♪ host: good morning, and welcome to "washington journal." with the threat of impeachment hanging over his head, donald trump on saturday spoke to some of his most loyal supporters, republican evangelical report -- supporters. many expect them to be his strongest reelection supporters. but some crack are appearing in their relationship with --sident trump, with some crack's are appearing in the relationship with president trump, with some questioning the president's moves in ukraine. ourre going to open up

lines to you. if you are a republican, your number is (202) 748-8001. if you are a democrat, we want to hear from you at (202) 748-8000. independents, your number is (202) 748-8002. and we are opening a special line this morning for evangelical voters. if you identify as an evangelical voter, we want to hear from you at (202) 748-0003. keep in mind, you can always .ext us at (202) 748-0003 and we are always reading on social media, twitter @cspanwj and on facebook, facebook.com/cspan. again, president trump spoke to the value voters forum last night and here is what he had to say. [video clip] towe believe in the right free speech. we believe in the right to life.

thank you. andnow that families churches, not government officials, know best how to create strong and loving communities. it has been that way in our country. this.all else, we know in america, we don't worship a government, we worship god. thank you.

you were there from the first minute of my presidency. i have taken historic action to defend religious liberty. well.nows that very sure what ireally would say at the beginning. he was saying -- what do you bury? i don't know him well. but i think you are very happy now, tony, right? proud of, im very stopped the johnson amendment from interfering with the right of a pastor to speak their mind. you can do whatever you want. you are the people we want to hear from. we want to hear from you. we are protecting a conscience, , those and think of this

rights of doctors and nurses, teachers and groups like the little sisters of the poor. they are incredible people. we are preserving this country's tradition of faith-based adoption. here is how "the new york times" summarized the appearance last night. "president trump took his post up each meant message of grievance directly to the political right, telling them the democrats were trying to undo the results of the 2016 campaign --

host:, we are opening our telephone lines to you. should evangelicals continue to back president trump? let's go to the lines and talk to david, from texas. he identifies as evangelical. david, good morning. caller: what's up? how y'all this morning? host: we are doing fine. should even java goals continue to back president trump? caller: all the way. i have already got my ticket and i will be at the rally on thursday, airline center. hearing a lot of talk about syria and how some even jellico leaders think the president's move on syria to put christians in the country in danger. does that affect your support of

the president in any way no, let mark caller: them take care of their part of the world and we will take care of ours. so, david, you say you plan to go to the rally in texas. what do you expect to hear from the president? caller: the same thing i have been hearing. i love him. i absolutely love my president. host: tell us a bit about why you plan to continue to support the president. caller: because he is real. he talks real. he will call you and sop if you arean smb -- an sob if you just love him. he's my favorite president since ronald reagan. host: let's go to bob,

minneapolis. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. i don't think that the evangelicals should continue to support trump. that --est reason being towershere are two trump in turkey. he is putting his business interest ahead of the kurds who stood by us to fight isis. and we just now betrayed their trust by pulling out. what they get for standing by us -- well, they are going to get killed. is as immoral as you can get. , if youre a christian put your head in the sand and

pretend that this isn't happening? i don't think that there will be a place for you at the table. the other thing is letting other countries interfere in our elections. they -- they were pressuring, the trump people were pressuring the government over there to biden.rt on not just find it, but manufacture it. when you start running elections like that? we don't have a democracy anymore. on the patriotic end, i would issueat that would be the

. on the christian end, it's totally immoral to do what they did to the kurds. that would be my comment. thank you. do, --et's talk to 20 juanita, calling from kentucky. first of all, i would like to say that i appreciate this platform. noti do believe it is balanced. host: all right, go ahead with your comment. caller: in this country we are for liberty, we are for peace, and we love the lord. god almighty. people in this country still have a right to choose. that's what i'm going with. so, who are you choosing?

i think we lost her. , calling fromeve robert saville, missouri. steve identifies as evangelical. steve, good morning. caller: good morning, thank you very much for taking my call. i'm independent, ex marine. i think that our biggest problem is that we don't have a third-party. you know, last week we had biden going to a gay rally and trump, it looked like a nazi party rally. the whole republican party is a fraud. trump is a fraud. he has deserted the kurds. being a marine, we don't leave our guys in the field. don't never do that. them people are going to get allghtered before it is over with. it's all about money. how come he takes troops out of

syria and puts them in saudi arabia, if it is such a big deal having troops over there? it's all a lie. all of these evangelicals who think he is god's chosen one? bringingk you will be in jesus christ? he may be bringing in the antichrist. said you identified as evangelical yourself. who are you supporting for 2020? don't support either one of them. the closest one i can think of is elizabeth warren. she's a little bit too far to the left. the problem is, we don't have an independent party to pull for. we don't have nobody in the middle, like i said. biden is going to a gay rally and trump is going to a nazi party rally. trump is a fraud. the worst of the worst. he is bringing down our democracy. .e's working for putin

it's obvious. it's right in front of everybody's eyes. everything he does is for prudent. you are going to get what you asked for and it's going to be on the wrong end of the stick. let's go to joe, new rochelle, new york, independent line. joe, good morning. joe, are you there? up. if you are there, speak all right, let's go to cornell, works, from waterford new jersey, democratic line. cornell, good morning. caller: good morning, jesse. as far as me, my opinion for the tongelicals, i have no right -- god gave us all a free will. , whohose who support trump

went to a lynching straight from church, trump says he was pro-life? he was pro-choice until a couple of years ago. pro-life, what about the quality of life? if you were truly pro-life, children inve cages? the damage we are doing when we , thehildren in cages ramification of their development, we will pay a price for it later on. as far as the even jellico's, it's all about money. the christian community on the upper level is about profits. it's not about feeding the poor or the hungry. this is the first time in , speaking about african-american unemployment over the decades, but they won't

say that african-american lowestership is at the in over 50 years. side, they the other give tax breaks to llc's. if you have a lot of homes that is how my new chin get -- steven board. got on the when everything fell apart, he bought up all the homes that people lost. in that tax bill they give tax breaks to the llc's and they took away the opportunities for first-time homebuyers to even get fha loans. they have increased the rates and made it harder for first-time homebuyers to buy homes. go to everett, calling from grand junction, colorado. everett, good morning. caller: good morning, jesse, how

are you? host: i'm good, go ahead. caller: well where do you begin this morning, anyway? [laughter] caller: good morning to everybody. i was basically raised catholic, but i would say that i'm either agnostic or atheist now. and that's ok. our constitution gives us the right to believe in what we want to and we are lucky in this country. something else i would like to say though to everybody out there. when you make accusations to people, be sure that you know what you are talking about. i will give you an example. a few days ago i was listening to the same program and there was a gentleman that called in and said that the president was a draft dodger. military guys out there, ones who fell under the draft, they talking about. you can look at the selective service and go by the date of birth that you are.

president is june 14, 1946. his draft number was 356. the only called up 195 in 1970. the next year that the draft was still going on when vietnam was going on was 1971. the draft number was 363. they only called 100.5 out of 72. his draft number was 113. they only called up to 95 people and there was no draft in 1973. that is the kind of research that people need to do. also, under our constitution, and please listen to this, everybody. are afforded equal protection under the law. the president down to the poorest person in this country, you fall under the constitution. i, i don't know what else to say to people. it's frustrating to me.

i normally call in about taxes and stuff and they are really frustrating, but i will leave it there. to bill, calling from branson, missouri. as evangelical. caller: good morning. i watch you all the time. i get so much information from you. i would never turn on the news. i wanted to say that i love is theearly and that he reason i am who i am, the wisdom and everything. but i wanted to say, lord help me not to get all rattled, i, i know that america will not work without judeo-christian values. because then we have no wisdom. i have family members who are democrats. dear family members and i always

ask -- lord, why are the democrats, there is a big void, you are not going to change it. whenrd in the bible that jesus -- at the beginning, when they cast the people out of heaven, they double down from heaven, one third of the demons -- when the devil came down from heaven, one third of the demons came with him. the demons are in the democratic party. that is who is running it. not all the people. some people are just fooled by the devil. i know my dear family members and i know they are good people, but we have got to get to the lord. that is the only hope. flawedrican system is because we give the vote to democrats and republicans.

that is who has the power to change the world. unless they are informed -- in the don't have jesus on their side, without jesus they have no wisdom. i'm not being mean, i love everybody. host: let me ask you, you said that the american system is flawed because democrats and republicans both have the vote -- no, it's flawed because the founders, they said that this will only work without judeo-christian values, that is what you get your wisdom from. the democrats, they don't have that. they are voting against jesus and against god. so they don't have the wisdom to do the right thing. so that is what i'm saying. you have got to have jesus in your heart, judeo-christian, and you -- or you won't have no wisdom in your heart to vote the right way. for god. -- right now it's the republicans.

it could be a democrat, too, but for some reason democrats, they think it's ok to kill babies. by the way, i just watched trump on your station and they was talking about -- he told why he's getting out with the kurds and it's not what you're thinking. also told that obama wouldn't let any christians come into the united states. so, there you go. i'm not against obama, neither. i love all of them. but i'm telling you, it's not the persons fault. without judeo-christian values, you don't have the wisdom to know how to govern and vote right. that's all i'm thinking. i came to that conclusion. earlier on the show, earlier we had pastor robert jeffrey, a member of president trump's evangelical advisory committee. he was on fox business earlier

this week. here is what he had to say. caller: the evangelicals --[video clip] >> the evangelicals, the president says he is more energized than ever by the evangelicals who are supporting him. your thoughts, your perspective? was in tennessee speaking to 5000 evangelicals who had come in from around the nation. these evangelicals love god, but they also love lou dobbs and they love president trump and they are seething with anger over what they perceive as an attempt to steal this presidency not just from donald trump, but from the american people that voted for him. they are going to stand with him. i predict that this will fail and he will be reelected by the largest margin of evangelicals in history. look at some of our followers on social media to see what they have to say. here is it tweet from troy

church who says everyone should back the president and wish him because he is our president and we all want good things to happen for our country. that is the way it used to be at one time, it is called patriotism. here's another comment -- host: once again, the question this morning, should evangelicals continue to back president trump? once again, republicans, your number is (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 evangelicals, we want to hear from you at (202) 748-0003.

now, there are some religious leaders who are questioning some of the actions of the white house when it comes to syria. in fact, here is a tweet from reverend franklin graham, who tweeted earlier this week that the kurds are the ones who have been leading the fight against isis in syria. "pray for the christians who the kurds have been protecting." host: and here is a story from "business insider," which is -- -- says --

host: let's go back to our phone lines, talking to cheryl from san antonio, texas, good morning. good morning. my name is cheryl, calling from texas. thank you for this format,

number one. number two, the first comment i would like to make is about christians, republicans, and democrats. where would christians vote? would they vote for democrats who are always demonizing christianity? i mean let's just really get real here. we have people talking about -- democrats talking about eating babies. anytime you are in a ,onversation with a democrat they never want you to speak about the bible. it's almost as if they are atheists. i used to vote democrat until i realized they were eroding at my christian values. democrats have done to african-americans, of whom i am one. over the last 50 years, african-americans stop listening to mainstream media and just looked at their condition, they would realize that they are far

more worse off than they were 50 years ago. if you look at mass incarceration, if you look at homeownership, all of those things. family eroding the black due to democrat policies, as , they had ablican hand in that too. we won't just put that off. it took the congress and the presidency. under bill clinton you had more humans incarcerated, 64% were black men. in thisn anywhere else country, in the world. yet they voted for hillary. i shake my head in shame. i don't understand it. i'm so disappointed in mainstream media. abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc.

