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detroit, it is the democratic presidential debate. >> the candidates are waiting in the wings. >> and whathey have to say. getting a question of our priorities right. >> going head-to-head with senator elizabeth warren,

longtime friends fighting for the same cause and the same voters. >> we should dream big, fight hard, and wherein. >> the progressives at centerstage defending their ideals against a crowd of more moderate challengers. mayor pete buttigieg. and former texas congressman o'rourke with to translate fame international support. i am willing to serve u.s. nx president >> >> of the united states of america. >> four candidates will put their heartlands on display. senator klobuchar. former colorado governor hickenlooper. congressman tim ryan. >> it is time for us to unify this country. >> and montana governor steve bullock in his first presidential debate. >> we are here to make sure that donald trump is a one term president. it iselan.

and washington outsider marianne williamson. >> this time we will win with love. >> campaigning for a change in a state they want to take back from trump. >> there is no such thing as a permanently red state. >> there is nothing that will stop us. >> democracy is for sale. >> good evening from the historic fox theater in downtown detroit, michigan.

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entrance right now. >> please welcome from vermont, senator bernie sanders. for massachusetts, senator elizabeth warren. from south bend, indiana, mayor pete buttigieg. from texas, former congressman beto o'rourke.

from minnesota, senator amy klobuchar. from colorado, former governor john hickenlooper. from ohio, congressman tim ryan. from maryland, former congressman john delaney. from texas, author marianne williamson.

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after this short break. [applause] ♪ welcome back to the cnn democratic debate. candidates, we are about to begin opening statements but first a review of the groundrules your campaigns agreed to earlier this month to debate. fair as moderators, we will attempt to guide the discussion. you will each receive one minute to answer questions, 30 seconds for responses and rebuttals, and 15 additional seconds of a moderator asks for clarification. the timing lights will remind you of the limits. respect that and refrain from interrupting your fellow candidates during their time. a candidate infringing on another candidate's time will have his or her time reduced. we also want to ask our audience inside the historic fox theater to remain silent when candidates

actively debate. candidates need to be able to hear the questions and one another. >> time now for opening statements. you will each receive one minute. governor steve bullock, please begin. governor bullock: thanks. i come from a state where a lot of people voted for donald trump. let's not kid ourselves, he will be hard to beat. yet, watching that last debate, folks seemed more concerned about scoring points are out doing each other with wishlist economics than making sure americans know we hear their voices and will help their lives look, i am a pro-choice, prounion, populist democrat that won three elections in a red state. not by compromising our values but by getting stuff done. that is how we win back the places we lost, showing up, , focusing on the challenges of everyday americans. the farmers getting hit by

trump's trade wars, that teacher working a second job to afford her insulin, they cannot wait for revolution. their problems are on the here and now. i am a progressive with emphasis on progress, and i'm running for president to get stuff done for all of those americans washington has left behind. >> marion williamson? in 1776, ouron: founders brought forth on this planet and asked ordinary new possibility. it was the idea that people, no matter who they were, simply had the possibility of driving. we have not ever actualized this . americans have pushed back against those forces. we did that with abolition, women's suffrage and civil rights. now it is time for a generation of americans to rise up again for an amoral economic system. it has turned short-term profits

for huge corporations into a false god. this new false god takes precedence over the safety, health, and well-being of we, the american people, and the people of the world and the planet on which we live. conventional politics will not solve this problem because conventional politics are part of the problem. we the american people must rise up and do what we do best, say no to what we do not want and yes to what we know can be true. i am marianne williamson and that is why i'm running for president. >> congressman delaney? congressman delaney: folks, we have a choice per we can go down the road that senator sanders and senator warren want to take us, like bad policies with medicare for all, free everything, and impossible promises that will turn off independent voters and get trump reelected. that is what happened with mondale, dukakis, or we could nominate someone with new ideas to create universal health care

for every american with choice. someone wants to unify our country and grow the economy and create jobs everywhere, and then we win the white house. i am the product of the american dream. i believe in it. i am the grandson of immigrants, the son of a construction worker. my wife april and i have four amazing daughters. i was the youngest ceo in the history of the u.s. stock of the new york stock exchange and served in congress. that is the type of background and my platform is about real solutions, not impossible promises that can beat to trump and govern. thank you. >> congressman tim ryan. >> america is great. but not everyone can access america's greatness. the systems that were built to lift us up are now suffocating the american people. the economic system that used to create 30, 40, $50 an hour jobs that you can have a good solid

middle-class living force us to have two or three jobs to get by. most families, when they go to sit at the kitchen table, they get a pit at the middle of their stomach. they deserve better. the political system is broken too because the entire conversation is about left or right, where are you at on the political system? i am here to say this isn't about left or right. this is about new and better. it is not about reforming old systems, it is about building new systems. solutions will offer that are bold. that are realistic and that are a clean break from the past. >> governor john hickenlooper. year,ickenlooper: last democrats flipped 40 republican seats in the house and not one of those 40 democrats supported the policies of our front center stage.

i share their progressive values but i am more pragmatic. i was out of work for two years until i started the largest book club in america. i learned small business lessons of how to provide service and teamwork and became a top mayor and, as governor of colorado, created the number one economy in the country. we expanded health-care care and reproductive rights. we attacked climate change head-on and beat the nra. we did not build massive, government expansions. focused on making sure that we got people together to get things done. to provide solutions to problems. to make sure that we worked together and created jobs. that is how we are going to be donald trump. that is how we are going to win michigan and the country. >> senator amy klobuchar. sen. klobuchar: let's get real. tonight, we debate but

ultimately, we have to be donald trump. mike background -- my background is different than his. front of you as the granddaughter of an iron or minor. as the first woman elected to the u.s. senate from the state of minnesota and a candidate for the president of the united states. aat is because we come from country of shared dreams. i have had it with the racist attacks. i have had it with the president that said one thing on tv and has your back and you get home and you see charges for prescription drugs and cable and college. you will hear a lot of promises up here. i will tell you this. yes, i have bold ideas but they are grounded in reality. yes, i will make some simple promises. i can win this. i am from the midwest. i have won every race, every place, every time. i will govern with integrity. the integrity worthy of the extraordinary people of this nation. >> congressman beto o'rourke.

>> i am running for president because i believe that america --covers its rightness greatness at his moments -- it's moments of greatest need. i believe america will be redeemed. in the face of cruelty and fear from a lawless president, we will choose to be the nation that stands up for the human rights of everyone, for the rule of law, for everyone. and a democracy that serves everyone. whatever our differences, we note that before we are anything else, we are americans first. we will ensure that each one of us is well enough and educated enough and paid enough to realize our full potential. we will meet these challenges here at home and we will lead the world and those that we face abroad, successfully confronting in this war and climate change. at this moment of truth, let us

pursue our national promise and make a more perfect union of everyone, by everyone and for everyone. >> mayor pete buttigieg. runninguttigieg: i am for president because our country is running out of time. it is bigger than the emergency of the trump presidency. ask yourself somebody -- how somebody like donald trump gets within cheating distance of the oval office in the first place? it does not happen unless america is already in a crisis. an economy that is not working for everyone. in this war, climate change. hometown, my generation has lived this as long as we have been alive. it has only accelerated. science tells us we have 12 years before we reach the horizon of catastrophe when it comes to our climate. by 2030, the average house in this country will cost $500,000. a woman's right to choose may not even exist. we are not going to be able to

be this moment by recycling the same arguments, policies and politicians that have dominated washington for as long as i have been alive. we have got to summon the courage to walk away from the past and do something different. this is our shot. that is why i am running for president. >> senator elizabeth warren. sen. warren: donald trump disgraces the office of president every single day. anyone on this stage tonight or tomorrow night would be a far better president. i promise no matter who our candidate is, i will work my heart out to be donald trump and to elect a democratic congress. start problems did not with donald trump, donald trump is part of a corrupt, rigged system that has helped the wealthy and the well-connected and kicked dirt in the faces of everyone else. we are not going to solve the urgent problems that we face

with small ideas and spineless in this. we are going to solve them by being the democratic party of big, structural change. we need to be the party that fights for our democracy and our economy to work for everyone. i know what is broken in this country. i know how to fix it. i will fights to make it happen. >> sensor bernie sanders. gov. bullock: tonight asked sen. sanders: tonight in america , 87 million americans are underinsured. madeealth-care industry $100 billion in profits last year. tonight, as we speak, 500,000 americans are sleeping out on the street. yet, companies like amazon, that made billions in profits, did not pay one nickel in federal income tax. tonight, half of the american people are living

paycheck-to-paycheck. yet, a 49% of all new income goes to the top 1%. tonight, the fossil fuel industry continues to receive hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks, while they destroy this planet. on trump's to take , inme, sexism, xenophobia rootsrecedented grass movement to transform our economy and government. >> thank you, senator sanders. let's start the debate with the number one issue for voters, health care. supportsanders, you medicare for all, which would take private insurance away from ine than 150 americans exchange for government-sponsored health care for everyone. tongue grossman delaney referred to it as -- congressman delaney

referred to it as bad policy and recently called it political suicide that will get president trump reelected. what do you say to congressman delaney? sen. sanders: you're wrong. [applause] sen. sanders: right now, we have a dysfunctional health care system. 87 million underinsured or uninsured. 500,000 americans every year going bankrupt, because of medical bills. while theple dying health-care industry makes tens of billions of dollars. five minutes away from here, john, is a country called canada, they guarantee health care for every man, woman and child as a human right. they spend half of what we spend. by the way, when you end up in a hospital in canada, you come out with no bill at all. health care is a human right. not a privilege.

