eastern, remarks by samantha powers, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations. followed by a townhall meeting with -- on legislation dealing with poverty and benefits. on c-span 2 at 9:00 a.m., general david berger, the commandant of the u.s. marine corps discusses military priorities for the indo pacific region. and on c-span 3, former federal reserve chair janet yellen and ben bernanke discuss the impact of inflation on monetary policy. .hat is at 9:45 a.m. eastern morning onhis "washington journal," at 8:00 political reporter tom lobianco talks about his biography on vice president mike pence. at the biography of vice president mike pence and then

mark sanford discusses his 2020 primary challenge to president trump. we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: the congressional point person on the impeachment of president is california representative adam schiff, the chair of the house intelligence committee, which is leading the inquiry. house republican leadership has stepped up criticism of congressman schiff, some calling for his resignation. it is "washington journal" for thursday, october 3, 2019. we are going to ask how confident are you in congressman schiff's ability to lead the impeachment inquiry? .epublicans, 202-748-8001

democrats, 202-748-8000. independents and all others, 202-748-8002. you can text us your thoughts. that is 202-748-8003. tell us your name and where you are texting from and on twitter, we are @cspanwj. you can post your thoughts at facebook.com/cspan. congressman adam schiff has been in congress for 10 terms. he is a california congressman serving the 28th district, which is in the los angeles area. he served as ranking member of the intelligence committee from 2019 and now chairman of the intelligence committee. a former federal prosecutor with the u.s. attorney's office in california, the los angeles area, and his law degree from harvard. we are asking about your confidence in his ability to lead that impeachment inquiry.

part of the criticism was ramped up yesterday after a new york times story was published with the headline here and why -- here, nytimes.com. the democratic head of the house intelligence committee learned about the outlines of a cia officer's concerns that president trump abused his power days before the officer filed a whistleblower complaint. according to a spokesman and current former american officials, the early account by the whistleblower shows how determined he was to make known trump asked of the ukrainian government to interfere. what the trump administration initially locked lawmakers. the cia officer approached the house intelligence committee aid with concerns about mr. trump

only after the colleague first conveyed them to the cia's top lawyer concerned about the avenue for unveiling -- e.proached the house aid the house staff member suggested the officer find a lawyer to advise him and meet with an inspector general with whom he could file a whistleblower complaint. was --e shared what of times. from the new york congressman schiff held a news conference yesterday along with nancy pelosi and talked about some of the things the committee will be looking into. [video clip] >> we only know some of the facts at this point. the call record seems to be pretty in disputed. the suspension of nila terry assistance is undisputed. the sequestration of this call

record and may be others into a file in which they were never supposed to be placed, a file that is for classified information of the highest order, covert action for example, those facts are not contested. all the facts around that, we need to flesh out. what was the state department upon role --the state department's role? what was the role of the attorney general? there was more we need to know. maybe when that comes out, it will persuade some of those republicans to recognize the gravity of the situation. i think we have to be realistic here, there seems to be no floor below which this president can drop, that some of the gop members and maybe even many of the gop members would not be willing to endorse, look away from, avoid comment on let alone

rise to condemn as incompatible with the duties of his office. host: you can find that briefing at c-span.org. how confident are you in adam schiff to lead the impeachment inquiry? 202-748-8001 for republicans. for democrats and for all others, that is -- republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. and all others, 202-748-8002. we go to ron in pennsylvania. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: thank you, c-span, for all that you do. i just have a statement and i think mr. schiff and the democrats -- not only democrats, but there are some republicans starting to understand the gravity.

onator grassley commented the whistleblower. i think if more republicans would come out and tell their supporters, -- he took a big risk because of his ties to russia. a lot of his financial andections were with moscow our intelligence people would have been derelict in their duty if they did not monitor closely and see. it is a waste of time and the sooner more people in the gop come forward and explain to them president was under investigation before his campaign and after his campaign, the american people would benefit. host: we will go to the republican line and hear from myron in dallas, texas. caller: good morning, c-span. -- we know he is

.eeply in the deep state donald trump set a trap for him and he took the bait and ran. the sooner people wake up and see what is going on, how you are saving america from being , the the new world order better we are. host: here is bill in sebastian, florida. caller: good morning. i believe adam schiff is well-qualified. i believe they should get recordings of kris kobach and i believemp because

17 million votes were suppressed or cross checked during this election -- host: you mean during the last presidential election or 2018? caller: approximately 17 million. you had 400,000 in the last election in georgia where kemp stole the election from stacey abrams. i believe this is critical to democracy in this country. host: jim tweets until adam schiff comes forth with bombshell evidence of russian collusion he bragged about for 2.5 years, he is not to be believed. bill in new jersey, i have confidence in adam schiff to run the impeachment inquiry and republicans may not like it, but so be it. bill king tweets i have full confidence in adam schiff. this is a tweet from park who says this is our national

emergency, "total embarrassment." front page of the wall street journal impeachment tensions for as house panels pressed records. the story inside the wall street journal is from -- hughes. democrats brawl over inquiry. the house committee is leading an impeachment inquiry for president trump and said they plan to issue a subpoena to force the right house -- white --se to caller: i have 100% evidence in .dam schiff

on presidentgment trump saying this was presidential harassment. they had his emails with president obama back to 2011. they told him, suck it up, mr. president. host: you said that was on cbc's "the national?"

caller: yes, sir. host: republican line, this is virginia. seeing him with nancy -- caller: seeing him with nancy pelosi, i know they are colluding with our president. i think trump is doing a great job protecting our country and the taxpayers who are paying the salaries of the corrupt .ongressman host: henderson, nevada,

independent line, annette. .o ahead fromr: i am looking at it not liking democrats or republicans very much. is disgusting what is happening. adam schiff is corrupt himself. he really does need to be investigated. it is a shame what is happening, a shame what is happening to our country. i hope people elect more independents, get rid of them all. host: inside the washington times and on washingtontimes.com , mccarthy joins house gop effort to censor schiff over

phone call parody. this has been brought up several times regarding the opening statements with the acting a week or so ago. some of the reaction from --sident trump, [video clip] >> has a friend to the president most powerful country on earth, get more military help. what happened on that call? by ingratiating himself and tries to enlist the support of the president. he expresses interest of meeting with the president and says his country wants to inquire --

acquire more weapons and what is 's response?t sure of its rambling character and not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates. we have been very good to your country, very good. no other country has done as much as we have, but i don't see much reciprocity here. i know what you want, i have a will i want for you and i say this only 7 times, so listen good. i want you to make up political good -- dirt on my opponent. i am going to put you in touch with people, not just any people, i will put you in touch with my attorney general, bill barr. ight of thewhole we

american law enforcement behind him and i will put you in touch with rudy, you will love him. schiff.at is adam he admitted that was part parody . the president has criticized that numerous times. [video clip] >> do you consider anyone who opposes you treasonous? >> i consider when they live, when they stand before our great body in our great chamber and they make up a story that is fiction like schiff did. he took that perfect conversation with the ukrainian president and made it into a total lie, it was a total fabrication. he did admit that. this is a total fabrication and the only ones that don't like my conversation are the ones that never read it. that is what i call a lie and because of the fact that he is

lying about the president of the united states. believe it or not, i watch my words very carefully. there are those that think i am a very stable genius. i watch my words very closely up andhave somebody get totally fabricate a conversation i had with another leader and make it sound so bad, it was so evil. those opening comments drew the attention of the writers of his hometown newspaper. adam schiff's riff on president trump's phone call was more truth than parody. kevin mccarthy from bakersfield tweeting this yesterday. chairman adam schiff says the minority leader has been lying to the american people for years. he literally made up a false version of a phone call.

enough is enough redye have signed a resolution to censure schiff. calls on youryour confidence in adam schiff to lead the inquiry. scottsdale, are you on the air? caller: yes. adam schiff to stand up there and lie like that, or give parody. congressthe floor of doing this and it reminds me of something that we saw harry reid do when he stood up and criticized somebody that i am of personally. he made up lies about mitt romney. caughthiff has been talking to people posing as russian agents.

adam schiff, what happened, do you remember russian agents? host: we will go to new york. welcome. caller: how are you doing. i have been enjoying the show. i have been enjoying politics years.some

he is on tape trying to solicit dirt from mr. trump from someone he thought was a russian informant, a russian agent. absolutely incredible and the fact mr. schiff and his office appeared to have met with this so-called whistleblower and may have assisted in the drafting of the complaint is ridiculous. the damage being done to our country by -- i hate to say, these rather aggressive and unpatriotic democrats in congress to achieve power is so damaging to our intelligence agencies with the ability to conduct foreign affairs.

no one will want to talk to our future president because a whistleblower will follow up -- file a complaint. as an attorney and someone who respects politics, i could not vote for hillary clinton and her corrupt team. they. trump runs again and have someone like elizabeth warren or even joe biden, who believe in the idea that it is ok to use my tax money to kill

an unborn child even up to the ninth month of pregnancy and other things -- mr. trump is not perfect, but the job he has been doing even in the face of all of this incredible attacks for rip and our economy is roaring. we are doing great that way. there may be a downturn that may not help as the election comes along. overall, i would rather have him appointing our federal judges then elizabeth warren or joe biden. host: you said back in the 1970's you came to d.c. did you get into watch the watergate hearing? caller: yeah, they let people come in for a certain amount of time and then you had to leave. the capital was much more open in those days. you could walk right in the building, but things have .hanged over time

my younger days, i am a high .chool teacher, social studies host: viewers will get extensive coverage on news networks, broadcast networks, tbs. live hearings have a long history beginning in 1951 with several hearings on gambling held by a tennessee senator followed by the army-mccarthy hearings which aired live on abc for 36 days in 1954.

both hearings were very popular with viewers. you can hear more about that at forbes.com. let's hear from tom in ohio on the democrats line. caller: yes. i have got the world of faith in adam schiff to handle the impeachment. i would sure hate to see moscow mitch or the other guy from california, mccarthy. that mccarthy name should ring a bell. anybody back in the 40's and 50's, it is a shame that our government, we have a guy that goes in there, i am going to drain the swamp. he has flooded it, so he is a swamp rat. in jail.ave cohen giuliani says he knows all about the mafia. then you have rudy, the sewer

rat. host: sharon on the republican line in warrior, alabama. good morning. downn, make sure you turn your television. mute your set and go ahead with your comment. you mute yourure television otherwise you are going to feedback and confuse all of us. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have been an over the road .perator for a long time even as far back as clinton's administration, that is horrible. i am not sure anybody understood

what this was. we have to follow rules -- that sort of thing. we have people from outside our country that should not even be authorized to drive a truck. i have seen the democratic party bananas. there is something i would like to say because i have -- to ask because i haven't heard you say and i haven't heard it on many of the news networks when it

comes to biden and the ukraine energy. host: yeah. caller: they are saying hunter biden and john kerry -- they just keep running that over and over again like a broken record. -- nephew was on that board. no one seems to be asking the question how did he get there? whitey bulger himself and that woman. host: haven't heard that, sharon. haven't heard about whitey bulger's nephew on that board. georgia, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. that is just an example of what trump and many people do.

