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>> in america today the fabric of our nation would never felt more divided. and we are too fixated on our differences. he's black, he's white. he grew up in the city, and he's a farm boy from utah. he's a democrat, and he's a republican. on paper, we could not be more different. and yet we are both dads. we both love college basketball.

we both have really stylish haircuts. and we are both proud americans. we disagree passionately on lots of issues. but we are friends. and we respect each other. politics is important. but it should not define us or destroy our relationships. his name is spencer cox. and his name is wes moore. and we approve this message. >> please welcome to the stage, chairman of the board of trustees of the ronald reagan presidential foundation and institute, mr. fred ryan. [applause] mr. ryan: good morning. welcome to the reagan institute. we are delighted today to be joined by governor cox and first

lady abby cox. thank you for joining us this morning. each year the chair of the national governors association tackles an issue they care deeply about. ultimately they shape that issue into the initiative that helps them define their time as nga leader. as this year's chair, governor cox took on a bold challenge. getting americans to get along better. the governor's disagree better initiative was born of a deep concern over polarization in our country. governor cox recognized the nation needs leaders to step up and model a more positive path forward, and the governors to be the front line of this work. the nga and organizations around the country have convened conversations recorded as, written not beds, and organize debates in service of the role of disagreeing better. to learn more about the progress of this program and ways we can expand it, we're delighted to have the governor with us this morning. please welcome the 18th governor

of the state of utah, spencer cox. [applause] welcome, governor pritzker's great to have you here at the institute. -- gov. cox: we will welcome y'all to utah whenever you want to come. mr. ryan: we will take that as an invitation. we are working to showcase innovative programs helping close the divide and help find common ground among americans. of all the things you could do as chair of the nga, you picked this issue. could you share a little bit about why this was important and why disagree better became your signature issue? gov. cox: thank you again for having me here picked it is a true honor to be here and i am so excited for this center. it is timely.

it is so necessary. we get to do an initiative and bill mcbride, the head of the nga, is with us here today. governors before me have had wonderful initiatives. computer science in our school. infrastructure. teen mental health. and we were looking at those types of initiatives. at the top of our list we were looking at health care reform. we looked at critical minerals and energy policy. more traditional issues. this had always been in the back of our minds. it became very clear that we cannot solve our nation's problems if we hate each other. and we were seeing so much dysfunction in washington, d.c. i think that was on display yesterday, although dysfunction was replaced with a little bit of function which was kind of nice for a change. i want to give credit where it is due. and so, we started kind of

kicking this idea. could we elevate civility -- although this is a little different, we can touch on that in a minute. could we elevate that issue to become an issue like guns or abortion or something else? i fact, i would put it above all the other issues. because again, if we truly care about doing things, and sadly, there are elected officials who are not interested in solving problems, who are here for performative reasons. but could we try to do something there? so i have to say, this was not just a feel-good something that we made up. we reached out to experts, researchers, we spent a lot of time with stanford's polarization and social change lab, darkness and others who have really tried to influence the work that we are doing.

this is something i cared about before i was mgh chair. he saw the ads i did with governor moore. i had done an ad in 2020 with my democratic opponent when i was running for governor. a friend of mine had talked to me in the end of september and said i am really worried about what is happening in our country. 2020, we were on the presidential cycle, so 2020 we had had rioting across the country in the wake of george floyd's murder, and then we were already hearing from my party that we were undermining the legitimacy of an election that had not even happened yet. so she said, isn't there something i can do? i said, i don't know, what can i do? but it kept me up all weekend. i called my opponent that next week and said, i have this crazy idea. what if we did an ad together, and he was very confused.

a campaign ad. but i talked him through and i said i know you care about our country and i do too. so we did something similar to that where he said, i am chris peterson and i think you should vote for me. while we disagree on a lot of things, we both agree we can disagree without hitting each other, that we care about our country, and we will accept the results of this election, whatever they are. that ad went viral and that was hopeful to me that there is a majority out there. stanford tested that ad is one of interventions with 35,000 people and found it has a measurable impact in lowering the propensity towards violence and de-polarizing. so as we were kind of kicking this idea around without, maybe we can convince other governors to do this as well and that is how disagree better was born. mr. ryan: if you look at the research data, and i am sure you