i believe that and i will fight for that. [cheers and applause] >> congressman delaney. >> i'm right about this. basic health care for free. we don't have to go around and be the party of subtraction and tell people with private health insurance their insurance is illegal. my dad loved the health care he got from the ib w. he would never want someone to take that away. it is also bad policy and it will underfund the industry. >> thank you, congressman. sen. warren: my name was also mentioned in this. >> let me go to senator sanders right now. senator sanders. sen. sanders: the fact of the matter is tens of millions of people lose their health insurance every single year, when they change jobs or their employer changes that insurance. if you want stability in the

health care system, if you want a system that gives you freedom of choice in regards to a hospital, which is a system that will not bankrupt you, the answer is to get rid of the profiteering of drug companies and insurance companies and moved to medicare for all. gov. hickenlooper: he is talking -- >> he is talking about a different issue. why do we have to be the party of taking something away from people? they are running on telling half the country that your health insurance is illegal. it says it right in the bill. we don't have to do that. we can give everyone health care and allow people to have a choice. that is the american way. >> thank you congressman. senator warren? sen. warren: we are the democrats. we are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. that is what the republicans are trying to do. we should stop using republican

talking points in order to talk with each other about how to provide health care. i want to have a chance to tell the story about my friend, eddie. he is 35 years old and has a wife and a cute little boy named carl. he also has als and it is killing him. he has health insurance, good health insurance. and it is not nearly enough. >> i'm staying with you. but, you exceeded your time. let me stay with you on medicare for all. sen. warren: all right. >> at the last debate, you said you are with bernie for medicare for all. center sanders has said people in the minimal -- middle-class will pay more taxes though that will be offset by the 11 nation of insurance premiums and other costs. are you with bernie when it comes to raising taxes on middle-class americans? sen. warren: giant corporations and billionaires are going to pay more. families will

pay less out-of-pocket for their health care. i would like to finish talking about eddie. this isn't funny. this is somebody who has health insurance and is dying. $9,000onth, he has about in medical bills that his insurance company will cover. his wife, rachel is on the phone for hours and hours and hours, begging the insurance company, please cover what the doctors say he needs. he talks about what it is like to go online with thousands of other people to beg friends, family and strangers for money so we can cover his medical expenses. the basic profit model of an insurance company's take as much money as you can in premiums and pay as little as possible in health care coverage. that is not working for americans across this country. medicare for all will fix that. that is why i will fight for it. >> a point of clarification,

would you raise taxes on the middle class to pay for medicare for all, offset by insurance premiums, yes or no? sen. warren: costs will go up for billionaires and go up for corporations. for middle-class families, total costs will go down. >> governor bullock, i want to bring you in. you do not support medicare for all, how do you respond to senator warren? gov. bullock: health care is important to all of us. attack anda heart had to be flight into salt lake city. because we had good insurance, he is here with me tonight. at the end of the day, i will not support any plan that rips away quality health from individuals. this is an example of wishlist economics. it used to be republicans wanted to repeal and replace. democrats do as well. we can get there with a public option, negotiating drug prices. >> thank you, governor bullock.

i want to bring in mayor buttigieg on whether or not the middle-class should pay higher taxes for health care in the illumination of insurance premiums. mayor. buttigieg: we don't have to stand here speculating whether the public option will be better than the corporate options. we can put it to the test. that is the concept of my medicare for all who wanted proposal. that way, if people like me are right that the public alternative will not only be more comprehensive and affordable than corporate options, we will see americans walk away from the corporate options, into the medicare option and it will become medicare for all. >> 15 seconds on the clarification, you are willing to raise taxes on middle-class americans in order to have universal coverage with the disappearance of insurance premiums, yes or no? mayor. buttigieg: i think you can buy into it. that is the idea of medicare for all who wanted. country, if you have

health coverage, if you don't have health coverage, you are paying to double much for care. if you do have health coverage, you are paying to dublin much. >> i want to bring in congressman o'rourke. what is your response? congressman. o'rourke: the answer is no. the middle-class will not pay more in taxes in order to ensure every american is guaranteed world-class health care. i think we are being offered a false choice. some who want to improve the affordable care act at the margins. others who want a medicare for all program that will force people off of private insurance. i have a better path. medicare for america. everyone who is uninsured will enroll in medicare tomorrow. those who are insufficiently insured are enrolled in medicare. who is offering a false choice? whoou have governor bullock said we will improve the affordable care act at the margins with a public option.

you have others who are talking about taking away peoples choice for the private insurance they have for members of unions. he just said you are a false choice. gov. bullock: not at all. it took us decades of false starts to get the affordable care act. let's actually build on it. a public option allowing anyone to buy in. we pay more for prescription drugs then anyplace in the world and have nothing to show for it. negotiate prescription drug prices. that is the way that we can get there without disrupting the lives of 160 million people. everyssman. o'rourke: estimate i have seen of expanding aca leaves million of people -- millions of people uninsured and means people are not guaranteed the health care they need.

our plan ensures that everyone is enrolled in medicare or can sponsored employer insurance. when we listen to the american people, this is what they want us to do, they want everyone cover it but they want to be able to maintain choice and our plan does that. >> i want to bring in senator klobuchar. senator warren said kretz cannot win the white house -- democrats cannot win the white house with spinelessness. she said those who do not support medicare for all lack the will to fight for it. you do not support it, is she correct? sen. klobuchar: that is not correct. in one of my first debates, i was called a street fighter from the iron range by my opponent. when she said it, i said thank you. this is what i think we need to get done. we need the public option. that is what barack obama wanted and it would bring health care costs down for everyone. i just don't buy this.

i have heard candidates say that it is somehow not moral to not have that public option. senator sanders was on a public option bill last year and that optionnie, the medicaid bill. clearly, this is the easiest way to move forward quickly. i want to get things done. people can't wait. i have my friend, nicole, whose son died tried to -- trying to ration his insulin. he did not have enough money to pay for it. bernie and i have worked on pharmaceutical insurances together. author ofrs: as the the medicare bill, let me clear up one thing. if people talk about having insurance, there are millions of people who have insurance that can't go to the doctor and when they come out of the hospital, they go bankrupt. [applause] what i am talking about and

others up here are talking about is no deductibles and no copayments. jake, your question is a republican talking point. [applause] sen. sanders: by the way, the health care industry will be advertising tonight on this program. >> thank you, senator. senator warren, your turn. we have to think of this in terms of the big frame. what is the problem in washington? it works great for the wealthy. it works great for those who can hire armies of lawyers and it keeps working great for the insurance companies and the drug companies. what it is going to take is real courage to fight back against them. these insurance companies do not have a god-given right to make $23 billion in profits and suck it out about health care system. they do not have a god-given right to -- >> thank you, senator.

if we could stick to the rules of the time, that would be great. >> i'm the only one on the stage that has experience in the health care business and i don't think they understand the health care business. the public option is great but it does not go far enough. [applause] >it doesn't go far enough. i am proposing universal health care where everyone gets health care as a basic human right for free. they have choices. fully paid for without raising middle-class taxes. >> i want to bring in governor hickenlooper. i would like to hear what you have to say about senator warren's suggestion about those people on stage who are not in favor of medical care for all. gov. hickenlooper: i disagree, as much as i respect my senators. it comes down to americans being

able to make choices. the right to make a decision. proposing a public option that allows some form of medicare, that is a medication -- common nation of medicare and advantage, that people choose it, the cost comes down and more people choose it, eventually in 15 years, you could get there. it will be an evolution, not a revolution. >> thank you. senator warren. sen. warren: we have tried this experiment with the insurance comedies. they have sucked aliens of dollars out of our health care system. they have forced people to have to fight to try to get the health care coverage that their doctors and nurses say they need. why does everybody, why does every doctor, why does every hospital have to fill out so many complicated forms? because it gives insurance companies a chance to say no and to push that cost back on the patients. [applause] >> miss williamson, how do you

respond to the chris's and from senator warren that you are not willing to fight for medicare for all. from senator warren that you are not willing to fight for medicare for all. miss. williamson: i have to say. i am normally way over there with bernie and elizabeth. i hear the others. i have some concern about that as well. i do have concern about whether republicans would say -- that is not just a republican talking point preet i have concern it would be difficult. i have concern it will make it harder to win. i have concern it will make it harder to govern. if that is our big fight, the republicans will shut us down. >> mayor buttigieg. mayor. buttigieg: it is time to stop worrying about what republicans will say. [applause] mayor. buttigieg: if we embrace a far left agenda, they will say we are crazy socialists. if we embrace a conservative agenda, do you know what they will do? they will say we are a bunch of

crazy socialists. let's stand for the right policy and defendant. -- defend it. i think it is the right answer for people like my mother-in-law. senator sanders, your response? sen. sanders: let's be clear about what this debate is about. nobody can defend the dysfunctionality of the current system. what we are taking out on is the fact that over the last 20 years, the drug companies and insurance companies have spent $4.5 billion of your health insurance money on lobbying and campaign contributions. that is why, when i went to canada the other day, people paid 1/10 of the price in canada for insulin that they are paying in the united states. >> i want to bring in congressman tim ryan. your response? congressman ryan: here we are in detroit, we have our union friends here tonight.