there are democrats who are journalists. look at impeachment. they never report the full story. the only time we get a full story is when we are looking at your particular format and when we are looking at -- when we go on social media. they want the president to stop tweeting because they cannot lie on him like they did different elements in the 80's and 90's because we didn't have the internet. so, when you hear someone -- he needs to stop tweeting? that's the only way he can get his story out. i'm so disappointed in democrats. voted fored i ever one. i'm so glad my family has stopped looking at -- i used to love rachel maddow. now i look at the manipulations.

we are always victims. black people are. we are not victims. we are some strong, strong people. let's go to kyle, calling from new york. caller: good morning, jesse. amazing show, i'm so grateful to be on this format with you. i'm from massapequa, long island, republican. i may be a little extreme with how i say things, but it's to get peoples attention. i really, you know, my favorite president was lincoln until this point and the reason i draw a comparison and not to offend anyone is that this country is in such a great civil divide, you know? what's going on, it's a sign of the times. when someone strikes accord, people start to take sides, you know? i believe that this is an evangelical conversation because i truly believe that we are blessed with this president

because we have someone who has not only the awareness of the problems going on in this country, but he is actually taking action, you know? the can has been getting kicked down the road long enough with the issues he's addressing. a republican, voting straight republican ticket, i didn't take to the streets, have people put out of their restaurants, cause chaos and, you know, picketing and all kinds of -- which everyone is absolutely entitled to do. for abama was elected second term, you know, i sat back, this is the choice of the country and i let it run its course. i think we should truly be grateful that we have an intelligent person who weighs the pros and cons and the values of what's going on in this country and is putting us first and he's smart. you know? they just don't like it. they are trying to tie his hands with congress, but he is finding ways around it to get things done.

to go down int history as a bad president. he is going to leave the country in a better place when the book is closed. be grateful that this man loves this country and does not like to be a loser. he is not going to let anything get in his way. we should be grateful because he loves the country as equally as what he loves about being a winner. this is an incredible man. who has got the energy. take five presidents we have had, role their energy together and tell me who holds a candle to this guy. i mean he's just not going to quit. host: let's talk to mike, calling from dundalk, maryland. mike, good morning. caller: hey, how you doing? that one call you had said everything i wanted to say about evangelical christians. i don't know.

i think a lot of the so-called evangelical christians probably need to check themselves, you know? they need to ask themselves, am i really saved by god or not? i mean, how could you believe in a god that says there are good and bad people on both sides? thathe's a friend of a guy shot down innocent airplanes. talking about the russian president. i don't want to judge nobody, but i just don't understand, you know? host: let's go to chuck, calling from charleston, west virginia, democratic line. asler: i will try to keep it brief as possible. most of the christians i know in my life value qualities like empathy and humility. adulation forous

donald trump really mystifies me. playing allgh he's these christians for suckers. it's almost as though they have been hypnotized by the guy. donald trump will invite evangelical leaders to the white house and they will surround him, they will lay hands on him and they will prey on him and he will just close his eyes and bowed his head obediently for ow his head ofis hea b beginning for the cameras because it plays well to the base. but anyone who believes trump is anything remotely like a god-fearing man has got to be a very, very poor judge of character. and that's all i really have to say. warner, of the ethics and public policy center was on the program this summer and had this to say about

evangelical support for president trump. [video clip] self-proclaimed evangelicals are conservative in their ideology and politics. donald trump represents the republican party, which has traditionally been the more conservative party. so, donald trump is advocating policies, particularly in areas that evangelicals care about, cultural issues in the courts, abortion and others that they agree with. so it would make sense that they would support him in large numbers. they voted for him in huge numbers. more evangelicals voted for trump than for george w. bush. that's understandable. let me tell you my criticisms of evangelicals. i'm someone who has been a part of the evangelical world for most of my christian journey, though i no longer consider myself an evangelical. my criticism of them is not that they support his policies or

even that they voted for him over hillary clinton. i/o is understood that. i didn't vote for either but that was a valid argument. where i criticize a lot of evangelicals, particularly white evangelical leadership and politics, people like jerry falwell junior and robert that, is people like that they won't hold donald trump to account. they won't on the one hand say, look, we appreciate his pro-life policies and think they're good, but the fact that this man is engaged in a full-scale all-out assault on truth, is a pathological liar and engages in the dehumanization of his opponents, cruelty and crudity -- for goodness sakes, the man is an unindicted co-conspirator on hush money payments to a poor and star, literally was having an affair on his third wife after their son was born.

if that had happened to a liberal democrat? bill clinton or barack obama? and you imagine what the evangelicals would say about it? when it is donald trump, they go silent. or they even defend him. that to me is the indictment of not all evangelicals, i have friends who are evangelicals, people who are conflicted on donald trump who are generally troubled by him, but there are far too many in my mind to our enthusiastic supporters. they view this as an existential struggle, and apocalyptic fight. the danger of that is that you will make deals with the devil and satan if you think that is the gist of the struggle. so, what do white evangelicals think when it comes to the impeachment process? ox news did a poll earlier this week of white evangelicals.

four of white evangelicals say to impeach and remove. the fact that the actual number was 28% of white evangelicals saying impeach and remove president donald trump. 3% said to impeach and not remove. 64% said no impeachment. either way, those numbers correspond with all voters. among all voters, 51% say impeach and remove. 4% say not to. 40% said no impeachment. the phone lines and talk to john, calling from ipswich, illinois, on the democratic line. john, good morning. caller: one republican said that trump would never let anything

stand in his way. the fellow from colorado was talking about draft numbers. trump dodged the draft in 65 and 69. then he got the gumball number for the fellow in colorado. another fellow said something about all the people on the southern border. mostly those are christians. everybody will admit. my point, for all of you republicans that call in, mention your complete name and then mention that you would let your sister, your daughter, or your mother or grandmother go out with a man like that. for all of you republican women out there that call, mention that that's the type of man that she would like to go out with or that you would let your daughter or mother go out with. for the republican men, even admit that you might let your ex-wife go out with a man like that. i agree with all the comments

that peter just mentioned to the listening audience. so you republicans out there, mention your complete name so that we recognize you instead of trying to think that that is you. this way you we know that you would let your daughter, your wife or your mother go out with a man with that type of character. thank you. larry, callingto on the independent line. larry, good morning. caller: are you there? a high, wisconsin. i was originally from massachusetts. i am an independent voter. i am a gay man who has been with the same partner for almost 40 years and i wholeheartedly support president trump. i'm really tired of him taking a rap for being a racist, being a gay hater. there are a lot of gay people out here that love this guy.

gay hater,k he's a take a good look at the ambassador to germany and his husband, which president trump appointed to represent the united states in that country. the wholeng tired of racial thing. tired of the whole religious thing. this is the united states of america. if we don't come together to do what's in the best interests of this country, we are just going to fall apart. aty should start looking universities and public schools. all of the rhetoric coming out of these teachers is just to hate. hate christianity, the united states of america. people embarrassed of the flag. this is totally disgusting. people have got to catch themselves. if they don't think that they have it good here, let them go to venezuela or england or france. or russia. the 1.5 million muslims that the chinese have

tonded up and put into camps reevaluate their way of thinking so that they think like chinese communists rather than religious. people need to start thinking about these things. host: let's go to gary, calling --m pacific,'s missouri pacific, missouri. gary, good morning. go ahead. caller: i'm watching the program and it seems like the little things are not even being addressed. things that don't account for much. issue,ake it back to the what should we be discussing? should evangelicals continue to back president trump? killer.he's not a baby the left has seemed to think that that's what they need to do

. it is totally against the will of god. if we go against the will of god, we are in trouble. i don't care who is president. the things that i'm saying is that evil don't even really know what's going on. and we hear the media producing things that simply aren't true. that's our issues. we are being directed by the media. if you step into it a little farther and you look and see what's really going on, you will see a difference. that's what the problem is. people are talking and not doing. we don't have enough movement. gary, you say that people are being misled by the media. where'd you get your news question mark how do you find out about the news that you think people should see? actions.

i see hillary clinton promoting baby killers. christian, you cannot be a moral person if you baby. someone to kill a you can't be. it's written. is the start of all knowledge. are we blind? can we not see it? it's black and white. this racial thing, i don't, i don't see color. i see the person for who the person is. i don't care if he's black, blue, green, yellow, or orange. if he comes against me and against god, i have a problem with it. if he is in the right order, i don't have no problems with him at all. is he for other people? he's not selfish? he promotes a good life for good people in general?

to me its basics. it's the simple basics of life. ken, fromk to san diego, california, on the independent line. there, how you doing sir? i might buy the border, number one. number two, i'm a combat that that served this country and i'm glad we have had this discourse. the military we defend the constitution. about evangelicals supporting the president? that's their choice, ok? we in this country have choices. everyone has aat political opinions about things and they disagree or agree. this separation of church and state? when was the last time that we swore allegiance to a bible, koran, or torah? we swear allegiance to the

constitution of the united states, to defend the constitution. what president trump does and says, so be it, he won the election. but when it comes down to how he attacks another human being? that is where it hurts. because again, talking about christianity. any religion says we are supposed to treat our fellow man as we treat ourselves and that has not happened and it starts at the top. look at how -- since this man has been elected. how many times have people gone into churches and synagogues and murdered people. gone to mosques and murdered people. what is he say? good people on both sides. how can you have good people on both sides, like in virginia where an innocent woman was mowed down? how can you say that there are good people when dylan roof went into that church and murdered worshipers. i didn't fight in this country

and almost die in two wars to come home to see this. it starts at the top. when president obama was in office, home the times did you see him going to church and he said he was a christian question mark what did this person say question mark first that he wasn't born in the country. then says that his father is a country and whatever else. and then what did he say? they are blank hole countries. someone who attacks another human being, a fellow brother human being and still they support him? "politico" is coming out with a report on one of the nations most popular conservatives, ralph reed, and his new book that will come out before the 2020 general election. here is what "politico" had to .ay about ralph reed posit book

host: let's actually go to some of our tweets that are coming in about this topic this morning. here is one of our texts, it comes from amy in richmond, virginia. she writes --

host: once again, the question is, should evangelicals continue to back president trump? republicans, your number is (202) 748-8001. democrats, your number is (202) 748-8000. independents, your number is (202) 748-8002. evangelicals, there is a special line for you this morning, (202) 748-0003. let's see if we can get some more calls and before the our

end's. michael, ohio, independent line. michael, good morning. good morning. host: go ahead, michael. caller: good morning. , i justant to say that want to say that i listened to everybody who has talked and it's just hard to believe, to hear what i'm hearing. good morning. caller: michael, go ahead, we can hear you. host: yes, go ahead, please. caller: yes, jesus, god -- host: michael, we can hear you, go ahead. caller: god, god, god put donald trump as president. i think michael is having a few issues on the phone. let's go to alan from thousand palms, california, republican line. allen, good morning.