they try to throw this whole issue off in so many different directions instead of sticking with the real issues of what is happening here, talking about deep state and all that kind of thing. someone said trump is doing a great job, he is doing a great job pulling the wool over people's eyes with the comments here. the issue is clear and concise. adam schiff, he did preface by what he said by saying it is just a compilation. he did not say he was quoting. the memo released by trump himself tells us exactly the same thing that was written in the report. it doesn't matter if someone spoke to adam schiff's aide to get help to know what to do.

the issue is clear, we don't need to be talking about deep states and all these other -- he has beenre .oing with our country he tries to avoid the laws of .ur country he hasn't allowed people to talk who were called to testify. they say, i cannot answer that question. will we will tell you who testify today. there is a testimony set for today. these are not public hearings just yet. front page of -- president trump

a series of tweets on televised performances. profane and personal attacks punctuated the day as it became clear the democratic leaders are moving quickly with their investigation in a front-page photo -- their investigation. the front page photo shares some of the emotion of president trump in their meeting with the finnish president in the oval office. [video clip] >> we don't call him shifty schiff for nothing. guy, a shifty, dishonest who was critical of one of the ofat graduate -- secretaries state. graduated one of the top of his class at harvard law school, the most honorable person, mike pompeo. this guy was negative on mike

pompeo. there is an expression, he could not carry his -- strap. you understand that? you deal with bad people. i watched china over the last few days and i watched other countries build up and we built up more than any of them because of me. no help due to democrats. they are the do-nothing democrats. all they want to do is win the election in 2020, so they come up with this impeachment nonsense. host: president trump, the oval office visit yesterday with thefinish president. president. finnish ukraine controversy continues as new documents show a former ukrainian prosecutor said he was forced to back off looking at a firm tied to hunter biden and

the president adding does anyone other than fake news protectors have a doubt? your confidence in adam schiff to lead the impeachment inquiry. republicans.for democrats, call 202-748-8000. independents and all others, 202-748-8002. we welcome your comments by text as well, 202-748-8003. be sure to include your name and where you are texting from. elaine from indiana saying representative schiff was so busy grandstanding he turned this investigation into the adam schiff show, this season's number one comedy. andrew in hawaii, mr. trump loves to dish it out, but is too soft skinned to take it himself. arodies everyone

he doesn't like, including disabled journalists. he is attacking the accuser, acting guilty, let the facts come out. let's hear from sandra in massachusetts. caller: good morning. confidence inny the democrats or schiff. watching the hearing the other day -- it is funny because the to anybody who is in there and think they are part when forhiding stuff two years, we had to listen to collusion. written and plus, it is not -- the whistleblower

is the original question. there is a lot of questions i .ave who we have to pick from of the democrats, the president, i truly believe trump is going to pull it out despite having all these issues being brought up. trump ondon't see foreign affairs really trying to bribe anybody, but you see that the ukraineen, with and him firing that attorney. then we heard him on tv with obama with russia. if they are trying to compare that to what trump did, there is nothing there. i hope people wake up and see democrats are playing a sick game on all of us. host: here is reporting this

morning from breitbart. adam schiff hits concerns from republicans on intelligence committee. notressman schiff did notify republicans on the committee of an intelligence official who came to one of his aides with concerns about president trump before filing an official whistleblower complaint according to the top republican on the committee, devin nunes. in texas, good morning on the republican line. mute yourse television and go ahead with your comment. caller: i have something i need you to listen to that i heard on facebook yesterday. if you could give me a moment to get this ready for you, i would like to know your comments on it because it was done from c-span. let it play. could you give me one minute because everybody in america

wants to hear this. host: before you play this, what was it? caller: it was a deal with nancy pelosi explaining how things work in the democratic party. host: i would love to let you play it -- go ahead and play it. caller: -- >> you smear somebody and then you merchandise and then you write it and say it is reported in the press this, this, this. host: let's come back to us. tell us your point on this and especially in relation to our question this morning. caller: it is smear just like nancy pelosi said. she gets it out to the left-wing

media and it is all about smear and then they blame it on somebody when it is put out on the media. host: let's go to our democrats line. sean, good morning. caller: good morning. appreciate you taking the call. with regards to adam schiff, i think from what i have seen so far, the biggest difficulty he is going to have is trying to balance an attempt at having a serious impeachment hearing and taking that seriously and this other aspect of the spectacle of needing to put on the show -- the camera is constantly on. if the investigation goes forward of having constant cameras on and having it turn into ridiculousness. i think that is going to be the hardest task to balance the two.

if you go out and tweet questions, that is what people do. i was reading through some of the nixon transcripts out of curiosity and that is essentially what he tells holderman and dean. people start looking everywhere ise because the intensity too much. i recommend schiff go through transcripts. i think that is difficult in the contemporary kind of media camera age and trying to actually act like you are taking something seriously and i think that would be tough for him. host: here is what the committee is up to in the coming week today. the reporting in the washington, two key witness testimonies

likely to give lawmakers new probe ideas. they could give democrats and republicans more fodder for investigations. the former u.s. special envoy to ukraine who resigned his post last week is set to appear thursday. reichel atkinson, the intelligence committee inspector general will face questions on friday. both hearings are expected to shed light on president trump's dealings with ukraine. lawmakers have heavily scrutinized a july 25 phone call between president trump and his counterpart, zelinsky. -- resigned after he was named in the whistleblower complaint. rudolph giuliani told reporters tot week he was encouraged

speak to ukrainian officials regarding mr. biden and his son, hunter. mr. adkinson is the inspector general who determine the whistleblower complaint was an urgent concern and appears credible. robert is in virginia on the independent line. caller: i hope you give me as much time as you did some others . quotingall these people the bible just like trump. you are not supposed to follow a person -- is the swamp. i don't want my children to

emulate a president like this that lies all the time. i am an independent. we are definitely losing right now and every time they call democrats socialist, they are racist. thank you for taking my call. host: wanted to get back to a caller from texas who had played audio allegedly from facebook reportedly of -- it sounded like speaker pelosi. some background on that at factcheck. on taking pelosi out of context, hownancy pelosi describe democrats used a tactic called the wrap up smear? she was describing a tactic she anticipated republicans would use against her in 2018. her remarks were taken out of context in a viral video. you can read the full reporting on that at factcheck.org. robert in new york, good

morning. caller: yes, hi. how are you doing? thanks for taking my call. host: you are on the air, go ahead. caller: i don't think adam schiff is being very fair, that is my opinion. what kills me is the fake news. what democrats are doing to impeach trump anyway they can thenow the fake news is united states of america because they are not letting the president do their job. it is unfair to the american people. kids are like high school fighting and people are tired of that, that they need to have a change in congress and the white house to make our job better for the people. they are not thinking about the people. they are thinking about getting rid of trump and we are tired of

it. host: thanks, robert. one of the lone holdouts on the democratic side was max rose, congressman from staten island. tweeted thisn post last night, max rose endorses impeachment inquiry at his town hall in staten island. while the president might be willing to violate the constitution to get reelected, i will not. i tend to fully support this impeachment inquiry and follow the facts. in oregon, we hear from rose on our democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i am very interested in this iole topic simply because believe that the president has been undermining our government 1. our constitution from day

i am frustrated that so many people want to support someone disrespectful, acts ignorant, embarrassed us on the world stage many times by his behavior, but i do support congress in this issue simply because we need to have the balance of checks in each branch howpeople not supporting the constitution and how america works is ignorant. we need to have a checks and balance on this president and on the gop. thank you. int: this is steve charleston, south carolina. caller: good morning. i want to stay on topic, but i have to follow up on something you said about max rose. i am in the first congressional

district in south carolina. joe cunningham is the president who put the first congressional seat, mark sanford held that before and he was beat by kitty arrington in large part because he was not a trump supporter. joe cunningham got elected because he gained support of coastal communities because of his objection to offshore drilling. a lot of republicans came out in favor of joe. he is up for election -- reelection in 2020 and he is waffling on the subject. it is self-serving politics. he wants to make sure he does not anger his republican friends . let's move forward to the topic. i am independent -- i am really not. i support the constitution party, but there is not a line to call in on that. host: that is fine. caller: here is the problem. confidence in anybody.

i am lacking confidence for anybody on either side of the aisle because i don't think anybody in today's political environment can investigate anybody on either side of the aisle without passion and prejudice. that is another reason trump got elected. i have watched every day the watergate hearings and people seem to want to get at the truth. with was a comment made regard to daniel in a weight -- daniel i will not repeat. it was a slur. politics have changed since then and those people do not have the capacity to investigate someone on the others without passion and prejudice. it is a sad state we are in. host: similar sentiments in this piece by the associated press, gop veterans urge caution on trump. some have regrets of you can't

talk about it. others would do it over again. republicans who carried out bill clinton's impeachment are unanimous urging caution and restraint as congress embarks on another impeachment struggle over accusations president trump pressured ukrainian president zelensky to investigate joe biden and his son and they talk about bill mccollum of florida. you have got to race to judgment. people have apparently already made up their mind and i don't think there is a lot of openness about this and i think there should be. patty on ourtts, democrats line. good morning. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. hello? host: go ahead, you are on the air. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. i think adam schiff will do as well as he can. i think he made a mistake making

out of a statement. the statement itself, most of the american public are smart enough to read it and understand .here is an implied threat the fact he called trump a mobster, i thought that was kind of ironic in that trump from the beginning of his presidency has labeled people weather it was a -- whether it was a person running in the republican presidential race or going on, he has made fun of women, handicapped -- he complains saying anything about pompeo and yet look what he did to mccain and the goldstar family. it is ironic he is complaining about people lying when he has so many lies he has laid down beginning with even the whole thing about obama.

