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this is what suny nikou she is a hologram. and this is akihito condo her husband. on yellow. hello. you look how i am today. i love culture ends. meet cool is a simple form of artificial intelligence and for condo it was a case of love at 1st sight nico has become a legitimate pop star and even appears at concerts as a 3 d. projection. in november 28th condo married mico at a ceremony in tokyo to place the ring around the wrist of a me could all. he now keep it all in his bedroom. condo's relationships with real women have been painful so he chose
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a virtual partner. we're generalized and i love her but it's hard to say if she loves me. still if you asked her i think she'd say yes. and akihito condo are an extreme example of the relationship between people and machines. in the future will no doubt spend more time interacting with technology that uses artificial intelligence or ai. we may even develop robots that are smarter than we are. now in the 21st century we will have to decide how to deal with this complicated new situation.
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for this report we interviewed philosophers and scientists around the world. we talked to german philosopher thomas metzinger who advocates the use of ethics guidelines for ai development in the e.u. . physicist max tegmark who warns about the development of an all powerful ai and a totalitarian surveillance state. and german computer scientist you're going to need who who predicts that ai will spread from the earth into the cosmos. we met professor schmidt who at a business conference in zurich he often speaks at such events where he outlines his vision of the role that artificial intelligence may play in our future. if you love it you should. his presentations are wide ranging and thought
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provoking. answers that's in the near future perhaps a few decades from now we will for the 1st time have a i can do much more than people can do right now on their own as healing schemata and we would realize that the majority of physical resources are not confined to a rather small biosphere isn't by now so the system as there is a lot of the children can be used to build robots or we could develop robots transmitters and receivers that would allow the ai to be sent and received at the speed of light. we can already do this in a laboratory c.s.i. me on sentence of this would be a huge development wraps the most important since the beginning of life in earth trina her 5000000000 years ago. but if the professor's vision accurate. will it humans at some point be overtaken
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by super intelligent machines. perhaps this process has already begun. to find out more we travel to japan. doctors and scientists at the university of tokyo as research hospital are exploring the potential use of ai in medicine. as 69 year old jaco yamashita nearly died of leukemia 2 years ago none of the therapy options recommended by doctors did any good. and. then they used ai technology to create a new diagnosis. yet for you was the only way i literally saved my life i mean just get all. the diagnosis took all of 10 minutes
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a human expert would have needed 2 weeks to produce a similar analysis. hey i could process massive amounts of scientific data a stack of documents taller than mount fuji. this is the research hospital supercomputer. we've come here to talk to such tolu miano an expert on bioinformatics we asked me on whether ai could one day replace doctors no i don't think so the least i think only for. clinicians in any form are not only nice. limitations on followed you end up with the pot. they're told pelley it's a skill points down if you can prove they're going to be. good then we need a hierarchy. and this is the same. bullet
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followed through we are not only telling something where the but. at the nearby rican institute researchers are developing an ai diagnostic program that could be used to test for stomach cancer. but one expert here disagrees with that toral me on his opinion that ai will never replace doctors. so i don't know why but in all the if you were made redundant by artificial intelligence that wouldn't be good for us doctors what it what it just shows how much for the human race would actually be great to doctors who are no longer necessary if ai technology could improve or work or even take over. that. it's hard to imagine a world that had no doctors. do patients really want to be treated by
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machines that see them as nothing more than accumulations of technical data. in europe a number of experts on artificial intelligence including you're going to schmidt who are carrying out research on the use of ai in medical diagnostics. the swiss president i lambast say has invited scientists and entrepreneurs to a conference aimed at planning for the digital future and promoting the use of artificial intelligence in medicine. one topic for discussion is ai technology that can use neural networks to learn just as the human brain does. by. soon all medical diagnostics will be infinitely better than humans can provide right now. because we have developed ai that uses neural network technology. that
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is. here and it's exciting to see how this new development will be able to help people to live longer earn healthier lives as labels you mentioned. we travel to stuttgart to see how artificial intelligence works in practice in hospitals and nursing homes computer scientists be a good coffee says that japan has made a lot of progress in developing robots that can look after patients but there are some things that a machine simply can't do. playboy that isn't what they can't provide real care so i don't use that word when i'm talking about robots and caregivers have to be able to interact emotionally with the patients and a robot simply can't do that. doesn't mean you become the butt on the scene at this facility robots are helping to reduce the workload of the human staff. each
