hours. >> good evening. i am christina. i am thrilled to welcome you to the second event of the 2024 free & equal presidential debate

series. we are live from new york i want to begin by thanking marie for another stunning rendition of our national anthem. and lift every voice and sing. more americans identify as independent than as either republican or democrat. that is why we want to amplify more voices ando encourage discourse, raise awareness of the multitude of choices the voters actually have. tonight's debate will feature five independent candidates running in this year's presidential election. candidates were selected by the public through our voting up. they represent a variety of party affiliations and bring an array of positions to the table. we will laugh targeting questions on the topic the mainstream media asome questions were

submitted by the public. at the conclusion of the event, we will host a pollour website for you to decide the winner of the debate. the poll will be open for 72 hour make sure to weigh in with your thoughts. please join the conversation using the #freeandequal. she is a former news network, caitlin sinclair. a familiar face from last month's -- excuse me. we also have from last month's debate, jason palmer. caitlin, what if you want to be involved in this event? >> i believe younger voters are increasinglyalternatives to classic politicians, certain policies we

have seen for some time now. in my opinion, you look at the most apathetic group out there right now, the millenials. they do not feel represented. they are looking for a different perspective. i am excited to highlight this platform for all candidates. >> thank you for being here and for the youth. jason, we are glad to have you back with us. thank you for your together, which is cosponsoring tonight's event. >> it is my pleasure to be here on behal campaign and a newly founded corporation i want to announce to all of you. it is called together and its goal is to increase participation in this year's election and future months. i have experienced firsthand the media and electoral challenges for independents and new candidates who have not been

involved with traditional party for a long time. citizens deserve messaging from all candidates to make the best decision at the polls. i was excited to participate in last month's debate and tonight. i may not agree with all of these candidates' viewpoints but i welcome the opportunity to share their views and it is crucial for our american democracy. >> great to have jason here tonight as an example of how the free & equal elections foundation focuses on unity to bring about solutions. let's introduce the participants in tonight's debate. from the libertarian party, we have chase oliver. also from the pa socialism and liberates him -- green party we have dr. jill stein and jasmine sherman. we also have from the

libertarian party, chase oliver. we look forward to a lively, respectful exchange of ideas. the format, each candidate will deliver a two statement. then we will ask a series of questions allowing a two-minute response and a one minute rebuttal. each candidate has four opportunities for rebuttal. we will include a few shorter rapidfire questions as a way to cover even more topics.the debate will conclude with a two minute closing statement from each candidate. the order of the candidates was determined by a random draw. we will begin starting with laura -- please give us your introduction. >> when i said the system is rigged, you know that is true. are you ready to do something about it? i am. i am pissed and i'm over it. the entire system is corrupt and only you have the power to

un-rig it. our economy is rigged. our government has stolen $34 billion. it is reducing your standard of living in the form of inflation. you all feel it every day when you go to the store. the corrupt irs has been targeting citizens. we need to end the regime of the corrupt irs of their paycheck. only you have the power to un-r ig the system. joke. my prices go up while the quality of care goes down. we all know it is a rigged system that neto down. our criminal justice system is also a total joke. we have had a 50-year war on drugs that is a failure. we have to stop criminalizing people for victimless crimes and treat people with dignity to get them the help they need. what you put in your body is your choice and the government should have no say in that whatsoever. i am trying to un-rig the system in america because everyone is

filling the pressure. whether it is your education system, your health care system, i just want to make americans feel better. the government has completely shammed the system. website and learn more about my policies, un-rig the system and make thank you. >> thank you. excuse me. [background shouting] >> thank you, security is taking care of that. we do not allow that in the room. >> thank you so much for having us, free & equal foundation. a platform that is necessary in

the sham that is democracy in the united states. i am a working-class second-generation immigrant mother organizer educator and a proud socialist. i am also a member of the party for socialismeration that has existed for the last 20 years and has been on the front lines of struggle across different fronts of struggles. everything from defending our rights to housing, our rights to health care, against police brutality. we are actively engaged all across the country organizing, educating and mobilizing working-class people to end the dictatorship of the billionaires which is ultimately the root of our problem. the u.s. does not lack resources. it does not lack the ability to provide housing, create jobs, provide free health care and

education for everyone in society. instead we have a society that produces misery, creates 160 million people living in or near poverty, produces 500,000 people living in homelessness. we have a handful of billionaires and profit-makers that are benefiting from our misery and suffering. billionaires and millionaires who profit from the endless war and occupation. we need solutions that meet the scales of the problem. weink we can reform capitalism. it is urgent to get the billionaire class out of power. our campaigis here to expose brutality and organize, mobilize for the society. votesocialist2024.com. >> it is great to see you again. we have been doing this for 12 years nowg in your process.

in tribute to free & equal, we very much need a debate.i am enjoying hearing things we do not normally hear. the american public is desperate forethis is wonderful. my background is as a medical doctor, where i have worked for decades in the clinic. i became very frustrated with how our health cannot be addressed -- tried working upstream on social drivers of illness and discovered reform stymied by the powers that be. i moved from clinical medicine to political medicine to address illnesses, are rigged political system -- our rigged political system that ma we are in this historic moment right now, where the usual order of things, that of empire and

oligarchy, is essentially teetering at the brink and we are all feeling crisis in our lives in virtually every dimension of our lives.or deep change has never been so urgent. the possibility of that change has never loomed so large. much thanks to the action of people in the listening audience, people who are here t for an end to endless war and genocide, the fight for justice in the workplace, the fight for debt, defending mother earth and rescuing are very embattled civil liberties which are very much under attack. we need solutions but solutions are not permissible in the current political environment. breaking up our zombie duopoly zombie political system is essential and look forward to discussing some of the ways to do that tonight. thank you >> [applause] >> good evmy name is jasmine sherman and i want to get some basics out of the way.

i am sat, i am black, i am a socialist running for president of united states. i am not wealthy, i am not living off a trust fund set up , rich parents. i'm not looking to make my friends wealthy or write a book. this election is a black swan event like never before. a third-party candidate can win. we do not have to pretend that move parties to the right or left. if you want guaranteed housing universal health care, free education and universal basic income you will vote for jasmine sherman. all my policies will be read to you on my website. let's reset. we do not need to keep attending. you know what is wrong you do not need to hear politicians who are wealthy and will go home to their nice houses telling you about the problems you experienced. you know there is no food in the

refrigerator you know there is no money in your bank account. what you don't know is what will solve your issues faster. politicians have wonderful ideas. but what you need is change. you do not need some icon. you need someone who can make sure you can feed your family, educate your children, spend time with them. right now our country is at the precipice and we need to push it forward. if you actually want to do something i would recommend you listen to a candidate who has a plan to put money in your pocket rrif you are not interested, go to jasminesherman.com for more details and to donate because we have work to do. [applause] i amth my time. >> thank you jasmine. >> thank you very much for having me here. i think we probably agree there

are a lot of problems. >> they cannot hear you on the mic. one moment. >> can you hear me now? >> we are good. please start over. >> i want to say thank you for giving us the opportunity to debate today. i imagine many on the folks on stagave agreement about the problems we face. my name is chase oliver. i want to be the libertarian candidate for united states because i know people are getting sick and tired of being sick and tired. over 60% of voters have said they're willing to vote for a candidate not named joe biden. we need to seize this opportunity to bring new solutions to the table. my solutions are rooted in freedom. if you are living yo life in peace, not committing violence your life is your life, your property is youroperty or business of an overly intrusive government

we have seen frankly my entire adult life. i am 39 years old. i am half of donald trump's age. my generation fought the war on terror. the entire real estate market fell out from underneath us as big banks got bailed out in the regular guy got screwed over. it is my generation trying to raise families all over the country with record inflation caused by the overly abusive and intrusive federal govt that continues to stifle growth. i got started in politics being an antiwar advocate. i am antiwar to the core. i oppose the warfare state all over the world and we need to bring our troops back home. we need to have our military removed from every continent. the only purpose of the military is to protect us from invasion. i believe in the rights of free movement immigrants. we have an immigration crisis at rn border. it is the government who refuses immigrants to work and start their american dream.

