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tv   Arts.21 - The Weapons of Art- An Encounter with Shirin Neshat  Deutsche Welle  April 2, 2018 2:30pm-3:00pm CEST

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try something. new tonight. but nothing. i myself find myself they seem to want to boss along. and make big work. is soft spoken and reserved determined then demba shoes when it comes to her work in twenty seventeen she was awarded the premium imperio a prize for lifetime achievement she said numerous exhibitions in europe and the us made a film about egypt in dbo i'm quite soon and last year directed a production of baddies aida. we met up with his first little artist in science book. for
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a conversation about artistic challenges the country of her birth and the trauma of thanks on. what the q. was it is on the last time the last time was nine hundred ninety six in the ninety's also you started the women i love the photos so you were dealing with acts of women women are up experience and persia are you a feminist artist and this question has been asked for me a lot and i was i asked my ideas do you think i'm a feminist they all said yes so if you sing on the phone as i have no problem i'm extremely interested in. in woman and in the way that. their lives no matter which country what culture they come from and that it's always this duality of extremely fragile and vulnerable and yet extremely strong and defiant.
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when the islamic revolution swept through we ran in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine sure enough shot was living in the u.s. she didn't return to iran for another decade these photos are her response to the country's altered cultural landscape they're in big us they can be interpreted in many different ways. i remember before my father died that i was just doing the woman of allah photographs and i showed him some of the in this is and i said look i'm making money with this photographs i am and i have actually a career people want to show my work and i travel i speak about is there and so i am not just a designer i am because that time in his life artists were not considered very serious and i remember he was so proud i made. that he didn't expect me.
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to succeed as a as an individual as a woman and he just assumed that i would also like the two sisters with get married although he really wanted us to get educated. surely mission and had a middle class upbringing and went to a catholic boarding school in tehran she knew early on that she wanted to be an artist and went to the u.s. to study at age seventeen. at that time the western backed shah was still in power but in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine he was overthrown and islamic fundamentalist ayatollah khomeini took over after that the nation it was no longer able to return on. i think those years or the most traumatic years of my life this separation became really critical for me as a young person who was not quite at ease with the american culture and that's that they wanted to go home but it was impossible because the airports were closed i
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knew i knew and i can relationship that broke down and the war at that iraq had become so serious that my family was just there please don't even think of coming back before you know it you find other people who are in the same situation and you bond together like i have with my husband or with my colleagues that i work with and we create our own community as thirty five years and i really made arts and and then you end up creating pioneering your own lifestyle that is the logic. the trauma of exile a changed iran gender politics these are issues you're also addresses in her video installations which in one thousand nine hundred ninety one her the international prize at the venice be another. contrasts are another recurring theme men versus women departure versus arrival reality segues into dream sequences.
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the female experience in iran preoccupies shooting innocent it was the theme of her first feature film for completely different women all seeking to escape their lives . exactly. yes it started by having. me.
