to build a gym. we said, how could you take milk away from children? then of course, if you ever made the trip, you know they are swimming in milk. they have more cows than people. for them, the gym made a lot more sense. they had plenty of milk. why was it that we were making that decision for them? it made me start to think that maybe we really need to make it all more local. it needs to be closer to the school. closer all the way down. i got interested in creating local choice. there was an initiative that went down in flames. we got 30% of the vote. i went back to my work and thought, i would lead by example

in that i started another thing called a university which teaches entrepreneurship to 18-28-year-olds. then i learned i was going to be a grandpa. i started to panic. i thought, wait a second. we were first in education when i went to school. when my kids went, we are 40th. today, we are 47. i looked in not just education but the whole system. how could it be that california keep slipping? it turns out we are slipping in other areas, too. we are 50th out of 50 it as a place to do business. we are losing jobs. jobs are going out of the state for many reasons. we just lost 8000 jobs because

of occidental petroleum moving. we lost 3000 jobs to toyota three days ago. we have lost 2500 jobs from both sony and disney because the movie business is moving out of l.a. tesla, our wonderful pride and joy, has decided they are going to build a battery factory in one of five states, none of which is california. we are driving business away in the state. many people are leaving. there is a whole town in tennessee that is -- i'm sorry, a whole county in tennessee that is all ex-californians.

something is wrong. i learned at we pay the most and have one of the highest recidivism rates in the country. we used to, back 40 years ago, spend 26% on infrastructure. highways and waterways. all the things states provide. now we spend 3%. if you are in traffic, the water is not too good, it is because we are not spending anything for infrastructure in california. i put my hat on to try to figure out if there was a way to improve the state. i thought back, maybe who gets elected matters. no. of we have had extraordinary

people get elected. it really good people and government. for the entire 40 year time. i have met many of the governors. they are really extraordinary people the senators, the assembly people. they are looking out for the best interests of you. but they don't really know the best interests of you. there are 38 million of us in california. that is a big amount of people. a lot of people to try to understand what each of you wants. i don't feel connected with sacramento and what is going on there. i don't think they feel connected to me. i think all of us feel that way. we don't feel connected. i put my thinking cap on to try to think through what might be a good way for this give us a refresh. starters us from a good blank

slate. that is when i thought, the best way for us to operate is one that is similar to the venture capital business. to create startups. start up states that would compete with each other for us. allow each of the states to do for us whatever we are trying to get them to do. allow them to give us a choice. it is really interesting. all sorts of things have come out as a result of this. people have asked me, why don't you just do two states? right now we have one state.

we pay the most and we get the worst service. it is because it is a monopoly. way back when, at&t was a monopoly. they broke it up. those six companies gave us better service. they all got more valuable. i believe the same thing can happen in california. if you want to break it into two pieces, that sense of competition and choice will not be there. you will just have two monopolies. but with six, you get the sense that you can drive 45 minutes and maybe be a part of a different state. it keeps the states on their toes. we have always been we the people. i have always felt that the government works for us. we the people.

recently, i have felt like it is the opposite. i am working for the government. they are telling me what i'm supposed to do. i thought, if we do this, how would we do it? how do we create six states? i went through with a lot of experts, doing a lot of different things to figure out how best to do this. we came up with certain lines. then we thought, it is possible it will take a long time for the federal government to approve state. why don't we make it work immediately? where at least some of these dynamics happen. we set up an initiative that allows all the counties the

ability to self-organize. each county can choose which state is best for them. if they feel they are in the wrong state, if they have a majority that wants to move, they can move to another state if that state accepts them. there is a bit of that dynamic that we have created that can go on even before the federal government says ok. will the federal government ever allow us to have six states? i think at some time, it will be one of the two parties will have it in their best interest to have six californians. one of those parties at some time in the future will

politically want to have six californias. during the time after it passes and before the government says yes, we can have our counties have a lot more power and they can self organize into states. we can be well represented. one other thing the initiative does is makes it clear that at the state has a mandate for certain mandate for everybody. they have to fund it. as a result, the counties will be able to say, we will not do this unless you fund it. i think that will make a big difference. it will encourage more business.

