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you really want to crane to when we deliver to ukraine weapon that we don't even have include in our arm yet because they are the most modern of the most modern. and i think this shows that for now, b, u is insisting that as well as fighting a war for survival. ukraine must also reform its judiciary crat found on corruption with the european parliament drowning in the so called catholic gate lobbying scandal. isn't that just sheer hypocrisy? that's how long have you officials themselves been turning a blind guy to rules, ethics and honesty. ah, catherine, barley welcome to conflict zoned. thank you very much. in despite admitting that ukraine is fighting for western values, fighting and dying for those values, the u. s. poor cold water on p. s. hopes for early accession. you yourself said

recently the country still had a long way to go to join the e. u. i wonder if you can imagine how discouraging that must be to people who don't even know if they'll be alive tomorrow, whether the buildings will still be standing. well, actually the you have acted very, very rapidly. supporting ukraine much more rapidly than we used to actually within 3 days we supported ukraine financially with weapons. what we've never done before, i would sanctions and even when it comes to succession, we made ukraine a candidate country in a and in a speed that was never seen before or, and, but we cannot sort of, i mean, it's a big country and exceeding that european union is something that we will then altogether have to live or on time so,

so it has to be done. but what you crave wanted, according to august definition. yeah. the president's top official for european integration was to maintain a sense of urgency about ukraine's membership. not delay was not really too much to ask, but we did, as i said, we made mold over and ukraine, an expression country and candidate country. although they do not fulfill the criteria and they admit this, we have 33 kinds of criteria, political ones like democracy will avoid cetera. economic ones. you have to kind of be able to keep up on the plate. and you have to have a certain, you know, a certain degree of confusion in laws, none of them are, are even in sites for ukraine, them and still we made them candidate countries. and they, i mean, of course, they do demand this in public. but if you told them they appreciate this very much,

because it also goes in line already with financial contribution will come on to the financial contributions in a minute. but ukraine's foreign minister to meet your calico asked for tangible, practical results from his last meetings in brussels. but you, you failed to give him any so. so let me ask the question on their behalf, is the e you going to open, accession talks this year. ukraine sees absolutely no reason why it shouldn't. as i said, if you talk to your claim and officials, they know very well, but they have been treated in a way that no other country has been treated before in a very favorable way. and as i said, the support that you is giving ukraine now, and the war is out standing. so i understand that the officials do, you know, keep the pressure up. but there are 2 in, in,

when you exceed the european union, the countries that enter and then the european union has to, you know, be able to take them on board and ukraine. ukraine has 45000000 inhabitants. it would be the 3rd largest country in the european union. so it's, i mean, it's not something done just a politically and have to really be, be prepared very carefully. and it absolutely positive that the officials understand. that's perfect. you personally have suggested that fast tracking ukraine would be unfair to of the candidate countries we've had a long wait, i'm sorry, but already of those other countries having their towns and villages bombed by an invading superpower. that women right, that children deported them and tortured and shot in the back of the head in the cause of defending european values. because if and not shouldn't they perhaps seed

their place in the queue to a country that is enduring. all that for the sake of the entire continent, you included, they have a lot of these countries have waited more than 10 years for even becoming a candidate country ball. then i had to go with them. for example, just got this status after after more than a decade. so they, they are seeing this difference as well as we are. and we are acting in that way. but if you look, for example of, nor than most of the, don't you know, this country even changed it name, because you have greece, i will guerria who had an issue with, don't have a cold, my sedona. and they did this, which is not the same situation. as ukraine, of course. no, no, of course it's nothing like a name change is something you do with a stroke of a pen. these people are defending their life and the existence of the country every

single day. look, i can, i can repeat the same, the same fact all over again. what the ukraine is being granted is something that is firstly, has never been done before. and secondly, is something that is being really real seen, seen and rewarded from the official. and thirdly, it can't come goes in line with a support in this war situation that is unprecedented. and i don't know any official from ukraine who would not. i end this now comparing this to the expression paid on the holcomb and saying look what you have done is what you see. you do it with the you know,

imagine the u. k. a changing its name for whatever reason, can you imagine that? is that, is that something that goes like this? there is no, i mean we should even try to compare the situation of ukraine is completely unique and we were acting dealing with them according to the situation and supporting them . all right, let's, let's talk about, let's talk about what support you are giving them back in may the commission president announced the financial assistance package of 9000000000 euros almost half a year later that package remain stuck in arguments between member countries. why was that? well we, we have a system where the member countries are actually the ones because the european union does not have a competence of the going for foreign policy. so it's actually the member states who are considered contributing to, to the aid for ukraine. and i can say from my own country that where we have been

giving, i mean billions for ukraine and a lot of other members have done that to what the european union as a whole does is add on. i mean, although people sometimes believe that the european union is, is an institution with a whole lot of money to sit on. that's not the case. the budget of the european union, the annual budget is something around 180000000000. now that sounds a lot, but i mean in compared to, to the german budget, for example it's, it's some or a small thumb. so you have the member say, contributing for ukraine, which they do germany does it prompts the colon baltic states in a very, i think in, in an admirable manner. i mean, especially the countries that are,