all those things saying he wasn't born here and wasn't a citizen and going up to the front of and in election, he lies continually. i understand half my family are republican and i understand they have concerns. they live in the midwest and the south and want to see the economy improve and it started to improve under obama, but not fast enough. i don't understand how they can aid nor the type of character he toand what he has brought our country. i hope the impeachment goes forward. i doubt it will win with the republican party feeling like they will support him forever abortionet guns and no . i feel bad and sad about that you would divide the country

over those issues particularly people in those parties face --ve to all the nice things -- they have opposed him because from the beginning, thus host: we will hear next from raul in puerto rico. cnn andfirst of all, msnbc is the only thing we get here free of charge. the only other access we have is your station. what i want to say very quickly is very quickly watching all of this, adam schiff proved

positively the president colluded with russia and in the end, it was not anything there. it wasn't anything as republicans put out, but investigated by the democrats. they want to get the president .ut kudos for him, too bad for schiff. host: how is the president viewed in your part of puerto rico? caller: a lot of people only have one point of view and that is msnbc and cnn. if you are a republican like anywhere else in the united states, you have to watch what you say because people get upset. host: the name of your town is carolina? caller: yes.

host: thank you so much for calling. u.s. tariffs on e.u. goods would include cheese, wine, and aircraft. the trump administration plans to impose tariffs on $7.5 -- to retaliate against aviationubsidies for giant airbus and the president tweeting about that this morning tweeting the u.s. won a $7.5 billion award from the word trade -- world trade organization which has treated -- this case going on for years, a nice victory. ray in pennsylvania on the independent line. caller: hi. host: hey, there. caller: i would like to say schiff is doing a good job and i am sure he will get him impeached.

i am tired of hearing republicans, the trumpers, and donald trump say he cannot get any work done. what are the democrats doing to stop trump? do they tie him down to his bed until 11:00 in the morning and make him tweet while he is on the toilet? i can't understand how they are stopping him. bill clinton got laws passed while he was being impeached. it makes me nuts to hear these people make excuses up and blame it on democrats when they know it is not their fault. host: democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to say i think adam schiff is a good choice for .his inquiry he is modulated, he speaks well. i have complete confidence in him as far as trump is concerned

eers.rumpet for the last year or so, if not longer, they have been saying impeached him because this is going to be good for us. go ahead, impeach trump because of this is going to be good for us. now they are having a fit. trump is having a meltdown. he just -- the man is just horrible. host: we read a story yesterday according to usa today, the president tweeted a record number of times in the month of september. a lot of those in relation to the impeachment inquiry. the president tweeting last night democrats want to steal the election. he also tweeted last week accusing the whistleblower of being a political hack. adam schiff asked the acting director of national

intelligence joseph maguire about that. [video clip] >> you don't believe the whistleblower is a political hack, do you, director? >> i believe the whistleblower is operating in good faith. >> they could not be in good faith if they were acting as a political hack, could they? >> my job is to support and lead to support and lead the entire intelligence community. that individual works for me. it is my job to make sure we support and defend that person. toyou don't have any loyalty -- >> i believe the whistleblower followed steps every step of the way. the statute was one in this situation involving the president of the united states not in the intelligence community and matters under my supervision did not meet the criteria for concern. i think the whistleblower did the right thing.

i think he followed the law way. step of the >> when the president called the whistleblower a political hack, why did you remain silent? >> i did not remain silent. i issued a statement to my workforce telling my commitment to the whistleblower protection and ensuring i would provide protection to anyone within the intelligence community who comes forward. i did not think it was appropriate for me to be making a press statement so that we counter each other every step of the way. >> i think it was not only appropriate, but there is nothing that would have given more confidence to the workforce then hearing you publicly say no one should be calling this professional who did the right or a traitor or anything else. host: five more minutes for your phone calls. tom in ohio, good morning.

caller: thanks for taking my call. a lot of interesting opinions. i will try to get the american people to wake up to what this man did. he lied to millions of americans on television when he altered the words in the released transcript. treason.n act of he is a pathological liar and i consider him a criminal. to jesus,ill lie himself. he needs to be censured and removed from congress. if we don't now, do it in 2020 when they take congress back and this whole investigation is a smokescreen to protect joe biden and barack obama himself, a former junior senator and chicago politician and don't you ever think adam schiff was not

with -- he was probably on the phone while he was talking to this whistleblower. host: on text, 202-748-8003 is how you do that. tell us where you are texting from and your name. democrats violated their oath of office by entering office with reservations against this president and been trying to take him down since they announced his run for office. askedick on twitter, when what he wanted from the you can president, president trump went serk, but did-- ber not answer the question. michigan, good morning to duane on the democrats line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i have to laugh these republicans -- republican conservatives talk about like schiff not telling the truth

when you are talking about the lyingest president ever. do you know how to tell he is lying? his lips are moving. he has never told the truth. he has been a liar his whole life and a safe. -- and a thief. host: this is williams in north carolina. caller: hello, sir. can you hear me? host: we sure can, go ahead. independent,an first-time voter. i won't say who i voted for, but i would like to stay on topic about adam schiff and his trustworthiness. can you fact check weather the whistleblower checked the box that said -- i have been told he checked the box that said i have first-hand knowledge. i am hearing different stories on that whether the whistleblower truly had first-hand knowledge or he

checked the form on the box. i am curious about when the rules were changed about the whistleblower not needing first-hand knowledge and i am really getting a lot of confusing information coming from everyone. i truly did not like the way adam schiff started with a parody. host: we talked about that in yesterday's program. you can find that on our c-span. harrisburg, pennsylvania, democrats line. barb, go ahead. comments., two i am retired and i have been i -- adamadam ssch schiff for months. i have nothing but confidence in everything he does, including this last whistleblower thing. my second comment is sometimes i think c-span does more harm than good and this is specifically in

regard to the guy from puerto rico just saying blatantly there is nothing there. he believes trump did nothing wrong, he has to keep that opinion to himself. pushback inco all they getthere the rules that brian lamb has established for washington journal. host: what would you have me say to him? he said that that is all he gets. caller: he believes it. he believes that there is nothing there in the mueller report or anything that is going on. that the democrats are just doing harm. i think you always need to have bodies on each side that can refute some of the stuff. there is so much in the mueller report. and yet, people come in and say

there was nothing there. host: i appreciate you calling in. it is callers like you that refute what they have to say because it is impossible for me to fact check everything that people say. thanks so much for calling in. next up, we will take a look at a brand-new book that looks at mike pence's political and religious convictions. pence andpower, mike the taking of the white house. mark sanfordfrom about his latest effort, challenging president trump in 2020. ♪ >> saturday night on book tv at

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highlighting this threat. they issued a report with a stunning title, include -- called china's economic aggression. with the a fight bureaucrats saying we cannot say economic aggression. when you read the report, you understand why. >> watch book tv, every weekend on c-span2. washington journal continues. host: we are joined by tom , he covered mike pence in the statehouse at indiana. for the associated press, fort cnn and the indianapolis -- cnn and the indianapolis star. what made you write a profile for the vice president? guest: i was standing outside the u.s. senate chamber right after the 2016 election, doing

what we always do, shacking quotes firm senators, -- from senators, tracking them down before they run to the subway. i was looking at the marble bus. out of all the vice president, because they are the presiding officers of the chamber, i was like mike pence is in history. marbleill be a chiseled bust of mike pence here. i have to go deep on this guy. i never understood him when i was covering him day-to-day. talking to other reporters, they said the same thing. i had to pull back, try to go deep and understand his faith in a real way. outside of the politics. and, that is why i did it. host: when did you start covering him? guest: 2011. host: he was governor? guest: he was running for governor. host: on the religious belief,

you talk about that. it is named piety and power. you write that the answer to the question, which style of christianity and how that influences his policy is not as clean-cut as either progressives or conservatives would present. there are clues for his personal and political life. why --s everything to do with what he stands so firmly beside donald trump. that is the piety part of this book. have his religious beliefs evolved over the years? guest: yes. this is something i noticed when i was talking with evangelical ministers, practitioners. he will talk -- he has talked about this occasionally, in 1978 is when he had the salvation experience. he was a freshman in college. what i found out in the research is that he does not lead the catholic church until 1994. that is when he starts going

regularly to the greenwood community church. baptisthe southern style. it is not like that. they don't get into that style. it is a long conversion. to the viewers here, check out -- i write about this in the book. this is really fascinating. he writes a senior thesis at hanover college in 1980. host: this is not a seminary. guest: is a presbyterian college. 1980, he votes for the evangelical in the race. jimmy carter. one month later, he submits a thesis to his professor. the religious expressions of abraham lincoln. it is already seven pages of great research on lincoln.

lincoln isbout how struggling with his practice of faith and his feelings on organized religion and his own ambivalence and what it means for lincoln's political career going forward. and, when i read that, i get tingles right now thinking about it. trying tollege senior figure out where he is in the inld and where he is politics. the thesis is him struggling public service and politics. it is incredible. host: tom lobianco is our guest. we are talking about piety and power. mike pence and the taking of the white house. we welcome your comments and calls. republicans, (202) 748-8002. .emocrats, (202) 748-8000 .ndependents, (202) 748-8002

one of the themes as he relies on his wife, karen, for influence and support. and for helping him decide things. how did that evolve? guest: they meet in 1983. at a church in indianapolis, directly across the street from the governor's mansion. this is where karen grew up. they meet in the catholic church for they get married in the catholic church in 1985. 1986, he graduates from law school. teacher. elementary eventually becomes an art teacher. this is when you see a change in mike pence. this is when he becomes concerted about being active in politics. he joins for the indianapolis republican party. a is a footsoldier, basic organizer. he comes in on the political ground floor.

