listen to crime fighter and share tell a friend tell a friend to fight. crime fighters don't miss it. because ng for the day sometimes you just have to pump up the volume. on the big guns. pop export the music magazine on t.w. . the butcher of bosnia is found guilty judges at the u.n. tribunal in the hague sentence of iraq allotted to life in prison for his crimes during the bosnian war the chamber finds. each

guilty as a member of first joint criminal enterprises of the following counts. count to genocide count three persecution a crime against humanity. i'm sara kelly we begin the day with a moment more than two decades in the making the man that they call the butcher of bosnia right go a lot will face life in prison for genocide war crimes and crimes against humanity the former bosnian serb army chief was found to have led the slaughter of eight thousand muslim men and boys that's weapon itself and the siege of the bosnian capital sorry a vote where more than ten thousand civilians were killed these were some of the darkest days in recent human history and the calls for justice and reconciliation

there after they rang loud the tribunal which sought to do just that will close its doors later this year what lessons about international justice will follow in its wake and has there really been reconciliation coming up we will ask one of the court's architects first a look at lot of his reign of terror. and july nine hundred ninety five could a lot it stood before the cameras in the un designated safe zone of srebrenica and assured both in ms limbs that no one would come to harm. the shah twenty two years later when he was sentenced to life in prison by the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia for the genocide that so nearly eight thousand muslim boys and men from the tired murdered. the conviction of the former bosnian serb general has met the through leaf by the victims' relatives. but for those like i was the owner of it who lost two sons and two brothers it brings little

consolation mississippi about so many since those killed their own my brothers they are all my sons they are all mine. they were the same age as my sons. i have no one left not even a neighbor. but it's the sun darkover said that his father with appeal the ruling. he said. this is not the court this is a nato commission and i must say that. criminalise go and there were serbian people in times of civil war but the chief prosecutor serge brammertz said lot it was no war hero and rejected accusations that the tribunal had driven a wedge between bosnian serbs and muslims some today weakly discharge which is

a verdict against the serbian people. my office rejects that clean in the strongest terms not just guilt he says he's and he's. others who see it it's not it he's a hero he was defending his people. his judgment demonstrates that nothing could be further from the troops logical no spend his life behind bars after being found guilty of ordering the worst atrocities in europe since the holocaust. and earlier we spoke with me founder and chairman of the u.k. based charity remembering he gave us his reaction to the sentence. the mother is the survivors i've been waiting for over twenty years to see this day. who is the chief architect the man who was the commander for the worst atrocities on european sources a second ago that has been put in jail for life it's something

which will not return those innocent children those women. whose whose whose dignity were taken went through rape camps you know those people who are men and boys who were murdered but he certainly will be some consolation this man has been put behind bars you know he represents evil and everything that comes with. you know he was behind. and that was the founder and the chairman of the u.k. based charity remembering seven that's well let's get more now on today's verdict we are joined by. the first legal adviser to the prosecutor's office of the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia and rwanda at the hague he is a human rights lawyer and professor at mcgill university thanks so much for joining us this evening i want to begin first by asking you because the u.n. high commissioner for human rights has said that

a lot it is the appear to me of evil and the prosecution of him is the epitome of international justice how do you feel about the result today was justice served. i think it is astonishing recollection was once untouchable has well be brought to justice as we have when we were drafting the indictments back a month before we could scarcely imagine that one day we captured and of course to hear it from the family invited him until he was arrested today the great for professional justice of the same time how is it possible to adequately punish jennifer i. explode the little international law so we can hope to do to give some measure of justice. will punishment is adequate for

the crimes that you've committed and i want to turn a little bit to the time table that you also just referenced there because critics of this trial they point to the amount of time that it took to bring him to justice more than twenty years here does that frustrate you it frustrates me that we have to be realistic the international criminal justice system which is supposed to remember incarnation was was born with the gift of courage. it's still . largely. we have to understand that there is no army of occupation the one to fly around the world arresting people accused of genocide so i would say justice. better than justice god. and it sends a powerful message to other parents around the world you can be in power today but you will not necessarily be empowered tomorrow and one day you will be brought to justice. but how strong is that message really because i mean when we look at the

biggest figureheads who were convicted by this tribunal lot it carnage milosevic when they began committing their crimes perhaps they didn't imagine a court where they could face international justice now of course we have the international criminal court and yet we have evidence of atrocities still being committed for example in syria just to name one example in your opinion is international justice enough of a deterrent to prevent crimes against humanity and is there any chance that we can see the perpetrators there that they will get their day in court. i would say that international criminal justice provides some measure of deterrent probably two things for the first of punishment and those would deter tyrants rather than from complete murder in order to stay in power international criminal justice it's still in its infancy. it's holding people who'd rather take