that are close to ukraine, but the delays caterina bali, the delays, of course, considerable distress to the ukrainians. only sankoh economic adviser to ukraine's president said a minister of finances under extreme high pressure when he sends these checks to the military to pension funds, we have to have this money in his hands. so something like a week or several weeks delay is just not acceptable. he's right is need to dangle the offer of aide in front of them and then fail to hand it over in time. is not fair. is it? as far as i know, i mean the, the ukraine has have extremely high cost on all the military costs, but also civil call. so they, i mean, they have to pay their, their civil service, for example. so as far as i know, the aid, it's not only european union by the way, but the aid of the international community has always reached ukraine in time to do

so. well, the factor is that more than half of a 30000000000 euros pledged by both the e u and the european investment bank, the biggest share of the west budgetary support still hasn't reached key f. that's 17 and a half 1000000000 out of 30000000000 euros. still not been handed over onto in danger of over promising and under delivering here. now that's the main contributions of being made by, by the member states. and i can only, i mean, i time, i've never had it is like this. i have to say because, because usually it is being seen as something quite extraordinary. what is happening at the moment and the some that european states and was also the us and others i donating or giving or supporting ukraine with are

absolutely extraordinary. i mean, these are, these are some that these countries, you know, they haven't been there or sitting somewhere waiting for, for, for being transferred to ukraine. so all of these countries, it is quite an effort and they are doing it. and i think this actually my some, some respect. well janet yellen, us treasury secretary, they said in october, and she hasn't hidden her own impatience with some of the delays and getting money to ukraine. she said, don't as need to keep stepping up the scale, predictability and grant component of disbursement must improve. same thing from jacob care to god from the german marshal fund. he put it even more bluntly. you said from the perspective of, of the g 7 members, not least of course the u. s. it's very clear that europe is hedging or is as usual,

dragging its feet. not quite the picture that you are painting yourself from brussels today. yes, and it's not, it's not the impression i have. i mean, all of these, as i said, all of these countries have to have to mobilize me money, huge amount of money, and they are doing this. i mean, i don't want to talk about my country. let's talk about countries like call them and the small baltic states and see what they are doing on military aid. i mean, i think that we have never done before doing all sorts of military material and delivering money and supporting with, with all sorts of other measures. of course we have to keep doing this and we are very much committed to doing this. and we will, i mean, for example, the chancellor has always said that we have to support ukraine as long as it is

needed and we will just as long as you needed to, to what to when or to survive or what is what, what, what is the limit on this as long as ukraine is willing to fight, i think that it is up to you, crane and un, only up to ukraine to decide how and when this, this war, when they take action in this war, when they agree on, on ending this well they haven't started it. so they are the only ones who can say this is the point where we are willing to talk, where we are so willing to talk about whatever it's only up to them to be fine. but the truth is that the west hasn't given ukraine enough to win, has it ego shatka, chief foreign policy adviser to present the landscape, spelt it out very clearly. he said, if we were getting enough support, we would already have won the war and be celebrating victory with you here today.

he has a point, doesn't he all respects the class you really want ukraine to win this war? i'm not the military expert. i don't know if you are and i completely understand that the point of presence and then ski and his and his advisors and his government is urging to give more and more and more. and that is, that is of course completely understandable. but the situation on the battlefield is precarious, isn't it? yes, absolutely, because. 2 we deliver to you crane weapons that we don't even have included in our arm yet because they are the most modern of the most modern. and i think this shows the commitments. let's look at what the e u wants from ukraine in terms of reforms high on the list, changes to due digital oversight and a crack down on corruption as

a matter of interest. how much reforming do you think germany would manage if it was being invaded? currently, by russia it is not the question what there has to be done now. but i have to say, i mean president lend, you really took important measures against corruption during the war because he sees that even during war time therapy, people in ukraine who make profit on this who sell goods forward to higher price who, who buy ukrainian goods for to cheap, so there is corruption in the country and present the landscape just recently. i think a couple of weeks ago took important measures on this. so because it is in the interest of the country also now. but of course, it is not up to us to tell them. now in the situation of war, exact,

you have to do that to, to shrink. this is, this is something that will, that will be on the table for after the war for the building code test and also for the session. but it is, is ironic, isn't it that corruption measures one of the use key demands of ukraine at exactly the same time as the europe ian parliament is drowning. and then corruption, scandal known as catherine gate. this is a, this is a huge blow to the parliament's prestige and it, it is. absolutely. but it, that whether it's power, whether politics, unfortunately, there is always a big danger of corruption. and the question is, how do you do, how do you deal with it? i mean, i am, i have been a fighter for law and against russian for all my not if on the course now people like to or bonding um, gary and prime minister are are saying exactly this. and i