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and women without them was based on a great novel i magically list novel written by one of the most important. woman writers who had lived in exile. and you know had often written poetry and my work and my photographs by master poets that i was. i somehow knew up to woman particularly women that come from very oppressive societies yet quite empowered. with history in fact it's a fight is a game. because i just. have it is activism has issues because it's the same fight
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as a come. in and it just don't. but that's my finish to his job and santa comes to mission to make sure yeah and if all goes well and actually young. men i mean i don't. i'm speed-o. you can stick a line in a target used to your mind then either just a few me or then do me just might have always been fleeting const i'm happy just based on i'm going to. job as a doctor because of i know. he was this dog not that she was in the state. if i did that's just me. but the film also addresses the us backed coup against iran's democratically elected prime minister mohammad mosaddegh in one nine hundred fifty three and you
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had to use a villa hope and get this i'm probably a five given piece of it i get it you got me let me define you on the whole is the i'm on has helped munsey steve often. refers to. women without men is shooting michel it's most political film as was the case with all her films she wasn't able to shoot it in iran. it won a silver lining to two thousand and nine venice film festival cementing her rift with her homeland. what became problematic and then that was another reason for my separation from the family and then i think after a few years this amount of nostalgia while miss you and then you're right at a point say enough is enough i can't live forever in this realm of those thousand i
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remember this hope. after years of processing the relationship to her homeland walker marked a turning point. in my dreams i always see my mother and i finally came to the conclusion that this mother figure is not really my mother it is motherland this was i was sitting directly my own dream and then i interpret it later i realize that is my obsession how i am not really a law called at any of the given cultures the places. i remember as a good boss after nine eleven when i met him and you had problems to come to going to spain you would forever think it was problematic and maybe or i guess no no on the trump well it's really interesting because
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the only time that i have experienced racism in the united states was immediately after september eleventh and we immediately all muslims regardless of where they came from were targeted and it was almost immediate and i just was dumbfounded because i never seen americans racist like that but it didn't last very long and then came two thousand and sixteen we had the election and it was a complete return to that experience that again happened in two thousand and one once again i was in i was shocked by the level of racism that was prompted by. this new administration but did you have concrete problems no no i don't have to say that i have been racially profiled in banks for example every time there's any transaction they check it and they eventually have to cause why
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did that happen why didn't i receive the funds didn't send the money out this they all didn't have anything to do with iran and i realize that it's not the bank but the way in which the security of the government has now in for the traitor in there in the social system and it's really scary. and twenty seventeen judy neisha made her debut with designs book festival. seen in her photographs and her videos in her films i see a great almost melodramatic quality in her work. and i see a great directorial quality in the phone. which is a galaxy away from being a mere coincidence footless everything is staged but every shadow in every expression is staged with us in monthly. visits to meet then marcus the director of the festival invited me to lunch i had no idea what to anticipate in terms of what
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is about to ask me i imagine he would ask me to collaborate with one of the star actress for the festival but then she was they wanted me to be the state's tractor for i need them and i almost fell over i said because to realise what you're saying you're talking to a woman who has never done opera i don't know anything about i.e. that i don't listen to classical music so yeah it's just come out very much because we had a long this conversation and he said i have the confidence in you i know you can do this and i said ok this is going to be your biggest challenge now you're going to tackle the big it is all for all of verity. for salzburg festival conducted by mad sorority. soprano i don't that's rough. the. the.
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the. the. the. ancient egypt under the pharaohs the egyptian military commander ottomans falls in love with ethiopian slave aida but is supposed to marry the pharaohs daughter this dramatic love triangle is played out against a backdrop of religious and political divides. what really eventually became their entire thing is that they meant. in that mic in this i have that is about the relationship that this creep in the fishing. rod and i that unless the person they were listening to that. political figures are tightening their authoritarian government taking so it is
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exactly what i do in all my work everything i've done and times put our feet on the sound it's all of us in about one minute and the intersection on that threshold of little call time again and religious fanaticism. from what i define why it's how the tradition i.e. that really it's created as the construction of european imagination it really gave the nicest the chips ins and the it opens in a terrible way negative way so what we're trying to do it this interpretation of a guy is to complicate cultural backgrounds cultural ethnicities and then religious differences and time. sharing mission draws clear parallels with contemporary politics you know the
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ethiopians or the foreigners that society sees itself confronted with as director turns the spotlight on the power exerted by governments and the clergy past and present. was. the clean. i.e. that it was. an extraordinary first of. i for a few years now i've been gravitating away from union subjects this officially as i told you i felt exhausted by this last thousand and constantly making work about a country i never visit anymore so i'd already began this whole process of working
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in other cultures thank you tips i made that film that has taken me six years now from the beginning of the exploration of the idea to today. last year the venice film festival invited to the nation to screen her newest beacher. it's a film within a film about an iranian director living in exile looking to make a biopic about the life and legacy of legendary egyptian singer. your name because actually if. you speak english i don't get it. so let's start with you singing one of your favorite songs and then we'll have you return lines.
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to the o.-o. . o. o.-o. . you need gypped film was a national treasure performing for statesmen monarchs alike including king five. love. being in love.