this plan being offered by senator warren and senator sanders will tell those union members who gave away wages to get good health care, that they are going to lose their health care because washington will come in and tell them we have a better plan. new and better is this. move medicare down to 50. allow people to buy in. kaiser permanente said if those 60 million people do that, they will see a 40% reduction in their health care cost. let businesses buy in. >> let's talk about that. if medicare for all is inactive, there are more than 6000 union members in michigan who would be forced to give up their private health care plans. i understand it would provide universal health care coverage, can you guarantee those union members that the benefits under health care for all will be as good as the union reps spot hard to negotiate? sen. sanders: two things. medicare for all is calm printed and covers all needs for senior

citizens. it will include dental, hearing aids and eyeglasses. >> you don't know that. sen. sanders: i do know. i wrote the damn bill. [applause] union of all, many of our brothers and sisters, no one more prounion than me, are paying high deductibles in payments. when we do medicare for all, instead of having the company putting money into health care, they get decent wage increases which they are not getting today. >> i want to bring in congressman ryan. congressman ryan: i think senator sanders does not know all of the union contracts in the united states. i am trying to explain that these union members are losing their jobs. their wages have been stagnant. the world is crumbling around them. the only thing they have is possibly really good health care. the democratic message is going to be we are going to go in and the only think you have left, we

are going to take it and we are going to do better. i do not think it is a recipe for success for us. it is bad policy and bad politics. >> congressman delaney. congressman delaney: the bill senator sanders drafted will lower quality in health care. it says rates will be the same as medicare rates. medicare does not cover the cost of health care. it covers 80% of the cost of health care in this country. private insurance covers 120%. if you start underpaying health care providers, you will create a two tier market where wealthy people by their health care with cash and people who are forced, like my dad will have that health care plan taken away from them. >> i want to give senator sanders a chance for desk to respond. sen. sanders: under medicare for all, they will not spend a fortune doing billing and the other bureaucratic things they have to do today.

maybe you make money off of health care but i will have a nonprofit health care system. furthermore, when we say $500 billion a year, by ending all of the incredible complexities that are driving every american crazy, trying to deal with a health insurance company, they will be better off. >> we will give you a chance to respond. congressman delaney: his math is wrong. that's all i am saying. it has been well-documented that if all the bills were paid in medicare rate, in section 1200 of the bill, many hospitals in the country would close. i asked rural hospital administrators one question. if all your bills were paid at the medicare rate last year, what would happen? they all look at me and say we would close. the question is why do we have to be so extreme? why can't we give everyone health care as a right and allow them to have choice? you, congressman.

we are going to move on to the issue of immigration. there is widespread agreement on this stage on the need for immigration reform. a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrant's, including dreamers. there are some areas of disagreement. mayor buttigieg, you are in favor of getting rid of the law that makes it a crime to cross the u.s. border illegally. why won't that encourage more illegal immigration? mayor. buttigieg: when i am president, illegally crossing the border will still be illegal. we can argue the finer points on which parts should be handled by civil and criminal law. we have a crisis on our hands. it is not just a crisis of immigration, it is a crisis of on our southern border. it is a stain on the united states. we have been talking about the same framework for my entire

adult life. we know that border security can be part of the package. the problem is we have not have the will to get it done in washington. now we have a president who can exit. -- fix it. you do want to decriminalize crossing the border. it should be handled under similar law. civil law. o'rourke you live near the mexican border. please respond. congressman o'rourke: in my

administration more than 9 million of our federal -- many fear deportation and stop prosecuting families and children for seeking asylum and refuge. and for-profit detention in this country. makeo family ever has to that 2000 mile journey. i expect people who come here follow our laws and we reserve the right to criminally prosecute them. >> the problem is that right now gives donald trump the ability to take children away from their parents. ability toem the lock up people at our borders. we can continue to have border

security but what we cannot do is not give our values. i have seen the mothers and i have seen the cages of a these. we must be a country that every day lives our values. illegalu decriminalize border crossing? donald trump has been given the tool to break families apart. the hickenlooper: frustration with what is going on in washington, secure the borders and make sure whatever law we have make sure children 107 years ofhave washington experience. that does seem like it should be taxable. sen. warren: fix it should be

the criminalizing. we are looking for a way to take away that tool -- i would sayar: there is a will to change his same congress. i believe that immigrants don't diminish america, they are america. if you want to do something about border security, change the rules so people can seek asylum. then you pass the bill and what it that will do it will give us the money for border security to help process the cases and most of all it will allow for a path to citizenship. donald trump wants to use these people as political haunts what -- haunts. undocumentedo give immigrants free college.

strong border protection. what donald trump is doing through his racism and xenophobia is demonizing a group of people. as president i will end that demonization. if the mother and the child walked thousands of miles on a dangerous path they are not criminals in my view. they are people fleeing violence. the man thing we have to do among others, asking ourselves why our people walking two thousand miles to a strange country where they don't know the language. we need to bring the entire hemisphere together to talk about how we rebuild our borders so people do not have to flee their own countries. >> two thirds of democratic

giving health insurance to undocumented immigrants. you have not gone that far. theses shows how often debates are detached from people's lives. we have 100 thousand people showing up at the border right now. if we give the health care to that was president obama's homeland security secretary who said that. the biggest problem we have with immigration is donald trump. to ripsing immigration apart families and rip apart this country. we can get to the point where we borders, where we have a path to citizenship and have opportunities for dreamers. you don't have to decriminalize everything, you have to have a president with the judgment and the decency to treat someone who

comes to the border like one of our own. i think that what we have to do is we have to be an america that is clear about what we need to do about immigration. we need to create the path for citizenship not just for dreamers but for grandmothers and people who have been working here and students who of overstayed their visas. we need to fix the crisis at the border. a part of how we do that is we do not play into donald trump's hands. that is his overall message. that there is anything wrong in your life --

>> let's turn to the issue of

gun violence. there were large-scale shootings this weekend at a park in brooklyn, and he'll adopt it and deadad in gilroy -- three in gilroy. what did you specifically going to do to stop this endemic of gun violence? >> this has hit my community also. consolinge phone call grieving parents. we have a massive shootings every day in this country. what we are doing hasn't worked because we haven't had a system in washington capable of delivering what the american people want. wantf republicans background checks. and and to assault weapons things like what i carried

overseas in uniform but have no business in peacetime. what wer-old asked me were going to do about school safety and i began shaking and began crying. we already know the policies. we are supposed to be dealing with this so you don't have to. high school is hard enough without having to worry about whether you are going to get shot. governor hickenlooper? this is theooper: fundamental nonsense of government. another place where despite our best efforts we cannot seem to make any progress. i went to a movie theater in 2012 and salt what happened at the crime scene.

i will never forget it. we decided we were going to go out and take on the nra and we passed universal background checks. foreverhe basic work at -- that for whatever reason doesn't seem to get done in washington. sen. klobuchar: this is not just about a system, this is about the nra. i sat across from the president after parkland because i have been a leader on this issue. nine times hee said he wanted universal background checks. the ant a he meets with hour right and then. as your president i will not. need to do something about magazines. died-year-old by -- boy

when his dad said he is only six years old. we have to remember that. i was a junior: when columbine happened. the first of generation that saw a routine school shootings. allow to be a third. something is broken if it is do thessible to solutions that we all know. we know what to do and it has not happened. what is broken is a political system that allows the nra and big money to come in and make things happen. the people are with us now. students talk to their dance and grandfathers and they say there

must be a better way. changed. now that bill is sitting on which mcconnell's doorstep because the money and power of the nra. i will take them on as president. >> governor bullock? how can democrats trust you to be a leader on the fight of gun safety? american households are gun owner, i can't. , on far too many people 11-year-old nephew shot and killed on a playground. we need to start looking at this as a public health issue not a political issue i agree with senator klobuchar, it is the nra. it is one we talk about climate, restricting drug costs.

washington dc is captured by dark money, the koch brothers and others. after the first case citizens united up to the supreme court. that's the way we are going to make a change. system, changing that and we are not going to address until we get dark money and corporate spending out of these elections. congressman o'rourke: how else can we explain that we lose 40,000 people to gun violence? that we know what the solutions are and yet nothing has changed is because in this country money buys influence, access. the centers for disease control is prevented from studying the issue in the first place.

>> if you pass the strongest gun -- i have a d minus record voting for the nra. is i believe we have to do to take on the nra. 1988 coming from a state that had no gun control i called

for a ban on the sale and distribution of assault weapons and bios that election. i will do everything i can to take on the nra and create universal background checks, do away with the gun show loophole for gun manufacturers for selling large amounts of weapons. >> still the conversation we have been having for the last 20 years. why propose the democratic reforms that might take a difference and the electoral college, amend the constitution. people look at me funny as though this country was unable of structural reform. this is a country that wants to change, and then change it back.

