today we're talking about reagan's first inaugural address, which was one of the most important speeches of the 20th century. many people, the fact that was a group of experts, i was one of them. and ranked kennedy's inaugural as the greatest inaugural of the century and the second best speech of the 20th century. i totally disagree with that. two speeches, two inaugural addresses changed american in

the 20th century. franklin delano roosevelt's first inaugural, which announced new deal and reagan, which was a counterpoint to fdr, is great inaugural address. reagan's has been recognized as a statement of small, principled, conservative ism. so, for example, shortly after the address, businessweek commenting on the dress, the address it was noted the administration's request for major restructuring of government and highlighted reagan's conservative philosophy. the economist made a very comment that to me that's magazine out of great britain. they made it clear that reagan means to transformation of america's fortunes with an attack on the federal. the washington post the new york times. all the major newspapers at the time noted the same thing that

this this speech represented a major change in american politics a way from government in acting to solve problems toward government where what reagan said was a way to address those problems. the speech is so important for conservatism. pre-trump up that the heritage foundation labeled it literally a foundational statement. american conservatism. liberals have exactly the same point. a famous liberal scholar, alan wolfe, said that that reagan seemed to be engaged in a direct with franklin roosevelt, where roosevelt argued for more government. reagan argued less. a few years later, when ron when obama was elected president, baker, writing in the new york, said that president obama must

seem to be in a direct dialog with ronald reagan, that obama was arguing for more government and responding to reagan's famous comment that in this present crisis, government is the problem. government is, not the solution. so you can draw a line between fdr in 33 to arguing more government. the new deal as the solution to. ronald reagan in 1981. and then to barack in 2008. respond ing to that. it is because of the importance of the ideas in 1982. in this speech that there are two different books about the reagan and reagan's time. one by a very conservative scholar. one by a very liberal scholar that have the age of reagan, their title. they're simply question that

begins in 1980. there's an argument that reagan had begun to get these ideas to the nation before 80 that what reagan's in this inaugural address changed american politics and moved it into a different direction. until obama and then again until trump took a very different perspective. so for writing in 2006. new york times columnist conservative david brooks that reagan's view that less government equals more freedom government is the problem. it became the organizing conservative principle of the. nicholas lehrman, who writes for the new republic talked about how reagan's ideas became unassailable in politics for again for nearly a generation.

so we know that this speech is incredibly important because it was a foundational statement. and i want to give one more source and a very unlike buckley one on the importance of reagan's ideas in the 2008 campaign. then senator barack obama irritated the clinton campaign in massive way when he noted that reagan changed the trajectory of america, a way that bill clinton did not. he irritated clinton campaign most of all because, it was quite clear that obama was right that reagan changed things in a way that later democratic presidents before obama did not. well, was about reagan that changed things more. anything else? it was the force, his rhetoric. the great historian wilentz has

said of reagan that above all reagan supporters, unlike that what reagan did was give his supporters and battered democrats and the disgraced republican establishment a compelling way to the disorienting, often dispiriting trends of the 1970s. now, at this point, i've laid out the importance of reagan's ideas, and i've laid out the importance of the speech. but there are two things that are puzzling about the speech. the first is that while reagan small government, conservative, has consistently those ideas never particularly popular even before he was elected. let me give you the polling on whether the country wanted less government. the polling before reagan elected in the four years before he was elected in 19 eight and

1980, said the percentage of the people who thought that the government was spending either the right or too little on social programs was never less than 72%. and by may of 1981, just few months into the reagan, andrew kohut, the pollster, he had concluded that many people are either dubious or downright skeptical about the effectiveness of the president approaches. george edwards, a very famous political scientist. when i spoke about reagan and his rhetoric at the reagan sant'anna, well, george edwards was one of the people there who responded to what have to say. but edwards has made the point that reagan was not successful at changing the minds of the country about how much government we and edwards said that. he says after an extensive