to point would like out a few things about syria that is not really getting on the news. that's one of the things that will take some evangelicals away from trump. going back to 2015, the russians fought with the kurds. it was after the rebels shot down the airliner and took 224 russians and putin went in with boots on the ground and he fought with the kurds and then he pulled out. so, we were not the first ones .o join in or up with the kurds in turkey right now, they have got all of those refugees that paying to keepas the refugees there. that started after brexit past. erdogan is putting them on the border as a human shield. i heard jean-claude juncker

complaining about that. turkey has always had his hatred for the kurds. they weree a since born, probably. but that is because of the pkk inside of turkey. -- that ones they are are in syria, are the ones they are fighting with. you would have to set up a permanent base inside of syria, just like in south korea, have a permanent base there. when are you going to pull out? so, that was my point i wanted to make. host: let's go to jim, who is silo, ohio, on the republican line. jim, good morning. caller: good morning. i will state my whole name, since the one guy wanted to know everybody's last name. my name is jim wagers. the only thing i've got to say is, i didn't vote for obama.

but i voted for trump. but they are both my presidents. either one after i got into office -- they got into office. i'm a patriot and i believe that everybody should be able to vote for whoever they want. .t doesn't make any difference democrat or republican. once they are in office, they are our president. that is how we stayed united for all these years. all of these other countries have revolutions, civil wars. it goes on and on. president obama was my president. president trump is my president. and now all the rest of them that was elected by the people should be our president. and in the future they should be our president. jim, do you think evangelicals should continue to back president trump? do, whates, sir, i

president trump on before he was in office was his personal business. what he does after he's in office, i cannot hear you, sir. host: we can hear you, go ahead, jim. they doneyhow, what before they was in office, his taxes, whatever, it's not what counts. it's what they do after they are in office. let's go to virginia sue, calling from bethany, oklahoma, on the democratic line. virginia sue, good morning. quite awell, it's morning, isn't it? i love hearing from everyone. you are doing a masterful job of ing there. i have been thinking about the pledge of allegiance to the flag

, and that might be over simple find it, but i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. to the republic for which it god,s, one nation under indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. now, that sounds, again, over simple if i'd. but i have had to come back to the simplicity of that to think about -- ok, all the evangelical people are calling the democrats and making judgments. how dare people decide who my god is and who i should worship pledge ofe that allegiance to the flag that sounds so simplified? all the information we have been getting from all of the different veterans, i so appreciate. but there is this thing, i have

been watching donald trump for many, many years, it had nothing to do with him running for president. he has a frontal lobe problem, in my opinion. after watching people for many years. there are people with the -- i just resent people saying that democrats aren't christians and that we don't care about people. quite the opposite. i, again, with the electoral college, that was one of the things. he got elected with the electoral college. whether i liked hillary or didn't like hillary is besides the point. but there are people who are following him like sheep. steve bannon stirred up a lot of things years ago. all of that is where a horror a lot of the warmongering is going on. ok, i tried to say too much, too

fast. thank you for this very much for this opportunity to voice my opinion. televangelist pat robertson had a warning for president trump last week about the turkish invasion of syria. here is what pat robertson had to say. [video clip] chargeey is ready to into syria, putting our allies the kurds in great danger. but we have learned is that they could tip the balance of power in this volatile region. plus it is a threat to the u.s.. ladies and gentlemen, i want to say it right now. thatabsolutely appalled the united states is going to betray those democratic forces theorthern syria to allow turkish to come in against the kurds. ogan is a thug who has taken control of his country as a

dictator. he is a strong leader. they say that he is an ally of america? that's nonsense. he's in for himself. the president that allowed khashoggi to be cut into pieces without any repercussions whatsoever is now allowing the christians and the kurds to be massacred by the turks. i believe, and i want to say , thewith great solemnity president of the united states is in danger of losing the mandate of heaven if he permits this to happen. let's go to brian, who is calling from casco, michigan. i think that mr. roberts went over-the-top a bit of that there. but as far as the president, i don't think that when he went into office he had many religious beliefs. but i do believe he has done a lot of soul-searching in that

area. he has had to because he has taken the religious stance and he cannot say lord is christ without the strength of the holy spirit. but on the other hand, i have no respect for the lutherans, the catholics, none of them. preyber the muslim pay for under obama? church took $49 million of social security money to relocate his mother -- muslims. the catholic church took millions of dollars. if they really believed in the cause, why didn't they use their own money? why are they using social therity money to relocate muslims? everybody is a hypocrite. he has that a lot of soul-searching and come closer to the board -- the lord. obama went to cairo and said the u.s. is no longer a christian

nation. remember? welcome muslim brotherhood question mark he paid for the muslims to come here. please, before you want to trump, who isld at least trying, personally, trying to find himself, at least .is heart is in the right spot everybody is corrupt. churches are corrupt, everybody is corrupt. unless the churches want to give me back my social security money, they had better shut up. coming up, we are going to get two differ perspectives on efforts to impeach donald trump. first will be stephanie hamill and later we will be joined by mieke eoyang, the national security program vice president of the group third way. newsmakers week's interviewed the chair of the democratic national committee, tom perez, and he talked about defende dnc should do to

joe biden against republican attack ads suggesting wrongdoing in ukraine. you can see the entire interview with tom perez today at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. on c-span. you can also hear it on c-span radio or watch it online at c-span.org. >> the trump campaign has been hitting biden with millions of dollarsdollars in attack ads. this has been going on for days. your committee has not done much to provide joe biden with cover, has not done much to defend him. i am wondering why you have made that decision. >> let me correct your premise. every allegation take about vice president and connection to ukraine has been unequivocally debunked. iss is about a president who attempting to distract attention from his own impeachable

fitonduct by deflecting to -- attention onto the biting campaign and the vice president. what has taken place is wrong is is wethe dnc has done have called for facebook, for other networks not to air ads that have full information. i do not think it is the place of the dnc to take out ads, but i think it is the place of the media to be taking down and refusing to air ads that include information that is false. >> facebook has said they are not going to take down those ads. are you worried that even if you and the biting campaign claim dide are false -- why campaign claim these are -- biden campaign claim these are false that the narrative will damage the campaign next year? >> people are smarter than that and understand that this is a impunity who lies with

or tries to lie with impunity, who has been involved in areations with ukraine that unconscionable. this is an abuse of power. >> washington journal continues. host: we are back with stephanie hamill, video columnist for the daily caller. good morning. guest: good morning. host: tell me what a video columnist is. guest: we are in 2019 and everything has a lot to do with video and social media. i am the video department of the daily caller. when they first started, they were mostly print, and now we have this growing video department. i do monologues where i give opinions on the political issues of the day. names.view big i will do reports. so i doopinion person, let people know i am conservative and that is not something i am hiding.

i will say i used to be an independent and had only worked on democratic campaigns. i switched. host: you switch back and forth. you identify as a conservative. guest: i ended up switching from independent to republican so i could vote for president trump in the primary in california, not that it would've made a big difference. i did it to make a point. host: how do you see a difference between what you at the daily caller do when it comes to covering washington as opposed to other news organizations? is there a difference? guest: it depends. if you look at the newsroom, we have people who are trump supporters, people who are liberals, who do not vote for trump, will not vote for trump. nts,ave independe libertarians. you are free to write as you want area no one is telling you how you should write a story. we are careful about facts.

be told i am spreading fake news. we are careful about the sources we use. there is a long process before a story makes it to print. we are pretty good about it. we hardly ever get it long -- wrong. host: you had a sit down with rudy giuliani last week. what was your big take away from that sit down with former mayor giuliani? guest: the former mayor is very frustrated because he is under attack. the president is under attack. he feels like when we are talking about ukraine and corruption we should be talking about the bidens. this is something he has been looking into for quite some time and he feels like he has gathered a lot of information. if you look at the story on its face, it does not look right 's son when he was vice president was working for this energy company in ukraine,

making so much money, when he did not really have any specific skills in that department, in natural gas, energy, or oil or ukraine. gots unusual that after he booted from the military for having a drug problem that he was immediately in this huge position for the energy company. it is something i will look into. follow the money. there could be something there. evidence, more documents, and everything else to back up those claims. me and the mayor is the lack of curiosity from the mainstream media. there were a lot of people who did not even want to look into it. to be fair, this all started with news outlets like politico that were scratching the surface on this. now, this comes as a blackout. it is all about president trump's phone call. we read the transcript. if you hate trump and are not a

supporter, you see a different and you want to impeach him. everyone else -- i do not see anything there. i feel like the white house or president trump would not have allowed for it to be released if you thought there was something so corrupt there. he is very transparent about it. host: your interview with former mayor giuliani came before these two giuliani associates were arrested in florida. now we are hearing rumors that the white house may start themselves from giuliani. do you think -- do you think that is going to happen. do you think that will have anything to do with giuliani's relationship with the white house? we heard from anonymous sources that the white house is going to distance itself. i listened to an interview on saturday evening with president trump on fox news.

is notnt trump distancing himself from his attorney, personal attorney, and friend for a long time. they have known each other for 30 years. they are close. i think president trump is all about loyalty and has very few people he can really trust. i think the mayor is one of the people he can trust. as for these two associates of giuliani, i believe the names are igor and lev. they are american citizens, which is getting lost in the title. they are ukrainians, but they are american citizens. been -- they have donated hundreds of thousands of andars to trump campaign other conservative candidates. i think there were allegations that may be this money came from other ukrainians or there was

some sort of -- they are trying to influence candidates or potentially president trump on policy. really, there is no hard evidence on this now. that is something i will continue to follow. as for where giuliani falls, he has not been accused of anything. does he know them? yes. there were pictures of him having lunch with these two u.s. citizens, but we will have to wait and see what happens. i think it is fascinating how these people -- how fast the government works when they are going after a campaign finance violation but the bidens -- no one is looking into that. they move quick. when people say there is a two tier justice system in this country, they are not wrong. host: if you want to join this conversation, we are opening our regular lines this morning. republicans, your line is (202)