i have also been a criminal justice reform advople should be on a level playing field with law enforcement and the government when they get their day in court and that is not happening. go to votechaseoliver.com to see my full platform. >> thank you, chase. [applause] >> question 1. immigration. reflecting the voice of the electorate, we ask questions directly from the public for today's debate. the first question chosen for its relevance and widespread concern. given the evolving tactics of drug cartels, including the use of advanced technology, undergd tunnels and the smuggling of narcotics and human trafficking, what innovative approaches do you conceive to stay ahead of these criminal organizations and safeguard our borders while protecting americans thpopulations often exported by drug cartels who are smuggling.

>> one of the things my platform does is recognize there is an immigrant crisis at the border. the u.s. -- what we need to do decriminalize all substance abuse items. we need to put safe use centers in every zip code. we need to get people universal health care. it must be in your zip code. you must have access. it should include your prescriptions and holistic care. by making sure we go ahead and make the country easy to access, the same way it is easy to ng to ellis island, we would not have the border crisis. what we need to do is make sure we provide more medicaltreat drug issues like a chemical dependency problem and disease they are instead of pretending these problems are bigger and not solvable. we have the funds to do it. what we do not have his leaders willing to put doctors in every

zip code. we do not havee not trying to play nice with the bad guy. we need youn leadership, more direction, entry americans the way they want to be treated. i understand we have allowed our government to make us think people are flooding our borders and to think america is under invasion but that is not accurate. we have tons of room in this country for more people. we had tons of room when people were taking over and jenna siding indigenous people here -- and genociding indigenous people here. we should reform the system and put money back in americans' pockets. there is space for all of us. the difference is we need to be working towards making this country better. i am done with my time. [applause] >> chase. >> the point of your question is

great. you talk about how we are digging tunnels. this is a perfect reason we don't need a giant wall on our southern border full of razor wire, stealing people's property to build that. we need to have an ellis island style immigration system. you should be able to come to report of entry, do a quick check, and come here and get to work. there are jobs that need to be filled. there are people willing to do that and we need to keep the government from getting in the way of those people. if you look at the number of businesses crated by native born or first-generation immigrants, immigrants improve our economy and increase the economic pie for everyone. talking about defunding cartels the best way to do that is eliminate the war on drugs and remove the profit motive for cartels. people to come through ports of entry easily, we would be able put our focus on human trafficking. let peaceful people in and let

the small sliver of human traffickers be taken down by law enforcement. i. do want to say this the time attacking immigrants. those we thrown against our forefathers who came here from germany, ireland, italy, and all over europe. now they're coming from south of the border and everywhere else. we should be welcoming them here. they could be the next generation of american ottoman oars, business owners -- american entrepreneurs, business owners, people who create jobs and prosperity. i don't believe in the scare live near immigrants, go to church with them, and it's ridiculous anybody would try to stop good, hard-working people from wanting to come to our country and stop there american dream the way 40% of our country did. we need to get government out of the way. >> thank you.

-- to mitigate the immigration crisis, which happens to be a

crisis now, but was not when the european settlers came to this nation but so far, happens to be now, because it's racialized, and gendered, so when we think about immigration we need to think about foreign policy the ways the u.s. has, through imperialist mechanisms,60 million people across the world are moving because of wars, famine and climate change. the best thing to do is get out of other peoples nations. our solution is dioreign built on collaboration, bill on bringing back troops, closing the 800 military bases across the globe, shutting down nato, shutting down the southern command, and putting those soldiers that are out there doing the bidding of capitalism, in this country to do meaningful work. [applause]

>> lawrence? >> thank you. i love that you framed it in the form of the cartels because this is the problem that i see in america today. prohibition does not work. we have prohibition in the 1930's around alcohol and what did that create? al capone. the government creates monopolies in crime when they prohibit things and they have created a monopoly for the cartels. if you are in business, what do you do when you are in business? you try to increase sales and production. the cartels are in the business of selling drugs and pushing drugs on americans. i believe the failed war on drugs has created more drug users than it has stopped. it is time to end this failure. throwing more people in jail and spending more money on the problem will not fix it. we have to de-schedule drugs at the federal level and in the cartels altogether. will solve a big part of the problem at our southern border. we have chaos at our southern border because of the federal government's policies at the.

the cartels are disrupting the people south of the border and they are fleeing the violence and crime that co so by eliminating them, we can get rid of the problems, but there is still chaos so we need to streamline easily, find work easily and be legal in this country like my ancestors were able to come and try to find the american dream. claudia. we need to stop the imperialism in america. we need to stop rejecting ourselves all over the world. we need to close down those 800 bases she was talking about. we could use that money to create an energy race would lower the cost of energy across america and lower the cost of energy across the world. that would start lifting people up all over the world without america spending any more money. [applause] >> thank you. jill? >>tsre. i completely agree this crisis of immigration is a crisis

that's been created really, by the united states through our foreign policy, through our economic domination, and through climate change where we have been the major contributor to the destabilization of the climate, and on the issue of economic destabilization consider for example the number of immigrants that have come from guatemala. where did that originate? that was favor for united fruit and overthrowing the democratically elected government of guatemala but way back in the 1950's to prevent redistribution of land so poor people and peasants would have a means of survival, basically. thatr again. it's been documented that the u.s. has conducted regime change , largely covertly, through the cia. approximately 70 times since the second world war. that does not even include the wars we have conducted, which are of course another source of

drastic destabilization and the source of migrants. and it's worth reminding people that this foreign policy based on economic domination has a name. it's called full-spectrum dominance. it says the quiet part out loud, that the united states specifically, through its military and the pentagon, has declared we will dominate all regions of the globe at all times in all spheres of potential conflict. and we assert that power. wer now in the middle east, where israel long ago declared the unthinkable battleship for the united states, essentially safeguarding access to oil which, way back when, we need that oil. now we don' to basically control that oil. so this is about reforming u.s. policy and ending the spigot driving this migration crisis. >> thank you.

any rebuttals? any rebuttals before we move on to the next question? >> i would just like to say that all of americaand babies crawl under barb wire at the southern border. we are tired of seeing people separated from their families. as a parent that devastates me and we can do better. we need to end the chaos at the border. >> let's move on to question two. in your opening statement, chase, you did mention that criminal justice reform wasthere is a growing movement against what some call the prison industrial complex. america has more people in prison and jail per capita than any country in the world except china. you think there's a crime wave and howould you rethink our criminal laws and penalties for the 21st century? what steps would you take to ensure prisons are more focused

on rehabilitation? take it where you i don't think we are in the middle of a crime wave. i think we are in the middle of an over criminalization wave. we mentioned the war on drugs. i can mention consensual sex work or any behavior where you are not hurting another person. it should be legal. we throw so many people in jail for this and it creates trauma. when you take someone who is an addict and you put them in jail, you traumatize them throughout that process. then they get back on the street. what's the first thing they do? they go to alleviate that trauma with drugs. 's ruining so many communities in this country particularly communities of collagen those -- of color and those that don't have the taken down. i propose reforming criminal justice. officers should be required to carry liability insurance so when they do do wrong that comes out of their policy.