>> you can make change. thirdn montana with a two republican legislature we passed a law that said you will spend you are going to have to disclose every one of those dollars in the last 90 days. coke orwe stop the others from spending it, if we could get the koch brothers out of montana, we are all taking --itional steps very issue of gun safety is that the and are a has us in a choke hold and so do the and the energy come

the knees. best companies. for politicians including my fellow candidates who have taken theens of thousands from same corporate donors to think they have the moral authority to say we will take them on, i don't think the democratic party should be per prize that so many americans believe, it is not for -- it is time for us to take over. we are going to establish permanent funding for federal campaigns. we need to have a constitutional amendment and have the legislation to do it. >> the debate will be right back after this short break. applause]

>> we are alive from detroit, michigan. you ran a facebook ad that ran, socialism is not the answer. don't let extreme skin donald trump four more years. notionckenlooper: this that he will take private insurance away from 100 million , or green new deal making sure every american is guaranteed a job, that is a disaster. focus one have to

where donald trump is failing. proper,gent and activities were doctors, lawyers or public officials. donald trump is malpractice personified. farmers get 10 good years to get back to where they were two years ago. why arewhy are we lurching frome international crisis to another. we have to focus on that and economy and jobs and training so we have a future that everybody wants to invest in. sen. sanders: the truth is that every credible poll that i have seen has may beating donald trump, including the battleground states of michigan, where i won the democratic --imary, wisconsin,

>> governor, i want you to respond. gov. hickenlooper: if we are going to force americans to make these changes, they will -- throw your hands up. governors and mayors we are the one set have to pick up all the pieces. preparation, you can't just bring a plan on the world and expect it to succeed. sen. sanders: john i was on mayor.

i have some practical experience. on interestingly enough today is the anniversary of medicare. , they started a new program after one year 19 million elderly people in it. please don't tell me an a for your. we cannot go from 65 down to 55 down to 35. this is what every other country on earth does. >> i want to bring in congressman ryan. your state went to president trump in 2016. to take a snapshot today and apply it is not accurate. we are talking about giving private health insurers away --

we have talked about giving free health care to undocumented workers when so many americans are struggling to pay for their health care. i don't think that is an agenda we can win. there are people who have not had a raise in 30 years. bernie was o'rourke: talking about some of the battleground states. 38 electoral floats. -- votes. rule we doow red or not write you off. we do not take you for granted and we had the courage of our convictions talking about universal health care cut and confronting the challenge of the climate before it is too late. now we have a chance to be donald trump.

president trump one your home state of montana by 20 points. 2500 30% of my constituents voted for donald trump. i know that we have to win back some of those that we lost. this just isn't a choice between wisheft and the center, list economics or thinking we have to suck lies our values -- sacrifice our values. the way we win is to focus on the economy and democracy. you make it a point to say you are a capitalist. would you be a safer choice and russian mark sen. warren: i know how to fight and win.

i took on giant banks and i beat them. i took on wall street and ct it -- ceos. i remember when people said barack obama could not get elected. saidember when people donald trump could not get elected. there is a lot at day and people are scared. we cannot choose a candidate we don't believe in just because we are too scared to do anything else and we can't ask other people to vote for a candidate we don't believe in. democrats win when we figure out get outright and we there and fight for it. i am not afraid. we can't bes to win afraid either. on realn when we run

things. look at detroit, this amazing city we are in. this city is turning around because the government and private sector are working well together. that has to be our model going forward. we need the kurds of collaboration -- kurdish of collaboration. building infrastructure and creating jobs -- understand: i don't why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president just to talk about while we shouldn't do and can't fight for. problem in washington is corruption. it is giant corporations that have taken our government and our holding it by the throat and

we need to have the courage to fight back against that. until we are ready to do that it is more of the same. i am ready to get in this fight and ready to win. we didn't say pensions were a legal that we can have a good ideas to transform the lives -- i've started to companies and took the public. i believe we need to have solutions that are workable. can you imagine if we tried to start social security now. that's not a big idea, that's an idea that is dead on arrival. why don't we talk about big ideas that we can get done. sen. warren: talking about

workable solutions, what is the private insurance companies done? they sucked billions of dollars out of our health care system. companies do not have the right to suck money out of our health care system. detroit was: mentioned and i am glad to detroit is rebounding. detroit was nearly destroyed because of awful trade policy which allowed corporations in this community out on the streets. to win this election and defeat donald trump is not going to be easy. we need to have a campaign of energy and excitement and a

vision. young people>> thank you senat. i wants to bring in senator klobuchar at the beginning of the night, you said you would hear a lot of promises on the stage. previously you had said, "a lot of people are making promises, and i will not make promises just to get elected." who on the stages making promises just to get elected. sen. klobuchar: everyone wants to get elected. the point is when we have a guy in a white house who has told 10,000 lies we have to be straightforward. do i think that we are going to voting for and up plant that will kick america off of their current insurance, i do not think we will do that.

there is a better way to do what we want to see. do i think that i will vote to -- that we will give free college to the wealthiest kids, i do not think that we will do that. what i do not like about this argument at all is that we are more worried about winning an argument than an election. how we win an election is to bring everyone with us. i have won an estate every single time, those congressional districts that donald trump won. he just targeted minnesota last week and i have done it i talking to people and knowing rural and farm issues and bringing metro people in a state that has the highest voter turnout in the country. >> i want to bring congressman o'rourke. congressman o'rourke: a big part of leadership and showing our leadership is delivering on our commitments.

when i learned that the el paso v.a. had the worst wait times for mental health care, meaning that care delayed functionally became care denied and was related to the suicide epidemic, we turned around the v.a.. we took that lesson nationally. republican and democratic colleagues to expand mental health care and we got it signed into law with donald trump to show that at the end of the day we will put the american people first before party and any concern. >> thank you. we have been asking voters to weigh in on what they most like to hear democrats debate, they crisis.the climate congressman delaney, you say the green new deal about as realistic as trump saying mexico will pay for the wall. scientists say we need to eliminate fossil fuel, -- fossil 2052 avoidion by

destruction. why is this plan not realistic? congressman delaney: it ties its progress to things unrelated to climate like universal health care, and universal basic income. that makes it harder to do. byplan gets us to net zero 2050, which we absolutely have to do. i put a price on carbon and take the money and give it back to the people in a dividend. that was introduced on a bipartisan basis. it is the only significant bipartisan bill in the congress. i will increase the department of energy research budget fivefold, because we have to innovate our way out of this problem. i will trade a market for direct air capture, machines that take carbon out of the atmosphere, because i do not think we will get to net zero by 2050. i will increase investment in renewable worlds and create the climate core, that is a plan

that is a bet on the private innovation economy and creates incentives to get us to net zero. >> senator warren, you are a cosponsor of the green new deal. climate crisis is the existential crisis. it puts every living thing on this planet at risk. i have a plan for a green industrial policy that takes advantage of the fact that we do what we do best, which is innovate. inropose putting $2 trillion so we do the research and cite anyone in the world can use it as long as you build it in america, and it will produce about 1.2 million manufacturing jobs in michigan, ohio, and in the industrial midwest. the second thing is that we will sell those products all around the world, right now for every one dollar united states spends

trying to market around the world, china is spending $100 per. -- $100. gov. hickenlooper: i think the guarantee for a public job for everyone who wants one is a distraction. i share the urgency of everyone up here, everyone has got good ideas, what we do in this country is no better than a best practice. template, it has to be done all over the world. we have to be building bridges with people in china, we need to work on that, but not with a tariff system. we need every country working together if we will deal with lemon change in a realistic way. sen. warren: i put a real policy on the table, to create 1.2 million new jobs in green manufacturing, a $23 trillion

worldwide market. this could revitalize huge cities across this country. no one wants to talk about it. what you want to do is find the republican talking point of a made up piece of some other part and say we do not really have to do anything. that is the problem we have got in washington. washingtons to be a that works great for oil companies, not for people worried about climate change. >> congressman ryan, we are here in michigan where there are 180,000 workers in auto manufacturing. senator sanders is cosponsoring a bill that would eliminate new gas powered car sales by 2040. given the number of auto manufacturing workers, how concerned are you about the plan? congressman ryan: if we get our act together, we will not have to worry about it.

my idea is to start a chief manufacturing officer that will pull the government, department of energy, department of transportation, and work with the private sector and investors to dominate the electric vehicle market. china dominates it right now. i want us to dominate the battery market, charging stations, solar panels, the same thing. the solarnates 60% of market. we will start making things again, you cannot get there unless we talk about agriculture. we need to convert industrial agriculture over to a sustainable and regenerative agriculture system that sequesters carbon into the soil. you can go ask gabe brown, and alan williams who make money off of regenerative agriculture so we can move away from subsidies that we are giving farmers. they have not made a profit in

five years and we can start getting good food into our schools and communities which will drive health care down. that is another part of the conversation we did not have. why did we start talking about health and not just disease care. sen. sanders: i get a little bit tired of democrats afraid of big ideas. republicans are not afraid of big ideas. in taxn give $1 trillion breaks to billionaires and profitable corporations. they can bailout the crooks on wall street. these do not tell me that we cannot take on the fossil fuel industry and nothing happens unless we do that. here is the bottom line. we have to ask ourselves a simple question, what do you do ,ith an industry that knowingly for billions of dollars, is destroying this planet? i say it is criminal activity and that cannot be allowed.