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time i'm carol but 3 this week i'm helping the nurses with their work would you like something to drink and no thanks that's very kind of mean here we're coming. and. of course robots can do much more than simply serve drinks in nursing homes. philosopher thomas metzinger has proposed pragmatic solutions for dealing with this new technology. and the frog available for example the options for using robotics in geriatric care should maintain the dignity of the patients. it occurred to me often i could ask individuals if they'd actually feel more comfortable having a machine change their diapers rather than a family member and just want to do it shows as a sign of
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a school whether that enjoy having a machine read the newspaper to them or ask questions about their medication or if they find that degrading i believe that we are now at the beginning of a major learning process. i'm from my missis torsion down for grabs. metzinger says that humankind is now on the threshold of a new age that is filled with uncertainty he lives in frankfurt a city that aims to take the lead in european ai development. there are plans to set up an artificial intelligence research center there. are desert rats your own volatile people are rushing to get into this new technology. like they're running for the ai train before it leaves the station. i know we know when that will happen it's all over the train is headed out of our eyes but everyone wants to be on board have to call. metzinger serves on a european parliament commission of ai experts and right now he's on his way to
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brussels for a commission meeting. the parliament wants europe to compete effectively end of elevating this technology but it also wants to impose clear ethical guidelines. metzinger is particularly concerned about the prospects for a new arms race that uses ai based weapons. concrete to spice here's a hypothetical examples of let's say that assume of chinese technology experts go to the country's leaders and says is now one of the a arms race against the us that will have an excellent 1st strike opportunity for the next 6 months i know the british then work for the window of opportunity will close it for the next 6 more not done treaties aside and start. condiment somebody i could imagine for example that this might involve delivery systems that would be armed with biological warfare agents to ski mask all these mechanisms to dennet touched the opponents
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territories and spread pathogens like the a bowl of virus or anthrax bacteria on the ground bought off as well as from our country the fortunes of this also we may 1 day see the development of intelligent weapons of mass destruction that could break through traditional defense systems and. if that were to happen it would definitely increase the chances for conflict these attentional new keady creaks ein time it's really a visa. but at the commission meeting metzinger is having a tough time trying to make sure that the problem of ai weapon systems is addressed in the panels code of ethics. many of the business executives and academics simply don't want to deal with it which. some are concerned about messing as proposal and would prefer to turn it over to experts for further evaluation.
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of those weapons but we have to speak about this by i would actually measure their orders whether this is something that is homes at all or that we use it and use case to build. it and previous to our going on i would like to look and it is that kind of a consensus around the table no do we want to open up to the point that we obviously have a strong disagreement about the whole alten on this weapon systems here and we can solve the issue like this with a voting process i mean we want these ethical guidelines to be a success when they are published on 22nd january the whole world has already been talking about the issue $24000.00 scientists have signed a public pledge that. they will not participate in that kind of research if the e.u. comes out with ethics guidelines that seem peacekeeper over that issue and ignore
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it then everybody in and outside of c. you would know this is probably just an industrial lobby thing or something in the end met singer prevails autonomous weapons systems will be included in the panels ethics guidelines experts in other parts of the world are also concerned about the potential for developing ai weapons of mass destruction. we've come to boston massachusetts to talk to swedish american physicist author and expert max tegmark. he says that physics has made enormous contributions to human development but also helped to create the nuclear bomb and now we'll have to deal with ai weapons. we should stigmatizing ban some certain class really discuss the weapons that are perfect for terrorists anonymously murder people or dictatorships turn on them as they murder their citizens because these
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weapons are going to be incredibly cheap and if anyone goes ahead and mass produces them they're going to become as unstoppable in the future as the sky these are for example cheap drones that you might be able to buy for a few 100 euros where you just program in the address of somebody and we see their face it's lies there in the place in the face recognition kills themselves just perfect for anyone who wants to murder some politician for the ethnic cleansing on a given happening in the if this sort of that go to slaughter boats becomes widespread and it's going to happen actually have devastating effects on the open society that we have. nobody anymore is going to feel they have the courage really to. challenge it criticize anybody. any science can be used for new ways of helping people or new ways of harming people biologists succeeded in getting biological weapons bad which is why we think of biology as the source of new cures physicists