we need to do things like end the death penalty, mandatory minimums and private prisons. i don't believe the government should do a lot but one of those things should be criminal justice. i want to remove the profit motive for having people in prison. d every step of the way through even release and probation and the abuses of people paying hundreds of dollars of -- dollars a month to be monitored by the state, i want to change this. but we are not in a crime wave. we are in a media generated fear wave. afraid when you go to the ballot box because when you are scared it's easier to control you. i don't want to be afraid of people. i trust that most people are good people and if given the chance they would be able to live their lives in peace without the interference of government. remove the overociety and qualified immunity -- end qualified immunity, and get back to a system where people are equal in a court of law. >> thank you. >> my platform abolishes police

and prisons. we switched to a system where you have someone at a home. my platform also gives everybody guaranteed housing. it comes to preserving police and prisons, we think it's time to stop dehumanizing americans. anyone who has questions about my policy can read it at jasminesherman.com. however, it's time to switch to a house arrest system with a community task force.defunding and abolishing the police is the first step. there's no reason for a stranger who does not live in your zip code to be patrolling your neighborhood. it makes sense to start community task forces and pay individuals within the community to watch their own neighborhoods. that helps stimulate the economy and create jobs and keeps people at home where they want to be. >> thank you. jill? >> we are indeed an over criminalizing society. the vast majority of people who are incarcerated hav violent crime.

the majority is there for nonviolent drug crimes. this creates all sorts of knockoff problems. for the cost of incarcerating someone, we could be providing them with a college education and they have a positive role and skill to be contributing members of society. in addition to our extremely oppressive and criminalizing drug laws, we should also be addressing poverty and the causes of impoverishment and the desperation that drives petty crime. but when we are mentioning petty crime, one should be mindful that petty crimes are so small compared to corporate crime and the routine ripoff of the public interest by walllarge billionaires

who also received enormous subsidies from the public by wayta breaks,. the corporate contribution to our taxes, in fact, used to be about 6% of gdp after the second world war. it's now 1% of gdp. so in giving away the store to the most fortunate those who are essentially rolling in profit we have essentially de-invested in our communities in our schools, in health care and so on, and created a desperate environment that often leaves people little choice other than a criminal so by legalizing drugs and providing forn essentially massively reduce the incarceration. and people should also be pardoned and released from jail. >> thank you. claudia. >> we need to understand the very basis and foundation of the

criminal justice system in this country, of the incarceration system, and it's based on private property. it's based precisely on the control and surveillance of people. there was no abolition of slavery in this country. the differentiation of the transference of methodology. people in prison still -- still -- do free labor for this country. we need to abolish the prison-industrial complex that has a profit motive. we need to understand security in our communities as housing, employment, education. those are things we need. we need to understand that the majority of crimes that jill mentioned are crimes of survival. people trying to make ends meet in this country. and so we need to be clear that when we are talking about mass incarceration, does not protect society.

we are talking about policing and the increase in budgets that happen every year for police departments across the country. it does not provide security. it provides violence and brutality in our communities. 2023 we saw a record highs of police brutality in our communities. and so we need to be able to understand the very roots to deal with the problem and not just the symptoms. if we want to be able to abolish prisons, we need to abolish capitalism. if we want to abolish policing, we need to abolish capitalism and provide a society, create a society, able to provide us with our basic and human rights so that we have a reduction in crime, because sociologists talked about that. where there's less need for people to cover their needs there is less crime. we want less crime? we went to be able to provide for ourwe want to be able to provide for a people

-- we want to be able to provide for our people. >> thank you. >> clearly the criminal justice system is rigged. we see that in the upper echelons of government were congresspeople and the elite are able to get away wis that normal people would never be able to get away with. yet somehow there's tears of justice based on who you know and how much money you have. we need to level the playing field. some of the ways we can level the playing field is end qualified immunity so police cannot hide behind a badge and if they do something that is bad they get held accountable. we have to get rid of the profit motive and we can do this by ending civil asset forfeiture. that's how they can fund their own departments and put money in their pockets and it's clearly a rigged system. i talked about ending the failed war on drugs.

and to claudia's points desperate people do desperate things and there are people suffering financially and economically due to the way our economic system is run so we need to lift those peopleimprove the economy for all people. i grew up poor with an outhouse and no electricity and i was able to live the american dream and found a large and successful company. i went all americans to be able to get to that level of success and have a standard of living we can be proud of. we used to have that before and i call for an end to the federal reserve becau one of the key institutions creating wealth inequality in income inequality in america by stealing money from regular people and handing it to the banking cartel. that goes to the corporations. by the time it trickles down to the rest of us, we get pennies on the dollar. wen yu to embrace our economy and get it going.

we can get the economy and left --ifted up and there will be less crime. >> thank you, lars. does anyone want to offer a rebuttal by something said by another? claudia? claudia: i want to take the time to mention political prisoners imprisoned by the capitalist system because they have done things for the rights of people, for black liberation, indigenous liberation. we have people like edward snowden and julianamerica refuses to understand that not everything that is legal is legitimate. not everything that is legal is right and we have the right to create the level of society that allows us to live in dignity. this is what these political prisoners have done. jamal, peltier, the black liberation movement, freedom fighters that after coming out of being kidnapped by the state

have died. the united states government republicans, democrats the ruling class in this country are killing our people. we need to stop that. [applause] >> chase? chase: i wanted to speak to a couple comments that have been made particular about corporate control of our law enforcement. i am from atlanta. they try to slander us by saying we are from out of town but the truth is the people who are out of town are the corporate funders of the atlanta police foundation. so it's important for people to unite together across this -- across the political spectrum. we talk about the 13th amendment and the fact that we had legalized slavery in this country. i heard a story of a young man who worked wonders 36 hours and sent his money that's worked 136 -- worked 136 hours and sent his money tohe people of gaza and it was $36.

your governor's mansion is being scrubbed by prison labor. up. the government is abusing people and corporations are the people invested in making sure we are subjugated by our government and we should oppose it at every level. [applause] >> claudia raised her hand. sorry, jasmine. your next. jasmine: i wanted america to know my platform is the only one that ends prison and let's everyone out of jail and keeps people from going to jail. that's it. i am done. [applause] >> on the subject of cop city, what we are seeing there is the criminalization of political beliefs, the criminalization of community resistance to the destruction of its rare environmental recreation space which is being systematically destroyed to further criminalize the -- to further militarize the

police department. this is exactly what is wrong and it's essentially cr charges essentially, for attempting to protect their open-space and their forests and who have now been subject to charges and are at risk of enormous criminal penalties and long-term jail sentences, aly example of it. this is a growing trend of political repression that goes hand-in-hand with the growing hammer of censorship, oppressive political environment that we are now fighting, which is bipartisan, and which demands our resistance and our opposition. [applause] >> right. i want to make a quick note. we will not be able to get to all the public questions. we will encourage our invite you all to join us on twitter after the debate -- or