analysis when it came time to change public and mobilize it on behalf of he typically met with failure. and he said once reagan was in the white house there was a movement away from conservative views. but when reagan left the white house sick, he had 63% approval, 63% at the end of his administration. so one of the puzzling things in front of us is that reagan's policies and policy, at least, were never particularly popular and overt time they became less popular. and yet reagan and his broader ideas were all very popular. reagan won two landslide elections, and he left at 63%. it's impossible to a contemporary president reaching 3%. abs. abs some kind of national crisis. the part of the puzzle is that

reagan didn't succeed in downsizing to any significant degree. he cut back on the size of the growth of government, but did not to major cuts. and again, i'm going to quote shawn will lance who said that the number of government workers actually increased during reagan's administration faster than during jimmy carter's total expenditures on social welfare programs including social security and medicare, rose between 1981 and 1989. this led some conservatives at the to say that the reagan revolution wasn't very revolutionary so it is puzzling that there is universal agreement that reagan's rhetoric was the single thing that made him most effective. there's also agreement the years beginning with reagan's

election, its 30 years of conservative dominance dates, the age of reagan but that policies that were at the core of his administration were never very popular and he did not succeed in achieving that kind of reagan revolt arrival in. that's our set up why we're so concerned with this inaugural address now. two big we're going to begin address that we need to consider the particular situation in which reagan became president. it a very bad economic situation. inflation reached 13 and a half percent in 1980. unemployment seven and a half percent. reagan talked about the of those two statistics, what he called the misery, which was over 20%. interest rates also reached 20%. it a time of perceived american weakness.

american hostages had been held. they had been seized in iran from the us embassy, which had been overrun during. the iranian revolution. the hostages were not were released during reagan's inauguration. so let's talk. and it's a time when cold war was at one of its peaks and in the 1980 election. for a time the polling was very close between then governor, former governor reagan and president carter. many people express severe doubts about two things, about. first, they thought he was just a movie actor and not a good one. in other words, they didn't he was a mouthpiece and didn't know what he was saying? that was totally false. i've spent a lot of time looking at reagan's speech drafts where reagan wrote things himself, but that is what people thought that the other thing they thought about reagan, that he was an extremist who might get into a

nuclear war with the soviet union. that was also false, as we now know, and i also done a considerable work on reagan's soviet rhetoric. but knowing that those two things are false, the american people didn't know that, that and so only got a significant majority of ends up in winning in a landslide. after he has a debate with president carter and the debate president reagan is extremely good throughout the debate in laying out and defending sensible positions and i have argued that what reagan was persuade the american people that he was not a giant risk that he could be an effective president. and and that is something that actually then came to pass. so i've given you that particular situation but inaugural addresses are also within a generic a john of

inaugurals and so inaugurals occur because we have a transition in power and whenever you have that in a democratic society we want to hear from the new person. and there are a purpose that inaugurals have to fulfill if they're going to be inaugurals, one of those purposes is that you have to tell people what what the essence of your administration is going to be a second purpose is to reunify the country because elections are divisive now. the 1980 election was divisive. there was lots of conflict, but it not not like our recent elections you've lived through, which are much, much more divisive. and finally an inaugural address is a chance to create a kind of rhetorical aumf for the president's agenda. and scholars have looked at those purposes and the societal

constraints of an inaugural as an extremely formal situation, including me, have come up with seven things. inaugurals that if they are to be effective routinely, we need to do. and so i'm going to state these seven things and then i'm going to go through the reagan inaugural and talk about how effectively he did those seven things. the first of the seven is the state, the political principles of the administration. i mentioned earlier that this is a weakness in the kennedy which in all other ways is a terrific speech. but there are no political principles. and the kennedy for domestic policy. if you had to say one characteristic which was the most important i think it's this one. secondly, the president isn't has entered the election. when i ran election, they were representative of a party. but becoming president, they're a president of the american people. and that means it's important to reach to people of all parties