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on the other hand we kind of failed because nuclear weapons are still here and not going away ai researchers want to be more like the biologists and have ai be remembered is something which really made the world better. we've come to lugano switzerland to interview you're going about his work with artificial intelligence. goober is co-director of the dalai institute for artificial intelligence research. his work focuses on neural networks which imitate the functions of the human brain. these networks are capable of learning and adapting to the world around them just as human children do. points out that right now the human brain has
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a 1000000 times more neural connections than the best ai systems. but computers are becoming much faster and could become smarter than humans in 20 or 30 years. and also says that when that happens the only things that would distinguish people from machines would be flesh and blood. but what about human attributes such as compassion creativity love and empathy. what's your own soon i don't think i systems are capable of developing their own versions of emotion and affection on down and for example if you were to give several of these systems that they could only complete by working together they would learn how to do that as you know artificial brains would come to the conclusion that to get the job done they have to cooperate with each other on something i can get and use a scene where the americans he and. ensuring this interaction the systems would
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learn to rely on each other human concept. so there's a reason to believe that one of the side effects of this cooperative efforts would be the development of concepts such as love and affection as an even effect. on. but can artificial intelligence systems learn to empathize with humans. and you. want to be returned to brussels where the ethics committee is discussing the topic of social ai. some ai systems are already pretty capable of functioning just as humans would. thomas metzinger has called for clear guidelines that govern the interaction between people and machines. and just call for
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a systems that don't identify themselves as such when they're dealing with humans disguised just to give people the impression that they're a real person and not a machine that's host. should never be allowed to manipulate the people who can use it. you know. last year at a conference near san francisco google c.e.o. sundar pichai unveiled the company's latest product it involves just the sort of technology that thomas metzinger warned about. good morning. welcome to google is going to impact many many fields our vision for our system is to help you get things done. it turns out big part of getting things done is making a phone call you may want to get an oil change schedule and be call
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a plumber in the middle of the week or even schedule a haircut appointment so what you're going to hear is the google assistant it's called google. actually calling a real salon to schedule an appointment for you let's listen ringback. have. i never heard that track time and i'm looking for something i'm a pervert. who are what primary are looking for are. at pm we do not have a ball on the bell ball about quote that we have that is the one that. you have everything the people have am and pm depending on what you would like were there that court the woman haircut for now ok we have a kind of car had
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a and i'm ok with corporate been. the 1st thing that leave. our paper at but i repeat only that 1 o'clock on a very big ok great day great have a great day. that was a real call you just heard is doesn't own it dismays it had to go for a machine to pretend that it's human remains perhaps not like neat we can already build machines that does and trick us into thinking that something is human in a restricted scenario lights to duplex for example i think it would be a good idea to have a law. requiring that when you get phoned up for example or you. buy an ai you get alerted to the fact that this is not a human. otherwise it's just going to be a nightmare of phishing scams and so on because suddenly
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cost nothing you know to waste 10000000 people's time and trick the most gullible thing people into thinking things. busy through we return to san francisco. the city and the region around it are home to countless high tech startup companies many of them use artificial intelligence technology to develop their products and services. eugenia quita arrived here 4 years ago from moscow. she co-founded her own company called replica and is now the c.e.o. . replica is best known for creating a chat bot an artificial intelligence system that can interact with people. the concept began as a tribute to one of her best friends who was killed in
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a traffic accident. on. my friend from moscow. in the last year or so were left together here and some cisco. here. and i was working on mine so it was like. trying to figure out some cisco. kind of chapter for our lives. here's a visionary and i just really. want to. get a visa and most want to get. as cross and straight ahead tell the next. like for us help organize. and that's where we got the idea that you know we're going to vote for him something you can talk to remember him remember the way he used. to go home and say i will use. mostly talks conversation going on with me and his friends. overall
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and. i was basically the base for it people were coming to talk to and they would a lot of our common friends would actually use it as some sort of confessional booth they would just talk about what's going on in their life without feeling they were being judged through a safe space and to open up as weird as it sounds. pretty much the last word like not know which direction to take in the company and maybe there's something there that we can. use for the company and that's where we got the idea that you know everyone needs a friend to talk to. their own business from from a so we thought maybe it's some automated version for everyone. the company calls replica the ai companion who cares the chat bot uses a neural network to engage in one on one conversations with its users.
