my guest is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who had split kindly. he rush, are you ready just sent that in moscow? wasn't a valid me such a serious threat to put in his regime that he had to be killed either to be in prison or when they was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty. and way to compress it for,

for the parts of the population. and because of that, it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political fuel. so what's it like to live with a government that kills its political opponents, unseen from moscow? why the southern states of warnings by nato officials about a russian attack over the next few years. what does a know we done and the color of welcome to complex on excellence. it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia, of light email, put in one so 5th time. that'd be improved and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes, this is one more step to choose absolute power. but so when we ask yourselves, where was this turning point? for, she seems as a decrease of michigan mazda because the development of history june was somewhere

in the year 2020. when she called the referendum about some of the med, most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious present the national terms. and now she is over to the president. and the after is that all the doors were open for any steps . functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22. unfortunately, it has no other means the same year. 2020 it doesn't have much to do with democracy . it doesn't these elections, even mr. perkins spokesman, dimitri pass golf, told the new york times last year, a presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because so this is one more attempt that demonstrates to the majority of the rest and populations that they, they are still the majority,

which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the protest initiatives. and this is important, that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence. and i think is this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports proteins. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change anything because of that. so this election starts to know significant is the same times as this one more really rounds aflac. why not to, to repeat this kind of really and to refresher as a legitimacy or for you to correct. oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations opened bar? it's not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for a while. was he a, a threat?

was he didn't the threat edition was squared direct to the public who was liberal views. and you know, in the rush or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. and because of that, in addition was kind of a fault for just people wednesday sun and it's pushing it and it was understandable, that's a criminal decide. it's not till ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes, consolidation around putting in a case of getting, i don't know, 56, given 10 percent it man it to, it could means that the pretend he's not the only one who is so who deserves so the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda not to mention the terms of case. and that doesn't include demonstrates enter your agenda via television and

the code. so shake because of use. so for the majority, which is still not connected to the tv set. so, so with no, they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa, nevada, me that in a prison camp in the arctic circle, was he ever really electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him? we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the one that didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. but so when she did participate in the year 2013 during moscow's mayor's elections, he was extremely efficient. astonishingly efficient for kremlin and death resistance. they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so he was the real threat to put to getting them to some moments. so moment to the means that pasta the whole political process reduced,

busy. now this is fine between the fall knee and approach him and is that sense even being can prison? that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and squared and impressive fulfills and parts of that population. and because of that, it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political field due by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, due by that story of, we don't know the truths may be, will know nowadays, but it looks like global story. and in that sense, simple, it wasn't requested dance. uh that she was,

let's say maybe killed maybe by some maybe something else. so we have to wait for some results sofa. she's still able to search. true. maybe is the gym to clear up some good deals. and i found this family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you? i would say likely. so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. let's remember, is a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in the several times to repeat it to your interest curry or that's a my pets realty color oriented. or again, since people do that. but these and because of that, among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt. that's nobody put the keels. uh no,

no, we don't have a conclusive evidence of it so, but the feeling is very strong. comp, russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listened to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh, you know, which means what do we mean by nobody to? because the majority is still the 1st to believe freedom, the united official version or prefers not to think about this. the horrible story . yes. a lot of russians, they didn't know about the place and things that i didn't know about the stuff. now

what that means is, in this account on your arctic circle, but uh, the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh, uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us. uh you know that to keep for themselves mental the normal um the subsidy more old, but the majority prefer is not to know. and it seems about uh like, uh, uh cuz you know, with his stay with his dad says that the red, cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with these belief among people with the normal view. so he's democratic fused record by from a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill enough violently, they can kill anybody else. if he's right, where does all this and all the kennings, all the political prisoners. why does this, and i know the real threat is to political prisoners. i'm sure

we don't have a political position in the proper sense of civil worth right now because of a higher level of professions kyra's in the, in names a substitute in new orleans the last year or so for his existence. and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him know kind of what was a, or, yeah, yes, one could be under threats, but not everyone in dissidence community, but the main of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts, so for the leader, a star in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there was a real threat. i think unfortunately, you spoke of the value of this funeral about moral resistance among the population . people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that more

resistance is the less than russia? i guess, treasure sorts of moral, because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. this people can fight as a juvenile, to want to find full power. they don't have fully their asses. they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated by the regime. even small in jewels about the dose of the demonstrates as a funeral and the dentist to a, to that this single society still here must be for a society of such which is very indifference and passive and full of confirmed mis and civil society. the society of responsible citizens who, to who was the best, who was a country for in