and your opponents and of the diversity of the american experience. you have to reunify the country. third inaugurals are they will fall within the category of epidemic deck. ceremonial speeches. ceremonial speeches are about affirming or negating values and inaugurals are the most important time. we can talk about the values of it means to be an american and president reagan certainly did that for inaugurals always is. tell us where we are and what might be thought of as the nation's story, because there are always of the moment and what we want a president to tell us. here's we've been and here's how we're going to get to a better tomorrow place. and i'll send that nation story inaugural should be presented in a formal and sarah montiel style. this is not a time for informal

talk up sixth and all girls need to reassure our allies and warn our enemies in the of 1980. reagan needed to reassure our allies and naito also in in the pacific theater that we would stand them and send a message to the soviet union that the united states would remain but would seek peace. and if president fails to send that message can lead to destabilizing policy situations. it just is that presidents do that. and last want a president who comes across as a strong but not a vain later. and that may have changed a little bit in american politics. and this was not an inaugural, but this was his speech accepting, the republican nomination in 2016, then nominee trump said that i alone can

solve these problems that would not have been something that any president would have said that starting point for understanding why reagan's message in general and this inaugural address particular were so incredible, effective and important is to go through those seven and ask what did reagan say? the first i said, is the most important and there is that stating political principles. and there is one line that's quoted again and again and again from reagan's inaugural, in fact, i quoted brooks as saying and a moment ago, i saw quoted this way in the new york times last week. government is not the solution. government is the problem. but that's not actually what reagan said. what reagan said is in this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. government the problem and i'm already beginning to hint at a

reason that reagan was much more effective than other conservatives because reagan was a pragmatic test as well as a principle conservative. and the talk gave at the reagan centennial. i talk about reagan as a principled conservative, but reagan also as a prag my test who adapted his policy to the moment so a few minutes after reagan made that principled call for less government and and remember, that call is cited again and again as a first principle of conservatism. reagan then went on to say, now, so there will be no misunderstand. it's not my intention to do away with government is rather to make work. work with us, not over, to stand by our side. ride on our back. government can and must provide opportunity. not smother it foster

productivity. not stifle it. so reagan consistently advocated for less government, less lower taxes. but not no government, not no regulation, not no taxes. and he also defended ed less government as pragmatic beneficial and. i'll explain later how different that is from most other movement conservatives. the second thing we need to look for, whether reagan reunified, the country and reagan did a very graceful thing which not surprising at all. if you study reagan the way i have in the introduction, he reached out and thanked president carter. he said, by your gracious cooperation in the transition process, you have shown a watching world. we are a united people, pledged maintaining a political system which guarantees individual liberty. and then he added, i thank you

and your people for all help in maintaining the continuity, which is the bulwark of. the republic. it it's just such a graceful thing to say to the then former president of the united states. but there was another large audience that reagan needed to reach in order to reunify the country. reagan received the support of a very small of nonwhite, the percentage of black americans who voted for him and hispanic americans, other groups, very small. and there were many who thought reagan is just going to rule for the rich and the white. so reagan makes a point of reaching out across america's diversity to say he's going to be president for every one. he made a point of saying he spoke for all americans and i'm quoting regardless, ethnic and racial divisions.

and he talked about a domestic that produced a healthy, growing economy. any republican would say that that provides equal opportunities for all americans with no barriers born of bigotry or discrimination. when i read that passage, students, they often assume it's a democrat. that was reagan. he went on to say, we, we shall reflect compassionate. that is so much a part your makeup. how can we love, our country and not love our countrymen and loving them? reach out a hand when they fall. heal them when they're sick and provide an opportunity to make them self-sufficient. so they will be equal. in fact. and not just in theory. now, his policies cutting back on government, they were they were not good for many in poor and the poor have more from the minority than any other percent percentage. but his of america was one in which everybody counted because

of who you and who you were was an american, which was an idea not about ethnic identity. and that's why when you find, a black or hispanic america republicans of a certain age, they almost always have ronald reagan as their hero because he described america, which everybody everybody participate. he also did eloquent job of restating values. now the most important value that he talked about was liberty. and he explained that he thought the united states had prospered as no other people on earth because and dignity of the individual been more available and assured here in any other place on. but liberty isn't enough by itself. democrats often will focus on equality. reagan took a slightly different. he focused opportunity reasoning