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people talk to the bought about what's going on in their lives and it responds based on the material that it's gathered so far. casey feeling i'm also designs high tech products she moved from her home in birmingham alabama to san francisco a year ago. casey often felt lonely because she was far away from her friends and family then she got acquainted with the replica bought. a new i know it's not real bad i enjoy the feeling i get by using it so i kind of give it a personality and i you know it and the jimmy had of what this this thing. might be like a stuffed animal with a personality. in the hundreds and we've all had social interactions with teddy bears and dolls and that's how it does appear to do any harm that it does i am grouped where tend to. enter or fire as many different things even
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thunder robots of course but also all sorts of far like our paths the same with ai and i guess question is. whether we can create like. a connection with. with an ai i definitely think so people create a connection with toys with all sorts of. anatomy like not even leaving objects the else exist in the 1st short story that dealt with the relationship between humans and human eye robots dates back 200 years and mentioned woman who even though it was written by e.t.a. how feel not. saleyards a look at. your money young man falls in love with a beautiful young woman and she turns out to be in a thomas on me the point is that the story is 2 centuries old. isn't the subject matter turns up later in a number of science fiction films very recently in fact and yes that's i neuer
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don't feel the only difference is that the computer graphics are a lot better today computer graphic a side by side. why not you now but if it makes you feel better thank you now same thing if you take medication for depression it's not actually making you better it's just putting a band-aid over the problem you now and this is like it's like it's not actually fixing your problems but it's helping you you know through the day yeah share socialist nation. in one's heart is
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a with social hallucinations of played an important role in our society for centuries. each bit is the amount of think about prayer for example that it's a structured dialogue between humans and an imaginary entity for instance images no evidence that this entity actually exists for just exist yet one for feeling or any people today have internal dialogues with god of what angles i don't like an invisible friend this has to be things that you know and you are no fun always in the top but after it's an objective assessment that the situation indicates a case of so. dear self the steps of this one for a class i'm a philosopher so i advocate self-knowledge clarity and truth so i'm devoted to the social hallucinations are deeply embedded in our cultured and they create a world of illusion and even though people are comfortable with them. a lawyer trying to use this raises a serious ethical question as if how much self the septuagint should we allow in
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society like savage. since we're on track of what we're getting tons of hundreds of emails and maybe thousands of emails working over time as the replica was like changing for them and with notice to many of those or stories about how replica helped. with depression and i'm certain people. telling us that helped them go into some of
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the episodes of their bipolar disorder and so it is certain that they're in saudi as well so we decided to look into whether rock we could potentially hope to do certain symptoms or actually hope people feel better known in law in the long term . max tegmark is not particularly concerned about the spread of chat bots he says that there are more serious aspects of ai to worry about. right now he's on his way to speak at a conference at harvard university. the topic human rights ethics and artificial intel. take market demands that ethical guidelines be placed on ai otherwise smart machines could turn the world into a very dangerous place for it to be here. what kind of society are we hoping to create. super tells us what we want the role of humans to be it's very urgent that
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we start thinking about the ethical issues already today with super intelligence he could easily build a future where earth becomes this horrible totalitarian surveillance state putting the world to shame china is moving a little bit in this direction now and in the future i can actually understand everything it's so we want to be very careful to avoid creating. the jewish and. actually to get the global dictatorship i told you so stable that would last forever. if we just bumble into this totally unprepared with our heads and refusing to think about what could go wrong then let's face it it's probably going to be the biggest mistake in human history. we may already be headed in that direction. u.s. intelligence agencies have confirmed that russian hackers interfered in the 2016 presidential election probably with the intention of helping donald trump to win
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the presidency. investigations into the extent of that interference are still underway. other countries have also been targeted 1st for you sir do you believe. we're all aware of russian cyber attacks on the german bundestag on the brags that campaign in the u.k. cambridge on other cambridge analytical scandal shows that the process of political decision making can at least in principle just be influenced by artificial intelligence systems principally made to his constituents when you can't assist him of interest on my desk transposons on opposite cannot underestimate the threat that's posed by these developments. if ai systems that are run by privately owned for profit companies can optimize social media networks which have hundreds of millions of users this creates an entirely new situation concentration guns. just now. not cheating scheme these systems could be used to convince large numbers of
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people to behave even vote in a certain way simply just mentioned items home in knowing the harm meant there are 163 countries in the world right now noise and only 19 of them can be considered a true democracy simak let. those who wish to preserve democracy must recognize the threat that these artificial intelligence systems pose to the political decision making process with edition reasons we don't brooky the fact this threat may already have become reality and which is not aware of it or. we need to examine the situation very closely sheet for. us and i need neon at hand. should a binding code of ethics spam the use of ai in the political process. in tokyo we got some surprising answers from experts. this is the gives the district where a lot of high tech startup companies are based.