a permanent order because of this war. they demonstrated that the are here, it was extra route step for people club for who are going to to is a funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes, but listening to coming to a to is a flat. so is this people after a different kind of events, wolf funerals like the link flowers as a man, as a place? as of man, there we go for political repression, such cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society in the rush, we can open for instance, the website over then for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about the criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions, extrajudicial persecutions. a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens, but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist and ready to at least to

think of all the constitution, think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about values, legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last, isn't it? and never to bold that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition. a moral or real refreshing work stuff and it repressions efficient. yes, for business work, but at the same time, no. this fatigue from room is also sheer. and in a case of mine, they're successful for a civil society and demonstration of what to use uh, some people cuz it's 18 core pacific one for me. so they can shares of use sofa and this actually if a single society activities so in that sense or actually isn't hopeless and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when most people

were ready for changes when gorbachev key, when government were much referred to, could, the power ends is being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a single don't, must came from the very top. and the, uh, was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. veteran now, extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that the authors keep adding to. we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 10 to 11 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and

brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that is secure about its hold on paul and its people? you know, it smarter bell cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply and assorted terrorism is more about a name, it's high, but it's up to 2. it is the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves, a private life of people. you to want it wants to control, for instance, theaters repair to ours. uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother in license, this is for them, well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool cause appear in this such

a strange hospitality around space. so yeah, is there a difference the threat slight denunciations from your competitor else? but nevertheless, it is still, it is still civil society and i can repeat it, it is not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. but the, the space of labor to you for free to my scenario is this is through. but if you wants to do something, you can try and some people are trying to, to write to articles to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about the constitution. it's, it's not a dresser, it's not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appeared, willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends. how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust

on the yes, a strong as to the trust is not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. but some people simply prefer not to talk with unknown persons. they prefer to talk and also who they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance, to say preferred not to discuss political issues. this is true, but you know, it's a same time uh again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the nova, laura, it's a mr. more off was a title going to be in the corporation was the truth foundation. and this one was it attempts to to, to, to, to create something to you,

even in the circumstances. there was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the fields. so why not to try to do this all think uh, and let's see it's, it's a, it's contribute. so something like hope for the future. when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has, of course, exacerbated the repression level. good cough leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes uh, is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology miss, so, so latrine and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. they are trying to

avoid problems with themselves, which means that as a full flip, say, double thinking of a pretending the war doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to a sinking ability to that's a trained not to do it publicly. maybe the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that, but it was a, a private space seen their quizzes selected to us and sylvia time, so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking. you said, recent pay that pretend has made clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. that argument gives his image russian all

his way to maintain power. does put in one that war and you'll view oh yes, she wants me. she's the main initiator, i'm sure, is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war was this idea. ology, which justifies for the russian id, was a nation, atlanta and national list account, imperialistic ideas, the very archive that deals to the, to the, to tradition, send the spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must invent. so the goal for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism and they invented some travelling, this permanent for, it was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, it is, this is more about defense. and uh,

the reason the reports reese, i'm sorry to interrupt you, reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken. officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be, i'm attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things is suspicious. p. r. o to be so then to to, to, to, to look so mighty, so impressive. uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russia for sure. and she wants to return and strengthen as he says. so this territories, and she doesn't care about the baltic states freelance or,

or pulled this as a lip service, in my opinion. she will not have enough resources for one more flank one more front . so she simply wants to continue. this permanent poor was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time, in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to to take the for instance, voltage stays because it will mean the real world was native. it would be much more serious. so that's just sort of a tuition blueprint. does nato look weak to russia to put in a not so we could, but to what was this very majority of the society, which in looks like a strong man, chloe cruise equal to tomato. nice. it was more of both even show for the main enemy, united states of america. nathan, in europe, is kind of a such a line to of,

of nato in the ends. united states. you said last months that despite old a new career, se but rattling but we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that uh, hold as they are not. so as you settled, they must understand that. so even the use of the technical no ukes could be suicidal for uh, for say, a regime for a country. uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. so yes, so the, so nuclear black mailing, she's square, it's impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's presented to preventive the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear, where it became such

a light. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed the domestic public so that it is possible. this is a danger. a british historian wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies, don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now, you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends, the behavior of our leads. they're behaving like that, according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a slot. and in that sense, they hopelessly, as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh,

putting them to his team. but uh, the resources could be depleted. and the next generation though, for petitions they will have to take responsibility for the country. fully european security and this as an interest of the west coast call and interest mutual interest of the russians at west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0. this one a full account because the services i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full, russia that's valid, like saying the value you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the sole southern brains, sofa pro, democrat and russians as they are here. and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count on very colors. think of thank you very much for being on conflict. so thank you. thank you for having me here.

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