>> thank you. your response. say wean: i didn't couldn't get there by 2040, all i am saying is that we have to invent our way out of this thing. bane are waiting for 2044 a comment,or a ban to we are screwed. we have to get busy now. align environmental and financial incentives and make sure that people can make money off of the new technologies moving forward. here's what i will do, cut the worker in on the deal. make sure these are union jobs and i will double union membership to make sure the jobs pay what the old fossil fuel jobs paid. sen. sanders: on this issue, my friends, there is no choice. we have got to be super aggressive if we love our children, and if we want to

leave them a planet that is healthy and habitable. i do not disagree with tim. that means we have to take on the fossil fuel industry, and transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy, and a hell of a lot of good union jobs if we do that. we have to transform our transportation system and lead the world because this is not just an american issue. gov. bullock: all of us agreed that we have to address climate change. no one is talking about that the republicans will not acknowledge that it is real. that is because of the corrupting influence of money. that his -- has been the fight of my career. to this cleanon energy economy, you have to recognize folks spent the whole

-- their whole lives powering the country. democrats often sound like they are part of the problem. we have to aid in those transitions as we get to a carbon neutral world. >> just to clarify, who is part of the problem? democratsck: i think when they are saying these fossil fuel industries, workers, coal miners, the world is changing and we have got to make a change. i think democrats sound as the people shower at the end of the day, that they are part of the problem. far too many communities are being left behind as we make this transition. we are having this discussion and we can talk about competing. >> i want to give senator sanders a chance to respond. nobody is more strongly pro-worker than i. when i talk about taking on the fossil fuel industry is i am

talking about a just transition. -- the green new deal is a bold idea. we can create millions of good paying jobs and rebuild communities in rural america that have been devastated. we are not anti-worker, we will make sure those workers have a transition. >> your response? gov. bullock: i was a union side labor worker. i saw -- i thought day after day. i know, but we set this up as a false choice. climateoing to adjust change? or are we going to give people a better shot at a better life? you can do both, let us have the scientists drive this, but is not just talk about plans written for press releases that will go nowhere else if we cannot get a republican to acknowledge that the climate is

changing. congressman o'rourke: i have spoken with the scientists on this, we do not have more than 10 years to get this right. we will not meet that challenge with half measures or only half the country. we have got to bring everyone in. the people in detroit and flint they want the challenge and they want to create the future. those community college students that i met in new mexico understand that wind and solar jobs are the fastest growing jobs. me for in iowa say pay the services of keeping more land in conservation easements. that is how we meet the challenge, we bring everyone into the solution. all putttigieg: we have out highly similar visions on climate, it is all theoretical. we will deal with climate if and only if we win the presidency, if and only if we beat president trump.

you get to see the president of the united states stand that's to an american war veteran and explain why he chose to pretend to be disabled when it was his chance to serve. we will have a different conversation with american voters about why the president of the united states thinks you are a sucker the problem is your paycheck is not going up nearly as fast as the cost of housing or education, or prescription drugs and he has done nothing about it. you aboutto ask something that cnn heard from a michigan democratic primary voter. birmingham, michigan, is this question. what is your plan to address infrastructure and the water issues? sen. klobuchar: i was just in flint, and they are still drinking bottled water, and that is outrageous. my plan, and i am the first one who came out with an

infrastructure plan, and i did this because it is a bread-and-butter issue. i think the governor in michigan ran on the slogan fix the damn roads. it is an issue for union jobs. we need to not have a president who promised he would do that on election night and then has not followed through. he blew up a meeting at the white house. i would put $1 trillion into it and i would pay for it by changing the capital gains rate and doing something when it comes to the regressive tax bill that left everyone behind but mary -- made his mar-a-lago friends richer. i would put that into rural broadband and green infrastructure so you will not have the jefferson chalmers neighborhood that was african-american and most hit when you had those recent rainstorms. i truly believe that he will

move on infrastructure and climate change you need a voice from the heartland. >> ms. williamson, what is your response? ms. williamson: flint is just the tip of the iceberg. i was recently in south carolina where there is a lot of talk about it being the next flint. we have an administration that has gutted the clean water act and communities of color and disadvantaged communities all over this country suffering from environmental injustice. whated in rose point, happened in flint would not have happened there. this is part of the dark underbelly of american society. the hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, and i am a friend that -- afraid that the democrats are seeing dark days. it is bigger than flint, it is

particularly people of color and money -- and no money to fight back. why would those people feel if they are there for us if democrats do not say it? >> thank you very much. we want to turn to the issue of race in america. president trump is pursuing a reelection strategy based in part on racial division. how do you to convince primary voters that you would be the best nominee to take on president trump and he'll the race -- heal the racial divide? congressman o'rourke: we will call his racism out and talk about the consequences. it just does not offend the sensibilities to say send her back about a member of congress, because she has a woman of color , because she has a muslim american. it does not offend our sensibilities when he calls mexican immigrants rapists or criminals or seeks to ban muslims from our shore.

this also changing country. hate crimes are on the rise, every single one of the last three years. on the day that he signed his executive order attempting to ban muslim travel, a mosque in victoria, texas was burned to the ground. we must not only stand up against donald trump, we must ensure that we do not tolerate or respect our differences, embrace them. that is what we have learned in our home -- in my hometown, one of the safest cities not despite, but because it is a city of immigrants, and refugees. we will show that diversity is our strength. >> governor hickenlooper, why are you the best nominee to heal the racial divide? gov. hickenlooper: the value behind this entire country's history is working towards a more perfect union, that all people are created equal, and we have fallen away from that.

we have to make the convincing case that we can deliver an urban agenda that represents progress in schools. colorado, when i was mayor, we got to universal pre-k. 10did major police reform years before ferguson. five years after ferguson, we do not have anything. we created a scholarship fund for every kid. you have to deliver a vision like that for the country. last week the fbi director said that the majority of the mystic terrorism cases have been motivated by white supremacy. the lead shooter in this attack in gilroy, california referenced a well-known white supremacist book. how will you combat the rise of white supremacy? sen. warren: we need to call it andas domestic terrorism poses a threat to the united states of america. where the a country

president is enhancing racism. fighty we do better is to back and show something better. i have a plan on education that says we have to build a better education system for all of our kids, but we have to acknowledge what has happened on race. my plan has universal tuition free college for all of our kids, but increases the pell grants and levels the playing field by putting $50 billion into historically black colleges and universities. debt fors student loan a 95% of the kids with student loan debt and helps close the wealth gap in america. >> thank you. forhave been criticized your handling of racial issues in your home city from diversity in the police force to housing policy.

how can you convince african-americans that you should be the nominee? urbanbuttigieg: as an mayor serving a diverse community, the racial divide lives within me. i am not saying i became mayor and racism crown, crime, or poverty -- racism, crime, poverty has ended on my watch. we have come together to tackle challenges like the fact that people were not getting enough to get houses. in the wake of a police involved shooting, our community is moving towards healing by making sure that the community can participate by revising the use of force policy and making sure that there are voices on the board of safety that handles police matters. i propose a douglas plan to tackle this issue because mayors have hit the limits of what you can do. systemic racism has touched

every part of american life from housing, health, and homeownership. if you walk into an emergency room and you are black, your reports of pain will be less -- will be taken less seriously. it is what i have proposed we do everything from investing in redline neighborhoods to build black wealth and homeownership to supporting entrepreneurship. >> senator klobuchar. what do you say to those voters who prioritize the economy over the president's bigotry? there are people who voted for donald trump before that are race -- are not racist, they wanted a better shake in the economy. i would appeal to them. i do not think anyone can justify what this president is doing. ontle kids woke up, turned the tv and saw their president calling their city nothing more than a home for rats. i can tell you, as your

president,. . is second thing i would say that economic opportunity means economic opportunity for everyone. that means, when we put out there better childcare and more,ion and pay teachers and make sure there is a decent retirement system, we help the african-american community because they have been the ones most hurt by what we have seen in the last decades. we help everyone. what i say to the people in the rural parts of my state, just like i say to them in the city is that economic opportunity must be there for everyone. >> please respond. congressman o'rourke: i want to acknowledge something that we are touching on, the foundation of this country, that way we became the greatest country on the face of the planet was on the backs of those kidnapped and brought here by force. the legacy of slavery,

segregation, jim crow, and suppression is alive and well in every aspect of the economy and the country today. as president i will sign into law a new voting rights act, address health care disparities but signed into law the reparation bill so we can have the national conversation we have waited too long to have. >> speaking of reparations, ms. williamson, many of your opponents supported a commission to study reparations for slavery. what makes you qualified to determine how much is owed in reparations? ms. williamson: it is not $500 billion, it is $500 billion payment of a debt that is owed. that is what reparations is. we need to do some truth telling, not another permission to look at evidence. i appreciate what congressman o'rourke has said, it is time

for us to realize that this --ntry will not when it comes to the economic gap between blacks and whites, it comes from an injustice that has never dealt with, and has to deal with the fact that there were 250 years of slavery followed by 100 years of domestic terrorism. there were four to five million slaves at the end at the civil war, and they were promised 40 acres and the mule. if you did the math today it would be trillions of dollars. anything less than $100 billion i believe thatnd it is politically feasible today --ause