x, i should say. the handle is @freeandequal. how will you ensure that tribal nations are adequately protected beyond recognizing broken treaties and land acknowledgments? what will you do to address the systemic inequality on indigenous reservations across the united states? what steps would you take in returning land back to indigenous nations? and how would you reinforce indigenous sovereignty and self-determination? we are goiclaudia: i think that the united states ruling class has a historic debt to the indigenous people of this country. we need to be able to pro reparations not only to the indigenous people of this country but also black americans because this country was founded on the genocide and the displacement ousdigeno of

enslaved africans that were brought here to build this country. so we have a historic debt with in black americans. we believe that it is important to restore the treaties broken over and over and over again. we have to level the which means we need to work to rebuild those communities. and substance abuse are in the hands of many administrations that have come through the ruling class that extracts and steals the land from these communities so when we are talking about a socialist solution, we are talking about understanding and assuming the historic responsibility we have with those communities. land that belongs to the indigenous communities should be given back. being able to provide the resources necessary for the indigenous community is an immediate call and being able to

again level the playing field and provide for those communities that have been brutally and violently placed in the conditions of poverty that they are in now. i still have 20 seconds but, you can have it. >> do you want to continue? jiwe will move on to you. jill: absolutely. those broken treaties need to be restored particularly large open space areas and forests and natural regian rivers that are traditionally part of indigenous territories, which were stolen from them, they should be managed by indigenous people. no one would do it better. case in point, indigenous lands are classics for being subject to extraction and destruction and enormous pollution and

standing rock, for example, in north dakota. the pipeline going through standing rock put at risk the and the drinking water for something like 20 million people. the same is true now with the mountain valley pipeline, in fact. these are all invading indigenous territories and it's the indigenous nations who are really leading the fight not only to protect their sovereignty, not only to protect their land, but to essentially provider us all in fighting to keep the air clean and the water clean. they are basically fighting for us all and they have the traditional and indigenousof wisdom to know the absolute critical nature of this -- of these resources. one of the activists that they have worked with with the green party and south dakota made the comment the other day that the u.s. and western

measures wealth in terms of how much you have, but among indigenous cultures, the wealth as measured by how much you give away. and that's really consistent with their understanding of the invaluable nature of our resources, and in particular their sovereignty must b respected before their natural resources are exploited in any way whatsoever. >> thank you. lause] lars, we will move on to you next. lars: thank you very much. government has broken many promises to all kinds of people over the years. i am reminded of a mule and acre of land after the civil war was done. i'm reminded about how the government placed the native americans into oklahoma and into various states there and then, when they found resources in those areas they decided that there was no longer their land and they would move them to some other land. we continue with this practice today with eminent domain laws,

where the government seizes people's property for the common good, as it were, and they displace these people that have worked hard for their land, they have put sweat and tears into their land, and take that and give it to the private sector or to the government, and i believe this policy is a continuation of this. for native americans, there's been a grave disservice. for black americans, there's been a grave disservice over and over again and the government. has not changed its ways we need to at least stop the government from behaving the way it does and infringing on people's rights and taking their land. it is something to goes on over and over again. we have to respect the trees we have put in place. and where there has been damage to be shown it should be rectified through the court system. the thing is is that native americans have been given a bad lot. african-americans have been

given a bad lot and are suppressed economically because the government stole their land, stole their ability to have a good economic prosperity. and so to lift these people up by helping our economy grow so it lifts all people up. i have a plan to doyou can find it on lars24.com. >> chase, you next. chase: when talking about the issue of tribal sovereignty, the baseline is to start respecting the treaties made over the years and we have continuously broken. when a wrong is done you have to rectify that through some sort of recompense. i believe that can come through the form of land. we have a lot of federal land that used to be tribal sovereign land that could be returned. i believe there's a completely legal framework to get that done. what i want to talk about is the fact that from the smallpox the western world have been treating indigenous people like cr

ap, and you see this in communities all over the country that have suffered through poverty, substance abuse at all kinds of things and it relates back to the original sin of the treatment of indigenous people, so i would seek tribal sovereignty 100%. i don't want people putting a pipeline on tribal land unless the tribe once it there and have determination over that land.if they are going to be selling that, should be paid to the tribe. it should not be taken away by imminent domain and other processes. by respecting the fact of tribal sovereignty should be absolute. i support the right of tribal people, if they want to secede from the government of the u.s., they shoulde every right to do it and we should not stop them one bit absolutely. >> jasmine, go ahead. jasmine: in america, police solved less than 4% of crimes. let's say you bought a stolen car. they would make you give the stolen property purchased back. we need to give land back. my platform provides people with

guaranteed housing because we give the land back. that means no rent, no mortgage. we cannot say we will give indigenous people sovereignty and then not. we cannot say we will give them their federal lands. they need more than that. they want all of their stolen property back. that does not mean it allows you to remain in your home and they have stewardship over the land. that means you would get all the money you spent on purchasing your home back and still be able to remain in your domicile. this also means we end the occupation of hawaii, of guam. we also give puerto rico their land back. we have to act like we really apologize. we cannot do that by giving somebody a piece of something. if you came to my house and took anything, i would want everything you took back. it would not be a polite conversation about what is mine that you took. the same situation we are seeing in palestine where israel has

invaded and occupied their land, is the same thing we did to indigenous people here. i'm not going to pretend and my vp and i have been working with tribes around the country to wr ite a land policy with their voice. if you would like to participate in writing that policy, go to jasminesherman.com. your voice matters. for americans only worry about themselves we are not kicking you out. you will have housing, health care and education. you will not have rent in you we can do things differently if we stop funding israel. >> thank you jasmine. [applause] before we move on, any rebuttals? claudia, i think your hand went claudia: guantanamo needs to be given back to the cuban people. [applause] the decolonization of puerto

rico hawaii, and of every nation the u.s. has its hands and grip on, because they are neo-colonies, even though we don't talk about them. it's important to make the distinction between u.s. imperialist and capitalist government and socialist government. not all governments are made the same. >> jill, go ahead. jill: i just wanted to extend the connection between the indigenous people of the united states that is, the first nations of the united states, and the indigenous people of gaza just noting that there's a very active and horrific genocide that's underway now. regrettably, you know, there is a horrific history of genocide of indigenous people in this country. and that is ongoing, though low-grade, but that continues the oppression and hardship, the sickness, the poverty, the drug

addiction and so on. there's active harm to indigenous people in this country that needs to be rectified but there's also a very active, full-blown genocide going on in gaza now and is critical that we call that and it's critical that we call that to an immediate halt and stop funding to israel and basically apply a national bo and sanctions program towards israel. [applause] >> i wanted to add there's a bureau of indian affai it's high time the government gets completely out of the affairs of native peoples and shut down the bureau of indian affairs completely. [applause] >> thank you all. >> just want to comment that it's interesting that we have two socialists, two libertarians in a green party candidate on stage. >> i'm also a green party candidate and a socialist. you can be both. >> apologies. but you agree quite a bit on

those first three questions. i'm hoping the next question commedia get a little bit of debate between you-all. on environment policy, and this we will start with you jill. with pfa is another chemicals contaminating the drinking water of and affecting an estimated 200 million americans, what actions would you take to hold the responsible parties accountable for this pollution? furthermore, how would you ensure the cleanup of the substances to prevent further contamination despite potential opposition from those big industries you have been talking about? jill: absolutely. our administration would put priority on not only cleaning up those communities, those water sources, these aquifers, related especially to military bases which have been the major source of contamination and reflects