encourage more, those counties to be closer to their constituents. your county, you can drive to your county, wherever it is. it is not hard to get your county. by doing that, you will be closer to your government. most of the people i have talked to at first say, don't change anything about california. that i say, what is so great about the status quo? we are 50th out of 50. how much worse can we get? you can get a lot worse. they say, no, you can't change it. all of a sudden in their head, they say what would my state look like. as soon as we get to that point, they know this is going to be a better life. everyone who lives here is going

to be better off if they had their own state. other people have asked me, what -- won't this create the richest state in silicon valley and the poor states in central california? you have to turn that around and say, in the current regime, those are poor states because somehow, the government, the way it is set up, is not working for them. imagine central california deciding, we would like to be a manufacturing center. we would like to take those jobs leaving california for various reasons. it might end up being the wealthiest state. so i think we've got an opportunity with people in different parts of the state --

way up in jefferson they have been trying to be their own people for a long time. they feel that they have taxation without representation. there is this fire tax that we have imposed that only taxes them. the people in central california dolingat sacramento is out water one trip at a time and making them fill out documents the whole time. and they wish it was more efficient and operated in technology, the cloud or whatever. there are so many things we could be doing that we're not. ed would really love to encourage those who read -- those movie businesses to stay in l.a. and also in san bernadino in that area would benefit from new manufacturing jobs. so each of these six states the way they've been drawn really does have its own personality.

and i think by getting closer to those states we're all going to be better off. with that, i'm sure you have some questions and love to open it up. >> thank you very much. [applause] >> friends, feel free to sit down. we can relax. >> i'd rather face the music. >> all right. so thank you to tim draper, author of "the six california's initiative." >> you will be asking me questions. happy to sit down. >> we do have the map that six californias has proposed. i don't know if you can see it. there are the six states. and so let me just start with a question. i know we have many others. i have some written questions. so, are you serious or being provocative or do you really want this to happen?

>> no, this is an opportunity. i'm looking at it as a very important opportunity. we have been -- we've been living off of our ancestors. our ancestors created a great government for us to be a part of. it's we, the people. we have not been the people. we have not been active in our -- in the creation or recreation or evolution of our government. we've been -- i mean, let's face it, we've been kind of lazy. california is -- is -- has been benefiting from the pioneers that came here early and the way it was set up originally and how we have the best education system in the country. and now i think it's really time for us to get involved and take it back and think of a -- think of what your state could look like. i mean, do we really feel that it is very important for every california senator to have 50

staffers? do we really feel like the department of education has to have, what, 3,000 people? i mean, let's get all that energy focused to the local level. let's make this thing happen. we've had many politicians who is have seen all of these problems but we keep getting worse. so there has to be something fundamental that changes. it has to be structural and fundamental. and this is an opportunity and this is a one-time opportunity for all of us to grab a hold of our democracy and do something about it. by recreating the way a state is -- is run in this new world, in this new technologically savvy world, i think we're going to

have some states that just walk. here we have 50 out of 50. i think we can have six of the top 10 states in the country. and even if we're average, even if these six states are average states we're all way better off. >> so what about the resources that are shared statewide, the highway system, the electrical grid? how this work without a single entity? the way it is already set up, it is to work with a single entity supervising it. how would it work with six entities? >> well, all that's done by state compact today. so i mean, we've get a lot of our water from colorado. we have state compacts with them. i think it's going to be quite an interesting negotiation between some of these states that have a lot of water and not much money and these states that have a lot of money and not much water.

i think there will be a nice little negotiation there. we've set it up so that six senators, six assembly people and 12 county supervisors will get together and negotiate that all out. and if they can't come to terms, then it will just be divided according to population. the education systems, i think -- i believe we all want those to be more local anyway. so i think we're all better off in the k-12 education arena. in the higher education arena, it's always been grade in the u.s. we've always had a good competitive environment. i think it will continue to be great. the special deals that people

have across -- from, you know, if you're in marin and you want to go to ucla you get a special deal. that may continue. it may not and then with the electrical grid, the electrical grid is ready for re-energizing. the electrical grid is really failing. and the infrastructure's not working and there are lots of new technologies. solar city, they're a part of our electrical grid. lots of new technology is coming along. and there's no reason that if it is in both state's best interest they can both use pg & e. i think we're going to have a very positive, interesting negotiation amongst the six states. 24 people is a manageable number of people to look out for the best interest of each of those