when penn starts getting active jointitics, it is a career. they make decisions together. this is not terribly surprising. a lot of people's relationships are like this. herntimes, i should take into account. [laughter] i get it. tos goes to, once we get this level, to vp and president, this level of politics, i felt this way as a reporter too. we get so cynical that we don't believe what we are seeing. the marriage is real. questionlways get this from democrats and other reporters sometimes, their marriage can't possibly be real. he refers to her as mother. it is real. it absolutely is real. but so is the ambition. so is the focus on that

long-term path. that long-term trajectory. they do not believe they were predestined for the white house. but, here they are. they are going for it. these are joint decisions they are making together. host: one interesting insight is rose the roof.e and that faux antique red phone is more powerful than anyone knows. this has been of feature during his governorship in indiana. that phone has one person on the other end. that is karen pence, right? moved toen they washington in 2000-2001, after he wins. the old congressman, republican, meets with him. is a freshman. he says mike, take some time for your family. you should have a line directly for your family. this,like some of us do

you should do that. christmas of 2001, karen bought -- an antique red food phone. cherry-red. they run a line through there. it is old-school. her and the kids. their three children of the open woods -- only ones with the phone number. governor and she was stationed at her office across the hall in the state house, she would make phone calls throughout the day to coordinate how they were handling. is new to the book. i had some in clint's of this -- inklings of this. that is how she works. that is that joint political career and power. did either mike pence or karen prince, were you able to

interview either of them for the book? guest: no. they will not talk for profiles. they, there are a couple of answers. asber one, they don't see it their role to highlight themselves. servanta public attitude that they talk about. the second layer of that is that , there are other books written about him and main profiles written about him. this is the official vp office policy. the other answer on this is that could be removed from the ticket in 2020. that is not locked in. trump says he is on there. everyone says that in public. we also know about what happens with trump's advisers that get too much spotlight. host: plenty of phone calls. what is his relationship like

with donald trump? guest: warm but a little aloof. he is not close with donald trump. i read about this in the book and it is still true. stephen, he is an insurance magnet and they got close in the 90's. hilbert is responsible for donald trump's orange tan. he's the owner of australian gold. trump is using australian gold products. hilbert is the one who is close. donaldects pence with trump in june of 2016. they don't have a real relationship before that. it has been tepid ever since then. pence is absolutely loyal to donald trump, based on everything i know and have seen. you are never entirely sure if it runs the other way. if trump is completely loyal to him.

we have calls. millsl go to carol in river, north carolina on the republican line. caller: you are talking about mind -- mike pence. how he is worried about the ukraine call and everything. cnn are talking about -- and somebody else getting in after trump. this whole thing is going to be like linton. if the senate -- clinton. if the senate does not impeach trump, he will not get impeached. that is what happened to bill clinton and that is what will happen here. i don't know why anybody is paying attention to this. it will always be something about trump and now pence. i think they should be left alone. more than two years of this is enough. thank you and have a great day. host: any thoughts? guest: yeah. i hear that a lot.

sources,ard that from certainly my republican sources that this is continued effort to delegitimize the election. you know, the other side is that there is incredible concerns over what happened with that ukraine call. , based on theknow credible washington post story included mike pence's top national security advisor. i think we are at the beginning of this thing. we have a lot to learn. we are 10 days into the official impeachment inquiry. host: president trump has gone through a lot of cabinet secretaries. what about the people that surround mike pence? are they long-term aids of his? guest: yes. absolutely. , wild,s an expansive chaotic universe. mike pence is tightly controlled. it is a very small circle.

the current chief of staff came on -- host: for vice president pence. guest: yes. he came on in 2009. in his career, you see a big change in trajectory from 2008 through 2009 when they start getting serious about running for the white house. that is the team that is still with him right now. those of the most important people. it very rarely changes. you don't see a lot of new entrances. host: let's hear from tom. caller: good. morning. i am no fan of vice president pence because i think he is an enabler. if he is that religious and takes the bible that literally, how can he not stand up to a man who is an admitted sex offender. we have that on the tape. hugh has lied -- who has lied repeatedly. if you look at the transcript of that tape, he is guilty of abuse

of power. the vice president clearly wants to be president so badly that he will stand there, mute and not say anything and not do anything republican first and aspires to the office way before he is an american. go into the let you story that tom lobianco brought up. this is the reporting of the washington post late yesterday. trump evolved -- involved pence in efforts to pressure the ukrainian president. tom lobianco. guest: yes. it is -- i think, and one thing i noticed is that the heicatures on both sides, is trying to push trump off the cliff? i don't see that happening. we have some historical evidence to back that up. in october of 2016, he had the opportunity to replace trump at the top of that ticket.

he did not take that attempt. was that after the billy bush incident? guest: yes. to the callers point of pence i try not toler, deal in absolutes because it is impossible to know. i try to point this out in the book. peopleone hand, you have who split with the christian rights and the broader politicized movement over that point. over trump coming in. you also have people in pence's orbit and his advisors and friends -- and here's the interesting thing -- two biblical allegories explain why mike pence is there. how can he stand next to donald trump? here is answer. trump'sis immanuel to .pic and as her never can a

trying to keep the broader populist sake. to the, he is joseph trump's faro. he is placed by god to keep everything on track. this tracks with the secular version of this, which you would hear from people occasionally about the adults in the room, in the white house. that is how they view it. does it mean that he agrees that people should cheat on their wives and pay money to born stars? no. but he is trying to do good. host: let's go to california. this is chris on the independent line. caller: yes. can bendering if pence orbit ofto trump's

lies and deceptions and cheating deceptions and cheating our government. host: do you think there is a line that vice president pence's character would say this is enough? guest: that is a great question. i got that question a couple of days ago. there has to be some line. we have not seen it yet. he is unflinchingly loyal to trump. we have not crossed that line. i don't entirely know what that would be. a chance tou get personally interview him? guest: yes. i wish he would talk with us about him personally. one of my favorite interviews with him was about russell kirk. it is one of his favorite philosophers. he loves many books. a would go on vacation with russell kirk book under his arm. is the founder of modern conservatism. academic.ore

a little denser. certainly a conservative mind. one of his favorite books is a tough read. you might want to go into it with cliff notes of that one. it is all encompassing. one of his old partners, craig, when they were at the think tank in the 90's, he made a point to me. he said russell kirk would write that way on purpose to make it hard to get through. because, if you really wanted information, you would have to crack through a lot of density. host: let's go to atlanta. lloyd is on the democrat line. caller: good morning. this personed by you have talking about pence and how it relates to what is going on currently. but, i will take it that pence is going to basically be in the same trap that donald trump is. he is involved in it. it is extortion, by their own words on their own telephone

call. there is no doubt about that. they will be impeached. compared to be clinton's impeachment about sex and how republicans were firm about that but don't care about extortion, i am not sure. tothe end of the day, i have shout out rich america. this is america. i get it. you want trump in the white house because he will continue to move money to their upper class. but, at what price? at what point, people don't know climate change is happening. kids, atetention of warspoint, with all the that will occur with the instability of north korea, at what point is there enough money that is not enough? i understand where the caller is. a lot of people feel that way.

i feel like, when i was covering the trump-russia investigation, that was a long investigation. there were many offshoots of it. it was hard to understand. this ukraine investigation, i am talking as a reporter, it feels like it is moving incredibly fast. it is a lot more concise. a lot clearer than where we were . will pins be removed with trump, will he be impeached with trump? take office? these are hypotheticals. we are still early in this, even though it is moving fast. nations, theted general meeting in the united nations, he mentioned the vice president in terms of mike pence's conversations with the ukrainian president. here is a look. pres. trump: impeachment for that? when you have a wonderful meeting or a phone conversation? the second conversation. i think you should ask him about the first conversation, also.

i heard that there is a rumor out there. it was beautiful. it was just a perfect conversation. i think you should do that. vicenk you should ask for president pence's conversation because he had a couple of conversations also. i can save you a lot of time. they were all perfect. host: what do you suppose president trump was trying to do in terms of appointing reporters to ask mike pence about that. ? guest: he was trying to wrap his arms around him and not let go. theinterpretation is that official pence white house version of this is that there is nothing to see here. if you don't look at his tapes, you will find the same thing. if we heard pence's tapes, that would be true. he is the opposite of donald trump in terms of how he communicates.

is based on myis interviews with sources, he is bear hugging mike pence right now and not letting go. there is some fear behind that. quite a bit of fear. host: here is k on the republican line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i am calling in response vice president pence. i believe he has had a positive influence on our president and the president family. it has all contributed, if you have noticed president trump has , more a little, um in-depth on what is going on. i believe he is true and honest in trying to fight for our country. to be under handedness that the democrats and other people are trying to

put out, really, it is not as grave and as people as they are making out. peopleve too that if want to fact check things, if you go to the christian bible, the facts, check that out. that will determine our future anyway. faith, our choices are going to be this. socialism, fascism, totalitarianism. remember what khrushchev said. we will bury you from within. host: what do you think of the caller's description of the influence of mike pence on president trump? guest: that is a great point. i have heard that periodically from his advisors and other republicans that his faith is rubbing off on donald trump. occasionally, i would hear that spontaneity has

been rubbing off on mike pence. [laughter] that is one argument for it. reason --rt of the that is a big argument for why mike pence is there. at the end of the 2016 election, this dynamic is still true there with 2020 in play. if would hear people say mike pence is there, i can make a vote for donald trump. he will keep him on track. he will pull him back to something acceptable to a certain group of voters. it worked, clearly. they are in the white house. oft would not have worked chris christie or newt gingrich were there. if you look, mike pence is every bit as busy on twitter as president trump is. guest: yeah. the funny thing is i am blanking on the exact many scale that was

a few weeks ago. there are so many of them. he adopted trump's tone and the response was interesting. you don't always see him do that. occasionally, he will take on all caps referring to pick this -- fake this. he loves to do that and you see it in his career. host: does he stay away from partisan attracts? -- attacks? guest: no. no. he does partisan a tax-free he has always done partisan attacks. previously, he was better about not being as avid about them. that was a hallmark of his political career. he would say i am conservative but i am not angry about it. that was something i think they worried about when they decided about whether or not to join trump. it is hard not to stand next to trump. , a sistereech coach

from the catholic school he went debate whereed the he accepts the nomination for vp at the convention. she said she loved and she was so proud of him. that it was the same guy and he was the same great speaker from grade school. she did not like when he started attacking hillary clinton. i think you get this discord in the person. lobianco is our guest. his book is piety and power, mike pence and the taking of the white house. (202) 748-8001 for those of you on the republican line. democrat line is (202) 748-8000. for independents and all others, (202) 748-8002. let's take a brief look at vice president pence's acceptance

speech at the gop convention in cleveland in 2016. >> i did some observing myself. [laughter] i have seen the way he deals with people who work for him at every level. i have seen the way they feel about working for him. now, i will grant you that he can be a little rough with politicians on the stage. i will bet we see that again. [cheers and applause] but, i have seen this good man up close. his utter lack of pretense. his respect for the people who work for him and his devotion to his family. host: lots more calls for tom lobianco. elise, from california, go ahead. caller: that is a laughable