again how dangerous militarization of the country is and the many ways in which it harms us, but it's important people understand the threat that pfa's causes, and while much is not known yet, it needs to be investigated and people need to be informed about the risks we are incurring, but i think it's important that we not confine our attention simpl chemical, because pfa's is one in a long line of toxic and the first was lead. it actually took almost a century of harm to children in the early 1900s. there was thought to be an academic -- an epidemic affecting young children. nobody knew why they were suddenly having strokes. it turned out they were having strokes because leapaint had entered the market and

was being used on the porches of homes, brightly colored paint the tasted sweet. this is by way of illustrating that the system does not protect us. we have so many incidents, one after the other. there was the case of love canal and dioxin and toxic waste sites that came back to haunt us. we are finding these over and we are seeing it now in east palestine, where there's been a spill of extremely toxic chemicals which were ignited when they should not have been and did not need to be, and the epa is actually colluding with the railroad company in order to do a cover-up, and the community has undergone great harm. so this is a case in point of how we need a regulam serving our corporations but us. >> there's a vested interest in each person to breathe clean air

and drink clean water. i think now what we have is government getting slaps on the wrist to people. we have tort caps, fine caps, all these caps that don't cover the breadth damage people are doing. i believe you should be able to seek recompense in court but what we have now is tort caps, so when someone sues and they are getting cancer or some horrible disease, theyiven a few hundred thousand dollars as if that pays the price of what's been done to them. i support removing all tort caps so polluters can pay when they go to court a slap on the wrist. it's not leading to cleaner air and cleaner water when you give that protection to polluters. fact that if you want to live in a cleaner world, we have to stop letting the government pick winners and losers when it comes to energy. whs subsidized by the government today? carbon-based energy. i don't like the government picking winners and losers in the marketplace.

i would deregulate energy entirely, particularly nuclear energy, so we can get more of that online, which burns clean can provide so much power more than natural gas or coal or anything else, and is much safer. people are scared of three mile island or chernobyl but i remind him those are rare things. we see thousands of coal miners who have died of lung disease thousands of people suffering asthma at all sorts of effects fuel. i would like to get back to a policy to remove those camps and let polluters pay when they do something wrong. >> on to lars. lars: i think i have uncovered a new rigged system listening to my panelists here. the government is doing a piss poor job of taking care of people and protecting people from harm. why is that? that is because the government, the congress essentially gives

favors to the rich and to the elites and then those corporations are basthat is why they are able to get away with these things we are talking about, where they are able to cover up things, and reduce the penalties that might come.

shields them from being held accountable and we need to end that by reducing the government and that. thank you. s. jasmine? jasmine: i'm excited. you know to know about -- you need to know about my triple bottom line accounting policy. everything you hear me say tonight has a tangible policy, a plan of transaction. americans cannot wait for someone to get into office and come up with an idea and then have congress and the senate ignore it. americans need to knowhat they are getting into right now. we already have politicians that make false promises. my triple bottom accounting policy takes -- tackles the

environment will concerns corporations have done and the human damage corporations have done. and we go back 37 my money from gm, ge and amazon. if you go to jasminesherman.com you will see the list of them. i also need people to understand we need to keep all of our fossil fuels in the ground. my platform, a policy called the environmental and infrastructure plan, does that. we switch to renewable energy. we make every sing state, city and town ada compliant putting paths on sidewalks, because everyone forgets about the disabled, everyone forgets that the -- that covid is still a thing. everything is connected. the pipes are dirty so we need to get clean water to everyone. we cannot do that through the ground. so look at my policy and review how we give you clean water without costing you more money.

everybody who listens -- my is posted as well. and we need high-speed rail. that puts americans back to work and st economy. i'm done. >> thank you jasmine. [applause] claudia? claudia: understand that when we are talking about the climate crisis, it's connected to many of the human crises, the social and economic crises, we experience. and so we can attempt to regulate corporations that run this country. we cannot. need to see is those corporations and make them public utilities that shift to to seize those corporations and make them public utilities. we need to give it to workers to decide how that will be utilized. one of the ways that can be done -- one of the ways the climate crisis could be tackled in doing that is precisely having, for

example, decolonization of energy resources a renewable shift from the carbon and the oil to renewables, but we also need to be able to understand and jill mentioned this, the pentagon is one of the biggest polluters inand i believe that cutting 90% of the military expense could do a huge service, a huge service to the environment. it is important -- [applause] also to take out the profit motive of many of these so-called corporations that are going green now because that is also a trend. they go green but in reality what they are trying to do is accumulate wealth. energy, for example, these cars that run on energy, are becoming a force of profit -- a source of

profit. sorry. profit for these companies. so we need to be able to come again, extract the wealth -- to, again, extract the well from these billionaires making profit and away from corporations creating the crisis we are experiencing. >> thank you claudia. does anybody want to rebut anybody else in what they said? i have not spoken yet. >> my apologies. jill: i think you started us with pfas. ue and then we shifted to energy. let me speak on energy briefly. >> sure. jill: in fact, i would like to address some of the issues that were raised here. for example, a nuclear, it's important -- example, on nuclear, it's important to understand that without enormous

public subsidies, nuclear would not exist. it is dangerous, expensive, and could not survive without subsidies. the reason nuclear plants are not being built because -- is because they end up being huge holes in the ground. nuclear is not an option. and in terms of whetherjañ) there's some government program that directs us towards green energy, i think it's important to understand that we have a crisis here of monument proportions and for one example understand the colorado river is about to run dry and when it does, the california agricultural system go it, and that's half the fruits and vegetables for this country. so this is not something they can be left to the markets. it cannot be left independent corporations. there needs to be public planning and ownership of infrastructure to ensure our survival.

[applause] >> allow me to defend nuclear energy for a moment. the reason nuclear energy is so expensive and costs are so great is because of the overregulation of the marketplace. nuclear energy is not dangerous. modern nuclear technology is far safer than carbon-based fuels that get trillions of subsidies. if we want to solve the climate change crisis and get ourselves off carbon based fuel, there's no way to do that without using nuclear power today. the technology does not exist to fully replace our entire power infrastructure with renewable energy. i wish it were but it is not. we have the ability to harness the power of nuclear energy that does not put any carbon into the air. it is clean, safe and effective chnology and nuclear shows a smaller footprint than the three mile islands or chernobyls of the past. today's nuclear technology can have a smaller footprint. [applause] >> can go back to jail again --

can it go back to jill again? one more rebuttal. jill: this deserves to be rebutted because it's important to note the wn just because you have a small plant. the risks do not go down. the dangers are still ever present and are extremely that is why nuclear plants have become so large because they are not cost-effective unless they have magnitude and by making them small, you ensure the costs are going to be even greater. so small is a publiciocampaign which is basically being recycled by the nuclear industry and it's a false choice to think we have to choose between nuclear and fossilwe actually have renewables, which far under shoot the costs now of both fossil fuels and nuclear, and this is the technology of the future that is safe and sustainable and affordable. >> claudia and jasmine, did you want to rebut? ok.

chase: i worked for years and the maritime shipping industry and it is one of the areas where we create lots of pollution in the world. we cannot put a windmill onto a container ship but we can put nuclear powered container ships onto the cds that could move products from one area -- onto the that can move products from one area of the world to another. there are applications for nuclear that could curb the climate crisis even if you don't want to build a nuclear power plant. you could build ships that could save carbon from being spewed into the atmosphere and products would be able to get to our doors cheaper if we utilized that. >> lars? lars: i'm calling for an energy race. part of that is abolishing the nuclear regulatory commission because they are stifling innovation. it takes 40 years to build a clin america. france only takes six to eight years.

france is the leading count carbon reduction in emissions because they are building nuclear power plants in the frenzy. china has a plan to put 200 nuclear power plants online within 100 years and we will fall behind. if we do not start reducing energy costs and embracing new te nuclear all kinds of technologies. we should be allowing innovation in america. this will drive jobs, drive down the cost of energy, reduce inflation. there's all kinds of technologies coming out, thorium salt reactors. there's things that eat the waste and use up the waste. people are still thinking of nuclear energy from 50 years ago. technology advances. we computer plants we have to feed with cards. we can do this. americans have the ingenuity to do it and i think americans can do i[applause] >> there is the debate you were looking for. >> from pfas to nuclear.