states. >> how did we decide the boundaries in the six new states? they're around six county boundaries. >> we group certain counties together depending on what we knew. but there were many different issues and i had a lot of different experts working on this. these are the lines today. but there's always the ability for a county to move to another state and i do know that there are two counties already that have come to me and said they would like to move to jefferson. >> but they have to be contiguous, right? they can't move from south california -- >> we're going to make it so that it has to be -- we have in the writing. it has to be contiguous. >> so who wants to move to

jefferson? >> a few counties. >> but you're not going to disclose that. >> we're going to let them speak for themselves. this kind of works for us but maybe -- i have found that -- that, you know, the people i speak to and will be with california are quite excited because they feel like no one understands us. we're in the movie business and we have a lot of defense here and no one understands us. and sacramento doesn't, you know, doesn't do what it needs to do. i have had discussions with some business leaders who say they're leaving california. i said, why are you leaving california? they said they didn't even try to keep us, you know? 4,000, 10,000 jobs leaving the state. they didn't even try. it's beyond belief.

meanwhile in texas, they're going, come to texas. we've -- we've got this. we've got this. we've got this. >> like toyota leaving southern california. >> toyota left. the battery factory. the petroleum. sony and disney each moving 2,500 jobs out. it's not good. you lose all those jobs and not only -- i mean, already, california is one of the worst states for people who live below the poverty line. we're almost at 20% below the poverty line. these are people you don't see. but 20% of the population is below the poverty line. in states with good education that attract a lot of jobs and those numbers are more like 8%. sure, leave the status quo.

20% will be 40%. end up with a very poor population here in california. i mean, i think we're making it a status quo that has not been working and it has not worked well for about 40 years. and we've let it slip. and now's the time make a difference. now's the time. grab your democracy. i'm going to help put this thing on the ballot. i'm going to help create platforms from which all of these states can operate independently. and then it's up to you. >> so continuing to flesh out the proposal, how equal or unequal are the populations among these different states? >> you mean -- you mean -- >> yeah. well, no, i think it means numbers of population.

>> oh, oh. yeah. jefferson's the small estate of this group. and the l.a. region will be the biggest state. but our state is bigger than any other state. if you took california and flipped it over to the east coast, that's 15 states on the east coast. are these all getting represented in washington? i don't know. but it's that area -- that population, that's 15 states on the east coast. population's a little different. that area on the east coast makes up about 55 million people. on the west coast it's 38 but still a ton of people to try to represent one centralized ivory tower. >> so this is an interesting one.

how will the six start-up states be funded? who will be the v.c.? >> yeah, they're -- we're going to have to pay a little bit. for a short period of time it will be new. we'll have to sort of adjust. i don't think it's going to really affect us that much individually. we're still going to have good weather here, all the way up and down the state. good weather. we'll still have the ocean. we'll have pretty much what we have. but it will take some start-up cost in shutting down the old state and creating six new ones. but, boy, i mean, that will pay for itself many, many times over. if we go through that short period of this orientation. >> let's talk about the state of jefferson for a second.

i'm one of those people who pays that fire tax and i have a home up there. timber industry is pretty dead. mining is not happening. what would the economic basis of the economy be? >> well, they may make marijuana legal up there. [laughter] >> there's a lot of that. a lot of marijuana growing. >> and i think that -- i think they may do -- it's not like the money from silicon valley makes it up there. you're not seeing any of it, are you? it somehow gets to sacramento and some of it gets to washington heard -- washington. i'm not sure how it gets to our poorer areas. i'm not seeing this money flow -- and so these people are thinking they've been trying to secede from the nation. >> it is true. >> they think -- why are we even paying any of these?

we want to be in part of our own little world appear. >> there is a big sign that says state of jefferson north of the shasta valley. any questions from the audience? please come to the mics. i know there are more written question but feel free to come to the mic and ask your question. >> a lot of the problems you are highlighting -- since you put it kind of under the category of just growing economic inquality, i would argue to proposition 13 is being a fundamental reorganization of the public finances of the state which stratification of our communities. >> so in your unique state there's prop 13. in your state you don't have

this big inequality. i mean, you have an opportunity now. this is your own state. right now -- all these problems you're laying out -- that's the status quo. that's what we're stuck with now. you would you change it this is , your chance. >> sir? >> one thing that i'm concerned about is as a californian i'm really proud of the high standards we have for environmental quality and things like that. one of the problems as that makes this harder for us to compete with other states. we're going to have to compete with the central valley and other parts of what is now california. is that going to force us to reduce or standards? >> actually -- once again, it's your state. you can create your own environmental standards. in addition, you can work with the other states to make sure that those standards are high everywhere. >> i think it's -- yeah, i -- i love the environment too.