748-8001. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. independents, we want to hear from you at (202) 748-8002. keep in mind you can text us as and you(202) 748-8003 can always contact us on social media on twitter @cspanwj, on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. here's what president trump tweeted about rudy giuliani this week. legendaryre after crime buster and greatest mayor in the history of n.y.c., rudy giuliani. he may seem rough around the edges sometimes, but he is a great guy and wonderful lawyer. such a one-sided witchhunt going on in usa. deep state. shameful. doesn't sound like president trump is distancing himself from rudy giuliani and that wheat. >> not at all. -- guest: not at all. if you look at mayor giuliani's

record, this is the mayor who took on the mob, who was very strong after 9/11. both sides.ted on now you see people flipping because he supports the president. it is such a shame. i do not think it is fair to drag mayor giuliani through the mud. part of our interview, he was discussing -- i asked him why did you take matters into her own hands when it came to collecting some of this alleged dirt against the bidens? -- why didn'to you go straight to the government agencies and let them know immediately rather than holding onto this information? he told me he was disappointed in our government agencies, specifically the fbi, and he had mentioned when he was going after the fbi -- after the mob that the fbi was behind him. he did not feel comfortable going straight to the fbi. there's a reason for that, as

you know. the whole russia probe hoax, if you will, that we had to look into for 2.5 years. divided our country. it turns out president trump was not an agent of the russians. of fbi agents were fired for lying. james comey -- people take issue with him. you remember the text messages between peter strzok and lisa page. they were all for hillary clinton with these were officials who should not be taking political sides. having an insider view of this discussion and stuff that was happening among top officials at the fbi would make a lot of people feel uncomfortable. these people have so much power. it is one of the most powerful agencies in the world. host: let's talk to mike, who is calling from los angeles, california on the democratic

line. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i agree with impeachment. we have seen a lot of trump's unacceptable policies and actions that can lead to the decline of united states power. many world leaders believe united states cannot be trusted. situation.ful how can we claim we are the and that our world nation has respect for human values? with ukrainian president is a clear abuse of his power. situation acceptable -- this on acceptable -- unacceptable situation should change and we should respect

human rights and honesty. guest: the first thing that stood out to me is obviously mike is not a huge fan of trump. impeach him for what? mike mentioned kids in cages. this is a narrative put together by the left and spun around by the media. -- these detention facilities were built under the obama administration. these are the same policies they had under the obama administration. people like mike care about it but did not before. there has been a lot of brainwashing by the media. i am the daughter of an immigrant from mexico. i care about human rights, but i also care about our borders. -- human rights are not being violated. it is rude to accuse our border patrol agents and to the people taking care of these migrants

because they are doing the best they can with the resources they have, which is why president trump has implemented this remain a mexico policy. we are sending the wrong message to other countries. we are saying if you come here we are going to catch and release, which is we will give you a little piece of paper and you return to court. no one returns to court. 90% of people do not return to court after they have been let go. we have to get a handle on this. , ifor the other policies think it is unfair. i think our president is doing a good job. we have record unemployment rates in this country. job.s done a fantastic none of that is reported. you only hear bad news herein does he speak like ronald reagan or obama? not exactly. i am more about actions and

words. host: let's talk to elizabeth on the republican line. couple good morning generalities, name-calling are so destructive. every issue is very complex. need -- knee-jerk and have opinions before we even know all the facts. controls what people know. the other comment is christians have opinions all the way from one spectrum to the other. of a grouperalities of people -- it is so dangerous. in all what i see

conversations -- media, social media. it is all generalities and we are fooling ourselves. i think there are a lot of generalities in social media. social media has good things, which is it connects people. host: we love our social media followers on c-span. guest: exactly. i get people that reach out to me from all over the country and i'm able to interview people because they messaged me and let me know about their stories. i think these are stories worth telling. there is a lot of focus on certain things. there is a narrative being driven and it is dangerous. there are other things going on other than president trump and his rhetoric. we need to get back on track and focus on things that are important in this country and that actual americans care about.

i read an article that dozens of rural hospitals are shutting down. that should be national news. i live in a rural community in arizona for a few years. i am imagining people having to drive hours to get hospital care because they do not have the hospitals they need to go to. -- it is like at a tennis match between trump and democrats. there is so much going on that we should really focus on. rural areafrom a myself in mississippi where there was one hospital. if that hospital goes away, it is an hour drive for anyone for medical care. i agree that is an issue we should look at more in this country. we have a little bit of news that came in this morning -- , according to bloomberg.com, is stepping down from the board of a chinese back private equity company and is promising to forgo all foreign his father is elected

president in 2020. after mostly keeping a low profile as president donald trump leveled a marriage of unsubstantiated accusations -- barrage of garage -- unsubstantiated accusations. what you think it says that hunter biden is taking this step saying he will forgo foreign work if his father wins the presidency? guest: it sounds suspicious. if he was not doing anything wrong, why would he step down? it is funny because that is what he did right before his father announced he was running for president in april. -- theped aside from national energy company in ukraine. if there is nothing wrong, why would you feel like you need to step away? host: let's go to our next caller, duane from mississippi

on the independent line. caller: i am glad you allowed me to:. -- to call in. i think you doing a great job. i pray for these independent news reporters because the truth needs to come out. i am one of those christians you talked about earlier. there's a reason why i voted for trump. trump is more conservative than the democrats. we believe he is going to do a lot of things we feel are in our wheelhouse. i have a problem with you all asking this question about christians voting for trump when nobody has asked the same question about obama. democrats voted god in jerusalem author platform. there is a reason -- off their platform. there is a reason we do not vote

for democrats. are praying for the president. we know this is a spiritual war. there is mode -- more going on than it appears. i wanted to find out why did biden get this job? what did he do for the company and why has he not done an interview? guest: if you could just imagine if this was donald trump's son making this type of money from foreign governments, that they were working out deals with, you would just imagine the media would be outside from our or wherever donald trump -- trump tower or wherever donald trump, jr. lives. where is hunter biden? where are the reporters looking for a scoop and story on him? we heard this report today that he is stepping aside from his deals in china, but this lack of interest in the bidens -- i went to journalism school.

journalismi studied is because we were supposed to be the watchdogs of america. we were supposed to expose corruption. now you go to journalism school to carry water for the democrats. that is insanity. it is an embarrassment for journalism. i would argue that journalism, for the most part, is dead. not u.s. c-span. -- you at c-span. host: i was about to push back on you because i also teach at journalism schools. i would not say journalism is dead. guest: i think local news markets are more fair. there was bias back in the day and i have stories about that. there's always going to be people that have slant. people need to be professional. the national sense, you have these top people at cnn writing press releases. -- at theople

national level, if you do not think one way, you get shut out. we see that all the time. the is in hollywood, in comedy sketches, the magazines. as somebody who used to work for democrats, i find myself open-minded and independent. i judge things for what they are. i am very disturbed by what has happened. to disagreel agree on the state of journalism. we will save that conversation for another day. let's talk to connie from new jersey on the democratic line. good morning. host: go ahead. ladyr: i want to ask this -- journalism for whom? not for me. i have been in this country since i was 17. i'm going to be 79. a lot ofen through

presidents. i am judgingt -- myself. not a democrat, not a republican, not an independent. just an american person. i have never seen, in my life, something like this. he represents everything -- represents. he does not represent the people. he is not pro-life. they want to investigate so much hunter biden. let's investigate trump's children. there is a lot to unpack their. obviously this person is unhappy with president trump.

i guess i'm going to push back. i think president trump has proven himself. promises made, promises kept on a lot of issues. there is more to be done. he has had pushback from the courts, from the do-nothing democrats who had every turn pushback. president trump even tried to do a docket deal with the -- daca deal with the democrats all of a sudden they are not for daca. all of these democrats who once were for border security are not for border security or fences. as somebody who lived along the border for almost my entire life from arizona to san diego, if you talk to anyone who lives by the border, they are think will for the wall. most walls were put in under bush and there were some fences put up under the obama administration. no one pushback on that. -- pushback on that -- pushed

back on that. host: there was an editorial earlier this week. donald trump have -- should not have been on the phone encouraging another country to investigate his political opponent. some republicans are trying, but there is no good way to spend this is a good idea. those in control of our government use it to advance their political goals, we become another of the world's many corrupt countries. america is better than that. that is why it is good there are investigations looking into the extent to which the obama fbi may have used our government and foreign governments to crush trump in the last election. the key question with trump's ukraine calls whether the president's actions rise to the level of an impeachable offense. it is hard to argue they do. that came from the daily caller. do you agree with that?

guest: no. i do not know who wrote this article. piece.n opinion i read the transcript over and over again. there was no part of the transcript where he specifically said you have to look into biden or i will withhold military eight. -- aid. that did not happen. complex, very complicated subjects. it is not just about the phone call. he goes back to early 2015 and where this whole steele dossier came from that was given to the courts and where that information came from. according to reports, it came from ukraine. this whole russia scandal happened in ukraine.

,hat is what he is looking into investigating the investigators and the origin of the russia probe. there is still investigation into that. attorney general william barr is looking into it. i hope they will find that information before the election. it is taking too long and that was something i asked mayor giuliani. he said these investigations take a long time, but he agrees it is taking a while. there was no quid pro quo. the foreign minister of ukraine said there was no pressure exerted on the president of ukraine to look into a political opponent. keep in mind biden is part of the russia probe according to reports of people looking into this. it is all connected -- obama, clintons whoc, the ,aid for this steele dossier which was salacious and full of

fake information. the stuff in there was pretty wild. they were using reports to corroborate. there was leaked information that went to these reporters. it is such a mess. the fact that this went to the court as a reason to spy on carter page -- is wild. host: that editorial came from the cofounder of the daily caller. that was there editorial. i want to be clear that that is who that came from. guest: like i said come at the daily caller, we are allowed to have our own opinions and that is an opinion piece. everyone is entitled to their opinion. i did not see anything in the transcript where i think there was -- you can think that phone call was inappropriate. host: as they said, inadvisable. guest: what is it an impeachable offense? i do not think so. host: let's go to bob from

illinois on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. the mainstream media is very biased against president trump. the washington post, the new york times -- i read them after the 2016 election. they wrote that the impeachment process begins today. we have that. senator schumer warned president trump that the intelligence destroy him six ways from sunday and the president never had a honeymoon with the press. i believe him when he says there is a witchhunt with impeachment. working 20vers are to nullify our vote. the people of our country voted him in.

imagine how much president trump could accomplish for our country if the resistance stopped and democrats got behind the president. imagine what the country could do. adam schiff -- when he made of that story but the president and read that into the congressional to go, is there anyway into the correction -- congressional record and correct that? that is forever. that goes into the library of congress. for adam schiff to make up a story and make trump sound like some kind of evildoer -- i thought that was very terrible. if anybody should be impeached, it is adam schiff. guest: i agree with you that it was inappropriate for the chairman of that committee to come up with this fake transcript and his own version of it. if the transcript was so horrible and if there was an

impeachable offense and their, wouldn't he have just read it straight? what is misleading about it is there are people who thought what his version of it, his dramatic reading, they thought that was the real transcript. i think it is confusing and misleading. uss is the same guy who told he was his own eyes saw evidence that president trump colluded with the russians and president trump was putin's puppet. he was wrong about that. he brought up the fact that there has been an effort to impeach trump since he took office. you are right. that is why this whole ukraine phone call controversy seems dishonest to me. even before that happens, we had the house judiciary committee starting its effort to impeach trump. they did not know what they

would impeach him over a, but they would find something. if they were serious about impeaching trump, they should do a house vote rather than doing this in a side committee in secret. now we cannot even -- the whistleblowers want to -- rather than speaking -- type out a testimony rather than speaking before the committee. it does not give republicans an opportunity to ask questions. serious matter. this should not be taken lightly. we are talking about impeaching the president, undoing election right before another election. the way the democrats are handling it is revealing what they are up to. let's talk to chris on the democratic line. caller: good morning. i would like to ask and point out that there is a smokescreen that donald trump throws up

every time there is an issue. wereabout the people that -- are in jail now my going to jail now, going to prison now that were his cabinet members or in his talk election -- top election officials? this smokescreen we are throwing up now about biden, who cares what joe biden's son does? who cares what hillary clinton does? she is a has-been. she did lose the presidency. presidentdonald as a because i am a veteran and i think we should support our president.