comment to listen to with mike pence. he doesn't note donald trump at all. everything he just said was a lie. he is not kind to people. he is very rude to people. probably the rudest president we have ever had in the history of america. is a little too religious for me. right-wing lot of evangelicals who have been preaching every sunday that god sent donald trump to america and that is pretty scary stuff, fellas. that is pretty scary stuff. call.thanks for your tom lobianco, how does the religious committee view mike pence's position as vice president, especially on efforts in terms of curbing abortion? guest: let me step back for a second. this is something i tried to do

in the book to understand where he is. political reporters will talk about the christian right as one block. we, more generally, we'll talk about evangelical voters as one group. i wanted to understand for this group, the faith. not just the politics. there is quite a bit of blending of the two. evangelicals are not one monolithic block. i have started -- i was raised catholic. i did not go into this understanding what it means to be evangelical and have that experience. i did a bible study. i started going to bible study as part of the research for this to understand it. it is not about mike pence or donald trump or anything. it is just about getting a better sense of the bible and what some of these feelings are .he more i the more i research this, hence

in his personal faith and practice is not part of the jerry falwell world. he does not fall neatly into that world. their policies will line up an awful lot. that is not his style of practice. ,ased on everything i can tell based on what his friends told me and based on all of my research. host: let me give you a chance to respond from criticism you're getting from mike pence's daughter, charlotte. piece saying itc threatens to degrade people everywhere. rather than provide facts, and allow readers to draw their own political conclusions, he violates mr. penn's possible faith journey. this correlation dismisses the genuine importance of one's personal faith, and instead insists that personal gain is the main reason for holding

religious views at all. this creates a cultural conversation that undermines religious freedom and stunts the ability of religious people to feel comfortable expressing their beliefs. i would disagree with how she put it. i hope she gets to take a look at the book. i would love to talk with her. she is a religious student. she knows her father. she has written a book about lessons from her father that came out about a year ago. she has incredible insight here. --t she wrote not one ort it is the other, it is not politics or faith. it is both. he is a human. i tried to keep it focused on him. the book is about the talk and pull about the faith and ambition. , i talked with

more than 100 people with this. i took some exception to being referred to as lazy. i hope that it is not lazy. i talked to a lot of people for this and i struggled with it to try to find where the boundaries are. to try to understand this is political. but this is private faith. the trump campaign asked him to go speak at mega-churches and tell them to vote for donald trump. he said no. that is a practice of his private faith. real too.mbition is both things can be real. he is a human. they contrast against each other and they tug and pull and they inform each other as well. it is not cleanly one thing or the other. that is what i found in my reporting. in north carolina, frank, good morning. caller: i am a huge fan of c-span from back in the 90's.

let me give you a short background on myself. i am an independent. i was raised by a conservative parents. i am a with school student. i have been a conservative for 35 years and i am no longer a republican. i will tell you why. i have been listening to this channel. mr. penn's has any real, true, christian attributes. he is what we would consider, us real conservatives, to be a christian of convenience. when it is convenient to be a christian, then he is a christian. but, when it is not convenient, he likes to maneuver and maneuver and reinterpret things. he was picked because donald trump wanted to get the christian vote. that is the only reason.

he doesn't care a word of what he says. conservatives who go with trump ofe conservatives convenience. there are no true conservatives who go with donald trump. there are 30 from when trump was running for election who have spoken out and said i am a never trumper. when you are a true conservative and you are a true christian, you have a conscience. you go with your conscience. host: i appreciate the call. tom lobianco. guest: i was reporting a piece for yahoo! news about how jared kushner and ivanka trump were trying to get rid of penn's on the ticket -- mike pence on the ticket in 2020. there were real talks about that based on my reporting. his people were aware of this. one of his advisors told -- i think this gets to the charlotte pence op-ed and it gets to your

viewers question as well. he came up with a great term for this which is the difference between practitioners, evangelicals and political operative avon jelly close -- evangelicals. he calls them transactional avon jelly goals -- even jelly goals. evangelicals. house, thatna state is when they abandoned him. i think that stung him. he felt stung on both sides. talked with one of his friends, trying to understand why he placed of this world. you have to. politically, you have to play to the christian. is he the only politician that does that? of course not.

he said it might not be penn's's style but who doesn't pander? every politician panders. it is part of the game. it is not a sin. this is how politics works. this is 2015 and this is then governor pence with george stephanopoulos on abc. >> yes or no. in -- florist in indiana refuses to serve a gay couple, is that legal? >> this is where this debate has gone with misinformation. >> it is just a question. yes or no? >> there has been shameless rhetoric about my stay and this law and about its intentions all over the internet. people are trying to make it about one particular issue. now, you are doing that as well. the issue here, the religious freedom restoration act does not apply to disputes between

individuals unless government action is involved. theore than two decades, religious freedom restoration act has never been used to undermine antidiscrimination laws in this country. >> that was one of your supporters who was talking about the bill right there. it said it would protect a christian florist against any kind of punishment. is that true or not? is isrge, the issue tolerance a two way street or not? host: tom lobianco, what was the fallout from that? , it basicallyment ended his political career or that is the way his folks responded to it. i remember that interview. for four years, i have been puzzling over why did he melt down like that in a televised interview? this is one of his political superpowers. you never see that.

my girlfriend at the time, my wife now, we were watching that. she is not into politics. she doesn't do politics. she is not journalist. she is a noncombatant. and she listened and said wow, that was terrible. the fact that a regular human being heard that as bad. it made me like wow, i need to understand this. i have been trying for four years to get this. the thing that made me understand it and i had an interview with his old friend, jeff, a friend from that 1980's. jeff cardwell saw that pencil was angry. -- pence was angry. he was angry at all of the people on twitter and facebook trolling his family, making fun of them and making fun of his kids f. host: a personal anger. guest: yeah. i get it.

.e went on there with dad rage that to me is the best explanation for why he melt down on stephanopoulos like that. host: we hear from herbie on the democrats line. caller: good morning, bill. host: good morning. caller: thanks for this conversation. you sound more like an apologist for mike pence. pencey best to watch mike when he is on the stage with donald trump. and he looks nothing more than a yes-man. i don't understand how the american people can tolerate aftere like donald trump

watching his news conference yesterday. angrynds more like an 15-year-old. and mike pence stands behind him. --on't understand how the freeer of the world, the commander in chief of the most powerful nation in the world can act like that and use the language he does. host: herbie in north carolina. guest: it sounds like it is too easy on mike pence. some say it is too hard on mike pence. it is possible. have i been too empathetic? i don't know. it is hard to tell when you're in the thicket and trying to go

into his world and trying to report and trying to let the anecdotes say what they say. so that we understand him. thatpeople might interpret differently. some of the book reviews say you do good job of trying to keep it in the middle. it is tough. he is a human. these things are complex. politics devolves into characters. caricatures missed the mark. i think they politically help him. i think those caricatures are good for him and keep that christian right voter base with him. host: next is james in tallahassee florida. caller: good morning. it seems to me that, since you know everything that is going on [indiscernible]

nobody wants pence for president. losey will step down -- nancy pelosi will step down. effort it is a concerted . you have to take down pence. i was wondering how long it would take. losey will be in line. she will say she doesn't want it -- nancy pelosi will be in line. she will say she doesn't want it. bill in will go to lafayette, indiana. mike pence's home state. caller: yes. i have a question for the author. is there a relationship between mitch daniels and mike pence,

both were governors of indiana. is there still a connection? guest: a great question. have covered a couple of governors, including mitch daniels, the former governor and president of purdue. with the dynamic democratic governors like martin o'malley. sometimes, you will get a sibling rivalry in intraparty. it is not always between the principles. it is not between mike pence and mitch daniels. they are different people and don't run in the same circles. they have a different style of politics. it is between the staff. ,ou would to see it between going further back in indiana, evan and frank o'bannon, when he follows him as governor. their staffs would bank heads.

you saw this with pence and daniels. worldes in a different politically than mitch daniels. they get along fine. there is no animosity but there is not an especially close relationship either. host: how important was mike pence's radio career in forming his political career? guest: this is fascinating. i did not understand this before i started researching and reporting the radio side. the radio is where he develops a good political antenna. -- he says he was rush limbaugh on decaf. he wasn't really like rush limbaugh at all. he would listen to people. five days a week, he was like you. you listen to people calling in and over the years, he developed a great antenna. a great sense of where people were. whenever they were having trouble hitting people on the air and they want to lighten up the boards, they would ask what

?o you think about bobby knight bobby knight just threw up chair across the floor. should we fire him or is he the face of indiana basketball? he develops this great political antenna. that goes forward to 2015. this is where he starts to pick up, as he is running for reelection. this is when he starts to give the sense that trump is a real thing. at the end of 2015, everyone else is laughing off trump. he is out there, outside of indianapolis. indianapolis is its own bubble like ec or new york or wherever, outside the old manufacturing towns, he feels these trump rumblings. need toi might get on board. host: you can text us at (202) 748-8003. rebecca says pence is a

religious right, hypothetically. give us an example of pence faith rubbing off on donald trump or just an example of pence's faith. guest: people tell me they will hold hands and pray, occasionally before meetings. that trump has become ok with this. it was awkward at first but they do it now. faith, he does acts of service. i am trying to think back, two years ago, he was washing down the vietnam war memorial. you see this. he goes out and will do these things. it is in stark contrast to trump. pence does not mind getting down, i think it was one of the hurricanes in 2017, he was lifting tree limbs and handing

out food. it was not like trump tossing rolls of paper towels. host: we saw the ceremony for the new joint chiefs of staff chair. we noticed that there was a man in a wheelchair that mike pence helped the military officials get down and lift the chair in that ceremony. let's hear from cindy, she is from st. petersburg, florida on their democrat line. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i have not read his book. it sounds like a good read. i know that trump never liked pence. trump always thought of him as a loser. i think trump had a poster by the name of tony, who said pence is a good candidate because he is lifting your numbers with evangelical voters and

conservatives. a former campaign chairman, paul manafort and the rnc chairman pushed for pence. they had their reasons. the bottom line was it would help trump with the conservatives and the evangelicals. pence ise only reason there. it makes the ticket looked a little more solid and palatable. with this scandal going on right now with the impeachment and trump mentioning pence being on the phone call, trump will throw pence under the bus in a heartbeat. i can't wait to see when that happens. that's all i have to say. guest: to the callers last point, it kind of feels that way. it felt that way with the trump

press conference where he talked about releasing the tapes. and some rumblings about whether or not trump's people are behind the washington post story. host: the one that came out last night. guest: i am sure the sources are impeccable because there is great reporting behind it. it feels like trump is wrapping his arms around pence and not letting go. host: the post reporting last week a story that came out that pence seeks to dodge impeachment spotlight. impeachment inquiry could test his role as that figure. does he have that impression among people who cover the white house and cover the vice president? guest: where he is right now it reminds me so much of what was happening with the trump-russia investigation. on one hand, you would have his folks say he's incredibly influential. policy.s

make him sound like an important figure. stuff,u ask about this he doesn't know about it. he had nothing to do with it. i remember when the house democrats got a hold of the transition emails during the russia investigation. it was fascinating because pence was the director of the transition. they could not find his name. he was a ghost. ashley parker, an incredible white house reporter, wrote this blockbuster story and asked a question of mike pence about 1.5 years ago, at the olympics. she said mr. vice president, people say you understand what is going on but often times, it seems you're out of the loop. he seemed to get a little .lushed red, whic out of the loop could save him right now.