i i'm a big environmental -- i don't know if i'm environmentalist. i favorite invention was hotmail because we didn't have to cut down trees an we didn't have to use gasoline. we still have incredible communication. and so i think you've got a big opportunity. this is your big opportunity too. >> all right. yes, sir? >> if i may follow up about the capital to the states. you will have some very rich states with huge capital stock. some will have very little capital stock. they are going to be very, very unequal. that's very unequal in the way they can actually generate cash, right? they have a different tax base from the money. the central valley will have a different tax base. so basically they're going to

of the money coming in. how could you talk about them being equal competition in that state? how are the people going to be able to fund themselves to make those investments which have to be raised? it was 6%. now it is 3%. those people who don't have the capital or the cash flow, how are they going to make that? if you make that picture of six venture firms, they're all going to start very, very unequally. at the end of the day, you are not going to give everyone the same chunk. >> so it's a great question. i'm glad you posed it in that way. because if we set up the six states this way, you're thinking maybe central california is going to be unequal, right? well, right now they're unequal with the status quo they're not

equal. it isn't fair. but if they can create their own state, they can become equal. in fact they can be better than equal. >> [inaudible] >> well, that's -- >> otherwise it doesn't go -- >> the current situation is that here in the valley things are pretty good. and in the current regime with this current regime they're not. so -- so their starting point is we're low. their starting point is where it is now with the status quo. but if they create their own state and they can roll that state and they can attract business with that state, then we're all right. now, are they going to, in fact,

arise at a faster rate than the silicon valley can rise. the silicon valley already has this great system. think bernadino. they can do great things that they can't do now. right now they're kept down under their current regime. >> if you really don't want that to happen, you need people to be able to govern themselves and make it great for them. >> this model is just confounding. i can't envision the feds ever wanting to recognize six states in the place of one, much less giving them po portion nat

-- proportional representation and state ratification we need to prevent. i'll just focus the question on, you know, pending recognition by the feds. it appears to me that the practical realization could be seriously crimped in terms of deinvolving the responsibilities that currently belong with the state government to all of these six different entities because the federal funding we get for many different initiatives or areas is, you no, state autonomy, education, medication. just to even begin. >> you really brought up a great point and one in which currently, the amount we in california give to the federal government is much higher than the amount that comes back to california. as a result, with six states we will get more of that. there's no question. and so that part i'm not worried

about. we should get a lot more of that federal money back. each focused on a certain direction. each of those states will geter -- get grants from various things. to california. that the big california doesn't get. so right now we're not in that position. how we get there, first of all, it acts just like a law. you can get it signed by the president or go through all 50 states if we get 2/3 of those done then we get to statehood. but here's the great thing. first of all, when this passes. already, we're going to allow the county to much more control

over their citizens. much more control over what happens. what the state does to their citizens. if the state says you have to do something, the state will have to provide the money to do that for the county. and so that actually -- there's someone who is going to be a lot better. and and for a period of time. that amount of time will probably be a while because the federal government won't always have it in their best interest to have six states. you know in a tie where the federal government is dominated by democrats and the democrats say it's in our best interest to have six california states or the republicans will be in all power and they'll say, right now it's in our best interest to have -- so everyone actually those things will come up on the -- it will come up that way. and we will get our six californias.

>> there's just an intervening level of government created. and it give us more time to organize these issues. >> let me add to that question. >> the other statements may have a problem with added members of the senate. is there also a possibility that other states can follow this model? i actually think, you know, if this happens then i believe that new york will want to be three states. and illinois will want to be two. texas might want to be five. so you might end up with 60 states. we're all going to be closer to

our government. the closer you are to your government the better it operates. and that's proven numbers. they all believe that the smaller government states. the small entity are closer to their people and they look better. >> for our regular vision and -- for our regular television and radio internet audience. he's proposed six californians as initiative. i'm gloria duffy the moderator. >> yes, sir. >> you were positioned last week. >> i'm glad you mentioned that. allie has fewer petitions. we'd love to hear you sign. but please you might want to hold up your hand or something.