then say, if, if you're corrupt in the european parliament, you and in front of a judge and in jail, and if you are corrupt government, you become prime minister. and that's the, that's the. but i want to examine that statement in detail. perhaps we should just explain that the scandal centers around bribes, allegedly paid by cat are to members of the european parliament to reduce criticism of its treatment of migrant workers. in the run up to the wild cop kathy has denied the charge. so most of those who've been arrested, but huge sums in cash have been retrieved, not least from kelly, greek, m, e, p. and right. like you a vice president of the parliament, she's charged with corruption after handing a suitcase with $300000.00 euros to her father. she denies any wrong doing much more of course to investigate on this. but does any of this shock you? absolutely. i mean, i have been working next, so this person,

i have only been member of this parliament for 3 years. and she has only been vice president for a year now. but she has been a colleague of mine, of course i work closely with her. i never got along with her very well, but i would have never, ever had her sitting on cases full of full of money. but as i said, the question is now how we deal with this? and we deal with, with this festival, she got kicked out of all of her functions within days. secondly, she has been arrested by the belgian authorities is still in custody. and thirdly, we have, or we are still in a process of examining all our rules here that are already quite severe, but examining the loopholes and closing them would have been blue poles. haven't catherine about it. in fact, there's been warning after warning for years that the use anti corruption

procedures were lax and non existent, nothing was done to remedy the situation. the german green m e p daniel fraud says a majority in the european parliament has repeatedly voted against transparency reforms in the past. you must have noticed that didn't worry you i have, i have absolutely. it's unfortunately the conservative part of our, of our parliament. it's neither the green nor, well, i don't want to know, i don't want to make this a party political thing. let's, let's stop there. it's no because some of those arrested come from your party, haven't. that's no, almost almost all of them. so the round, so there isn't a policy political issue here, but transparency international use coded a culture of impunity in the parliament which had some of the weakest sanctions in place. every serious attempt to improve accountability that is blocked by the parliament ruling bureau with the acquiescence of a majority of m. p. 's. so yeah,

parliament has consistently turned the blind eye to corruption. here, hasn't it? well, i am the, i am one who has always voted for serious measures. so i agree that the measures are not severe enough. the measures and transparency actually are more severe than for example, in the german women talk. but the problem indeed is the sanction find we do have sanctions. again, the company is for example of who, who try to influence any p via corruption or also the mission or whoever. but the sanction side toward, towards any piece that is one of the points that have to be strengthened and we're in the process of doing that. but i have, i have one thing to say, i mean what these people have done,

allegedly they're not get convicted. but what these people probably have done is a violation of criminal law. and i think one has to be aware that you can have some fancy rules and you can make them as severe as you want. if you have people with this criminal intention who are willing to break laws that bring you into jail for years, they will not be stopped. but you have to be aware of that. so what you can spend very, excuse for not having any or not respecting the ones that you have. is it? well, if you, if you let me finish benson, what we have to do is strengthen these rules in order, especially to see intimate to, to realize earlier what is happening and to prevent this from actually happening. and for example, just strength and whistle blowing. this is one of my key key points that i'm

focusing on so that people who realize he has something going on. but they can go to a safe place and say, look, there is an m e p or in the system. we are going to extend the rules not only from any piece to a system, because apparently the network was what's mostly within, within the system. we're going to extend these rules and to, to have a safe place where people can go, say, look, here's something going on. have a look in here and to detect that much earlier that these things hopefully do not happen at all. and if they happen and they're being discovered and punished, you can, you can, you can proposal these rules till the cows come home. but if m p 's vote against them in the way that they have in the past, they're not going to happen on a day. they're not going to become a reality yet. well, we, as a group, the progressive of we caught the democrats. i'd say we have given our self already much stronger roles, much more severe rules. and we have said for our,

for our group that even if the majority of the parliament does not vote on stronger rules, we are going to apply these very much more severe rules. for example, extending the regime on our systems and many, many others. we're going to apply this if the majority votes for them or not, suddenly when the scandal breaks, the european parliament president rebecca met sola hurries to register. a 142 gifts that she hadn't bother to register before. 142 doesn't look good, does it? now it doesn't, but have you had a look at the at the give you can have a look at them on the bottom of the website. it is not good. i mean, she has to apply to the rules. there's no, no doubt about that. but if you have a look at them there, there's a sausage. there,

there are pictures that are being painted by kid. have a look at them. it's nothing where you would say that this is something that you would actually influence decisions. it's a, it's a principle you either you, either by the rules or you don't. i said that i said that there are other things, but she hasn't declared which are more worrying than that like like, like that she's been a few days in a nice resorts, red wine, resort in burgundy, or somewhere with her husband, which hasn't been declared with apparently not really a connection to to the office sounds like a lot of skeletons in the european parliament covered. well, that's probably where we've run out of time. thank you ma'am, ma'am, is one sentence that the bus majority of politicians in the european parliament and

elsewhere are honest. people like myself and you shouldn't judge politicians by the skeletons or catherine barley, thank you very much for being on conflict. so thank you. yes. ah ah ah, with

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