>> senator sanders. you do not think cash payments are the best way to address this issue. in of african-americans are favor of cash payments to black americans descendents of slaves, how do you respond to that? sen. sanders: i respond by saying i am supportive of jim clyburn's legislation. with that and -- what that understands that as a result of slavery and segregation, and institutional racism that we see now in health care, education, financial services, we are going to have to focus big time on rebuilding distressed communities in america including african-american communities. i also have a plan. it is called the thurgood marshall plan.

ending thecus on growth of segregated schools. it would triple funding for title i schools. it would make sure that teachers in this country earned at least $60,000 a year. >> senator sanders, thank you very much. the debate continues after the short break. [applause] >> welcome back to the cnn presidential democratic debate, live from detroit. let us turn to the economy. congressman ryan, president trump's tariffs have boosted the industry but hurt manufacturers in michigan. as president would you continue president trump's steel tariffs? rep. ryan: i think president trump was onto something when he talked about china. china has been abusing the economic system for a long time. they steal intellectual property, they subsidize goods,

they have displaced steel and autoworkers, and we transferred our middle class either up to the top 1%, or to china for them to build their military. i think we need some targeted response against china. how do you beat china? you out compete them. i would put a chief manufacturing officer in place to rebuild the manufacturing base. we need to rebuild these factories that used to make cars and steel, and fill them with workers making electric vehicles, batteries, charging stations, and solar panels. dominates 50% to 60% of the electric vehicle market. we will make 10 million electric vehicles somewhere in the world, and i want them made in the united states. we will have a chief manufacturer to drive this. >> as president would you continue the steel tariffs, yes or no? rep. ryan: i will have to reevaluate.

i think some of them are effective, but he has bungled the whole thing. here's the problem, he has a move, and what is the grand strategy for the united states. --na has 100 >> congressman delaney, your response? congressman delaney: president trump wants to build physical walls and beats up on immigrants. most of the folks running for president wants to build economic walls to free-trade and beat up on president obama. i am the only one running for president who actually supports the transpacific partnership. president obama was right about that. we should be getting back in that. senator warren issued a trade plant that would prevent the united states from trading with its allies. we cannot isolate ourselves from

the world, we have to engage. >> thank you. please respond. sen. warren: for decades we have had a trade policy that has been written by multinational corporations to help multinational corporations. to america, loyalty no patriotism. if they can say a nickel by moving a job to mexico they will do it in a heartbeat. if they can continue a polluting plant by moving it vietnam, they will do it in a heartbeat. i have put out a plan that said we will not do it that way. atwill negotiate with unions the table, small businesses at the table, with small farmers and environmentalists at the table, with human rights activists at the table. we will use the fact that everybody in the world wants to get to america's markets. -- everyone want's to get to

americans markets. >> please abide by the rules. congressman delaney. congressman delaney: that was the transpacific partnership. i think president obama was right. he included environmental and labor standards. we would be in a entirely different position. we cannot isolate ourselves from the world. we cannot isolate ourselves from asia. senator warren's plan that she put out, we would not be able to trade with the united kingdom, we would not be able to trade with e.u.. it is so extreme that it will isolate america from the rest of the world. senator sanders, please let senator warren respond. the warren: what congressman is describing as extreme is having deals that are negotiated by american workers

for american workers. american workers want those jobs, and we can build the trade deals that do it. people want access to our markets around the world, and the answer is that us make them raise their standards and pay their workers more and let their workers unionized. raise their environmental standards before they come to us and say they want to be able to sell their products. right now the whole game is working for the big, multinationals. it is not working for the people in the united states. >> congressman o'rourke, your response. congressman o'rourke: the question was about tariffs, and they are a huge mistake. they constitute the largest tax increase, hitting the middle class and working poor especially hard. farmers in iowa and across the country are bearing the brunt of the consequences. when have we ever gone to war without allies and friends, and

partners? we will hold china accountable but bring our allies and friends and negotiate trade deals that favor farmers and american workers and protect human rights, the environment, not just labor in the united states. >> senator sanders, please respond. sen. sanders: you are looking, i believe, at the only member of congress who not only voted against lee's disaster's trade agreements, nafta and pete ntr -- p ntr which cost us 4 million jobs but also help lead the effort against these agreements. anybody here thinks that corporate america gives one damn about the average american worker, you are mistaken. if they can save five cents by going to china, mexico, and vietnam, that is what they will do. as president, these guys will

line up and they want military contracts and all kinds of contracts. under my administration you are not going to get those contracts if you throw american workers on the streets. >> governor hickenlooper, your chance to respond. gov. hickenlooper: congressman delaney has a point and there is a way of looking at a trade that is therapeutic. you talk to any economist and there is not a single example where a trade war had a winner. trade wars are for losers. let us negotiate a better trade deal, but you will not win against china when they have 25% of our total debt. trump gives a giant tax cut at the same time so we are paying in tariffs about $800 to $1200 per household and we give this intrepid -- tax cut to the rich. what is happening is that he has transferred that tax obligation onto the middle class. tariffs are not the solution. >> senator warren.

sen. sanders: anyone who thinks that these trade deals are about tariffs does not understand what is going on. what is thea 2.0, central feature, to help pharmaceutical companies get --g make more profits. that is what trade deals have become, they have become a way for multinationals to change the regulatory environment so they can suck more profits up for themselves, and to leave the american people behind. we have to have the courage to fight back against that. >> governor bullock, your response. gov. bullock: a farmer said to me every time the trump -- that trump tweets we lose hundreds of thousands of dollars. if montana had all of the wheat that we produced, every montana and have to eat -- montanan

would have to eat 40 lows -- loaves of bread. warren,with senator corporations can move capital easy, workers cannot. we need to make sure that our trade deals are protective. think about the workers, they cannot be the stepchild. tariffs,o do it with that is not how we get a fair deal for farmers anywhere or the manufacturers in detroit. thank you. >> standby, please. mayor buttigieg, on thursday agm plant. production, the latest auto plant to productions. this comes as part of the modernization plans which will eventually result in 6000 hourly workers losing their jobs are being reassigned. what is your plan for retraining workers whose jobs are at risk? mayor buttigieg: this happened

in my community 20 years before i was born. when i was growing up we were picking up the pcs, empty factories and empty houses. i know exactly what happens to a community and these closures take place. it is why we need to put the interest of workers first. we need to do retraining and we should continue to do it. this is bigger than a trade fight, this is a moment when the economy is changing before our eyes. there are people in the economy that go through more jobs in a week than my parents went through in their lifetime. allow gigposed to workers to unionize because a gig is a job and a worker is a worker. we have to respond to all of these changes, and in addition to confronting check -- tech and supporting workers. some of this is low-tech like the minimum wage is too low, and conservative christian senators right now in the senate are blocking a bill to raise the minimum wage when scripture says

that whoever oppresses the poor taunts maker. >> thank you very much. congressman delaney, i am coming to you now. your estimated net worth is more than $65 million which would make you subject to senator warren's proposed wealth tax. wealth taxk that her is a fair way to fund childcare and education? congressman delaney: i think wealthy americans have to pay more. i am the first in my family to go to college and i became a successful entrepreneurial. i supported thousands of entrepreneurs around the country and i have done well. i think i should pay more. i think wealthy americans should pay more. we need to have a real solution, which is to raise the capital gains rates. there is no reason for people -- white people who invest for a living should pay more than people who work for a living.

it is the biggest loophole. we act like wealthy individuals are endangered species, and if we raise their taxes they will not invest. that is crazy. that is how we get more revenues, we rollback the tax cons -- cuts to wealthy individuals. in wealth tax will be fought court forever, and the countries who have had it have largely abandoned it because it is impossible to implement. real solutions, raise the capital gains tax and rollback the taxes, that we can do in the first few months. sen. warren: i have proposed a wealth tax, it is time to do that. ofis time to tax the top 1% fortunes in the country. your first $50 million you can 50,000,001str dollar, you have to pinch --

kitchen two cents. we can provide universal childcare for every baby in this country. we can provide universal pre-k for every three-year-old and four-year-old. -- theraise the rages wages of every childcare worker and preschool teacher. we can provide universal tuition free college. we can put $50 billion into our historically black colleges and universities and we can cancel student loan debt were 95% of the people who have it and start to close the wealth gap. it tells you how badly broken this economy is that two cents from the wealthiest in this country will let us invest in the rest of america. congressman delaney: this is not about whether wealthy americans should pay more, i think we are in agreement, it is a question if you have a real solution. we can raise the capital gains rate to match the ordinary income.

last president do that -- to do that is ronald reagan. it will double the earned income tax credit. i have called for the expansion of universal pre-k so that every american has universal pre-k and i do it through a tax on high net worth individuals. we do not need to come up with new taxes. >> i want to turn to the issue of student debt. we will turn to the issue of student debt. mayor buttigieg we have talked about how you and your husband are paying down six figures of student loan debt. proposal,tor sander's yours would be wiped away, why do we not support that? then -- mayor buttigieg: the next day, there would be students wondering why are they are not -- why they are not getting their debt wiped away two. we can get that by compelling states to pick up the burden.

moreack end we can make it affordable and extend a public service loan forgiveness program is a program that is impossible to get access to right now. we can take the steps and have an approach that is actually fair. if we want to start wiping away student debt, here is where i would start, with the for-profit colleges that took advantage of people. the moment i redeployed myspace book -- my facebook add feed for fouriving ads profit college. president trump did away with the obama error -- arrow -- era. those colleges that turned the department of education into a predatory lender, that is where we should get rid of loans. sen. sanders: you want to give -- as a matter of fact i do.