somebody withrt dirty hands like that. host: respond. guest: i was confused. support who with dirty hands? host: he sounds like he supports president trump but had issues with him. guest: can we asked r.i.m. to clarify? host: -- he is gone. guest: he is talking that some of the people and from paul's innercircle -- in trump's circle. i want to remind everyone that no one is serving time for colluding with the russians, which is what that whole investigation set out to find. instead, people got in trouble for taxes and lying under oath, other things. i think if you did that to any side, a lot of people would go to jail for tax stuff and everything else. there is a two tier justice system. , youu are a conservative

go to jail. there could side, be corruption and no one gets in trouble. host: we were showing a pole earlier in the show. that was a fox news poll showed 51% of voters right now approve of impeaching and removing the president. other voters want to impeach a not remove and other voters say they want no impeachment at all. we were talking about why evangelicals -- those numbers are different. 64% of white evangelicals say no impeachment, with 20% saying impeach and remove. what you see in those numbers? guest: that is if you believe the poll. i do think this media frenzy is influencing the way people see this. if you go out in the streets and

ask people, no one would articulate it. they want to impeach him because we do not like him. i am not taking these polls to serious. i know that before this ukraine phone call the majority of americans did not support impeachment because it is a waste of time, it is divisive. we have one year left before an election. why do it now? why not let the voters decide? will be betterit to wait until the next election and let people speak. interesting polls and i do think the media has an influence on people in the way they think. if the democrats thought there was reason to impeach, they would emulate take a house floor vote so it is on record. it is unprecedented, the way the democrats are handling this. host: president trump seems to agree with you about pulling.

here is what he had to say about a fox news poll. from the day i announced i was running for president, i have never had a good fox news poll. thanews is also different it used to be in the good old days. with people like andrew napo litano, who wanted to be a supreme court justice. president trump seems to agree with you about fox news polls. polls have never been kind to president trump. if you think about the way they do the surveys, no one wants to admit they support president trump because they do not want to. host: why do think that is? guest: 70 called me one time to ask a political question and i hung up. host: why do think that is? that is one of the things we have seen, that people support president trump but do not want to say it. why do you think that is? guest: look around you.

look what happens to trump supporters. i regularly get calls like white supremacist and nazi and racist and that i hate brown people. half my family lives in mexico. crazy.are literally trumped arrangement syndrome. if you look at some of the universities, i believe -- i hear conservative students say they are punished. ga hats.not wear ma people are afraid of what will happen to them. i hear conservative friends -- they cannot let you would know they are trump supporters. -- anyone know they are trump supporters. they fear retaliation. people do not know where the information is going. i do not think people should

have to hide. it is unfortunate that we are at that point were people do not have the right to express themselves unless they're supporting democrats. host: let's talk to curtis, who is calling from tulsa, oklahoma on the admin align. -- independent line. are you there? good morning. the first thing i would like to presidentelieve that trump should be locked up and put in jail before they impeach him. that is what i feel. i would like to say that. is the proper road for america to take, not just the democrats them about the republicans also. is in the same situation

or condition -- hello? host: go ahead. caller: america is in the same situation and condition that nazi germany was in prior to the second world war. i would like to say before i go oklahoma isthat nazi germany and tosa is berlin -- tulsa is berlin. i was born in mississippi. i'm 85 years of age. i stayed there for 18 months. -- ian-american people separate them from people from the caribbean. as african-americans that are only african people -- forced to come to america against their will.

his entourage, all of them should remember what happened to mussolini and his wife and hitler's and his wife. it is not going to get better. is going to get worse. host: go ahead and respond. guest: i really dislike when people try to make comparisons and the way wet are living under trump. i thing it is disgraceful. i do not see any comparison to that. racism andect anything like that. when people throw around the tler, it watersi down real racism and what the holocaust survivors and victims of the holocaust went through. don on thes talk to

republican line. are you there? yes, here i am. have you read the book open borders? guest: i have not. caller: it is a very good book. i have only gotten halfway through it. how can a billionaire like george soros because all this trouble in the first place? he has personally financed the border crossings. he has paid for organizations to fight for them, to get them tutored to know exactly what to say when they come across the border so they get into detention instead of getting turned around. you saw on the news every day that they had money to buy food. they had transportation. it was very organized. it has cost america billions of dollars. why isn't he in jail?

, i haves for soros heard a lot of these reports. i have not done any personal investigations into it, so i think it is interesting. i have heard people say he has been funding these groups. you're right, it was interesting to see a lot of these migrants put on shuttles, buses. in south around fast america and mexico. they have the internet and they know what they need to say. you claim asylum because you fear you could be the victim of drug cartels and this and that. people know how to game the system. trump's remain in mexico policy of sending a message to people that they do not want to stay in mexico. people who are coming from

honduras and other countries. that is why there has been a big drop in decline and the numbers at the border. in thehat you expect news on impeachment at president trump? guest: we know the white house is not going to start turning over things because a lot of the officials technically were not subpoena. there will be headlines like mayor giuliani subpoenaed but it was a letter, not official. there will be conversations back and forth and house speaker nancy pelosi will test the waters to see where america stands on impeachment and if it is worth it for her to take it to a house floor vote. there are 30 or vulnerable democrats they are trying to save. if those democrats vote for impeachment, their futures could be in jeopardy. the discussion this week will be about impeachment. they need to do a service to the and let american

voices be and let american voices be heard. host: we would like to thank stephanie hamill. i forgot to say earlier -- cohost of like it or not on fox five d.c. in washington, d.c. toing up next, we will talk mieke eoyang, the national security program vice president of third wave. stick around. ♪ >> tonight on q&a, historian

jeff guinn discusses his book "the vagabonds" about road trips taken by henry ford and thomas edison. >> the idea was they wanted to go out and have fun. they wanted to demonstrate you can do these things. toy were not going to have light their own campfires. they were not going to eat cold beings out of cans. they were not just going to put a blanket on the ground. they had different amenities. they had refrigerated car powered by edison batteries so they could have fresh dairy. they had chefs to prepare gourmet meals at night. in the morning, they were dressed in freshly ironed clothes. they were so famous in america was so grateful to them that that did not matter. was we are out in cars traveling and seeing these things. you can do it too. guest: tonight at 8:00 -- >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a.

campaign 2020 -- watch our live coverage of the presidential candidates on the campaign trail and make up your own mind. campaign 2020, your unfiltered view of politics. continues.on journal host: we are back with mieke eoyang, the national security program vice president of third way. good morning. remind us what third way is. guest: third way is a centerleft think tank in washington, d.c.. host: what do you do? guest: we do work trying to preserve the middle of american politics and work to advance helping movee america forward. i run the national security program and we do work on anding members of congress the legislative branch be better at national security issues.

earlier this week, the white house said it is not going to cooperate with the house impeachment probe. they sent a letter to the hill coming to speaker pelosi, that says given your inquiry lacks legitimate constitutional foundation, any pretense of fairness or the most elementary due process protections, the executive branch cannot be expected to participate in it because participating in the inquiry under the current unconstitutional would inflict lasting constitutional harm on the executive branch. you have left the president no choice. particular, his obligations to preserve the right of future occupants of this office, president trump cannot permit his administration to participate in this partisan inquiry under the circumstances. how do democrats respond to that? guest: i think many people who

read that who have a legal background think this is a legal temper tantrum but not based on law or the constitution. the end of this week, what we saw as the federal courts rejected this line of argument from the white house. they said in a case where the trump administration is seeking to block access to his tax returns that congress has a legitimate legislative purpose and the right to get these documents. ukrainet even on the investigation, which speaker pelosi has specifically deemed as part of the impeachment inquiry, which is obviously a legitimate legislative purpose. the administration's argument is designed to channel the president's frustration but it is not a legal argument. the: we heard earlier from daily caller that the president's call with ukraine was inadvisable but did not rise to the level of impeachment. do you think that transcript we

to, that has been referred do you think that rises to the level of in a peach offense for the president of the united states? -- impeachable offense for the president of united's great -- united states? guest: the president is talking to the president of ukraine about military aide come about the relationship going forward. he says i need you to do me a favor. they talk about the investigation of joe biden's son. they talk about this reference fake scandal that perhaps the russian 2016 election interference started in ukraine. it is clear from the text messages released by kurt volker, the president's special envoy, that it was not just a phone call itself. there were phone calls between the president's aides in advance to set the context that this was something that the president wanted from ukraine if they were

going to get military aid necessary so they could defend themselves against the russian aggression that has occupied the eastern half of the country. it is important to remember that ukraine is literally fighting for its life and needs this aid. when a president says i need a favor, they are inclined to feel a lot of pressure to deliver that favor. this is not a favor for america's national security interests. this is for the president's personal political interests. it is about trying to create a negative narrative around his most feared political rival. in america, we do not want the president of the united states and listing governments to help him in his own personal politics to preserve the power of one man. you want the president of the united states looking at and making decisions for the nation on behalf of the entire nation. leveldoes this rise to a -- to the level of a crime? guest: let me make references to

things in the constitution. article one, section 9 -- no title of nobility shall be given to the united states and no person holding any office shall without the consent of congress except any emoluments, office, or title from any king, prince, or foreign state. this is known as the emoluments clause, which prohibits the president of united states taking a thing of value unless authorized by congress. the president was not authorized to receive opposition research and election help under the constitution. for those readers who do not have the constitution in front of them, the other claws we pay attention to is article two, section four. the president and vice president shall be removed from office on conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. what you see here when we talk

about bribery is the president of the united states asking for something of personal value from a foreign country. this is one of the specific terms for removal of office in the constitution. host: if you want to join this conversation, republicans, your line is (202) 748-8001. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. independents, you can call at (202) 748-8002. beacon text is that -- you can text us at (202) 748-8003. andre on twitter @cspanwj on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. your title is national security program vice president. is what the president is doing affecting our national security? does impeachment of the president affect national security? guest: what the president is

doing effects national security. we have long been supporting ukraine in its attempt to rid itself of corruption. withhave a real problem trying to use offices to enrich themselves and also for ukraine to join the west. one of the things they have been doing and we have been helping them with is helping them become more independent from russia. try to get theto more independent and be able to patrol their own country. russia has been trying to interfere in ukraine's process. ukraine is potentially an important u.s. ally, but one of the things we see is the kind of attacks russia tries there they often bring later to the united infrastructure, election -- attacks on their infrastructure, election system, to bribe officials. we want to know what kinds of attacks russia will use against americans. we can look to ukraine to understand what that is going to

be. staffer somee a years back. how is adam schiff handling this inquiry? guest: i think he is being careful. he is a prosecutor. i worked with him on the committee. he is a very thoughtful, thorough member of congress. what you see in this is his attempt to go carefully through all the evidence, to speak to all the witnesses. when he eventually brings charges forward, they will be supported by evidence. he was never a partisan firebrand. . he would consider both sides carefully. what you see now is his tremendous frustration and alarm actions.esident's the president has betrayed his oath of office. host: let's talk to chris, who is calling from florida on the democratic line. i cannot pronounce your

name to save my life. there are a lot of vowels. forgive me for not referring to properly. reference theou constitution and read from it. was, aslly struck me was,se -- ambiguous as it it sounds like joe biden threatening the ukrainians to withhold taxpayer money unless they fired the prosecutor that was invested getting his son, more into- would fall that characterization that anything president trump did. obviously is another arm of the socialist agenda in

washington to attack president trump. the would you say to obvious crimes that joe biden committed and the obvious fraud that his son was involved with with collecting millions of dollars from the ukraine and industries he had no experience in whatsoever unless this prosecutor that was investigating it? people whot, i think are actual socialists would be appalled that you think third way is a socialist organization. biden wasen joe talking to the ukrainians about the particular prosecutor, he was urging ukrainians to be more aggressive in their pursuit of corruption in the country. i went to ukraine in 2016. i have been to the house of the former ukrainian president, who fled to russia. pro quotepeople who

gifts is part of their way of life. this story of corruption has by associates of rudy giuliani who were arrested for trying to flee the country for spreading campaign contributions to get them to go easier on corruption in ukraine. this is not about joe biden or joe biden's son. this is about the president of the united states come his actions in office. he is surrounded by a halo of people who are engaged in corruption and who are taking ukrainian oligarch money for years. host: while we're on this subject, i want to talk -- to get your reaction to news that came out of bloomberg this morning about former vice president joe biden's son. according to bloomberg, hunter biden is stepping down from the board of a chinese private equity company and promising to forgo all foreign work if his father is elected president in