>> go ahead. >> an interesting conversation that opens up should this ballot measure actually pass. >> few at the same time u.s. serve some of the recipes from california. but the music looks great. why don't you ever give an opinion and listen to them about the states. yu're going to throw a huge hand grenade into the state. there. there will be larger and let's wait to see how it all comes out. but that's my impression.

if you wanted a huge blown nation. program she'll cutting caught up in that. hey, it's our job to just make it work. and think it's going to work. there are always going to be problems with everything that happened. whenever you make a change there are problems. a bunch of excited. they didn't like tesla to send it to me because they said you -- the car deals. i mean, they're always going to be people that are disturbed i'm

just saying. hey, we're going to be better off. if we have a new system. >> we're going to have better -- we're closer in our government. if you can describe it any way you want. i actually describe it as innovation. i mean, there is -- there is innovation. and this is a new opportunity. at the beginning and then when it comes, i bet you carry a cell phone. ok. [laughter] but there are going to be -- there's a great majority of us that are going to benefit from an innovative change. and there will be many. if you have six new governments in california, we will have amazing innovation. >> great ways of governing.

>> you will create new woes for those who run political office too. >> that's what you do with your stuff. >> possibility. well, i mean each new state will have some kind of governance. >> the initiative process now that we've been in it has really been in the dark ages. it's got to be -- on paper. can you send the information to people and then allow them to print it out and sign it. you can't do that because it has

to be on an 11x17 sheet of paper that is folded in four and with a certain font that is only done by these three printers. >> that's one offer the many relics that we should get rid of. >> change that. at least you can change that. >> some states may not want that process. great things that can happen here. >> yes, ma'am. >> i'm curious about the research that you cited. specifically by what criteria? smaller is getter. there will be more. the top states are all the smaller states with one exception and that's texas. and i think it may be because they only meet as a government two months every two years and then they have to go back and

live with the rules that i -- they created and i think that might be the different and why life somehow checked this. he's quite a bit higher in education. the rest of the big states just have higher education. much higher. many more as a percentage? infrastructure spending as a percentage of the gdp in the states, much lower. so all of those things add up to a bigger -- bigger is not better -- in terms of getting yourself well governed. >> but how can you be certain isn't an historical relic? >> they have a terrific education system.

those people have choice. if you don't like your government, you can move to new hampshire, vermont. connecticut. you can move to so many different states. you've seen new jersey competing with new york. for all of those businesses. it happened. it's great. it makes it and somebody's not doing a job. people will leave and they'll have to improve so the teams on the east coast feel that -- on the west coast -- it's not like you don't want to live with all that right there.

you know, you're just trying to pull it up. the fact that we have the worse -- worst government in the country. and you can't believe anyone person or matter party, or bureaucracy for them. it just happened. you know, if you really want one cable provider, they give you whatever it is. kind of where we're at. >> how do you feel the show was to take me districting out of the hands, two try to help multiyear budgeting process? they're trying to improve and tweek state government. >> go ahead it's a little bit

like the monopoly that adds one feature. but there are a few fundamental changes that's needed. you can't just add one feature and expect the door to come by your door. we've been trying for a long time. >> i'm sorry. excuse me not looking on the same side of the room. >> septic about the state's different states. i feel pretty confident now empty economy like they are. we can bush them. now not fear the high technologies and i mean i would if we can do something about it. things in tax which is most of

-- corporations i feel like in the state of washington or other states than would be fantastic. >> so we've got to move that. -- you've got a new state. you can create lower taxes. by the way can you sign a petition? how many people are skeptic about this idea. how many people -- >> one of them is my father here. [laughter] >> how many people have changed their mind since you came? ok. there's a few. we have over 10 minutes left. >> one last question. >> yes, sir.