from richard hear from port charlotte, florida. on the republican line. caller: good morning. it is a pleasure to see a decent, honest person giving a true to life portrayal, rather than the usual hate you get. i have found that the only piece of news i can get is on the foxbusiness channel or cnbc business channel. being a small businessman, who had 25 employees on the verge of came in andtrump freed up all kinds of rules and regulations to allow small business to flourish. he is defeating russia and the middle east with low gas prices. from a strictly business point

of view, trump is doing everything right. seeing it on your show that they are telling the truth for once. host: thank you. tom lobianco, we talked about the religious and policy issues. what other issues are in mike pence's portfolio? a shadow is neither president or a glorified coat rack. he is in the middle. the national religious freedom hhs,imiting gay marriage, that was a big push. let me point out something. this is kind of interesting. the fighting between pence's inff, a lot of people indiana are daniel's people. it is funny.

it is funny how political oppositions dissolve once we get to the top and more opportunities arrive. host: did you talk to mitch daniels for this book? guest: know. mitch did not want to talk. he did not want to talk. host: say hello to jean in detroit, democrats line. comments,have a few to me, there is a difference between being spiritual person and of religious person. the spiritual operate out of love. with religious people, it is more out of doctrine. out of judgment. there are two scriptures that struck me. one is how we are not to judge. and when we judge the same way we are judged. the other scripture, was the one that says how we will have to

stand before god, each person and give them a pallet of every idle word and deed. the gayt said to me is people, the adulterers, those people have to answer to god. each of us have to answer to god for how we treat them. and the god we serve is a god of love and when we act out of judgment, we are going against his will. thank you. rayford is on the independent line from germantown, maryland. caller: can you hear me? host: yes. caller: i want to point out quickly that mike pence and all of the other so-called evangelicals like him are christians in name only. donald trump as the

ideal role model for all youth in america. let's take a look at this. we have seen three tauzin -- 3000 times that they are stealing money from contractors. he had to pay $25 million in the trump university suit for stealing money. fraud. he had to pay that. he is the one who was sued by the nixon administration. he led the birther movement. we know that he cheated on all of his wives. paid off poor and stars. ars.ornst kids by keeping them in cages. me askom lobianco, let you, on top of his question, is there any indication that karen pence expressed reservations

about becoming the vice president or running mate? during the access hollywood week and based on everything else, she was angry about it, but they reach a point, and i think this goes to understanding the political side of it, they reach a point where they are going on the plane, it is saturday, october 8, 2016 in the middle of this firestorm, and they are hiding out from the press but they are also going to fly out to rhode island to do a fundraiser for donald trump in the ticket. they get on the plane and karen looks to one of their top aides and says, we knew what we were signing up for. we do not agree with this, but the mission is to stick with the ticket. i think for me, this would help me understand because the more reporting that i did, the more it became clear that the political strategy was that trump was going to lose. everyone expected it. they would bees,

better positioned to win the 2020 nomination in their own right. kisskaren pence refuses to mike pence on election night, the first time i heard that, i thought it was because she was angry at donald trump and his style. the more i reported this in the more i understood that their joint political career was focused on 2020, it is a gamble. the gamble they took when they signed on with trump was that he might win. they lost the gamble. in that moment, they went from having these tedder -- tether style to trump to being d for four years. host: we go to loretta in mississippi. caller: i support mr. pence. 93% of the media is liberal.

john solomon has been investigating the ukraine and prosecutors that prosecuted people who were involved with the dnc and working with the campaign to help against trump. the democratic party is the party of slavery. and abortion. and against civil rights of the 1960's. auburn, new york, jeff on our democrat line. caller: good morning. i would like to ask you about anti-catholic prejudice among -- among evangelicals. my mother was a methodist, my dad, catholic, so my stepdad had us convert to catholicism. later in life, i explored other religions, so technically, i am no longer a practicing catholic, but i was baptized and confirmed. i found a lot prejudice against

catholics among the evangelicals, especially the southern baptists. i would like to tie that to the law in immigration debate. the wall it is to keep catholics out of the south. anti-catholic is migration, and this migration is due to climate change and violence south of the border. have't know why christians chism today even though the martin luther and so on among the catholics. there is a prejudice. i was told that i had to get baptized as a baptist because catholics are idolaters and we are all going to hell. host: tom? on the southraised side of baltimore, raised catholic. researching the

religious side of the book, i heard a term i never heard before -- it is a derogatory term for catholics. i was a little surprised by that. i did not know that people hated catholics that much. it is not everybody by any stretch, and to keep the focus here, that is not pence. he is not like that at least based on all of my research, he does not fall into that world. are there southern baptist style evangelicals who do believe that that catholics are going to help? yes. are there catholics who are fervently anti-protestant? yes. there are a million and one different shades of every religion you could think of. host: mike pence was born a catholic and became converted during college, correct? guest: right. host: tom lobianco, and the

power:ew book "piety and mike pence and the taking of the white house." guest: thank you. host: we will focus on adam schiff and our question from earlier, how is your confidence of leading the impeachment inquiry. republicans, use (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. we will be back to your calls in just a moment. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ >> the black hills of south dakota are very secret area as a whole. >> in the black hills, i believe at one time or another,

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of adam schiff yesterday in the joint news conference. [video clip] schiff: we only know some of the facts at this point. the call record seems to be pretty undisputed. the suspension of military assistance is undisputed. this calltration of record and may be others into a file and which they were never supposed to be placed, a file that is for classified information of the highest order, covert action, for example -- those facts are not contested. but all of the facts around that we still need to flesh out. what was the state department's role? the secretary's role? the role of the attorney general? there is more we need to know to understand the full depth of the president's misconduct. maybe when that comes out, it will persuade some of those republicans to recognize the

gravity of the situation, but we have to be realistic here. there seems to be no floor below which this president can drop that some of the gop members would not be willing to endorse, look away from, avoid comment on let alone rise to condemn as incompatible with the duties of his office. host: carroll in hudson, massachusetts on the democrats line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i think he is very capable of running the impeachment inquiry. his not know how much of background, his schooling, and whether he is a lawyer or not, but he seems very poised and comecalm, unlike his -- counterpart.

someone --is time about the man in the office. i do not know who else would be any better. the --he head of whatever. host: thank you for that. congressman adam schiff has served in congress for 10 terms and served as ranking member of intelligence and became the chair this year. he is a formal federal prosecutor for the l.a. area. rockledge,line, florida, this is james. caller: hello? host: make sure you mute your television and go ahead with your comments. chump supporter, basically. i am a trump supporter, basically. , heink that schiff

ought to find something more useful to do with his time. it seems to me the whole democratic process has been corrupted by the constant assault on the president's integrity since before the theaign started, during campaign, after the campaign, and during the presidency. host: judy is next on the independent line from delaware. caller: thank you and good morning. how are you? host: doing fine. caller: i do not think schiff is very competent. caught just as much andrump if not more so, when you do something like this to the contrary, other countries are looking at us and they are shaking their heads. we are becoming fools in the eyes of the other countries.

it is all because of this constant assassination against trump. for him,country voted and every time that the democrats tried to assassinate it is disregarding the other half of the country and it is tearing this country apart. we need to bring people together. we have to quit all of the name and because we do not agree. we used to be able to agree to disagree and now, it is if you disagree with me, i am going to hurt you. republicans cannot come out and say what they want to say, and democrats are saying what they want to say, but republicans are so scared. i have both friends in republican and democrats. republicans are saying, do not tell anybody i am a republican because the democrats are so violent these days. host: president trump keeping up his criticism of congressman schiff on twitter.

is aple of those, " schiff lying disaster for our country. he should resign." george, virginia on our democrat line. caller: good morning. i have been listening to your guest and your speakers. let me just say this, and please let me get my thoughts out quickly. realize oneto thing. democrats, republicans, and independents. it does not matter about what schiff is doing as far as him being the ranking member. if you take him out of the equation, that still does not change what donald trump has done with this foreign leader. it does not change the dynamics of that at all. if schiff was not there, the impeachment process would still continue on. demagogue and you can

downgrade, and you can talk about adam schiff all you want, but he is just the ranking member and he is just the leader of this particular party. schiff is now chairman of the intelligence committee, serving as the ranking number for four years. nunes is now the ranking member of the committee. the intelligence committee today is hearing from the former nvoy to ukraine, kurtz he will testify today, and who also hear from the former ambassador in the coming days. -- "watchdoghts reveals mids -- mysterious attempt." apparent attempt to

smear the u.s. ambassador to ataine who was seen as key witness in the house democrats impeachment inquiry. it was deemed urgent when it was announced tuesday and described ." "bizarre and confusing a packet of documents containing misinformation about the former ambassador marie yuvanovitch was sent by an unknown source. lawmakers said. our guest in oak grove, missouri on the independent line. caller: good morning. that the topto say tier of donald trump's campaign tried to get information in the trump tower from the russians. whether they did or not, they

attempted it. is, iw, donald trump believe, held the military payment over the heads of a foreign country, and this is what i really believe. i believe we need to take away the miss use presidential privilege and forest congressional subpoenas, let the chips fall where they may. jerrywe will hear from and michigan. republican line. caller: good morning. thanks for allowing me to speak. thetually think that representative from california seems to be leading the democrats down the path of impeachment and trying to tear

this nation apart is a perfect representation of the democratic party at this time. i think it is a shame when you see someone who cannot even read thewords that were on conversation from the ukraine president and our president without spewing lies and other informants that he himself has probably been guilty of. i guess when i look at adam meiff, it kind of makes realize how corrupt politics are. both sides. the reason that donald trump is having so much problem is that the democrats that are part of the swamp and the republicans that are part of the swamp, well donald trump is one of the boys and they both hate that. we mentioned, that house intelligence committee chair and from the former ukrainian envoy kurtz volcker -- kurt volcker this morning.