2020. after months of keeping a low profile as president donald trump levels unsubstantiated accusations at him, the younger biden is bowing to avoid conflict of interest. guest: i think that is important. the children of the president of the united states should not do business with foreign entities. joe biden's son should not be doing this. donald trump's son should not be doing this. joe biden's son is taking steps to remove conflict of interest before his father's even a nominee. the president's children are still engaged in negotiations with foreign entry -- entities overseas while personally profiting. that is nepotism. that is the kind of thing, if it were done by lower-level officials, we would have the fbi knocking on their door and

unsealing indictments against those people. we keep talking about joe biden's son. son, when he was a private citizen, his father was a private citizen, running for president, and we are not talking about the business dealings of the president's children. host: let's talk to diane, who is calling from pennsylvania on the democrats' line. caller: good morning. how are you today? host: just fine. go ahead. caller: ok, the impeachment on president trump, how can that be successful with the senate just not cooperating at all? it has to go through the senate. i believe that trump should be impeached. i believe that he has committed high crimes. frome been watching this day one, since he was running for president, and all of the things he has done are obscene, actually, and he has no qualms

about milking the public. he thinks that it is ok. he thinks that he is the "chosen one." he thinks only he can do what .eeds to be done for guest: it is certainly true that this presidency will have a lasting impact on america, the weight operates in the world, on our economy, and on our government. agree that he is a unique danger to the united states. when he was running for office, the things he said were critical, but this impeachment is about his actions while in office. this impeachment is about what he did as president of the united states, from the global office -- the oval office, to benefit himself personally. i think there is a lot of concern that there are republicans in the senate to say it is ok for the president of the united states to use the awesome powers of this country to benefit himself personally. you see a few republicans who are willing to say no, the office should not be used for

your personal benefit i mean, we fought a revolutionary war in order to say the country is bigger than just one person. evidence comehe out, candid republicans in the senate honestly look at themselves and say, "this is ok, and this is not a betrayal of the constitution." i have a hard time thinking that on the facts and what we'll seen already and what is still to come that you could say he has been true to his oath of office. i do not think that he has. conversationsome earlier on this show about former mayor of giuliani and the work that he has done for president donald trump in ukraine. a couple of former mayor giuliani's associates have been arrested for campaign finance violations. what does this mean for the impeachment investigation, and does this give democrats in the house more fuel for their cause for impeachment? guest: i think one of the clearest signs that this arrest

this week shows that for other people than the president, it is very clear that for in campaign contributions are illegal and a crime, and that these two people were arrested for spreading around this kind of money, for taking ukrainian money and trying to influence this process, that the oj the fbi considers this a very serious crime. -- is we have to decide the president above the law, or if he held to the same laws that apply to everyone else? and i think that if you believe in the role of law, that you believe we are a nation of laws and not individual men, that the president is in real trouble here and should be held accountable. who: let's talk to sheila, is calling from massachusetts on the republican line. sheila, good morning. caller: good morning. and thanks for taking my call. just a few comments i would like to make. first of all, joe biden was influence peddling. adam schiff lied and put it into the congressional record.

why are you not saying anything about that? don't we have a treaty with ukraine to root out corruption, and president had a perfect right to ask that they find the corruption there. in that statement, did trump actually say, "i need you to"? are those words in that transcript? thank you very much. you talk a good game, and fast talker, thanks. guest: um, first of all, we do not have a treaty with ukraine. it is an a shared interest of both countries that we root out corruption, exactly the type of corruption that rudy giuliani's associates were arrested for this week. and a legal standard are not just some magic words that trigger a sense of -- would trigger you into being guilty of soliciting a bribe, or soliciting a foreign emolument, o setting up a quid

pro quo, we know the contents of what related exactly what was happening here. to avoid ao exact criminal charge, "i need you to," we would never be a liquid or any organized crime or any criminals in jail. that is not the standard here. it is the totality of the circumstance was the president holding something that the ukrainians valued and till they gave him something that he wanted? it is very clear from the transcript that that is what he would do. host: you said you knew adam schiff when you work for the house intelligence community? guest: yes. host: adam schiff had this to say at a rally earlier this week -- president trump had this to say at a rally earlier this week. ♪ pres. trump: we released a transcript that was so good, that that crooked adam schiff --

this guy is so crooked -- [crowd booing] to make up ahe had fake conversation that never happened, and he delivered it to the united states congress and the american people. [crowd booing] pres. trump: it was a total fraud. and then nancy pelosi said, "oh, i think the president said that." [crowd booing] pres. trump: these people are sick, i am telling you, they are sick, and you know what? waited one day longer, they would have had a transcript of the actual call, word for word, it would have been perfect. theyad, they released it, went early, they said all of these horrible things. you know why? because they never thought in a million years that i was going to release a transcript of the call. host: is adam schiff becoming

too much of a part of the story? guest: he is the lead investigator, so he will be part of the story regardless. the president has been very clear that he likes to attack and said someone else up to be has oil, whether that is bob , shepard smith, the president likes to go after people who bring the truth to the american people and hold him accountable, so of course he is going to make adam schiff the story, but that is not the issue beer. the issue is not what adam schiff is doing or what he said and the opening statement, the issue is -- what did the president do? how did the president's and understand what he did, and what was the effect on that? it is the president at issue, not adam schiff. host: let's go to lionel calling from west virginia on the independent line.

lionel, good morning. caller: good morning. an awful lot going on with this lady you have on television. trump never use the word "me," he said the word "us." adam schiff is known and guilty of falsifying congressional records. we know that the clinton , the obamahe dnc justice department, and the obama ove oval office conspired with foreign governments and fou foreign to prohibit we the american people for a particular outcome in a presidential election. that is the definition of treason. and, ma'am, i am sorry for you, i really am, because you're nothing but a pathetic, pathological liar. host: i will let you respond to that. guest: look i know it is really hard for people to believe

that someone they support could actually subvert the constitution like this. we have never had this happen before in the history of the united states. and i know it is hard to believe that someone you think is working in your best interest actually is not. but this is a president who has a history of only being out for himself. and i'm sorry that you feel the need to insult other people and go down this road. i think when you look at the president's actions, though, and what he has done in this using his office, it is very clear that he does not have america's best interest at heart. the lawnct, stood on of the white house and said to the chinese, "hey, give mitterrand joe biden," in the middle of a tariff negotiation, over whether or not american farmers could sell goods to chinese, he said to china, "hey, what matters to me is political dirt, not the economy of the united states." i know it is hard to understand that this man is not in it for

america, but he is not. you arece again, mieke, the national security vice president at third way. the president has just tweeted about what is going on in turkey. this is what he just tweeted -- "very smart not to be involved in the intense riding along the -- fighting along the turkish border, for a change. those mistakenly guided into foreign wars are still pushing the fight. they have no idea what a bad decision they have made. why are they not asking for a declaration of war?" what is your response to that week that just came out of the white house? guest: i mean, i feel like it starts in one place and is in another, it starts with "let's not go to war," and ends with "let's go to war, but that is of the inconsistency that we see out of this white house. that we are saying to turkey, you pull right out, and you can he is sayingand they are allies, meanwhile, the

turks are shelling u.s. forces on the ground would have been fighting isis. the president's inconsistency here, his inability to plan, his inability to say what is going on is making us less trusted our allies,es -- by and is likely to result in a resurgence of isis. all of the kurds, two have been trying to hold the isis members as prisoners for us, we are abandoning those people. they fought side-by-side with the americans. more kurds have given their lives against isis than americans, and the president has pulled the rug out from underneath them, and you see republicans all over the hill being incredibly frustrated and breaking with the president over this particular policy, which is making america less safe. host: let's go to maria, who is calling from mechanicsville, new york, on the democratic line.

maria, good morning. listen, impeachment is a waste of time. let's get the people's work done. as a democrat, i cannot vote for a democrat when they are for a agenda -- for abortion and promoting a socialist agenda. this is not the party of jfk anymore. host: go ahead and respond. guest: the democratic party is very much true to those values. i don't think that the democratic party has embraced socialism. there are a lot of people who are really working to make sure that we have opportunity widely throughout this country, and that people everywhere have the opportunity to earn a good life. i do not think that what you are saying is true about the party, and i'm sorry that you feel that way about democrats that you cannot vote for democrats, but i personally would not feel comfortable voting for someone who thinks that the oval office is just for his own personal benefit and is not interested in

the welfare of all americans. jay who, istalk to calling from scottsville, virginia, on the independent line. jay, good morning. caller: hi. thanks for taking my call. as a veteran who has taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution, i actually thought about that first part, "solemnly swear to protect and defend," and you actually protect the intention of the constitution, which i thought about. that is "protect and defend domestic tranquility." um, i don't see the president of the united states, as we speak, doing anything protection -- doing anything but protecting his business operations. managementcting the

hotel inhis, uh, turkey, and, uh, he is protecting his business operations, so it is not even political. he is protecting the business operations, as he is using our government as a business. now, it seems to me that we can either view our rights coming from man, as they do in russia, and in helsinki, the president aligned himself with the russian federation, or we can view our says in theg as it declaration of independence, as coming from the creator of the universe, from providence. and those rights are infinite. and if they come from man, you , as donnellribute

club the -- donald trump declared himself "the chosen one," and he seems to react in that manner. host: go ahead and respond. guest: i think people are concerned that this president, unlike any president before, has co-mingled personal business with the business of running the country. i think that is why democrats are seeking his tax returns and seeking to a understand exactly what is going on. see these financial transactions that are occurring between deutsche bank and the president, i think there are no questions about whether or not the president is actually doing this for himself or for, as you say, his hotel chain, and that should never be a question that the american people have. they should never wonder whether or not the president is putting their interests first or his pocketbook first. i think of donald trump were actually true to his oath of office, he would do best himself completely of all of his hotel holdings.

he would get his children out of the white house, and he would separate government from his personal business. host: let's go to jerry, who is calling from west bend, wisconsin, on the republican line. jerry, good morning. caller: yeah, good morning. host: good morning. go ahead, jerry. h, i wasyeah, u wondering, did anyone look at some of the four trump was president and he was up against hillary clinton, how much money did the clinton foundation get from china? how much did they get from russia for their campaign? and another question -- did anybody ever ask barack obama when he was sitting with putin, when he made that statement "well, when imic, get reelected, i will have more power"? what did he mean by that? and the thing with the mueller investigation, with the fisa

abuse and all of that, to me, that just showed that they were won, neverrump had thinking that he would. lisa page even made the comment, "well, we have got an insurance policy, just in case that whatever happen." what did they mean by that? host: go ahead. guest: i have no idea what they would mean by that. i think there are people who feel like the president's actions as a candidate are from his actions as president. obstruction of justice is one of the things that congress has typically impeached a president for. they did it for nixon, and they did it for clinton. as for your question about the clinton foundation, there is no allegation that money from the clinton foundation founded way

into the clinton campaign. those are separate things. now, does president clinton have a foundation, and whether foundations are, are certainly canthing that the people ask questions about, but has nothing to do with the running of government because hillary clinton is not president of the united states, something that i am personally disappointed about, but my question is -- how has president trump used his office, what has he done while in office to stay true to the constitution or betrayed because of vision, and that is what this investigation is about. host: well, president trump has continued to tweet about foreign affairs this morning. since you are an expert in this area, i want to let you know what he is saying and get your reaction to this. here is a new tweet from president trump who says, "do you remember two years ago when iraq was going to fight the kurds in a different part of syria? many people wanted us to fight with the kurds against iraq, who we just fought for. i said no, and the kurds left the fight twice. now the same thing is happening with turkey.