issue that we don't talk about in congress we do not talk in the media, it is the massive level of wealth and economy in america. you have three people who have more wealth than the bottom 90%. wealth 1% that owns more . 41% of income goes to the top 1%. early in airs do not pay one nickel in federal income tax. we have 500,000 people sleeping on the street. what we need is a political revolution that tells these billionaires that corporate americanshat they are and they will participate in our society but they have to pay their fair share of taxes. >> miss williamson, you are proposes -- prosing to make college free for qualified students. should the government pay for children from wealthier families to go to college.

ms. williamson: i think domestic and international policy should be based on the idea that anything we do to help people thrive as a stimulation to our economy. so, if a few people take advantage, there are four or five people that they will take money they have in the bank. when you look at this college debt, this is why i agree with it?ie, why don't we swap we had a tax cut where $.83 of every dollar goes to the richest among us that does not stimulate the economy. if we get rid of this college debt, think of the young people will have discretionary spending and be able to start their business. the best thing to stimulate the u.s. economy is to get rid of this debt. this is not a plan to do it, it is a philosophy of governing. democrats,y you are you seem to think there is something wrong with using the instruments of government to

help people. all policy should help people thrive, that is how we will have peace and prosperity. >> congressman o'rourke you do not support free four year college. congressman o'rourke: i support three two year college, earned that associate's degree. unlike some of the other candidates, that is not just for tuition, that his room, books, and board, the full cost of being able to better yourself. and then for the schoolteacher who in many places as working a second or third job, full forgiveness for their outstanding student loan debt, for forgiveness for the person working at bva and we do not do that at the expense of unions. anmake it easier to join apprenticeship and learn a skill that you can command for the rest of your life. sen. klobuchar: i want to make it easier for kids to go to college and i think we do it by

focusing our resources on the people who need it most. my problem with some of these plans is that they would pay for wealthy kids and wall street kids to go to college. it says everyone is free. i do not think that makes sense and i am concerned that if we do things like that, the debt we will pass on to the next generations. but i would do is that i would allow people to refinance at a better rate and make sure that we improve those student low read -- loan repayment programs for teachers and expand them so over five to 10 years can get it paid for if you go into occupations where we do not have enough workers. we need to mash but we were talking about with the economy with our education policy. >> i want to turn to foreign policy. president trump has argued that the united states cannot continue to be "the policeman of the world." you said the exact same thing in 2016.

if motors are hearing the same message from you and president trump on the issue of the terry intervention, how can they expect for you to be different? sen. sanders: trump is a pathological liar, i tell the truth. afghanistan 18 , 16 to 17ak, -- iraq years. we have spent 5 trillion war -- $5 trillion on the war and terror and there are more terrorists out there now. past a $715,000 military budget, more than the next 10 countries combined. what we need is a foreign policy byt focuses on diplomacy sitting at a table, not by killing each other. i will go to the united nations and not in a great it, not

attack the u.n., but ring company -- countries together all over the world to come to terms with their differences and solve those problems peacefully. united states cannot be the policeman of the world. >> governor hickenlooper, how do you respond? gov. hickenlooper: we share the recognition of the incredible cost. people do not realize that half the soldiers that fought in iraq and afghanistan were national guard. we sent them off in their hangers,ts, big, noisy that i'm more in -- mourn with their families when they do not come back. we are able to have constant engagement, we should have a diplomatic approach where we are talking to everybody. if we are going to deal with climate change, cybersecurity and nuclear proliferation, we need to talk to everyone. >> i want to go to congressman

ryan and turned to the subject of north korea, which hours ago launched two short -- short range ballistic missiles for the second time in less than a week. you said that you would not meet with north korean dictator kim jong-un unless you were close to a deal. senator klobuchar says that she "would always be willing to meet with leaders to discuss policies." is that view wrong? rep. ryan: i think she is wrong on this one, i do not think presidents of the united states meet with dictators. he saw what happened with president trump. he goes to the demilitarized zone with the leader of north korea, gives him a huge photo op, gives him global credibility because the most powerful person in the world is meeting with him and weeks later he is lobbing more missiles. we have got to demilitarized our foreign policy, we have to make sure we are engaging our foreign

-- these countries all the time. this is difficult work, i sit on the defense appropriations and armed services committees. this is tedious work and much of it on outside the eye of the tv canada. -- camera and as resident you have to be diligent with that. do not give a date date or a huge win. he is cutting the state department budget, guatemala and el salvador, where the migrants are coming from, fix the problem at its source. sen. klobuchar: i think we agree, i think you have to leave open the possibility of meeting with anyone at any place. what i do not like is how this president has handled it. you heard of the truman and munro doctrine, he has done the go it alone doctrine. he took it out of the time change agreement, russian nuclear agreement and i do not

agree with that. when he was with vladimir putin at the g20 when he was asked about invading our democracy, he made a joke, hundreds of thousands of americans have lost their lives to protect our democracy and our right to vote. four little girls in birmingham alabama lost their lives in a church. we should put our country first, not the russians. afghanistand in where two servicemembers were killed. servicee 14,000 u.s. members and afghanistan. you said "one thing everyone can agree on is that we are getting out of afghanistan." will you withdraw all u.s. service members by the end of your first year in office? mayor buttigieg: we have to. >> in your first year? mayor buttigieg: around the world we will do whatever it takes to keep america safe, but

i thought i was one of the last troops leaving afghanistan when i thought i was turning out the lights years ago. every time i see news about someone being killed in afghanistan i think about what it was like to hear an explosion and wonder if it was somebody i served with. we are pretty close to the day where we will wake up to the news of a casualty in afghanistan who was not born on 9/11. i was sent into that war by a congressional authorization as well as the president. we need to talk about not only a president can it -- committed to the factdless war, but that congress has been asleep at the switch. i will propose that any authorization for the use of military force have a three year sunset and have to be renewed. if men and women have the courage to go serve, men in -- men and women in congress have to have the courage to vote on

it. >> returning to the question of whether you will withdraw all u.s. service members from afghanistan during your first year in office, how do you respond? congressman o'rourke: in my first term in office, there is nothing about perpetuating this war already in its 18th year that will make it better. we have satisfied the reasons for our involvement in the first place, and it is time to bring those service members back home, , yemen, somalia, and syria, there is no reason for us to be in war all over the world. we will not send more u.s. service members overseas to sacrifice their lives and take the lives of others in our name. we can resolve these challenges peacefully. >> governor hickenlooper, you said that you are open to keeping service members in afghanistan the on your first term. gov. hickenlooper: i look at it

as a humanitarian issue. you are looking at the condition of women, if we completely pull our troops out of there, you will see a humanitarian disaster that will startle and frighten every man, woman, and child. over 400ave troops in different locations around the world, most of them are peacekeeping and not greatly at risk. we will have to be in afghanistan, get the progress. he will turn our backs and walk away from people who risk our lives to help us and build a different future for that part of the world? makenator warren, want to it u.s. policy that the u.s. will never use a you -- a nuclear weapon unless another country uses one first. president obama consider that policy but decided against it. why should the u.s. its own hands? sen. warren: because it makes the world safer. the united states is not going

to use nuclear weapons preemptively, and we need to say so to the entire world. it reduces the likelihood that someone miscalculate and misunderstands. our first responsibility is to keep ourselves safe, and what is happening right now with donald trump, if they keep expanding the different ways we have nuclear weapons and the ways they can be used, it puts us at risk. we talk about what is happening around the world, i have three older brothers who served, i see that they will do anything. our military is the best on earth, but we should not be asking our military to take on jobs that do not have a military solution. we need to use diplomatic tools, economic tools, and if we are going to send someone into war, we have to have a plan for them to get out on the other end. >> governor bullock, your

response to the proposal for the u.s. to never use a nuclear weapon first. gov. bullock: i would not want to take it off the table. look, never, i hope, certainly in my term or anyone else would we get close to pulling that trigger. by the same token, america's strength, and this president has made america alone. our allies no longer trust us. coming from a position of strength we should be negotiating down so there are not nuclear weapons and drawing those lines in the sand at this point i would not do. sen. warren: we don't expand trust around the world by saying we might be the first ones to use a nuclear weapon. that puts the entire world at risk and puts us at risk. donald trumpe when is pulling out of our nuclear

negotiations, expanding the opportunities for nuclear proliferation around the world it has pulled us out of the deal. on its nuclear weapon, the world gets closer to nuclear -- need to make that clear. we will respond if someone else does, but not first. gov. bullock: part i agree with. we need to get back to nuclear reducing them. at the same time, and have north korea, when you have others, i do not want to turn around and say detroit has to be gone before we would ever use that, when so many crazy folks are getting close to having a nuclear weapon, i do not to think i will strike this country, and i and we of the

united states would not do a thing. part of the strength is the ability to deter. >> thank you. moving on. please, senator. moving on. as you know, to serve as president of the united states you have to be at least 35 years old. mayor buttigieg, you just qualify, you are 37, standing next to you is the oldest candidate, at age 77. should voters take into consideration age when choosing a presidential candidate? mayor buttigieg: i do not care how old you are, i care about your vision. it matters that we have a new generation of leaders stepping up around the world, leaders like -- i think it is good that the prime minister of new zealand has gotten a lot of attention. she is masterful and younger than i will be when i take office. this is a trend that america might be leading, only if it is

backed by the right vision. we can have great presidents at any age. we need the kind of vision that will win, not the vision that amounts to back to normal, the only reason we got this president is that normal did not work. you have to be ready to take on this president. something that has not been talked about, take on his enablers in congress. congressd duke ran for or for governor, the republican party ran away from him. today they are supported making -- naked racism. if you are watching this at home and you are a republican member of congress, consider the fact that when the sun sets on your career and they are writing your story of all the good and bad things you did in your life, the thing you will be remembered for is that if in this moment you found the courage to stand up to him where you continue to put party of our country. >>