have, it is disturbing to see how divided we are at this moment in a country and how difficult it is to find common ground. from your perspective, how did we get here? what brought us to this point? gov. cox: we have thought a lot about this. we have talked to researchers about this. and i have come to my own conclusions about how we got here. and i like to start with the breakdown of institutions. i think that is kind of where this starts. if you go back to the 1830's and you read about alexis's visit here and the thriving of institutions that were so important to our country, especially religious institutions, but so many other volunteer organizations. we did not rely on government to do all of these things pretty we had a strong civil society. if we needed into hospital, we built a hospital. there was a rootedness and connectedness that was so important. professor robert putnam wrote a

book which i am sure most of you remember, over 20 years ago, maybe 25 years ago. to me, that was kind of the first sign of trouble. that we were lonelier than ever before. the concept was that more people were bowling in the united states than ever before, but there were fewer bowling leagues than ever before. instead of forming bowling leagues, we had community and thriving, people would bowl by themselves. so this loneliness epidemic that he kind of found and started talking about was growing in this country pretty americans had fewer real friends than ever before. and we are wired for connection. and so that predated social media. then we lay cell phones and social media on top of that.

now you have fake connections, not real connections. i don't have any real friends, but we need tribes, so we can all hate the same people together on facebook. so we started those tribes. and then the algorithms of social media kind of took over our lives and cable news. and they figured out how to get us addicted to contempt, which is a real thing. tim shriver, who is here with us, and his organization, they talk often about this. outrage is as addicting as opioids, as gambling, as sugar. it hits the same receptors in our brain. and so now we are in our tribes, algorithms are pushing us towards this, cable news figured it out too, that we can get addicted to outrage, and never have to have real conversations with anyone different from us. again, i think there are lots of things, but all of those things

lined up. and then what happens is, now you have the perfect recipe for conflict entrepreneurs, in the media but also in politics, to kind of step into this void. and use fear and divisiveness to bring us together and tear us apart, if that makes sense. bring a tribe together, but by defining others and tearing us apart, and we end up with this kind of morass that we find ourselves in today. mr. ryan: eric schmitt has defined as three pieces for certain media outlets, successfully get revenue, they need viewers or cliques, and to do that they need outrage. back to disagree better, you have rolled this out the last few months. can you talk about the areas you have seen the greatest success, then maybe about the areas where there is still a need for more impact, and maybe even how it can be scaled further? gov. cox: the area of greatest

impact has been, i think, a little surprising to all of us. again, in this hyper polarized world i thought i might get left out of the room when i even brought up this concept to my fellow governors. it was the exact opposite. i first presented it to the republican governor, since that is how they choose. national governors association, one of the last bastions of true bipartisan work, republicans and democrats working together, we alternate chair and vice chair every year. so the democrat from colorado is my vice chair. but the republicans choose their chair and the democrats choose their chair. so i presented it to my republican colleagues and was pleasantly surprised at the response, how excited they were. even some of them who would say, i cannot say this publicly, but we desperately need this and i want to help if i can behind the

scenes. even better, those who are willing to help in front of the scenes. we have had now 20 governors who have filmed ads like the one i have done, most of them was someone from the other party, a mayor from their state, someone that they respect. and so that's been great. also, just the overwhelming response from the public. everywhere we go we hear, this is so refreshing. like, we used to do this, we used to know how to do this. they are desperate for it. we talk often about the statistics and the pole and that shows how bad it is out there. i'm also optimistic about the polling that shows 70% of americans hate our policies right now. they are hungry for something different. there is an exhaustive majority out there, and we have seen that. also, how many great organizations are involved in this work?

if nothing else, i think our greatest accomplishment will have been bringing all of those organizations together to have these conversations. they are all out there, but they have never really gotten together to see how they can maximize their potential. and so if anything outlives me with this, in july, i hope it is -- and it is up in july, it is that they are working together to solve this problem. the hard part is scaling this. we have these ads --excuse me. when people see these ads, they like them, they are really inspired by them. they know it has an impact. we know from stanford's work that these can help depolarizing us as a nation. frank luntz also did some work around this. he did a massive poll and found

it was overwhelmingly positive. people are dying for anything like this. and yet we just don't have the resources. we put them on social media and hope people watch them. i would love to see these running during the nba finals. so, it's kind of budget and scale that is an issue. and then just hoping more people understand. the incentive structure in our country is all misaligned. there is no incentive to do stuff like this. so we are trying to help convince governors first, because governors have to actually do stuff. that is why we kind of thought they are the best group to work together. we do this bipartisan work anyway. but outside of that, to help people understand, not just that it is a good thing to do for our country but that it is good for politics, that you can get elected or reelected doing this.