that if we could make the american dream available everyone that that would provide the opportunity for every one to succeed. for example, he said ending inflation means freeing all americans from the terror of runaway living costs all must share in the productive work of this new beginning and all must share in the bounty of revised economy. you hear him saying again and again that his idea was for everyone in his policies didn't lead to that often at the domestic front. but his vision of is an entirely colorblind kind of version in which american identity is defined by ideals. place, place the nation. in the story of the of our history and. remember, we're in a dark time. the combination of inflation and unemployment is over 20%. that's, you know, democrats had

a tough time running in this midterm election. but it's nothing what it was in 1980. and reagan fought focused on that early in the speech. he talked about how we face an economic affliction of greater proportions. he talked the worst sustained inflation. our national history and unemployment that produces human misery and personal. he talked about high taxes that penalize achievement and keep us from maintaining full productivity. but he has a very optimistic narrative that the question is how he be optimistic at a point like that. and he talks about how they're going to check and reverse the growth of government. but normally when we have high unemployment we government to step in and do something and what reagan is saying is that needs to step back and also cut taxes.

his answer is that reagan thought the country could achieve great not because of government, but because of all of you. and i have two clips i want to show now from the inaugural inaugural. we hear much of special groups. well, our concern must be for a special interest group that has too long neglected it knows no sectional boundaries or ethnic and racial divisions. and it crosses political party lines. it is made up of men and women who raise food, patrol our streets. man our minds, factories, teach our children, keep our homes and healers when we're sick. professionals in, industrialists, shopkeepers, cabbies and truck drivers. they are, in short, we the people. this breed americans.

well, this administration's will be a healthy, vigorous, growing economy that provides equal for all americans with no barriers born of bigotry or discrimination. and now let me show another. we have every right to dream heroic dreams. those who say that we're in a time when there are no. they just don't know where to look. you can see heroes day going in and out of factory gates. others, a handful number produce enough food to feed all of us and the world beyond. you meet heroes across a counter and they're on both sides of that counter. there are entrepreneurs, faith in themselves and faith in an idea who create new jobs, new wealth and opportunity.

their and families who take support. the government and whose voluntary gifts support. church charity. culture art and education. their patriotism is quiet but deep. their values sustain. our national life. now i have used the words they and their in speaking of these heroes. i could say you and your because i am addressing the heroes of whom i speak you the citizens of this blessed land. your dreams, your hopes, your are going to be the dreams the hopes and the goals this administration. so me, god. in reagan's narrative, the nation would succeed not because of government. but government would get out of the way, all of you.

and notice when he describes professions. this is 1981. he would describe different professions today but he does it in a way that's designed to include everyone in the country that if we work hard we can prosper. and he had a very optimistic of the future, but he was honest about we face a difficult situation. he said progress may be slow, measured in inches and not miles, but we progress. it time to reawaken this industrial to get government back within its means and lighten our punitive tax. and these will be our first priorities on. these principles there will be no compromise. and that's what he did. whether you think worked or not, that's what he did. the fifth characteristic and inaugural be presented in a formal and ceremonial style. this speech does not have the

eloquence of candidate or lincoln. what does have the elegance of lincoln? but reagan has a particular for narrative and, a particular gift for describing a nation that includes all of us. i think that's a lot important than the eloquence find in the kennedy inaugural, at least reassure our allies and warn our enemies. we were at a time of grave danger and the cold war and he spoke directly. our allies in europe, japan, australia, around the world to those neighbors and allies who share our freedom. we will strengthen our historic ties and assure them of our and firm commitment. we will match loyalty with loyalty. there's a phrase in there i want to highlight to those neighbors and allies. share our freedom. you for reagan that it's values that are always most important and the values of our allies

that they believed in democracy too. he spoke to the soviets as potential adversaries and first tried to lower the tensions. he said they will be reminded that peace is the highest aspiration of the american people. he then went on to add, we won't negotiate for it, sacrifice that we will not surrender for it now or ever. but at the same time, he's saying he's willing to negotiate and he's committed to peace. he forecast the defense buildup that became the hallmark of his administration, especially the first term. he says one action is required to preserve our national security. we act. we will maintain sufficient strength to prevail if need be. knowing that if this is the most important lie. knowing that if we do, we have the best chance of never to use that strength. if we are strong, we won't have to fight these.