>> a question on economic policy now. nations have come together to establish alternative financial systems, specifically brics. how do mitigate the impact on the value and relevance of the american currency? and how do you counter the popularity of that bloc engaging with foreign leaders trying to join brics? chase: this has to do with the tariffs we are putting on people, the ways we engage in trade, forcing other countries to band together to create alternative currencies because america has a dominance on the currency because we are the world reserve currency and stifle other countries and keep countries out based on our political believe. and so it's no wonder they are trying get around our hegemony. what we need to do is we need to stop all theave got going on because

foreign trade wars lead to real wars. we need to be embracing trade with other countries so that they don't have to turn other financial instruments. and we are destroying our own dollar because we have printed that reduces the standard of living for all americans and it means the dollar is not worth as much around the world. if you owe $10 million and you are only making $100,000 a year, you are not a good investment. that's what's going on with america now. other countries see this and they are slowly divesting themselves of the dollar because they see we are not a good investment -- we do not spend our money wisely or officially in america. and i bet everyone on this stage would agree we should spend the money america takes from its citizens more wisely and efficiently and we can do that by canceling the banks' credit cards.

we have to rein in the fed and stop the endless printing of money devaluing the dollar in your pocket and reducing your standard of living. thank you. [applause] >> thank you lars. claudia, your next. claudia: it ends us. it is the foundation of this country to dominate, to have control, to have hegemony over the rest of the world. u.s. imperialism thrives on that, so brics is not the problem. u.s. imperialismso we need to understand the capitalist system under which we live is in crisis,ecession depression inflation every four to seven years. every four to seven years there's a bubble that bursts and we will cont capitalism and so we are talking about an economic policy that works for the majority of people in this country, it' not a capitalist economy. that is the policy. we need to abolish capitalism as

it is and as it exists. despite what biden says about the economy and how people feel about the economy, the majority of people in this country are suffering. we have come again, over 160 million people who live in or near poverty. 800 people who die every day in the wealthiest country in the world because of poverty related issues. the socialist solution is to take back the wealth produced by the workers at companies like amazon, exxon mobil walmart nationalize and socialize that wealth. we want to be able to have value in the dollar in the u.s. it does not need to dominate the rest of the world. [applause] >> thank you claudia. jasmine, moving on to you. jasmine: people, i just want you to know, economists work for rich people. most people say with her boss wants them to say. i rarely find an individual that will go, my paycheck or my values. some of them exist but not

everyone is me. one of the things we need to do is end our relationship with the fed. that is not a government agency. we have been duped into believing it is. it is a private company messing with our lives. the other thing is americans need an indexed living wage.i will simple if i that for people -- i will simplify that for people because our education system has failed a lot of us. if walmart raises their prices, they raise their wages. wendy's, f you man. . another thing we need to do is create jobs in communities where people live. that starts with mixed walkable neighborhoods. that starts with renewable energy. that starts with us stopping our pursuit of imperialism. we don't need to be the global dominator. your money should be able to

work here where you live. i understand the question was about how i make with other countries and the way we do that is to take our boots off of their next and renegotiate trade deals. if you go to jasminesherman.com you can see my foreign policy is posted. there's an audio feature if you don't have time to read it. we have to start taking back the right way to live. i know what was done in the past but i don't follow suit with people who don't look like me. and you know what trump and biden look like. it's time for younger people. it's time for marginalized people to lead. it's time for us to put money back in american pockets and they cannot afford for us to wait and make a commission. [applause] >> thank you. jill? jill: so the shift in economic productivityproductivity and resources and wealth has moved from the u.s. and nato to the bricks and that

is enlarging, itjust four or five nations, it is saudi arabia and a number of other countries. this is part of the u.s. empire that has ended its last days and in part, that is all empires kind of come to an end of their terms, our empire is overextended and are empire is busy and expanding our budget and our congressional budgets on destroying other nations and we have moved wars and we have invested $21 trillion since 9/11 in several wars in libya and syria and afghanistan and iraq, they are not over yet. joe biden is bombing three additional countries in order to maintain israel's rights to conduct a genocide. we are bombing syria, iraq, and

yemen. i think it is israel who is bombing yemen, we bombing yemen as well? there you go, four countries as well as iranian targets outside of iran. iran now has a mutual defense treaty with russia. we are absolutely playing with fire and risking nuclear conflict by are proclivity of the engaging absolute empires in its last days. it is important that we ship from being a war economy to a financial i's economy on behalf of wall street that is rethinking the majority of profits to being an economy for working people. >> thank you. [applause] chase: on how we get to strengthen our dollar, quit printing dolut of thin air

to pay for debts and deficits we cannot afford, we need to stop that practice. why is that happening? the federal reserve, somebody who has always supported auditing the fed so they can see what is happening and ending the fed. let us entire money back to silver, saffron, something that has intrinsic value. that will strengthen our dollar. howremove trade wars, tariffs are not paid by china, they are paid by each and every consumer and it creates further economic strife. i was a democrat 16 years ago and i supported a guy and voted for him because he silver 12 close guantanamo -- he said we were going to close guantanamo. i was excited to vote for the candidate and he got elected and walked back on every single promise he made. a libertarian will make those promises and follow through if we were ever elected. if we are blessed with the opportunity to support peace and diplomacy, taking the boot off of the necks of so many people around the world and the war

machine would get it done starting on day one. we want to walk the walk. that involves relate treating people with common respect common grace. teardown all trade barriers and let us see which economies can function in a truly free market. that is what i would like to it starts with strengthening our dollar by stopping controlling of the dollar and ending the war machine that is killing so many people including women and children all over the world what dollars, our bombs have american flags on them and engaging with real diplomacy and not being afraid to you. that cowardice since 9/11 and it will continue as long as republicans and democrats are out of the white house. [applause] >> rep. ogles: for those who are permitted -- rebuttals for those who are permitted? >> use money and your pocketbook today, universal basic income with money back in your wallet,

tax changes, we take full growth . my policies, all of them you can read on my website you can even schedule a meeting with me, you do not need a[indiscernible] in your pocketbook. i will stop talking because you cannot hear me anyway. >> i believe claudia had one up? claudia: the very reason -- >> we are going to hold for one second. [applause]

[indiscernible] >> we will let you finish if you have more to add. thank you. jasmine: i know you could not hear me before but at the end of the day you need universal basic income, we cannot afford to pay 95 billion, we have the funds to treat americans right. our elected officials make the choice not to treat you well. bafta end our abusive relationship with the government or any politician who cannot tell you what they would do. tomorrow is a politician that is wasting your time. that is it. that sounds better! thank you for that! >> we will go to claudia and come to you. claudia: we have to go to the root of the problem which is capitalism, we need to abolish the federal reserve.