if there are any comments, we will have that for you live or taped later in the day and you may be able to see that stream does well over on c-span.org. a programming update, we had expected to hear an interview former governor and republican presidential candidate mark sanford, but we are having some problems with the power and hopefully we can get a rain check. the story in the new york times "trump administration tightens his hold on the gop convention." president trump's political advisers have -- for delegates for the republican national convention ensuring that there are no descending speeches at the gathering of party officials in charlotte next year. on tuesday, state republican parties submitted to the national committee their delegate allegation plans, the methods by which they will choose and find delegates who

will attend the convention. in 37 states and territories, there have been changes to the rules that will all but stamp out any raucous divide on the convention floor. those kinds of schisms have plagued party conventions for years when a republican incumbent went on to lose his reelection bid. republican officials say that mr. trump himself confronted the ability to strip of delegates in 2017. they are a culmination of a ten-month effort by trump advisors to strengthen the president's grip on the republican party ahead of the general election. write, five states have canceled their primaries including south carolina in moves that will further prevent his challengers, the former congressman joe walsh, mark sanford, and former massachusetts governor william weld from gaining traction, but it is the delegate to rules and changes the parties at the state level that the campaign has

spent most of its energies on this year. back to calls on adam schiff. oscar in california, democrats. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you c-span. i am just a believer in adam schiff and him pursuing this, not because he necessarily hates trump or because anybody hates trump, he is our president, and i think as a democrats, i certainly want good leadership from our president, no matter what party he belongs to. but the facts should be allowed to flow to the surface and we should all have a chance to see it. whistleblower, i liken him to deep throat in the nixon era who remained anonymous. but the clues that the deep throat gave to the reporters, the washington post, eventually it led to the follow the money.

eventually led to nixon need theseecause, we underground sources, but they are not treasonous. deep throat was not treasonous. cia recall, he was in the and probably a very patriotic american, so we need to not villain eyes these people who might bring these facts to light, including adam schiff. host: the reporter read this earlier, but "the new york gots" reporting that schiff an early account of accusations grew,stleblower's concern that he learned about the hotlines of the cia officer's concerns that president trump had abused his power days before the officer filed a whistleblower complaint. according to a spokesman and current and former officials. on the republican line, hi

there. caller: hi. schiffadam schiff adam -- who is adam schiff? adam schiff is the guy who spent two years on tv saying that he had proof of russian collusion and he ended up having nothing. he lied. he was caught on the phone to haveto a russian dirt on donald trump, and then they said they never followed up on it, and we know his office followed up on the call. adam schiff is the guy who said they never talked to the whistleblower and it comes out, you knew about the whistleblower before he filed the charge. when you see all of this, you understand corruption is at the core of all of this. it is the hate of trump, and the

deep states. upt: president trump stepped his criticism of adam schiff yesterday in a joint meeting in the oval office with the finish president. here is some of what president trump had to say. [video clip] pres. trump: i saw schiff trying to go -- week not call him shifty schiff for nothing. he is a shifty, this honest guy. he was critical of one of the great secretary of state. rajoy did number one at his class at west point. graduated at one of the top of his classes at harvard law school. the most honorable person, mike pompeo, and this guy was negative on mike pompeo. he can't -- there is an expression, he could not carry has blank strap -- i would not say it, but that guy could not carry his blank strap, you understand that? when you deal with bad people -- and you know, i watch china over the last few days and some of these other countries build,

buildout, buildup and we build up more than any of them because of me but no help due to the democrats. they are the the disaster. they are the do-nothing democrats. all they want to do is try to win the election in 2020. they come up with this impeachment nonsense. host: president trump and the oval office yesterday. , virginia, william. caller: thank you for taking my call. we comment i have is americans should be celebrating testing our constitution and no one is above the law. i do not care for it is trump or -- we americans should be proud. there is nothing to be ashamed of. we are testing our constitution. in terms of adam schiff, congressman is just doing his

job. i have no idea whether he is lying bored doing the right thing, but we will find out this when the facts come out. done anything and he will be set free. otherwise, we will hold him to the end point of the constitution. if you violated that, he should be impeached. impact of thethe impeachment inquiry on the business of congress? rights, "worst ?", and impeachment looks to make this the worst of all time. they have made this into a pretty simple to understand chart. what will impeachment mean for lawmaking. congress is already operating at a historical level of inefficiency and impeachment

threatens more on productivity. the plummet ins 2019 as you can see. have a caller from new jersey, democrat line. caller: good morning and thank you for having me. i think the most important challenge to donald trump is that some republicans have too many -- about his actions. crisis and ofrder the trump phone call with the ukraine process. -- ukraine president. our main problem is that our peopleians play with political games like impeachment in order to deceive people to believe that the congress members make decisions for the country. is, we have

decisions made in our --iticians and this line what do you think about this issue? host: dave is in new jersey on our democrat line. caller: good morning and thanks for c-span. i have been studying the news for the last 10 years, i have six tv sets, and i record everything and i watch it over and over again. is the american people should not take the bait. they are creating this on both sides. term, uld look up the regalian dialectics. your confidence or lack of confidence in adam schiff. caller: i have confidence in adam schiff, but watching him at the maguire hearing changed the

poo into a dramatic mario ozo novel. , and iual memo was worse brighte just saw the lights and could not help himself. it seems like he really stepped in it there and unforced error. thank you for taking my call. play we will see if we can those opening remarks and the president has criticized them. fact,epublicans in republican kevin mccarthy calling for adam schiff to be censured because of that. we will go to the republican line and hear from mandy. caller: yes, hello. i think that adam schiff and the democratic party are going to lose in the 2020 elections. i started and

independent and 2016 and switched over to the republican party exclusively for mr. trump, and he has delivered every single thing that he said he would deliver. been under this for threet hostage years now and it is never ending. the democratic party. 238 resolutions that are pure junk. they have done absolutely nothing for the american people in the past three years. nothing. as far as i am concerned, i think the party is going to lose and it will lose for many, many years beyond this. host: house intelligence committee chair members and staff certainly the democratic side, if not others, gathering now on capitol hill.

where here just outside the closed hearing is being held. the hearing is with kurt volcker testifying in a closed session, the headline from time.com, and the cameras there with any comments we will have for you on the c-span networks. we go to jay in reno, nevada. democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. that hasp's transcript been released that he says is word for word taken down by stenographers, if you read what it also says, it says, this is not word for word in a little side note. , you have thell information that is almost like a mirror image of

what trump released, but yet, trump keeps saying, it is a faker, it is a fraud, but it is almost word for word. portraying that this is a perfect call. from what he has also said, this is a 30 minute call, and if that server, whysecret doesn't he release the word for word 30 minute call so everyone can hear? again, there was a senator who had his staff read it and said it took about 10 minutes for them to read the parts between one person and the trump and what they were saying in that transcript. but trump says it is a 30 minute call and he has stenographers, and then of course, it is in that high coded server. if it is word for word, release it. trump does nothing but light everybody and he is doing the same thing against adam schiff.

he made a synopsis of what the thing said for it how many angst does --of what the thing said. say --y times does trump like biden and his son are criminals? come on. he is doing hillary clinton on joe biden. host: we will hear more from president trump this afternoon traveling to the villages in florida to speak about health care and we will have live coverage of that. the campaign trail yesterday, bernie sanders has a heart procedure after suffering chest discomfort during a campaign event tuesday in las vegas. confirmed on wednesday that following medical evaluation, he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents successfully inserted. is countriess

-- is conversing and in good spirits. the toptor is among contenders vying for the 2020 democratic nomination. and tweeting after the procedure, bernie sanders saying thanks for all the well wishes, i am feeling good, and i am fortunate to have good health care. none of us know when a medical emergency might affect us. medicare for all. the next big event for bernie sanders and 11 other democratic presidential candidates will be a debate coming up on october 15. let's hear from james in north oxford, massachusetts. independence. caller: hello? host: you are on the air. caller: yes, i read very document prepared by the so-called whistleblower

does heere in there accuse trump of anything. statementsa lot of or so-called information from other sources, but never makes a direct challenge. secondly, the opening remarks by f, if he schif himself -- because of the controversy over his comments, he himself said it was a parody. i am a writer. elected many times in municipal elections in massachusetts. i am very careful about words. poet, so i published am very, very careful about words. idaho onnk is next in

the independent line. with thehe democrats continuation of the smear campaign that started three years ago, they have nothing on trump. the democrats are turned into the fascist party. they want to limit free speech now and take our rights. the american people have support notthe invaders and i do see nothing good coming out of this. they have nothing on trump and he has done everything he was supposed to do. i do not believe the democrats represent america at all. host: mike pompeo, the secretary of state, overseas in italy. yesterday the front page with the new york times today, pompeo takes heat he wants dealt in the house. they writes, mike pompeo drove the republican inquiry into the killing of benghazi and made clear there was no place for

politics and american diplomacy nor he said he would tolerate --- something he called "deeply obstructive" to the american people. is facing mike pompeo a political crisis that challenges his leadership. ease accused by house democrats -- he is accused by house democrats of blocking their impeachment inquiry. some of whomats, blamed the trump administration were dismembering the foreign service and undercutting american diplomacy are expected to be among the first witnesses telling their stories to congress during its inquiry. they write that during the benghazi hearings and 2016, mr. pompeo bombarded secretary of state hillary clinton with questions about whether the state department had failed to put adequate security on the ground, leading to the death of an american ambassador.