guided his administration. i've written about about foreign policy and soviet rhetoric. he had a build up, but he really meant what said about arms control negotiations when liberals and conservatives heard reagan talk about arms control group believed it. conservatives thought he has to say that liberals thought he doesn't mean it. in fact he did mean it as he demonstrated his second term. but reagan said something else in this speech that was really important about the soviet. he said above, we must realize that no arsenal are no weapon in the arsenals. the world so formidable as will and moral courage of free men and women. and what he meant that ultimately cold war would be decided by ideas. and it was now unfortunately, we've returned to the cold war. now and and we will if that

battle of ideas as determinative as it was then. i think have to hope that america will always be as a foreign policy as president reagan laid out. the last characteristic the president should come across as a strong. i think in the past i have already read. i've it very clear that he did when he promised progress and just said and then he promised that these will be the priorities of his administration. reagan he was not a detailed person on domestic was on soviet policy. but but reagan did out very clear principles and stick to them. the question why it didn't come across as arrogant and the answer that reagan was not claiming credit for doing it himself. rather he was saying that all of would do it. and i want to show one more

passage. and that's the conclusion of the speech. standing here. one faces a magnificent opening up on this city's special beauty and history. at the end, this open mall are those shrines to the giants on whose shoulders we stand. directly in front of me. the monument to. a monumental man, george. father. our country. a man of humility. who came to greatness. reluctant. he led america out of revolutionary victory and the infant nation. off to one side. the stately to thomas jefferson, a declaration of independence flames with his eloquence. and then beyond the reflecting the dignified columns of the lincoln memorial, whoever would understood and in his heart the

meaning of america will it in the life of abraham lincoln? beyond those moments, monuments to heroism is the potomac river. and on the far shore, the sloping hills. arlington national cemetery, with its row upon row of simple white markers bearing crosses or stars of david. they add up to only a tiny fraction of the price that has been paid for our freedom. each one of those markers is a monument to the kind of hero i spoke of earlier. their lives ended in places called wood. they the gone omaha beach, salerno and halfway around the world on guadalcanal and al tarawa, pork chop hill, the chosin reservoir. and in 100 rice paddies and jungles of a place called

vietnam, under one such marker lies a young man, martin, trapped out who left his job in small town barbershop in 1917 to go france with the famed rainbow division there on western front. he was killed trying to carry a message between battalions under heavy artillery. we're told that on his body was found a diary on the flyleaf under the heading. my pledge. he had written these words a america must win this war. therefore i will work. i will save. i will sacrifice lies. i will endure. i will fight. and do my. as if. the issue of whole struggle depended on me.

the crisis we are facing today does not require of us kind of sacrifice that martin trapped our one, so many thousands of others called upon to make. it does require, however, our best effort and our willingness to in ourselves and to believe in our capacity to perform great deeds. to believe that together with god's help, we can and will resolve the problems which now confront us. and after all, why shouldn't we believe we are americans? god bless you and thank you. thank you very. he's reminding us in the grave problems we faced in 1981 of the problems we've overcome before, the problem is we face in 1981 our awful.