" "the kurds in turkey have been fighting for many years. others may want to come in and fight for one side or another. listen, we are monitoring the situation closely. !"dless wars what is your reaction to that? guest: i am not sure what he is saying when he said they wanted to attack the kurds. the kurds are spread through southern iraq in western iran. they are one of the people who do not have a sovereign country of their own. 2003happened after the iraq war is that the kurdish people in northern iraq were able to establish a semiautonomous region there, which actually has tended to prosper. they have trade there, it is very stable, and they have been staunch allies of the united

states and our efforts to root out terrorism in that part of the region and also in trying to bring political stability to that area and work within the iraqi government to try and really restore peace to that country. to abandon the kurds now is -- it is just cruel. it is just cruel after all they have done for us. now, it is not the first on the u.s. has abandoned the kurds, which we did after george h.w. bush' iraq wars in 1991, but i think what is really, really damming here is that we have left the kurds at the mercy of the country who has deemed them a threat and has a history of engaging in genocide. host: let's talk to rose, to is calling from oakland, maine on the democratic line. rose, good morning. caller: good morning. i just have a couple of problems. i am horrified by what has been

going on, and as far as the to comment onwant that briefly, because i do not know enough about it, but i do -- to theobama was kurds, so i just find it, everything you are talking about this morning is heartbreaking to me, and i think you are being totally hypocritical, and you are having a double standard about everything. that is what is totally wrong. this is not an impeachment for he in the house. ,his is actually a committee because impeachment inquiry would involve republicans, which you are not doing care you are not taking a vote, you're not doing this in the open, you are doing it in secret meetings 30 talk about the tweets or the text that came out, they only leaked out the text that help to their cause, so release all of the transcript from these hearings that you can come and release all of the text, not just what benefits your side of the argument.

i am a democrat, embarrassed, because i voted democrat a lot, and now i am actually supporting the president now, because i think the abuse of powers by congress, and they are not above the law, and there are separation of powers to the president, he answers to the senate, not to a committee of democrats, so you are disenfranchising a whole group of voters, millions of americans that actually voted for him. when need to go back to a time when we worked together and got things done in this country, and you have gotten more done than democrats in four years. there are america's with real problems, and we need real solutions. infighting is what got trump elected it i am sorry you do not like him, but at least he has gotten some's f done in four years. host: go ahead and respond. guest: i think the president's time in office have actually been quite weak.

the yield curve inversion shows markets are actually quite nervous about the way he is handling the economy. look, i think that also the caller fundamentally misunderstand the way that impeachment works, constitutionally. impeachmentocess of goes to a grand jury. prosecutor goes and investigate, they look at a whole bunch of different things, they gather a bunch of evidence, and then when they are ready, they present a list of charges, and those charges get voted on. right now, we are in the investigative stage, so they will look at a whole bunch of different things and say, which allegations have enough evidence behind them to put them in the house and which ones they want. at that point, once the particular charges are laid forward for the president, then there will be a vote on them, and then they will proceed to the senate where the president while the right to look at the y are presenting, and he will have a chance to answer them, and the senate will vote.

the senate process is more like a trial. it is a two-stage process here. jurynormally in a grand process, what happens is only the prosecutor is in the room. nobody there on behalf of the defense is in the room. and even the witnesses that go in, they are not allowed to bring their lawyers into the room. they would have to step out to ask a lawyer a question, and then step back into the room. in this case, when you see the closed-door hearings happening in the house, is republicans are present, and my understanding is the right to ask questions of the witnesses, which is why these hearings are going on for hours an hours, and witnesses have the right to have a personal lawyer present. so there are people on the in thent's teams who are rooms were hearing all of this testimony at the same time that the democrats are hearing the testimony. this is actually much more fair than what you would see in a traditional criminal process to bring an indictment. so i just feel it is important clarify that for the viewers, but the way that the caller understand the process is not actually what is happening. host: let's talk to dorothy, who

is calling from baltimore, maryland on the democratic line. dorothy, good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to know how people don't understand that all of this confusion that is going on is actually caused by trump. trump is not trying to bring the country together. trump, every rally has is about criticizing, infighting, and everything else. that is not what i want to say. things, and that he pretends he is fixing what he actually broke, like the iran deal. that was going fine with all the other countries, they was complying and everything, and then he broke it. we always went to war with iran. he did something to make that happen. about the impeachment theater there are text messages from ukraine to one of his aides, or whoever it was, that stated that they understood him forant him to do a favor him, because he was holding up their military money.

two, why is the personal lawyer of the president going to investigate anything or anybody? if trump had any evidence of this, which you don't -- somebody probably told him on fox news to do this -- but he could go to the doj, the cia, the fbi -- how is the president going to get his own lawyers to investigate a citizen of the united states? that -- what is that? guest: that is messed up, is what that is. i agree with the caller, this is really problematic. but at the same time the president's personal lawyer is "investigating" this scandal, his associates are also receiving millions of dollars, from russian-backed ukrainian playings, so he is both sides of this thing. i think it is very problematic, and if i were the president's lawyer, i would be very nervous for my client, because there are only a couple of options for him

third he is either doing on behalf of the president, so he is complicit, getting ukraine to do this could be considering or onting a bribe, behalf of your critic lance come in which case he is committing a foreign registration act violation, for which he could also go to jail. the third possibility, which no one believes the president has already set is working for him, is that he is doing on his own, freelancing, then that is a violation of the logan act, a private citizen conducting for policy for the united states without authorization. so either way, rudy giuliani has broken some laws. host: let's talk to carlos, who is calling from athens, tennessee on the republican line. carlos, good morning. caller: good morning. to you. i have been watching all of these things going on and on, and i really, really feel sorry for president trump, but i feel more sorry for this lady. a lot of democrats have failed , in every chance that they

had, they failed. i can see her face twisted around in her eyes blink around, and that is because she ain't got no more answers. we keep putting up with lies and lies about the president. a lot of journalists try to become lawyers, and a lot of lawyers try to become -- sometimes i can tell, you know, these people do not love the united states like this president loves. host: go ahead and respond. guest: i have never been accused of not having an answer before. i thank my family would be very surprised to hear that. look, i think that there are people who are really frustrated at the situation. there is an old adage that says "if you have the facts, if you don't have th argue the facts. if you don't have the facts, argue the law. if you don't have the law, down the table and yell a lot." the president

pounding the table and yelling a lot could i have sworn the office of the constitution, and i believe in that. host: let's go to tony, who is calling from marietta, georgia on the independent line. tony good morning. caller: good morning. eoyang. we, being carried by a swamp master, i called the show 2, 3 ears ago, and said that he would introduced tons of lizards and all these things into the swamp, because he is the swap master. i saw a report on msnbc that there was some type of mental or psychological algorithm played on the public, and mostly fox news watchers, in

guyr words, just like the called and said, he could not pronounce your name, two syllables in both names. it is ignorance. and seriously, donald trump needs to be impeached immediately, no inquiry, just impeached. he cannot carry even gerald ford's jockstrap, politically or intellectually. host: go ahead and respond. guest: i agree with you that the actions warrant impeachment, but i think in a country where we live by rule of law, an investigation to look at all the facts and evidence is still worth doing, because i think it is important that we do not rush to judgment based on some pressure was, that we give -- press reports, that we give the time to actually investigate. and to your report about bringing the creature to this one, you will recall that this is a president who said he wanted to defend the southern

border by digging a moat with alligators. host: what you expect to see this week when congress returns? guest: i expect to see a lot more hearings coming forward. they are going to take a bunch more dust resistance. i think -- depositions. i think you will see a lot of reviewing by committees over the break, and i imagine you will see the president continuing to rage on twitter. meanwhile, i think nancy pelosi has been very clear that the house is still going to try to move forward on issues like trade agreements, on health care, on education, and that work continues. the house is able to do a lot of different things at the same time. there's 435 of them. host: we would like to thank mieke eoyang, the national security program vice president for third way, for spending part of her saturday morning -- sunday morning with us. mieke, thank you so much for coming in. guest: they for having made. host: our question of the day -- should evangelicals continue to back trump?