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was. me did you dearly love. to. live. to. get me a bit of good luck oh here's the ok would you. feel. my question in this film which is really a story of an iranian woman trying to cut the story of an iconic egyptian singer is . when woman choose to have an artistic career or any career in a male dominated society what do they have to sacrifice and how do they deal with
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that how do they deal with the expectation of a traditional life and more so as woman how do we serve the public and our pub protect our public image when we moved so many people like she did where millions of people fell over listening to her music but what her what was it like for her. she gives a glimpse of what it was like for her when the myth collapses and on courtrooms voice fails her and for the director who's trying to balance her professional and private life something that resonates deeply with shittiness out all the time that i make in work about other women who work are actually inspired
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by them they're all woman with a single child a boy and i also have a side that the woman who wrote or woman without men had a son who the father of this incredible poor that had been using her poetry had one son and of course some had one at the side this incredible parallel and that of course i had i was not a traditional mother and she was not a traditional model the writer of the woman without there was not a tradition that we were all artists but somehow they manage so i find that they're fascinating. both of the german producers were on set the entire time in vienna and morocco. they both have experience with arab subject matter and directors and of countries with different mentalities. let's examine things sometimes you work with artists and think there's a shocking difference between what's on the screen and the reality of who you are
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as a person but that's absolutely not the case with sharing. everything goes hand in hand and is of the greatest integrity. to the head. she also keeps her word and stands by it even in difficult times and that's quite impressive at a personal and artistic level. in venice the renowned museo cordura mounted an exhibition of missions photos. the home of mine ours showed portraits of the diverse people of azerbaijan. who did so and then most of the persons of us about john you had female man you had
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young people all the people and here did make interviews before all of them what was the topic we are on what was remarkably for you when you made the interviews i was invited to do a commission in azerbaijan which once was a part of iran in the night century so we share a lot of traditions and the walls are austrians and in fact many of the peoples ancestors in azerbaijan are persian or turks our name and you know i it's multiple ethnicities so i thought what would be great is to do a project that sort of really questions this idea of homeland for a country that it's a cost of so many different type of people from different ethnicities religions languages but they're all cause that by his own home and this was very poignant for someone like myself again that i had a very problematic relationship to home. i
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. spoke to every one of them i my subjects and men and women young. and really trying to in their a simple way find out what is the definition to them. what is it that signifies and gives them that sense of security. what was really amazing as the majority was that the idea of a home is not the big thing this is the bigger picture of the architecture of the city but this small things like the order of your mother's cooking or the first day
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of spring and the way that you feel the smell of the blossoms or the picnic in the fact with the family is not about the bigger things it's just the smallest little things and i realize that actually for me is the same if they would change something in the around politically what do you like to go back to this is the chapter and your life which is really over but i have this love for you i mean people but i feel strangely that i don't know if i want to go back and there is the door opens what would happen now i would then have to start again as a expatriate now coming back to iran starting a new life i don't think i can start over again maybe for a visit i don't even know i think for the moment i don't want to go. sharing a shot is constantly looking forward she's currently working on her next film about
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iranian women in the us changing perspectives helps she remission maintain her versatility and curiosity as a person and an artist a woman looking at the world with open eyes. the be. the be. the be. the
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be. the be. the boxer the sport since you libs comes shoulder to see my see see the surgeon or a similar sit down and probably the biggest subsist the bridge
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journey begins with the first step and everything reaches the first word closure from the. german to the business of. the banker. to its simple long line of the mild and the big soft. course. how to cover more than just one reality. where i come from we have a transatlantic way of looking at things that's because my father is from germany my mother's from the united states of america and so i realized fairly early that it makes sense to explain different realities. i'm out here at the heart of the european union in brussels we have twenty eight different realities and so i think people are really looking for a new journalist they can trust for them to make sense of.
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his back up i work a double. when i was young i dreamed about changing the world. but i was a woman in egypt things turned out differently. forced marriage genital mutilation humiliation. no one else of our we rebound i used the written word to stand up for women's rights. as i travel to the places where i lived as a child i'm filled with anger at the past. now one of the consult with the free voice of egypt starting april eighth on t w.
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