>> i do want everybody to be skeptic. i want everybody to be thinking about this, take it back have a dinner time conversation with your family. make this something that you get involved with. something that you take care about. make sure that you are getting involved in your -- in your state government. try to figure out what your state could look like. start thinking that way about the talk with your family about what would our state look like. ?> what is your vision i'm trying to understand. excellent raiders out there. there are so many and also like in you want to learn about the entrepreneur, i'll call you. but from stanford and all of that stuff for free. how are you going to position your program?

accelerator, an incubator, or just a school? >> this is a school i created for entrepreneurship. we have a boarding school and an online school. we decided to create something new which was a way for ,ntrepreneurs to be creative not for people to learn about entrepreneurship. .f you get the distinction we don't teach history of entrepreneurship, we teach future. we have them read science fiction and predictive analytics , and they do forecasting. they go through a survival training course. it is a very different thing from anything else you have seen out there. we're quite excited about how well it has worked.

it was a bold experiment in education, and i felt it was worth it to try leading by example. its great. stanford is coming down, and they're doing as much as they can to create the same type of activities that we have at draper university. usc is coming up. the president of the business school came up and they're trying to imitate us, too. i think that's great. that is really what we're set up for. yes, there is the boost incubator, the boost accelerator, where there is a little bit of a flow from the students to the incubator, but they don't always go for that purpose. they go to become heroes. >> tim, if this goes to the vote and the other 49 states, is there something in it for them? >> that is where i think it will

be a part of an issue, whether we end up with more republicans or democrats in the democratic states. , atink what will happen is some point, that same party will be in power and they will say, we want six states in california so we can have more senators. >> if california wasn't so large individually -- , i think whatng ,hey will probably do is say interesting, california has tried a lot of things, and they have been first, and they have spread across the country. they might say, why don't we do this? let's see how this goes. and it will spread across the

country. maybe we will end up with 60 states. >> in terms of political orientation, of the six proposed republican,erson crystal democratic? sv? central republican? wojcik all the political complexion? >> i think is going to be .ifferent areas i was a democrat and a republican. it is ok to fail. i only want to go after one problem at a time.

we have a duopoly, and is for difficult for any of us to really identify as one party or another. i think what will surprise you is those states to go entirely different ways. american have one independent, one peace and freedom, you might see very different things happening from those six different states. that it is a little bit of a wild card if you are very partisan and one side or another, this is a wildcard. this could change things. i don't know whether it changes it in your favor if you're republican or you are a democrat. i think it is kind of an opportunity there where the states can say neither of these

parties work for me. we want to have different parties. maybe we want more parties. maybe we want one great party. i think we do need options. capitalist, ie assume you're really good at evaluating risk. succeed, what do you think are the -- what is the number one risk to the essence of california? if you are investing your own money in this idea, what is at risk? >> i want to make sure that the -- i have laid out all the potential rewards, but i think it is a risk for certain people. the incumbents, the people in

power today are going to have their power diluted. that is a risk for them. that is scary for some of them. who willhe people impose actively are people who are in power and represent all of california in whatever the field is, with a lobbying -- whether they are lobbying or oriticians or bureaucracy unions. people,, some of those some union people will say hey, there is an opportunity for me be the boss of a union in this state. some of them may be all for it. i think people who are really benefiting from the failing

status quo are going to be are in veryas they strong positions of power. we will have to have a grassroots effort to overcome that. >> what about all us good people here today? what about the risks to us? canhey're doing what they for their jobs. i think that is a risk. that can affect a lot of people in sacramento. -- there arebe some people in sacramento who could be hurt by this. ourhis will probably be last question. yes, sir? >> how are you going to allocate the debt? what you face the same problem that jefferson and hamilton had?

-- won't you face the same problem that jefferson and hamilton had? how are you going to allocate the monumental california debt? >> i'm glad you asked that. two things, first, those 24 people and mentioned are going to negotiate out the debts and assets of each new state. terms, itnnot come to will be broken according to population. is ifs great about this you apportion it to each state, i believe they will all be better off. all those economies will be better. the debts will be easier to be paid. there are enormous debts. our current status quo has put us into a very uncomfortable position. it is an awful position. add the almost $1

trillion worth of pension liability, this is untenable. how they were able to do that to us, it was irresponsible, and we are in big trouble. this is an interesting opportunity for us to create six new economies that as a group are much stronger than the one economy is today. i think we will be able to pay those debts back much more easily. that is one of the key points, that is one of the key value as of creating six new californians. s. >> your ideas are very disruptive in a positive sense. it is clear that the reform asorts have not gone nearly

far as a need to go. we appreciate you bringing these ideas to the forefront, wish you well with this effort, and please give a hand to tim draper for coming here today. [applause] we would also like to thank our audience. visit the club on facebook, twitter, youtube, etc.. now this meeting of the commonwealth club of california is adjourned. bang, bang, bang. [indiscernible] >> tomorrow on "washington

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