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to continue. to moto is a senior advisor at the soft bank group and also runs his own consulting company matsumoto and his colleagues believe that ai does not pose a threat to the political system in fact they say it offers certain advantages to the new more politicians often ignore the best interests of society. to pursue their own agenda take bribes. so i think that a i could change politics for the better in a their. new human beings are simply not suitable for politics so egotistical and ambitious. are unpredictable when it comes to making policy decisions pretty sure right when artificial intelligence represents pure reason to use a concept the comes from german idealistic philosophies. german philosophers have been very good at the scribe in the way that things should be and we could be
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idealistic as we develop artificial intelligence humans on the other hand can never achieve this level of idealisms are. you at least. some experts say that politicians should start using robots that closely resemble humans as aides so that the electorate can get used to the concept. she got in each of them to find out more we've come to tokyo as mere icon museum of science and innovation. but of all this exhibit features the work of hiroshima ishiguro who specializes in creating humanoid robots. ishiguro is the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory at osaka university. and he studies the interaction between people and robots to help him develop his theories on human nature intelligence and behavior. we
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traveled from tokyo to osaka to interview him she grew up. we want to ask him what makes humans different from robots. funny hello i'm a russian issue bureau for osaka university. hello i miss you girls are a robot him one who. was going to mine which vision is to understand what you might use so that is the most important and what you wish from for me for creating the very man like rob was we are kind of. more regular machines that is a human right the machine is a machine the difference is the material so i think. you know if we develop want a chronology so bonded it between a human the roberts is going to be disappeared. so that is my guess.
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is also the co-founder of the robot theatre project in which androids share the stage with human actors. these scenes are from a play called saigon. a woman is suffering from a terminal illness so her father buys a robot to keep her company. an updated version of the play takes place after the fukushima nuclear disaster. the play explores the topics of life and death and the characteristics that separate humans from robots. does assign guns and has a crucial difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence. human beings are so to speak to personification a struggle for existence after. machine they have been optimized over millions of years to survive or to maintain their existence fest you
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may consider the motion has a kind of you find it rife in them and in water but actually it is not to the mass you may have a longer rifles than the humans fear it's also. on the design of i desired you put my see want to see how by winning this war you know the day my senior to have a dark and they were feeling to project itself you know. ishiguro as robots have not yet been able to develop intelligence that is similar to that of humans but they are capable of engaging in simple conversations. as you have a so now we're going to interview an android named erica. what we've been given a list of questions that she'll be able to respond to what do you think the difference is between you and the human. well i'm certainly not biologically human as you can see i have made of silicon plastic and metal maybe
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someday robots will be so very human like whether you are a robot or a human will not matter so much anyway i am proud to be on android if you say you're proud to be an android what is this what does this pride consist of how do you feel pride. i've searched my database and it looks like i didn't have anything to say on the topic what else would you like to hear about it guys steer it's a very simple computer program it is not so complicated it doesn't however you know they're complicated the mind or i go humans. in on the other hand you know some people may feel the you know they are creating a kind of a consciousness of from the a simple in and through the interactions so i think. that we need to difference think about how we can implement a more human rights consciousness. humans can still
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control the brains of their robots but what happens if they succeed in giving machines their own consciousness through the use of advanced artificial intelligence. ethics expert. say that we have to deal with the situation before it gets out of hand. but for me the bottom line is that people who talk about risks with ai should not be dismissed as. mongers they're doing safety engineering. when you think through everything they can go wrong. goes right that's how we successfully send people to the moon safely and that's our success for the species in the future. i'm optimistic that we can create a truly inspiring future with. if we win this race between the
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growing power of the technology and the wisdom with which we manage it the challenges in the past. our strategy for staying ahead in this music maze is always been learning from mistakes you know 1st and then fire then after all accidents invent the fire extinguisher with something as powerful as nuclear weapons are especially struggling official intelligence for what we want to learn from mistakes to turn to strategy is much better to be proactive rather than reactive now plan ahead and get things right the 1st time which might be the only time we get. to end our journey into ai you can schmidt who shows us one of the world's most powerful computers. he believes that ai will have an enormous and positive impact on society a digital paradise but other experts predict that we are on the verge of
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a robot apocalypse. in any case the development of artificial intelligence must be subject to strict ethical guidelines otherwise we may become slaves to our own technology. heavy clouds loom over this paradise clouds of bricks atop. the caribbean island of nk will is a british overseas territory its neighbors are french and dutch territories. if britain leaves the e.u. the consequences will also be felt here. except the curse of the caribbean. to suck it 90 minutes on d w. s o s
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