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can also text us at (202) 748-8003. and remember, we are always reading on social media, on twitter @cspanwj and on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. welcome once again, president trump spoke at the value voter summer last night to evangelicals supporters, and here is what president trump had to say. [video clip] pres. trump: we believe in the right for free speech. we believe in the right to life. [cheers & applause] [crowd chanting "four more years"] pres. trump: thank you.

we know that families and churches, not government toicials, know best how create strong and loving communities. it has been that way in our country. [applause] pres. trump: and above all else, we know this -- in america, we do not worship a government, we worship god. [cheers & applause] pres. trump: thank you. you were there from the first minute of my presidency. toave taken historic action defend religious liberty. [applause] pres. trump: tony knows that very well. was saying "what do you

think?" i don't know him very well, but i think you are very happy, tony, now, right? [applause] pres. trump: something i am very proud of, i stopped the johnson amendment from interfering with pastors' rights to speak your mind. you ca are the people we want to hear from. we want to hear from you. [applause] pres. trump: we are protecting the conscience, rights, and think of this, those rights of doctors and nurses and teachers and groups like the little sisters of the poor. they are incredible people. and we are preserving our country's vital tradition of faith-based. adoption. host: there is a column in the

"washington examiner" written by kimberly ralph that i want to discuss. here is what kimberly wrote -- host: once again, the question is -- should evangelicals keep

backing president donald trump? let's go to our phones and talk to kathleen, who is calling from new york on the democratic line. kathleen, good morning. caller: yes. host: go ahead, kathleen. caller: yes, ok, i am so sorry. ridiculous it is that anybody actually backs this guy, ok? [laughs] caller: let's be honest, you know? i always heard "satan is the father of all lies." every time this guy opens his mouth, he is lying. think that he says things, does not really believe in them in his mind or heart, but he says things, you know, to gain support. you know what i am saying? i just, seriously, sir, i don't like this guy. i don't like him, you know.

you know, look what is happening in syria now. i don't like him. host: let's go to rob who is calling on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. hopefully give me a few minutes. this has been a very interesting morning with mieke on there. first of all, evangelicals are behind trump, because he is not anti-christian. he is not making them feel embarrassed where they cannot say "christmas" and those kinds of things. he has made that very clear. i think he is for religious freedom. it is very obvious. i would like to take a minute here and point out something. i think c-span is getting to be used by the long arm of the democratic party, and don't just punch me off, because i have watched you for over four or five years, and every day for the last couple of weeks you have had somebody that is pro-impeachment, pro-impeachment, pro-impeachment, like mieke is.

that is all she is talking about is impeaching the president, but she had no facts. you pulledt is, if up the column on the robert mueller questioning, he asked the question, specifically, "did the president in the you in any way," and mueller said, "no." nobody said that fact. everybody is saying "i feel the president is lying, i feel," collins specifically asked mueller if he impeded this investigation anyway, mueller said "no." host: now, rob, did you miss stephanie hamill on the show earlier today? caller: i tell you, every day you give more time to the people trying to impeach the president every day. first of all, isn't a man innocent until proven guilty?

sense when doesn't even the president have that right, innocent until proven guilty? there is not anything they got on him on the mueller investigation, nothing, zero, and now because i got nothing, adam schiff has turned and twist -- which they should change his name from adam schiff to "mr. wizard," don't look behind the curtain. don't look behind the curtain, because he has nothing. before they started that he needs ton, unequivocally prove that he has all the evidence that president trump violated the law and colluded with russia. those are the exact words from adam schiff. and the bottom line is the president is the highest law of the land. over the justice department, and if he wants to us great about information of some dirt on individuals that would be colluding with ukraine, getting back to the root of how that thing all popped up with hillary clinton. another thing, they say trump is a liar, bill clinton pointed out

the camera and said "i did not have sex with that woman, monica lewinsky." that is a liar. michelle,s go to calling from illinois. michelle identifies herself as an agen evangelical. caller: good morning. my name is michelle could i am an evangelical pastor. i converted when i was 18. for make him a political leader is always flawed, so i look at the range of who they are and what they do. qualify on does not anything in the range of somebody i could possibly support. i have been disappointed time and time again. the word of "evangelical" means "good news." christians may call themselves evangelical, but they are not, they may be fundamentalists, but they are not evangelical good ist's love andchr

foundation. is about affirming others are i never felt my lives were impinged in any way as a christian pastor and 40 years. thank you. host: let's go to murphy in shreveport, louisiana on the independent line. murphy, good morning. -- er: host: murphy, can you do us a favor and turn your television down in the background? caller: ok. ok. host: now, go ahead. i am just calling about the evangelicals and stuff, and i think they are still with trump,ecause he needs -- because he needs prayer. people are hollering whited joe biden's son take that job and make that money?

if it were my son, i would be happy that my son made that kind of money. and look at trump's kids. it had nothing to do with joe biden. and they did that with hillary, and the republicans went on and just beat them across the head. , don't know why they, cross, with clinton, clinton don't had nothing to do with this. , it is about ukraine just a whole bunch of mess, and some of that has to be accounted for. host: let's go to diane, who is connecticut, and diane identifies herself as an evangelical. diane, good morning. caller: good morning. i am totally for donald trump, mainly because he is the only president who has ever stood up for evangelicals and for

christian believes. he is against abortion. he has tried to pass laws against it. the democrats are totally for abortion. i think the democrats are hypocrites. they say that they care about children who are being caged, but they do not care about abortion. that is not the right thing to believe in. abortion is killing unborn infants. also, they believe in same-sex marriage, which is awful, hypocritical, and not right. homosexuals cannot have children. i think democrats are totally against children. and donald trump should not be impeached, because he is the only one who is standing up for the right thing. we have no other choice. evangelicals have no other choice but to vote for donald again,when he runs th

and i do not think he should be in these because joe biden did something wrong, joe biden's son did something wrong, but the democrats are not looking at that. they are only looking at what donald trump is doing. host: let's go to colleen, who is calling from california on the democratic line. colleen, good morning. caller: good morning. that definitely think, uh, donald trump needs to be impeached. he has done nothing but lies he has became president. he said there were more people let his inauguration than anyone else's, and there were into seats in the mall, half-empty. the pictures speak louder than the words. evangelicals the

having -- believing in right to life, everybody believes in right to life, at least i do. but if a woman uses birth control, she won't get pregnant and need to have an abortion, and that is what all the clinics are doing, helping women stay healthy, and as far as worshiping god, and because of vision, it says we are all free to worship as we choose. what about atheists? and do not believe in god, they should have a voice also. trump, ands back that is fine, but we are all immigrants. relatives came over in 1640,

so everybody in the united states is an immigrant, because the only people that lived here prior to that were american indians. host: let's go to beverly, who is calling from new smyrna beach, florida, on the republican line. beverly, good morning. caller: good morning. it is good to speak with you. i am not going to waste all of my time trying to defend the stability that i -- the stupidity that i am listening to. if people do not want to watch more than one news channel, please, people, get off of cnn and msnbc and try to figure it out for yourself. just a few things that president trump has done, and he is just doing an a credible job. try, sod the right to that people with cancer and other diseases can pass federal qualifications so they can try these medicines, so that they

can get better, and some of them are. he passed the johnson amendment, so it secured pastors' rights. he wants to do away with what the democrats call late-term abortion. 25 million, that is what my research shows, illegal immigrants that are in the united states, how are we going to support that? and then the dems don't want to help with the border? abortionthe late-term is like, for me, i cannot believe that there were actually inocratic people, uh, authority, governors and things, wanting nine months -- abortions up to nine months. and as far as the kurds are concerned, you know, they asked us to be there. it was supposed. to be a 60-day affair. . s two factions of kurds

all turkey, an wants is a safe zone should also, president trump is bringing remains from our soldiers that were in korea. i mean, he is getting so much done. i can't -- host: president trump actually just tweeted again about turkey, and i want our viewers to see what president trump is tweeting. -- is his tweet host: so things are moving right now inside the white house on the situation with syria and turkey, so we will keep our eye on that as we conclude the show here. let's go to matthew, who is calling from seminole, florida. matthew is an evangelical. matthew, good morning. caller: good morning.

i have been enjoying the show today, and the last woman who called, i liked a lot what she had to say, but the main thing that i want to talk about right sensee just the facts, trump has president trump, which a lot of people do not call him, they call him "mr. trump," and they need to seriously call him "president trump," has, since more for this country than almost any president combined, all of them, and should be praised for that. i would have been a lot more angry than he was. basically, he has been holding his own, doing this, constantly getting attacked, and still accomplishing more, and no none of the do-nothing

democrats are helping at all. the attacks on him should stop. i think the lady on before sat there and said "you want to support a president who was to dig a moat around here and put alligators in it?" first of all, that was never proposed. that was kind of in a way just talking, joking, how do you get things done, if you cannot put up a wall or anything like that. it was funny, but it was never serious. stop putting words in his mouth and saying that every accusation is true. none of this stuff has been proven yet, all right? and the stuff that has been proven shows that the democrats and their attacks have been lives. host: let's go to rachel, who is calling from forney, texas on the independent line. rachael, good morning. caller: good morning. he did not make the johnson act. that has been in there since johnson. he tried to change the johnson

act. "cindyon't you google yang," she is a fundraiser for trump. own massage to parlors where young girls were trafficked for sex, and that is one of the places that kraft, the owner of the patriots, was arrested for having sex. she has run her business out of mar-a-lago. she has also been invited to the white house. she is running money for trump for his reelection. she is raising money for his reelection. why has no one talked about this? are you still there? host: yes, go ahead. caller: i just wondered why hasn't anyone brought her up. she is good friends with epstein, and he has done the same thing, and this is going on at his golf club. i mean -- host: let's go to amy, who is

calling from georgia, on the democratic line. amy, good morning. caller: good morning. to answer your question, evangelicals should continue their support for trump, because, like trump, evangelicals have always been lacking in for the and compassion for those who are not ignorant, willfully hypocrites. this guy has been married three times. they are ok with that. evangelicals have always been intellectually and morally dishonest in a pathological way. they are cruel for sport. should continue support for him, because they are just like him. host: let's go to jane, who is common from orlando, west virginia on the democratic line. jane, good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. number one, how could anybody who says they are a christian

support somebody that has sold over 14,000 lives that has been proven by fat checkers? -- fax checkers? two, he has committed adultery on his wife's, and i consider him committing adultery on our country now get a so you all continue supporting him, and all of you will end up in hell with him. thank you. host: let's go to gregory, who is calling from pennsylvania. gregory, good morning. did i pronounce the name of your town correctly? caller: yes, that is correct. host: go ahead. caller: i think president trump's strategy is brilliant. what he is actually doing is vilifying and victimizing the congress. they -- and the bidens are the head of the snake. and bringing the troops back from syria is an excellent move,

because we do not have to engage in combat with a nato ally. what is going to happen when it comes to a vote in the congress is these very enemies are going to raise their hand. a's onve trump straight his strategy. thanks again for accepting my call. , who ist's talk to mark calling from oxen hill, maryland, on the independent line. marked, good morning. caller: good morning. good morning. when it comes to your question, i mean, obviously evangelicals should not support him, because andanat the tithetical to everything they are. when it comes to this whole kurdish question, it is ridiculous, because these were

our allies. without these men and women, we would not have defeated isis. isis. we would not have defeated isis. just to respond to the other people, we would not be fighting turkey, because there is no way turkey would have attacked these people if we would not have agreed to back up. i we need to, you know, struggle when i think about how to talk to all of my republican fellow citizens, because a lot of them seem to read conspiracy theories. that you would google properly and look at your sources, because when i have arguments with you guys, we cannot even talk on the same playing field. we would like to thank all guests and callers today on "washington journal."

we want to talk about the new it poll with -- ipsos reid wilson, then we will talk on the originnnon of the house impeachment agree, then we will have mark sanford to talk about his candidacy against president trump for the republican nomination. so stick with us. we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. for another "washington journal." everyone, have a great sunday. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, >> here on c-span this morning, "newsmakers" is next with democratic national committee chair tom perez talking about the 2020 presidential campaign.

that's followed by canadian party leaders meeting for their only english language debate ahead of this month's federal election. and the supreme court begins a few term by hearing oral arguments on cases concerning lbgtq employment discrimination. announcer: joining us on "newsmakers" is the chair of the democratic national committee, tom perez and joining us with the questioning from washington post and politico. >> i want to begin with the dnc rose for the debate peered we sat down with john delaney one of the candidates and he is one of a number of candidates who said we understand why dnc put in place these debate roles but still feel it is unfair that the dnc and not voters are deciding who is in or out of this race. >> we have given unprecedented access to candidates. it is hard. our first set of rules were put in p