no one votes for them and they control our ability to live or die in this country. there needs to be an abolishment of the insti to seize the money to be able to provide a universal income to people. to have a democracy within these workplaces where people can actually decide how they will utilize their profits and how they will actually engage in being and contributing the wealth that they produce. we do need to go to the root of the problem, time is running out and people are fed up and it is time. [applause]>> i want to take the opportunity to talk about cryptocurrency and the opportunity to different type of currency. we need to allow american citizens, if the government will steal our money through printing massive debt we need to allow for alternative currencies to be

developed. one of these might be bitcoin or another cryptocurrency. additionally, i want voice my concerns about central-bank digital currencies which are on the horizon. these digital currencies make the fed look like a little child when it comes to the authoritative nature of the central-bank digital currencies because it allows the government to surveilled each and every transaction that you do and they will know what you are doing in real time and we cannot allow it central-bank digital currencies to take effect and finally, we have to abolish the irs altogether because this is the way the government is stealing your money and we need to allow citizens to take on a percent of their paycheck so they have the money to pay for the expensive things that the government has created. thank you. [applause] >> moving on to our next question. national unity, this is fitting to have such an adverse use -- so a diverse group of

individuals. it is a dream come true to see is group the national unity was growing public distrust and disillusionment of the two party system or are registered as independent then democrat or republican this reflects political thought leaders that are -- americans are turning to others to unite our country. given your policies represent a divergence from politics as usual in the united states, can you provide a contemporary example of how your policies are why should the u.s. consider adopting them? how would you adapt these policies do you a country of 300 millionjasmine: an example of how my radical policy would work is the same way that israel is living rent-free on your dime, you could do it for yourself here. america already shells out enough in taxes to provide you with quality housing quality

health care, quality education. it is time that we actually utilize that for americans. i do think t is not a race to emulate other countries. i think the whole point of being someone who is a third-party candidate is to not continue the status quo. i do not see the purpose in preserving hunger, starvation, those are things that are happening not just in gaza but right here. have people who are malnutrition right here in the united states i understand that the focus is people are worried about too much socialism and what you will lose, you do not have the lose anything for someone to get a bigger piece of the pie if we stop funneling all of our money overseas to baghdad and corporations who do not pay taxes. some of you are filing your does not pay taxes, they receive tax money. that is messed up. we do not need to continue what we have been doing, we need to do something that will stop our

generation, millennials, gen z from suffering. we already know generations that have been in charge forever, all 38 years i have been here are going to get us. we have seen what they do to our envid to corporations, it is not millennials who are ceos tearing down rain forests, it is older people. we do not need more of them in our government, we need term legends -- we need edge caps and term limits. instead of emulating other countries would go ahead and do something different and be a leader for positivity for once. [applause] chase: the great thing that libertarians want to do is end the drug war and there is a country in europe, portugal, he had -- they had the highest drug use because of hiv and hepatitis and what they decided to do instead of cracking down, they

decriminalize all drugs and destigmatize people using drugs so that if you want to get help there is access and avenues to get help for addiction. also, it destigmatize its use so that if you had an quality product, unit two to a pharmacist and they would test it for fentanyl. now thet that i want people to use heroin, but i want to prevent deaths from fentanyl being mixed into heroin. having government sponsored addition program allow mutual aid so that they can better care for our communities, and that his plan government programs. that is get back to the idea of national unity. a lot of americans are sick and tired o they see this two party system we have been going through and they want something better. when they see alternatives on stages like this they may want to vote and when voters shamed them by calling those people's boilers, my message to you is we are not the spoilers, the spoilers are two parties

that do not give us any other way to make our elections more representative of the populations that they serve. they're happy to have your election is boiledspoilers so you cannot challenge i want to o tear down the duopoly for all and the libertaria every ballot, and we will be the move for change if you allow us to be. tear down the two party system, that is how we bring people together, when we stop dividing with a false binary that is republican and democratic parties. [alause] >> wonderful. thank you. claudia: there are two things in the question, national unity and examples abroad, we do not need to go abroad to think about socialism. the wealthy have socialism, they do not have to fight for health care housing struggle against

the military industrial complex, they do not have to do any of that, they have access to civil rights and access to human rights. the majority of people do not have that. i 9% of the population does not have everything that they need 99 percent of the country does not have every thing they need to survive. when we think about socialism reorganizing that is what we are proposing and it is something that could be done in this country if we are able to take back the money that has been kidnapped by the billionaires and that millionaires of this country. we do not need to go too far. every experiment that has ever existed has been invaded and is sanctioned and has been fought against, there is a reason for that because it provides a path for the majority of people in the world. people in the world who are at the mercy of -- millions of people in the world who are at the mercy of five individuals who own more wealth than the majority of people in this world.

we are talking about socialism that is what we back what is ours, the many who produce the wealth should control the wealth. when we talk about national unity we all agree that we the basic human right to education, the basic human right to housing, to health care, that we should not have to be able to access those human necessities. therefore, let us find our common ground in the fight of defending what our human and civil rights are. if you are a part of the 1% that has all of those rights, you should grow a bit of a soul and understand that there is money you have made on the backs of working-class people who are coming back for what is theirs. [applause] >> common ground, that is where it is at. lars: i believe america started out with the right idea. the idea of limitedover the years,

we have exploded our bureaucracy and we have grown more and more and one of the things i say is that the more government that we have no more mediocrity is born and the more government we have more mediocre we become. government seems to grow and grow, have you ever heard about layoffs coming to washington? that is what i would like to bring to washington. i would like to see a 10% or more cut in washington and get our expenses under control. look unity in america right now, we have the media pitting neighbor against neighbor, we have government coercion. we have what is essentially one group of people taking the moral high ground and telling another group of people how to behave and flips and flops depending on whether the democrats or the republicans are in control. everybody feels they are being oppressed by government but they are being coerced by government we need to get government out of people's lives and let people live their lives as they best

see fit and you know how to live your life better than anyone in the government. why do we keep handing the government the ability to tell us how to live our lives? it is micromanaging what straws we can use and what forks we can use and what kind of paint we can put on our house. we have got to get government out of the way to let people live their lives and this will bring unity. we see it, we see in the rights and we saw in the january 6th stuff. people are feeling disillusioned because the system is rigged against them. i have 37 policies to stop this division in america and bring people back together again and part of that is our economic disparity. we need to lift people up so they are so desperate, desperate people do desperate things. we have to lift them up. thank you. [applause] >> everybody answered the question and we can have a rebuttal. jill: i think the idea of

lifting people up is very important and unfortunately it does not happen by itself. it has not happen by simply allowing corrussia. our concentrates itself and we have seen this over and over again through history. the question is not to my mind obtrusive government or utopia, it is how do we exist as a society? if you are in a household you have rules. you have procedures for things. magnified, we need to have government that is not corrupted by the power of corporations. ican people agree on among many things is getting big money out of politics so that we can begin to have policies which are rational, which work, and which people probably support. there is roughly 90% or more of th support

campaign finance reform, public funding of elections, so that we can get money out of politics andbeen studied and nausea him and we know that our public policy is driven by corporate money and a left to its ow will continue to do that, left to its own devices it is driving us over the cliff. one area that is happening is health care. we know in terms of programs that are working around the world, the united states is the only country that does not provide health care as a human right through a medicare for all type of system which we desperately need. we have been the audience here tonight someone who lost his son to insurance company behavior and lost his son basically because his drug policy and pharmaceuticals were canceled because of a $20 fee that was late. he lost his mental health drugs up with tragedy. this has been repeated over and over again, we need a for all right now.