a long standing cultural issues and throughout the year until use of you know not one had a very well brought to justice for jennifer that they were plenty of enough atrocities . whether it's the pope or the combo the middle eastern europe you have to this is part of the historical struggle for transform the culture of international relations and to change the boundaries of power and legitimacy and i do think that in the long run if we are we are in the way we are of those in power by a little bit more cautiously to collate atrocities of the use of staying in power and in that long run as the international criminal court you know now takes on this cause as the means for international justice in countries where the accused cannot be tried fairly do you think that it has adequately as a court incorporated the lessons of the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia. international criminal court much more difficult position

because. of tribunal which we regard one country. has to move it across is across the world from uganda congo african republic. so i think that it is a very different part of the creature if you like. with of course you know it was established by the security council there was an international movement on the. properties which doesn't exist now because this. may have learned some of the lessons of the risk of progress of the situation with. different but i would say there is no retreat. from the commitment for national criminal justice today you mentioned syria i could mention one more

international community has dropped the ball they are not pursuing justice has issued so it's not so much with. the lessons of the restructuring it's more the professional community to learn the lessons and i would say. we still have a long way to go aside from criminal justice and procedure i mean one of the hopes . of the should be you know for the former yugoslavia was this process of reconciliation do you think that it was successful in that regard and just generally speaking as you know from your experience as a human rights lawyer i mean you've interviewed survivors you've defended you've prosecuted the accused what do you see as being necessary to achieve reconciliation just generally speaking for crimes that are so gross and so massive on the scale of those for example in the former yugoslavia. first of all i think reconciliation is the primary objective of justice that the solution is incidental to justice.

if you have a solution takes time people forget that the lessons of the nuremberg tribunal were not and race for the german public country perhaps one or two generations later certain distribution of the historical record the message of condemnation of disapproval which will result to tell people that these crimes are committed by individuals others are matters of collective responsibility i think the full have an important effect on future generations but as it's a serious event with today there are still and trenched the most of the trip between the different groups what would the world look like if ruskell norwich was still in power what we were with right over the russia which had never been brought to justice we were still the president who served us so i think the world is a much better place for how dissolve these people to justice and the prospects of

reconciliation all those real difficult much better than if these you hate mongers wards are still in power so that's how we have to look at it still some very important work to be done on that front we thank you very much for joining us this evening to tell us a little bit more about it on we mentioned that you were the first a legal advisor to the prosecutor's office of the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia and rwanda at the hague your human rights lawyer and professor at mcgill university thank you again. lebanese prime minister saad hariri says that he is putting his resignation on hold after the country's president asked him to reconsider and allow time for more dialogue are weary attended independence day celebrations in the capital after returning to levanon late last night it is nearly three weeks since he suddenly

announced his resignation volman saudi arabia lebanese officials accused saudi arabia of forcing her very to resign but hariri has yet to confirm those allegations. and for more on this i am joined now by ben to shell or she is the beirut office director of the high risk all foundation welcome to you so why is this change of heart do you think taking place from horary when it was very a group that today he would be here in lebanon today we're celebrating the lebanese independence day and all parties here had said that console the celebrations if you would not going to her and her it's very important that he came and he deliberate the message and said he is willing to engage in dialogue here. was that saudi arabia was behind his move and there for now his signal to the lebanese population was i'm here for you and i went to my bursaries or the other political

parties what to do to solve the nice crisis i want to talk a little bit more about that role of outside powers like saudi arabia and iran what do you make of the role that they are playing in this and that in the small state that has always been the focus of regional powers and therefore how to reduce movement the future movement is backed by saudi arabia we have other movements that are backed by iran and i think given the controversy these two have in the region lebanon is one of the least the target way for them to find out. so is the crisis would you say over now what do you anticipate her various next move will be . well the main aim of all political activity in there is to have the parliamentary elections that are scheduled for may next year this really do you

believe because that poly moment has extended its mandate several times and now we're looking forward to these elections and they for one thing the crisis as such is not over but at least and a very important step has been done by having him back here so there is a possibility to discuss the issues at stake what's the feeling on the ground there in lebanon i mean what sort of reception did the people give her area when he came back it was a very warm welcoming back also in the weeks before we already saw a lot of posters in all the streets of beirut to find poster is a good image of heavy saying we're all we hear there really was a large effort of political parties and activists here to stress own the importance of his return to focus on the future of lebanon and to sheller director of the beirut office for the heinrich post if done thank you so much. thank you.

zimbabwe's former vice president everson and not god has arrived back in harare in preparation to take power after president robert mugabe's shock resignation i'm not god well has fled to south africa earlier this month after being fired by mugabe a short while back he addressed his supporters outside of the headquarters of the ruling zanu p.f. party. the crowds in harare a welcome home their hero. and emerson and god failed to disappoint. it didn't take him long to connect with his support. for our use of. force. today a. week to see. you do any of you i know you won't be able to see the. end. of

his return follows a historic day in zimbabwe on tuesday the speaker of parliament announce that robert mugabe had resigned after thirty seven years in power. harare celebrated the beginning of a new chapter in zimbabwe's history. today though all eyes were squarely on the man god. he's expected to be sworn in as interim president on friday. in the midst of political changes the african union took a more cautious approach. it was a transition most to be a short term one as the constitution provides for elections in july and these elections must be free democratic inclusive where everybody is allowed to run. the vote is expected to be held by september two thousand and eighteen what shapes and by the way will be and by then will depend