there are some problems with the way we select candidates that makes it a little more difficult to do this. where again, the incentives are to be performative, to be loud, to be outrageous. even though the vast majority of americans don't want that. there is a misalignment there. and so that is a piece we still need to figure out. mr. ryan: on that point, how the political incentives, at least maybe in congress as an example, are at odds with trying to increase civility, trying to find common ground. some of the most visible of congress have their visibility because of the outrageous things they do, the divisive things they do, their place in social media. gov. cox: i don't mean to correct you, but i would say all of the most visible. mr. ryan: so how do we change the incentives? they are doing it because it works for them. maybe not for everybody, but for those who are doing it. how do we change the incentives

so that does not work for someone who is seeking office? gov. cox: again, i think there are some structural pieces that are not necessarily part of what we are doing what that there are other groups working on that are important from an electoral standpoint. but there are things we can all do. i do think we need to take a hard look at the internet and social media in general. just finished a book and had a great conversation with the offer -- with an author called my greatest fight that i highly recommend. and he has a very -- some very bold ideas around completely restructuring the internet itself, the very fabric of the internet and how it works, to help us so that we don't just have a few very large duopolies or monopoly-like companies controlling all of this and controlling those algorithms that i think is really critical to this conversation. but i have to say, the answer is

truly all of us, and at the local level deciding that we are going to make this initiative. so that when you are in a town hall with a candidate and you're asking them what their position is on abortion or guns or position on guns or whatever, if you ask what are you doing polarize our, where you going to do to bring together to solve problems? as get out of the question and our hope is we are trying to change the structure to the people note you can talk about this because the national language you're working on language to do this and then to show backlash is it what you think it's going to become everyone has an ad like this and they were pretty nervous like

what's going to happen this backlash? ten to one, it is so refreshing and that gives information to do at whon and hope is look see this would never run for office say i do this. that interests and we can get different candidates running for office.us the structure now that brings outst people who thrive in that type of environment. >> talking about the challenges in thisng moment caucus much moe to go. we are looking at college campuses and one thing we spent a lot of time on his a.i.

disinformation misinformation. ...th it is incumbent on every person every single one of us to find ways to bridge a divide and be builders and architects instead of arsonists.

and i'm glad you brought up ai. it's about to get so much worse. the power of ai tote tear us apt is incredible. so w what can we do? spent time face-to-face with people who are different than us. i get criticism. one of criticism by get mostly on the right is you want us to go along to get along. you do not believe in anything you want to hang out with democrats. they are not all bad. [laughter] this is not a kindness

initiative. we need more civility awaited more kindness. we chose the word disagree on purpose. we want people to stay true to the principal and values to be passionate. not to ask you to compromise on anything. that's the first part. on the left the attacks are generally, why would i engage with those people? those people are irrational. those people do not want me too exist. or whatever it is. i think that screaming at each other is dangerous it. not talking to each other at all is more dangerous. that will never lead to a solution and make our country a better place. and so we have to have real conversations with people who are different from us. we find out what we do that and i can give countless examples is we are not as different as we thought we were. that is one.

number two is we need to stop defining ourselves by our political identities. one is growing up in my congregation and in my town i did not know who republicans or crdemocrats work. were.that's so far down the lis. but it did with governor moore is a great example of how to do this. i'm an mba fan i am an american. i am a republican or democrat was so far down the list. so finding shared identities is really important. service is a big one. when we serve our communities and give back to the experts tell us that's a great way to de- polarize. there is a bond that forms we sacrifice and get back to make a place better. that's another really, really important one.

that is something that comes from jon adams. he talks about political virtues. we often do not talk about virtue these days. but he had a quotes, he talks about the political virtues of patients, moderation and humility. patience, moderation and humility without those things we are all a ravenous beast of prey. you understand the natural man the natural human instinct are divisive. our brutish and short and all of those things. if we can practice humility and moderation now it seems almost humilityo talk about and patience and politics. but one of my favorite quotes is talk of the spirit of liberty. we think in america about the

spirit of liberty we think about an eagle with a machine gun. [laughter] a truck with an american flag. what ever. hef said the spirit of liberty s the spirit which is not too sure it's right. the spirit of liberty seeks to understand the minds of men and women. that is very powerful to me this idea i'm going to listen and listen to learn not listen to debate. we ask people to assess question you're in a high conflict situation just to ask, tell me more about why you feel that way? that shows your interest in the other person. it shows the humility, a willingness to listen and understand. gives an opportunity to cool down. and then gives the other person