-- we need medicare for all right now. jasmine: this is not a rebuttal, it is expansion, i'm sick that politicians who are on militated get out here and vilify marginalized voices, there was no bl rights, that is not how that happened. we have so many politicians that think and they pretend i care about marginalized communities and then you poop on them in the next breath. you have to stop voting for people who demonstrate that they do not give a damn about you. done. >> thank you. anymore? >> we move on to rapidfire questions here. i and we answer yes, no, left, right for this question. you support hardening any of theseleonard l thiers? are there any side the ones we listed you would want to pardon? >> i agree with that.

born all of those people. -- pardon. all of those people. among those who are incarcerated for political reasons, the man who identified that drones kill the wrong person 10 times more often than they kill the actual target, he is running in a high security prison? nathaniel hill? jasmine: i am abolishing prison, giving them health arrest so they can -- house arrest so they can thrive in this country. lars: his part and in all four of those and anybody who is a truth teller, a whistleblower, and your prison for any crime which there are no victims -- release individual prisoners for any crime which there are no victims. that is whysu so much problems in this country. [applause] >> we are going to a two minute closing statement beginning with

lars:. . lars: we have heard from all of the presidential candidates and they have said that the system is rigged and i like i said, i have 37 pieces of policy online website to un-rig the system, we did not get to our elections which i think is one of the main things that all of the people on this date have to deal with. a ballot access laws, during menuing -- gerrymandering, the government rings our elections and i have the voter's bill of rights which is my signature piece of policy, is nonpartisan, it can get restore the integrity in our american system because if our people do not trust our elections, we have an nonfunctioning republic. our public is cracking and it is not functional. some of the pieces of this policy is valid access for all

regardless of party or affiliation -- ballot access for all regardless of party or affiliation. anybody should have equal access to the ballot and we see this with rfk being taken off of the ballots, the duopoly rigged system against everybody. wensparency , auditing the vote of americans. the ability to audit the machine code of all of the machines so that we all know what is going on. even if we have free and fair elections who would know? it allows the restoration of voting rights for criminals who have served their time. it is allowing for a paper receipt to be printed at the end of your voting so that you can match up with a government that your vote has been counted properly and we can restore integrity to your system. please, if nothing else to take from tonight, go look at my bill of rights, get it to your congressman and assemblyman andy your everybody who is power

because we nee to fix our election systems. no one will be able to change anything unless we can get elected to office and right now this is so big none of us can make it. [applause] -- rigged so none of us can make it. claudia: i want to talk about the redemption of the people in this country, the political ruling class has done in the last five months. i want to take these minutes to talk have, we have, the u.s. government and people who have been silenced for the years have been complicit in the killing of over 30,000 people. jasmine: most of which have been children and women. --claudia: we need to stop fronting genocide not only in every corner of the world.

everywhere else the united states has its finger and hands. is extermination campaign and ethnic cleansing of the palestinian people that has been happening for the last 75 years and we salute the sacrifice of aaron bushnell, we continue the call and the work for the libeon palestine, for palestinian people's rights to return and rebuild. that is the type of system we need to build in the system in order to do so we need to uproot the capitalist system. end ths. empire, we shall build a socialist society that is on the face of collaboration of solidarity and the respect and sotries and people. [applause] whew! >> powerful. jill: we are at a historic tipping point right now. we are looking at the last days

of t the prizes that go with it, crushing inequality, three billionaires in this country have the wealth and power of the lower 50% of the population, half of the population, 50% has exactly 2% resources. this is the world we get if we allow corporations to rule the current system of government that we have which isly bought and paid for by powerful corporations of billionaires, bankers,.we have crushing inequality, endless war, the united states is not only conducting many bombing campaigns, we are actu countries conducting anti-terror so-called anti-terror operations as a continuation of basicallywe are approaching potential nuclear conflicts not only in the middle east but also in ukraine and potentially in china. more than one nuclear submarine alone hold the equivalent of

4000 hiroshima bombs. that is into substantial nuclear winters that could eliminate half of the population of the entire country. are entirely clueless about this and they are extremely reckless terminally, -- criminally reckless and we have a climate crisis floating under our noses. we put other options on the table, we be allowed to debate educate people so that everyone knows we are all in the target hairs of this incredibly reckless and predatory system where the you call it in the state capitalism, yo it does not matter, we are all very much the target and we cannot afford to look the other way. we need change now, our campaign will be the one pro-worker, antiwar, anti-genocide and climate erosion campaign on the ballot across thecheck us out. [applause] jasmine: i did not step on this stage and that the duopoly has taken us so

far back to the only remaining solution is to do a national reset. but is reset. we have admitted that we can deny the truth in front of us, our tax dollars are funding wars and foreign lands and supporting we need to end the obligation of lance the do not belong to us. of lands i do not belong to us. we need to make sure that americans can meet their basic needs to be born not acknowledging that your rent is due tomorrow, most people cannot afford to put food on the table. homeownership is nonexistent for young people, homelessness is rising and although we pretend it is not a thing, the fact that the population of the elderly are losing their homes because of scams that predatory lenders use. you have not been living your best life, i know it and the people on the stage know anybody wh it. you notice they are not trying to change it. i am not a politician, i am

running for the highest office of thecognize that. i also recognize that i am standing every day beside you. i am acknowledging that is lgbtqi a rights, it is disability rights, it is reparations, land back, pre-palestine, congo, it is time for us to showcase that we are going to do something rather than just talking. you need to vote if you want to change, you need to vote because unlike them i know it that a third-party candidate, show up show out, and vote! i am done. [applause] >> the ansr? that is beautiful, chase? chase: thank you for the opportunity to speak on stage tonight, this would never be afforded to us of the democrats and republicans would have control this process. i want to reject the duopoly and i believe the best way to do that is freedom and trust.

freedom for each and every individual to live their lives so long they are living that life in peace, that is because we all trust each othdetermine for ourselves the best way to go about our lives. that is a message i will resonate with millions of american voters who are sick and tired of being controlled by an overly intrusive abusive federal government. i do not believe the solution to the pass will fix itself, clinical philo that failed in the 20th century will not solve homelessness and help people in this country what will is returning people's power back and central planners can make that decision for you. i would return that in's power across this country. we can form our own mutual aid organizations, that can help our fellow man. i belie th are a lot of people who want to help each other. they know that the weight of the government is set up in the way the government distributes that help is not working for people. ask your dollar and they will give you a dime, that is what

the government can give you. we should decentralize everything about our lives remove the war machine, stop fighting wars overseas and killing innocent people with our taxpayer dollars. stop abusing people in the criminal justice system and on our border who want to come here and work, get real opportunities by removing the power out of the each and every individual. i sincerely believe that we can have a better america if we trust each other and love each other a bit mo do less for the people who have a badge and a gun and do harm in our name. check out our platform and i'm so grateful for my team, we have tellers in all 50 states we are the best vehicle to challenge the duopoly in 2024. thank you very much. [applause] >> that is a real debate, this much to everyone who participated tonight. the poll to determine the winner is now live at and equal to or, he has 72 hours to vote,

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