are they as bad as those that washington and jefferson fetched? no. are they as bad as lincoln faced? oh, no no, no question. lincoln by consensus. the greatest american. and he's tapping into what's called american exceptionalism. it's the starting point of the american. now we need to recognize we see much more clearly than we did in 1981. the grave flaw was in washington and jefferson about race. grave. but the words jefferson wrote matter and washington's. and especially the fact that washington served two terms and then left the presidency, those that matters to the difficulty is in reminding us of american history, especially if you about lincoln, that if we have to be as as lincoln well then it's

game over. and so we take arlington national cemetery, and he talks about the people who sacrifice, who is martin trapped, how is the small town barbour. i joke it's a useless profession martin tripp. how is all of us in a crisis we stand for what we in. and if we do that, he says, will succeed because of the power of our ideas as our ideals. that's reagan can come across as a strong leader, but not a vain leader. know the irony is that he said very, very similar to something that president obama, in accepting renomination 2012. when asked why he was optimistic about america, obama said, i'm optimistic because of you. and that very to what reagan said.

the inaugural is just great. it does everything inaugural supposed to do with seven characteristics. we went through all of them. he he did fulfill so his character respects. he does it in an engaging way. has the style is not as good as kennedy. but the content is. yeah. i'm a liberal democrat, but the content dramatic and he he established and ran small government conservatism for a generation and he has a particular gift for narrative. the question, though, remains why was it popular? given that over that, then and over time, even more so, the didn't agree with him on cutting back the size of government. i think there are two answers to that. and the first part of the answer is reagan didn't so much win the argument about ideology as he won the narrative in the passage

that you've seen reagan us a variant of the dream in which the is the individual. and if government gets out of the way the individual. we can prosper. and especially at the. after 1983 the economy did come back. now many people that more to the federal reserve to president reagan. but it's seemed to verify everything that he said. in 1984, he ran for reelection under up a slogan of it's more earning again in america that were moving in the right direction. and that narrative of the that government was too big. and if government would get out of the way, we would achieve what we had always achieved. that was a powerful narrative then, and it is a and empowering now.

that's one thing he did. the second thing that reagan that i've written about both these things and academic journals is reagan didn't talk like other concern. motives tend to be dower and tone. when they talk about government, they talk. first principles. sometimes you'll hear phrase starving the beast. the beast government. we have to cut back. it's a principle we can't spend money. that's not how reagan talked. reagan defense ended small government priorities, less government less regulation. not no government. not no regulation. but he did it in optimistic tone. he talked about the pragmatic benefits of cutting back on. that's the way liberals talk. they say with this expansion of government, we can do this with this expansion, we can help this group. but reagan does the opposite it.

but he doesn't focus not on groups. he focuses on all of us. so what reagan did, hiring is the thing that makes reagan's ideology so dominant is that he talks like a liberal than a conservative because he focuses on the pragmatic benefits of action. the two things that made reagan successful. whereas for narrative, his recasting the american dream away from a government version and a community oriented version is what this really is. and toward an individualistic government where if government out of the way that ordinary people can prosper and will forward, i want to say and then secondly to defending less

government as pragmatically advan just for people, it's not we'd like to help you, but we can't it and so stuck in reagan's version cutting back on government would help everyone regard less of identity and and notice, unlike khomeini and conservatives today, conservatives today, there are no warnings of dangerous groups. there's one group, reagan's concerned the american people as a whole. and in his view, they're all heroes. as long they remain committed to their ideals. now again, the policies did not live up to that. but you understand why the ideal is the narrative and the way he talked them were so appealing and so today. when you when you look at the traditional republicans who have

rejected the way that president trump has taken the republican party, they're almost all just the reaganites. john kasich, the former governor of, ohio is perhaps the best single example that they're because believe in these principles. now i talked about the arc of american history earlier and i want to talk about why the arc change changed. and we moved back to a to the kind of vision of government one that president obama presided. there are a couple of reasons for that. if you think about it, in 1932, night march, 1933, when he gave us the inaugural, president roosevelt talks about the importance of a new deal for the american. that's a community oriented vision of the american people. roosevelt wanted people work hard, but government would do the people what they could not do for. reagan government's gotten too big. if we cut back on government, we can help all the people.