a chance to actually think about what they believe. they asked the question multiple times. eventually you will find common ground and may be, may be a common solution maybe not but that is okay. if you contact ideas instead of people those are little things. little things add up over time it will make it better in whatever sphere influence we have. cooks are going to questions and just a second period i wanted to point out when you walked in the first image you saw is a photo of ronald reagan. two people who could not be more ideologically different frontal rug in the conservative government from the left hip oatmeal the speaker from the east. they did not let it get to the point to feel they were not a good person. some that we havee evolved. if they have a different view on you they are a bad person out to destroy the country and take away everything you believe.

but it took us a while to get in the process. how dobu we start to break that series? settlement might have an idea you think is really bad that is were approximate matters. the author of the book just mercy i recommend to everyone. that was his big aha moment. black attorney and alabama attoa representing death row inmates. talk about that racial issues that were there and some of the prison guards he had to deal with who humiliated him in terrible ways. how hard it was to get proximate to those people. when they did it change everything. it's just harder to hate up close. that's what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did, right?

one of the things i element most about what happened in congress want tont talk to members of congress who served in the 80s and 90s in the early 2000's they would go to dig dinner together that they would things together. that is not happening for their reasons for that. they've accused members of congress are never big and in theirdistrict is putting too, d.c. get there and get home as quickly as possible. then the animosity started to grow. and the relationships fell apart but ronald reagan and tip o'neill as example. is the best example of how this is supposed to work. it takes time it takes investment. it iss hard. as a country we have become addicted to pleasure instead of happiness. and pleasure is a false substitute for happiness.

again as the dopamine hits in our brain the pleasure isdd addicting and we sit in all kinds of forms addiction to social media, addition to drugs, addiction to gambling, addiction to sugar. all of the sinks are supplantine supplanting or replacing true happiness. we are wired foror connection. there is a different chemical that gets released at the same receptors. it's not dopamine at serotonin. it is fulfillment. it leads to a sense of fulfillment and accomplishment. what we know is we get that chemical and that happiness from human connection face-to-face connection in person connection even with people who are different from us we get dopamine from socialam media.

when shot tip o'neill showed up not by his bedside held his hand and. for him is profound disagreement. we have a whole bunch of different people. this idea a nation founded on an idea not religious people or racial people it was founded on this idea all of us are created equal. we are given these god-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness thed government waset designed to protect us from the sinks. we set up institutions are known to get to power but we would have to find ways to work together. it's the only way our nation can survive is our willingness to be ronald reagan and tip o'neill.

>> members of congress who infrequently engage with the other party with governors they do engage with the other party but is a work for w governors? >> again mentioned how the structures are messed up and they u are. they're still an incentive for governors the members of congress. and that is so that we have to do stuff. [laughter] >> we like to say potholes are nonpartisan. and one of the genus i put limits start at the top. i know this was at a little political i do not mean to, i believe this is more factual. one of the brilliant pieces of our country was this idea of federalism. to be coequal partners. one of the mistakes we made of the country will be critical of the left first but trust me i will get to the right.

with feeling something is right the entire country should be doing it. that is a hugeth mistake. he used to be a right/left argument and now my team has decided the same thing whatever we believe is the right waydo to do something. and force it on the rest of the country. it will look very different if we let the laboratory of democracy to work. because i have seen it. i've seen it with governors. we still ideas from each other all the time. we don't care why the ideas come from. ifis it's a good idea, housing s a good example. we had at roundtable on housing with governors. it's one of my favorite things and this isn't that why the price of housing and how expensive it is right now. i said if someone just came in from another country right now, had no idea who any of us were. or someone from our country came into the room.