now mr. pompeo is being asked whether his state department was part of an effort to pressure ukraine to investigate former vice president joe biden. chris in huntsville, alabama. in morning. on the democrat line. caller: yes, i have a question for you. , if they knowan who the whistleblower is, can they release their name? or the federal government the subcontractor of the federal government, but can civilian release that person's name was fax. host: good question. i don't know the answer. who do you think might be someone to do that? caller: i am not going to a going toit's say anything like that, i just want to know if a civilian knows who it is, can they release

their name legally? not morally, morally has nothing to do with it. host: someone who is not a member of the government? you mean someone who is not a member of the government? caller: exactly, yes. host: good question. thank you for posing it. pennsylvania, independent line. caller: good morning. i do not have any confidence in adam schiff to run this investigation. back when they were talking about the pfizer, he did a report and wanted to get his report out and find out the everything the adam schiff said was wrong and s is suing himne for defamation. going to today, he is involved

with the whistleblower directly. he read false statements to the american public and pretended it was a parody. everything he said has been untrue. he said he had dirt on russia he had years and nothing. he has been in bed with the ukraine, and he had a fundraiser by the ukrainian arms dealer out in california. we are not reporting on the fact that nancy pelosi is violating the constitution by not taking a vote on this, which basically lets the democrats run the show. it, theoted for republicans could pull up witnesses and pull-up people themselves to defend the president. adam schiff has no credibility whatsoever. i cannot believe that anybody would call in and say that he does because he needs to be removed from congress or at least recuse himself like he demanded nunes to do.

also, c-span, when you brought events with the nancy pelosi statement, where have the republicans used that exact scenario and lying and leaking to the press? the press does not support republicans, ever. so that political argument was clearly false. she did exactly that with the russian dirt, and they are doing it again right here. it is unbelievable and i do not know why you would defend her with that politico. host: not defending her, we were giving some context to the statement because someone had played audio of that and there have been fact checking on that, so that is what we showed that earlier in it from the program. we are getting your responses and thoughts and your confidence on adam schiff as chair of the committee, leading the investigation, the impeachmen inquiry,.

republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. textu can send us a including your name and where you are from. we were supposed to have republican candidate mark sanford, and we had some power issues with that but hopefully we will have a rain check to have him back at a future date. we can tell you the supreme court is gaveling in for their new session on monday of next week, the first monday in october they return, and they will take on a number of key cases, many of which you will hear oral arguments from c-span. we will be able to bring those to you from the coming term. also, the coverage this weekend for thered mask upcoming supreme court term, writing about the supreme court and its future column on the "high court to get

scott's passing notes." they write, seated behind -- "high court gets caught passing notes." they write, unless they are passing notes on like bored t eenagers. harry.ake, about thesentinues writings that form a small yet illuminating subset of some 15,000 handwritten documents. atolitical science professor the university of minnesota has copied these over two decades from archives housing the papers of former justices. notes provide an interesting insight to what they were thinking about as attorneys were arguing.

they talked about sports, selling their houses, and mr. johnson plans to change that through an archive he is building called scotus notes with volunteer transcribers, he is digitizing the documents to dependinge database penmanship, there can be up to 10 chance -- 10 transcribers. a baseball score, mets, 2. we have a caller from oregon, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i went to wikipedia for adam schiff's page, and it was reported in 2018 by the new yorker that he moonlights as a screenwriter and he had dined

mystery murder screenplay, story and then aolocaust spy story. i think that is where he is that , and i know you said he was a prosecutor, but all of the things he has said, those are just misconduct issues that i do not think that guy could even be in a courtroom let alone lead the house intelligence committee. dniied to the head of the when he was stating what it be partisan if someone met with the whistleblower without admitting his office had already done that. we appreciate that. one of the things that he has gotten criticisms on were his opening statements in the hearing with the acting director of the national intelligence,

joseph maguire, last week. for some context, here's a look at that statement. [video clip] >> the president of ukraine eager to establish himself at home as a friend of the president to the most powerful nation on earth had at least two objectives. get a meeting with the president and get more military help. so what happened on that call? the president of ukraine begins by ingratiating himself and tries to enlist the support of the president. he expresses his interest in meeting with the president and says his country wants to acquire more weapons from us to defend itself. and what is the president's response? it reads like a classic organized crime shakedown. and not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates.

to yourbeen very good country, very good. no other country has done as much as we have. but you know what, i do not see as much reciprocity here. i hear what you want and i have a favor that i want from you though. and i am going to say this only seven times so you better listen good. onant you to make up there my political opponents, understand? lots of it. on this and on that. i will put you in touch of people and not just any people. i will put you in touch with my attorney general bill barr. he has the whole weight of the american law enforcement behind him. and i am going to put you in touch with rudy, you are going to love him, trust him. fellowdam schiff's californian kevin mccarthy calling for a censure of adam schiff and the l.a. times mildly criticizing the intelligence committee chair in their editorial. they later say that it was meant

to be quote, "at least in part a parody." adamsay that maneuverwhat he meant was unwise given that it was a political and public relations process as well as a constitutional one. let's hear from omaha, nebraska, democrats line, mark. caller: hey, i am mark and i voted democrat in the past, but lately, with the adam schiff inng, i have no confidence his ability to be impartial. it seems like the level of hatred -- they complain of trump's hatred of people but the level of hatred from the democratic party at this point in time in the last three years is so high, i cannot believe that they hate trump so much and

they really are supposed to be the party of inclusiveness. voted for trump, they are the least inclusive people there are out there, and that is what is driving me away from it. i walk in neighborhoods and i see the signs that say hate has no home here. when i see people actually ask them, hate has no home here? so you like trump? no, you hate trump. they act like they are not hateful people, but if you are arava public and walking by or ask about trump, you see the true hatred in some of these democrats. rd ladythat the gabba from hawaii congress, she is like the old time democrat. host: tulsi gabbard? caller: yes. host: william is next in massachusetts. independent line.

caller: yeah. enjoyam schiff seems to sequencing of events, so the question is when you call a staffer to an office like adam schiff's office, is that staffer an official member of the intel committee? so the whistleblower can share confidential information, it should be with a member of congress who was on the intel committee, so i do not understand how adam schiff who was saying it was all proper protocol, you played the clip where he asked the intel, the dni cheese about proper protocol. f -- dni-- dni fhie chief about proper protocol. so when do you think? host: it might not have been a personal staffer for the

couldss's office and it have been a democratic staffer on that committee. it is not clear in the article. ryan is up next in greensboro, north carolina. republican line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i would just like to say that i believe our president has done a great job for this country. he has been put through the ringer by the democratic party and their founds and he has been that he has not done anything unlawful. if anything, the democratic party has not done anything in the last 10 years. -- what has the democratic party done to represent our country?

the president took n -- an oath of office. the democratic leaders took an oath to protect and serve this country. so far, i have not seen anything but the democrats are actually serving the country and protecting this country by. however, in his campaign, he made it clear what he was going to do. job that i had for 22 years that was outsourced when obama and biden were in office. all the jobs were going out of the country. now, the president has brought back all of these jobs, he is to reinvest ines

our country rather than other he is building a wall to protect our borders, and he is trying to be fair with all races and groups. unfortunately, all the democrats want to do is go after the president. so far, they have wasted how many committees and how many millions of dollars investigating the president, and it has all come up short. tv atre allowed to go on these committees and they use to pay forrs dollars these committees. host: would go to mary elizabeth in new york city. go to mary elizabeth in new york city. caller: good morning. i think that representative

schiff is perfectly qualified to hear -- lead this hearing. i would like to remind my fellow americans that they should read the mueller report. it is complete but unfortunately, it was a mess represented by attorney barr, so people did not read it. i would suggest to everyone who says there is nothing there that they should read the mueller report and we should wait for the public hearings so we can hear from the witnesses and then make our own determinations. from aews this morning reporter from cbs, a series of tweets this morning. she tweets that knew from whistleblower attorney, there was no contact between the legal team and giuliani a month after the whistleblower complaint was submitted to the intelligence committee's inspector general.

the september 9 letter is online here. and he says that i can unequivocally state that neither the legal team nor the whistleblower has ever spoke or met with congressman schiff about the matter. good morning to richard on the independent line. caller: good morning and thank you c-span for being one place that does not put their own personal slant on the news. yesterday for example, i watched the president's news conference with the finnish president and watching abc news overnight, the way they edited out what the president said during the news conference was terrible. another fine example, adam schiff getting up there and changing what was said that she is holding the transcript of the president and the

president's phone call and pretends to read it. and then when he is called on the fact that he was lying he says, it was just a parody. the guy should be censured. it is blatant slander and he changed the facts. the drive-by media and standard press out there does not say anything about it. if there wasne, corruption between joe biden, his son, and the former ukrainian government, why not to bring that to light. joe biden was out there. there is a tape of biden bragging about how he was -- withheld $1 billion in funds to the ukrainian government to get his son a sweetheart deal. he said that.

it is out there. nobody is talking about that. by formercomments vice president biden, that is another event that c-span covered. it was a council on foreign relations a year or so ago. we will get a couple more calls and we apologize for mark sanford who was supposed to be on the program. ivan in texas, republican line. whyer: yeah, i am not sure you are always writing the stories about donald trump. you investigate him because he wants the stories investigated. they need to investigate the investigations that started the investigation. inquiryrted this new and it gives donald trump in .015, not 2016, 2015

and for bernie sanders, he is lucky if we had socialism for all and if i cost too much to keep them alive, they would just let him die. thinking about everybody that is running for president and try to force things on as that may it might come back and bite them in the [beep] conwayn twitter, george tweeting this, given that trump administration displayed the extreme behavioral characteristics of a narcissistic, sociopath, or malignant narcissist, it is clear that he cannot continue in office. this is the related story to that -- this adjustment published this morning from the atlantic by george conway. ."nfit for office

donald trump's narcissism makes it and possible for him to carry out the duties required for office. schiff is aink adam good person to do the job. it would not matter who they picked. if it was a republican, they would not like him. the gop, they are the dividers. up publicans, they are the ones being divisive. -- my friends are republicans, they are the ones being divisive. and they are like children, they call everybody names when you back them into a corner. one more thing about c-span. on the west coast, it is really early in the morning to get up to watch you guys, and i am wondering if you can take a few more calls on the last hour from the west coast because it is 6:30, 7:00 here and it is 10:00 on the east coast.

i am wondering why all the gop people are not at work when they have time to call. suggestionis a good and our producers are listening and we will pass it along. michelle in chicago, donald trump had his personal interest invested in the call with ukraine. he could have answered the reported yesterday that asked about the purpose of investigating biden. he could not because he was extorting ukraine for his personal gain. according to andrew taylor of or associated press, responding to andrew taylor, one person tweets this, the democrats will be fine. funny to think how this is hurting democrats, hilarious. that will do it for us on "washington journal." we are live every day started at 7:00 a.m. eastern. we hope you can join us tomorrow. ♪

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