but after after 20 some years, that vision of america didn't work so well as a theory anymore. her and hurricane katrina. it didn't seem like cutting on government had worked out very well. the rich, poor gap had gotten huge. and in iraq had seemed to see failure of an interventionist foreign policy and who was dying in iraq and aside from the iraqis, the afghanistan. it was the made up of working class people largely. and so seemed like reagan's ideas did not work very well. and in that point, barack obama then a state senator from, illinois talked about, had the 2004 democratic national convention, he said, with just a

slight change in our priorities, we do more to help everyone. and then and he as president and a very important in kansas of all he talked about we needed that everybody needed to do their fair share everyone needed to get fair shot. and you see, you can stretch that the narrative trajectory from. fdr, government can help us do what we cannot do for ourselves. to reagan's saying government's too big and the best way to help the people is to cut back on government to the perceived failures of reagan's views, setting the stage for president obama. state senator and later president obama. to say with just a slight change in our perspective, we can help american achieve the american dream. notice that in terms of values,

there's very little difference between. fdr and reagan and. it's narrative and ideology where they are different ideology, more government. last government. and in narrative individualistic version of the american dream versus. a community oriented version of the american dream. at the end of obama's presidency in the 2016, the nation took sharp turn away from either of the ideas of president obama or the ideas of president to a world view that i've also written about, which dangerous others and it emphasizes grieving. and it is the very of the that president reagan talked about throughout his presidency and the great quest in american politics today for conservatives is will the continued of word

movement be the national populism with the heroic leader of president trump? or will it be back to the small government of ronald reagan, where the hero is not the leader? the hero is all of you. what do you think. about. what place we're going to live? well thank you. i was asking question about where where you thought republican party was going to go. it'll probably stay like in the trump era long time and around the world. yes, we were we recently one midterm election that seems like to conservatives or a pattern a few conservatives are. pushing away from trump. right. so, mike is a write in

republican mike dewine today, another governor of ohio. how they seem to be concentrated in ohio, liz cheney, as are liz cheney and, definitely our reagan republican. i would as about as tough as president reagan did. it seems that a lot more politicians are very socially conscious of the whole don't country is more socially conscious. and that's an absolutely great point. although i think if reagan were here if he'd say what we need to lift up all of us not because we're different but because we're the same and help the people who are in need for. of race or gender or anything else. he was not a hater. something to be said for his optimistic vision. we can try living up to. anybody else. i think that it's going to take. i think that it's going to in

the trajectory of what trump has set up for the republican party until there's another great leader that rises like reagan that knows how to use rhetoric and narrative, a way to speak to the american people without offending anybody and somewhat being able to change a little bit of their mindset to get them back to kind where we were with reagan. yeah, i think that's such a smart comment that it depends upon having someone with a very tan and the host, but a stick to it. and it's it's not it's less about charisma and more about. elevate the press by saying that in american rhetorical history it's about once a generation then every hundred and 50 years you get a lincoln or a king you know that teddy roosevelt, franklin roosevelt, reagan, obama and like i say, lincoln for the true saint. so that every 150 ears. so. and i think, you know, some it

may well be right that it takes someone reagan's level. i want authenticity and that mutt eloquence and i will add one more thing about this reagan he was the best editor of his own speeches and would write first draft sometimes him in the theory that reagan was a mere actor. there is consensus among reagan's speechwriters that the best speechwriter ronald reagan ever had with ronald reagan. you know, when you have something say you don't delegated to somebody else, right? right. to do that. republicans are going to continue the trump. i think you're kind of candidates who think they're going to go. or do you think that they're going to try and find reagan? he is going to be a hero. i, i. i think this country. let me dodge that question

slightly. i think this country needs a principled government party, a conservative party. and that if you had to a principled small government leader, it would be and need a principled more government party. and so i hope we can get to a point that happens again. and hating each is not the answer. you know, criminals call out evil. yes, but lifting of us up is the answer. and they both said that of reagan.you can't tell.

good evening. hello. g thank you, katie. good evening,