[laughter] they would not be able to tell who were the republicans and who were the democrats in that room. because we are trying to solve a problem. i think that is very unique. still a little bit different. the governors were the last in the room. there is some adult at the kids table.t [laughter] but mostly, mostly because the makes a real difference. i would just encourage us to allow more of that to happen. i think abortion is a good example. look what happened in abortion and europe they overtime found a stasis of abortions are illegal up to 12 -- 15 weeks. kind of in that range. when we force it on the entire country and it led to so much.

and now we have taken that away and you see a crazy range. we never really dealt with at the california and utah are different.t. that is a good thing, it really is. we will learn from each other. when things get too far out of whack in one place the citizens will demand someone else's more successful utah keeps getting ranked at number one and u.s. at news and world i would say 70 different categories over 1000 data points rankingve all 50 states and utah came out number one people will come and ask what is utah doing and they will steal from us. >> won't go to a couple questions from the floor. i think we have a microphone. >> my question is do governor cox and your role as the national governors association chairman. with the local governors of ukraine are copying you and your

model for economic development. especially the governor elected regional council chair. how are you going to do that? they want to copy at your model bringing businesses when you travel enduring economic development and have their own edc. this is something zelenskyy wants to just take the power from the federal government to the regions. our federal government does not do economic development basically. but you guys do and you're the top state in the country. you're probably the best person for them to talk too. >> actually had conversations. i was not on the trip but utah was the first state to take our economic teams since the invasion. met with president zelensky were very involved with what is happening in ukraine.

and deeply troubled at the terror that continues to happen there. very grateful we got some funding to ukraine. in allowing the vote to go forward. i think if ronald reagan would have approved. we will continue to work with are you creating counterparts to help them develop that. and that is exactlyan right. to the economic development moving, thank you. question over there? >> good morning i am victoria from the foundation for thank you for the work you're doing but i'm curious about the perception is been like on college campuses. you brought discussion two different campuses. >> we kind of tried to focus on adifferent areas. one, youth and families will have more to say. we will be talking about that.

working with ceos whose black channels are blowing up and struggling with conflict resolution. elected officials but the fourth area was on the college campus. we have been working again with different groups. some mayu be familiar with bravr angels. abraver and jewels has an amazg campus debate model. and so we have taken that campus debate model to sever college campuses and participate in these debates with college students. at the little differently traditional debate not just two people up on stage arguing with each other. everyone in the audience as part of the debate. everyone gets an opportunity, who wants to cut to come up. and share their views. we pick a controversialal topic and then we let the students come up and argued their position. there aree some ground rules tht you address the chair instead of a person.

you are respectful to the person. it is really cool to see how this works. the response has been overwhelmingly positive. when i sit overwhelmingly one 100% approval rating for the people to who participate in this. unlike anything i've seen. what we hear is this is so refreshing. i did not know we could do this. and so will i was so animated and excited i've left deeply troubled and depressed about what's not happening in our college campuses. because when i went to college i studied political science. this is what we did. almost every class was deep in heated debates and energizing. we would talk about it after words, go to dinner and hangul out. never once thought i can't be friends with that person because we are on the other side of the issue. what we are seeing on too many

college campuses is a one, many college campus is so little viewpoint and diversity number two, and there is debate people feel so uncomfortable oror unsae that they disengage very quickly. and as a learned skill and theyd don't know how to do it. i will say one of the very interesting thing, there has been someth studies that people who participated and organized organizedebate in high school oe are much less a polarized and the rest of the country. because to do so, you have to understand the other side of the argument. when you understand the other side of an argument you realize they're not just evil people, they are stupid people as a rationale behind even if you disagree with it and that makes

you much more tolerant of diverse viewpoints. sadly again -- make that every college campus and not everywhere on college campuses by andn large we completely lot that. again speaking of scale i wish there was away. there are groups doing this in our college campuses recommitting to this. i do think the pendulum is swinging andin i'm happy to see that towards viewpoint diversity. along unpopular voices to be heard. defending the first amendment even if you hate with the person is saying. and then getting back to figuring out true debate without hate. >> another question? >> thank you for being here. ppreally appreciate all your efforts governor cox i work on house select committee on tcp. we do a lot of bipartisan

worker.t something that's very important and what to what you said here today is the collective action problem of the pluralist project from my perspective on the committee. once we have the members in the room on both a lot of things can done. but as you said it is the scale, the finances, the budget. what do you see as the most pertinent solution to the budget and scale problem from your perspective? is it realigning the incident the electoral processes of getting donors in a room to back these efforts? is it giving people the language? what is the primary way we can solve that problem? >> is a great question. i wish i had a better answer. certainly a couple billionaires stepping forward thing this is our life's work could make a difference that way.

when state politics is with culture. so one and things i've been wrestling with and how we get the culture. now politicians are part of culture so governor speaking about this. this the science says this can make a difference. i have been trying to figure out pop-culture. and then a large corporation advertising budgett. let me go back to the stanford polarization. they had 25 interventions. ours was one of the 25 interventions. the most successful video was a heineken ad. some of you may have seen it. it kind of went viral. basically they would put two people in the room. like a bar.