>> pete is right. it is a question of vision. among other things, says that if we are going to fight for health care, we don't take money from of the drug companies or the insurance companies. i have asked all of the candidates who are running to say they will not accept money from those entities who, in my view, are going to war against the american people in terms of health care. that is a new vision. my new vision says that we must cancel completely student debt because the younger generation in this country today, for the first time in modern american history, will have a lower standard of living than their parents. >> thank you, senator sanders.

continues right after this short break. back to the cnn democratic presidential debate. we have covered a lot of ground tonight. it is time for closing statements. was raised in single-parent household, at times paycheck to paycheck. only knew there was a governor's house in town because i delivered newspapers to it, so i have made it about four blocks in life. worked my way through college, paid my way through law school. i had a chance to actually go from delivering newspapers to the governor's house as a kid to not raising our three kids and it. we got to recognize for far too many people now in america that that shot no longer exists. and for far too many in this country, it never has. i'm running for president to

beat donald trump, win back the places we lost and make sure that americans know that where washington has left them behind in the economy, i will be there. this is not a choice between center and left or about -- we do not have to choose between what we don't want and what we cannot afford. folks want a different way. they want to believe the economy and our democracy can work for us. that is why i am running for president. justs, our problem is not that we need to defeat donald trump. we need a plan to solve institutionalized hatred, and white nationalism. we need more than political insider game and walking us -- and wonkiness an intellectual argument. we need some radical truth telling. we need to have a serious conversation about race.

even on the subject of foreign policy, it is all about symptoms and not about cause. the united states has sacrificed our moral leadership. -- the fact that country cs not only domestically but internationally, with policies that simply support our corporate overlords. the fact that our national defense agenda is driven more by short-term profits for defense contractors than by genuine peace building. until the democratic party is ready to speak to the deeper corruption, i am afraid those who vote for trump will continue to vote for trump and those who might not like donald trump will continue to stay home. i want to politics that goes much deeper. i want to politics that speaks to the heart because the only fight fight -- you cannot dog whistles. you have to override them. the only way you can override them is with new voices, was his

of energy that only come from the fact that america has been willing to live up to our own mistakes, make amends for our own mistakes, love each other, love our democracy, love future generations, something emotional and psychological that will not be emerging from anything on this stage. --will emerge from something i am the one who is qualified to bring forth. >> john f. kennedy famously said we should not seek the republican answer. we should not seek the democratic answer. we should seek the right answer. he was right when he said it and he is right today as well. of ad trump is the symptom disease and the disease is divisiveness. i'm the only one on the stage talking about curing that disease, which -- with big ideas like national service, by focusing on actually solving problems. if we were together, we can fix health care and build infrastructure. we can invest in not just

technology, but people and entrepreneurs, whether they be in storm lake, iowa, or detroit, michigan, or baltimore, maryland. it with real solutions, not impossible promises. isn't it time we had a president who was a leader in both the private sector and government to lead us into the future? i promise, as president, i will restore vision, unity, and leadership, and decency to this country. and that is why i'm running for president. thank you. all of the minutes, pundits are going to be looking at this debate and saying, who captured the left lane and who captured the center lane and who captured the moderate lane? level, inight, at some captured your imagination. your imagination about what this country could be like if we

united, if we put together real policy -- policies that were not left or right, but when better. -- but new and better. that is how we win the future. an education system that focuses on the trauma of our kids. there is not going to be a savior. not going to be a superstar that's going to fix all of this. it's going to be you and me. it's going to be us. that's how we fix this country, you and i coming together to do big things, to imagine the new country that we want by coming together, not left or right. new and better. thank you. and what a night. i loved it. i would like to ask every american to imagine that you are

facing life-threatening surgery tomorrow. would you choose a doctor who had a track record of proven success, who had done the work, or someone who just talked about it? that is the question we are facing in this primary. i actually have a track record as a small business owner, as a mayor and as a governor. we expanded health care in colorado. we thought climate change directly. we beat the nra. for the last three years, we have been the number one economy in the country. i am as progressive as anybody up on this stage but i am also pragmatic. and i have done the things that most of these other people are just talking about. i know i can get results. i can lead the people of this country toward a stronger, healthier, and a more secure future and defeat donald trump and return this country to its glory.

thank you. >> thank you, detroit. to win, we have to listen to people. out there today is casey jo's mom. she was a champion high school swimmer from a small town. she got sick, went to the emergency room, and got hooked on opioids. the last thing she said to her mom was, it's not my fault. and she died. a lot of americans say the same thing every day. and that is i will stand up for and what i will stand up against our companies like those pharma companies that got her hooked on not telloids and did the doctors or the patience what was going to happen. we need someone that has people's back. we also need someone that can win. woni have one in these -- in these red districts. i went in the midwest.

-- i win in the midwest. i will govern with integrity. we have a president where people turn off their tv when they see him. not me. i will make you proud as your president. divided polarized as a country as we have ever seen. -- have ever been. we have a president who uses fear to drive us further apart. to meet this challenge, we have to have hope in one another and of faith in a future of the country that includes everyone. my whole life, i've been including people in the success of this country, starting a small business with high-value high wage high skilled jobs in the third poorest urban county in america, serving on the city council and holding town hall meetings every single week to remind myself who it is that i serve at the end of the day and in congress, being in the minority but working with

democrats and republicans alike to deliver for mice constituents -- for my constituents in this country. year, texas, this last traveling to every county, not writing anybody off, not taking anyone for granted and at the end of the day, winning more votes than any democrat had in the history of the state, for theindependents first time in decades. that is how we defeat donald trump in november of 2020 and how we bring his divided country together again in january of 2021. >> good news and bad news. our country is in trouble. gdp is going up in life expectancy is going down. think about what that means. and it is only getting tougher. by 2030, we will have passed the point of no return on climate. they're going to be 130 million more guns on our streets. i will be in my 40's then.

here's the good news -- it is not too late. we can tell our kids that before we run out of time, just before we run out of time, in 2020, we did what it took to deliver a climate that we did not have to wonder if it could support us, to deliver a society where race has no bearing on your help or your wealth or your relationship with law enforcement. that we did what it took to deliver an economy where a rising toad actually does lift all boats. we can do this -- were a rising tide actually lifts all boats. we can do this. if and only if we are ready to walk away from what has not worked with bold action and whin. -- win. join me and let's make it happen. was sevene time i years old, i had a dream. i wanted to be a public school teacher. but my daddy ended up as a

janitor and by the time i graduated from high school, my family did not have the money to send me to college. my big chance was what was then a commuter college that cost $50 a semester. what this election is all about his opportunity. every budget, every policy that we talk about is about who is going to get opportunity. is it going to go to the billionaires? is it going to go to our kids? right now, for decades, we've had a government that has been on the side of the ridge and the powerful. it has been on the side of the well the. and that means it has not been on the side of everyone else, not on the side of people living under native american reservations, people living in inner cities, people living in small firms and small communities across this -- living in small farms and small communities across this country. how do we beat it? we beat it by being the party of big structural change.

if people a reason to show up and vote. -- give people a reason to show up and vote. we beat it by building a grassroots movement across the country. build it person by person across this country with small dollar donations, volunteers, with people who show up and say, i have a stake in this democracy. i will not only beat donald trump in 2020, i will start to make real change. >> as somebody who grew up in a family who lived in a rent controlled apartment in brooklyn and lived paycheck-to-paycheck, i am running for president, not just to defeat the most dangerous president in the history of this country. a guy who is a racist and sexist and homophobe. i'm running to transform this country and to stand with the working class of america, which

for the last 45 years has been decimated. ago, i had a remarkable experience which should tell you everything you need to know about what is going on in america. i took 15 people with diabetes from detroit a few miles into canada and we bought insulin for 1/10 the price being charged by the crooks who run the pharmaceutical industry in america today. it is not just the price-fixing and the corruption and agreed. it is what is going on in the fossil fuel industry. we need a mass political movement. become one of our million volunteers. stand up and take on the greed and corruption of the ruling

class of this country. let's create a government and economy that works for all of us, not just the 1%. candidates, thank you so much. that completes tonight's debate. join us tomorrow night around two, 10 more democratic candidates for president, right back here in detroit. >> sunday morning at 1030 eastern on c-span, the second round of democratic residents are primary debates in detroit, hosted by cnn. eastern.day at 1030 >> c-span has live coverage of the 2020 candidates at the iowa state fair, starting thursday at

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