a lot on this man. it is twelve years to the day since agel americal was sworn in as german chancellor for the first time and never has her grip on power been weaker than now the breakdown in coalition talks at the weekend has thrown the formation of a new government in doubt fresh elections are still a possibility president frank steinmeyer is talking to political leaders this week to put the process of forming a government back on track the leader of the bavarian conservatives force to see how far as visited the president today. but the focus is turning away from the parties involved in the failed coalition negotiations the social democrats have rolled out and tearing into another grand coalition with chancellor merkel's conservatives but now some members of the party are advocating a different approach. the conservative c.d.u. c.s.u. bloc working together with the social democrats and the federal government the only

team also formed the new one there's already support for a new edition of the grand coalition the conservatives want to stay in power. you know what we need a partner who at the moment still refuses to go along the s.p.d. needs to quit pouting so far s.p.d. party leaders have shown no interest in governing on election night they ruled out joining a grand coalition something they reiterated after the collapse of the recent coalition to goshen ations. we remain unafraid of new elections in view of the results of this year's elections on september twenty fourth we will be available to enter into a grand coalition. you know nichols or. so. but germany's president is increasing the pressure he even alluded to the s.p.d. is a rigid stance during a visit with schoolchildren is it. in those who barricade themselves behind

assertions as we are now witnessing can only be reached with great difficulty later . there are even rumblings within the s.p.d. itself not everyone is thrilled with the possible role in the opposition as president president steinmeyer has made a very clever announcement he said that we now have been called upon to talk i always very much favor coming to decisions at the end of talks and not at the beginning. among funk. even the would be governing green party thinks the social democrats should not refuse in spite of everything. probably won't work to their advantage to enter into a grand coalition again that's the dilemma but this general refusal to negotiate is unacceptable. as the chief martin shultz has probably started to reconsider

suddenly he is reported to have said that the s.p.d. will put the country's interests ahead of its own shorts is due to meet president on thursday. and for more on all of this i'm joined here in the studio by political analysts christopher knew and thank you so much for joining us from violence for university but before we get started with our conversation i first want to play something for you and for our viewers and then get your reaction there after because you had a scars from the s.p.d. i was asked if his party leader was right to rule out joining a coalition government and this is what he set i think the social democrats should reconsider what they would as president said that all parties have the duty to talk with each other before they go into another election and that's what we are going to do so we are talking about all the issues that we having there were parts of our election campaign and we're looking for partners and nobody knows it will end if we

have a new election a grand coalition or if you have if you tolerate some other coalition without a majority. and that is not the position that the head of his party has so christophe what are we to make of this so he is he is reflecting some tensions that have been growing within the s.p.d. itself. should has been very adamant about not wanting another grand coalition. as pretty leadership officially has the same position up until quite recently but of course this is easy to say when you think there is going to be another government but now that those coalition talks have failed of all the spotlight is back on the s.p. day and i think a lot of members of parliament in particular are worried that another election might hurt them just as much as it hurts all the other parties and when we talk about this party in particular the s.p.d. just to remind our viewers we're talking about a grand coalition this is governing from the center here in germany this is the government that you know was in place the last time so it would very much be the

status quo you know if the s.p.d. were to be convinced to participate there's going to be a conversation that effect coming up on thursday between much in jolts and between the president. how do you think that that's going to go to the president has been doing quite a good job of reminding all the parties involved that they have a duty not just to their base and not just to party politics as usual but also to democracy and to govern right he said there is a responsibility to govern and to form a government is a sense there is a sense of duty associated with this and i think he will remind. even the s.p.d. you know where you is what he was a member of he will tell them that they too have that responsibility and i think whether or not this will take is of course up in the air is shell's going to have to give in ultimately. he may have to again another election may be damaging just as much to the s.b.a. as it is to all the other parties involved the recent election polls are not good

for them lender level elections have not been great for them either so it is a risky strategy to just push for another election for them do you see any way other way out of this because i mean you have on the one hand you have the free democrats they have rolled out again joining a government the only other option really seems to be a minority government or new elections do you see a path i think the president has been doing a good job for creating a new narrative where the previous possibility of a minority government becomes feasible not just not because people wanted but because it is the last option but it is an option for stability it is an option that gives breathing room to voters and parties alike to reconstitute their interests to rebuild their their capacities and i think that maybe those kind of that kind of new framework may allow in minority government where maybe the

s.p.d. tolerates and the fact that the s.p.d. is no even willing to go on air to say this shows that he has already has had an effect so many open questions still yet to be answered and we thank you so much for joining us this evening to tell us a little bit more about the potential scenarios help us try and make sense of it all kristoff no end from berlin's free university we very much appreciate you coming into the studio thanks for having me. well the day is nearly done but as over as the conversation continues online you can find us on twitter either out to the news my handle is seroquel a.t.v. don't forget you can use the hash tag the day thanks so much for watching we'll see you next.

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