two strangers would build the bar together. you do conversation now you get a choice you can have a beer together, a heineken, or you can leave the room before you choose that were going to show you a video. they have interviewed all these people beforehand. talk about political views they were extremists on example was a person he was actually transgender people disbarred together and commit and save got to watch this first. there is an awkward awful moment when they realize they justey spent an hour doing this project with someone they hated. they didn't know they hated them until just after this. then they said you get to choose. this moment when they choose to

stay. if you have a soul or a heart it will make you cry. it's very powerful i encourage you to watch it. heineken sold a lot of beer at. [laughter]of they made people feel something. i would love and we made this. corporate america wants to stay with him politics. michael jordan's republicans buy shoes too. he is right. turn that around. that's not getting involved in politics is about bringing america together and helping them feel something. i always had this great idea for an ad to be able to pull up in front of two houses they are moving in. you have got a big truck rolling down the road. you've got an electric vehicle pulling up on the other side. you got a bumper sticker that match.

two families get out with their kids they side eye each other they walk into their houses one puts up a maga flag one put up a pride flag. you see the kids secretly talking in the backyard and they come out at night replace both flights with an american flag. then you see the dads walk out and mcdonald's together in the backyard. that something again they get this into the culture to talk about. we've been talking to the largest talent agency in the world trying to get celebrity succumbed to our nga meeting to have these conversations. i do think there is something about giving people permission again. but they say when they see these videoses is oh my gosh, thank yu for this is what i want but i didn't know how to articulate i did know this is what i wanted but this is what i wanted. i don't think we can leave it up to the politicians. i don't.

i think it's up to the rest of us. >> we are just about out of time. they disagreeing or what's behind it? >> look, you to utah is very unique and lots of ways but the researchers will tell you this too. i have an amazing economy by most metrics the best economy in the nation over the past 10 years. the top three in any ranking. we are t proud of that. but there is something different and something unique that scholars have come literally weekly we get calls or visits from scholars from harvard, yale, other places all of the country coming to figure it was different about utah. now i want to sit we are trending the way of the rest of the country. we are further behind. what they tell me is there's a couple things. we lead and service made to lead

the nation in charitable giving every year. those institutions again alexis de tocqueville when he was here talked about the importance of those volunteer institutions. we have more of those in utah. i cannot talk about utah without talking about the religious peace. the church is only about halfusf the population now. other amazing religious leaders in the state and religion plays a very prominent role. being an institution where people find connection with people who are different than f them. work every week there's anotherg safety net, not just the government. you have neighbors and fellow congregants and others we have very robust institution outside of that volunteer organization they do this type of work.

i believe that makes utah differentt but one of the rankings two of the rankings i am most proud of we lead the nation in social capitol. again that as a result of some of the social capitol social capitol and upward mobility work together born in poverty and utah the upward mobility the american dream is still alive and well. the last piece i am really proud of is that we lead the nation and non- zero-sum thinking. the scarcity mentality of zero-sum thinking if i went you are losing up i went you lose its dog eat dog it's us against the world. that's very dangerous. the abundance mentality if you and that's good for all of us. that still happens in utah.

and something i think matters. that helped with the happy nation last year in their survey work. happiness versus pleasure as i mentioned before, the happiness comes because of those connections. government isn't good. it was not designed to fill that gap. government cannot connect us or bring us together. it can provide a safety net for sure. we need strong civic institutions. we are seeingin more people leae our churches in utah, just like everywhere else. the fastest growing faith in america are the nuns. and oh and es. not because i think everyone has to be religious i'm not saying that atyo all. when you leave those institutions what he replacing them with? we don't have a good answer to that iner our country right now. we are not replace them with bowling leagues, i can tell you that. we are replacing them with

facebook hate or whatever, twitter. the experts will tell you that is what utah is doing better. i'm also deeply worried about it.. it's not in our dna% inherent there's nothing that says will keep that we have to be intentional about ripped the speak about at the builder and community. i believe in rootedness wherever you are, that is the answer. we need to stop telling kids to go out and change the world. it's making them anxious. they're not going to do it it's just not good for them or for us. but we need to tell kids to do is change their neighborhood. to invest to volunteer to help them out to go to the local food bank or whatever it is. that is how we fix all of this. it really is in our local families, our neighborhoods in our congregation.

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