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>> because about this initiative. what does it do amultipurpose support this ? >> concerns the initiative i need is for me to groups, project which is a profamily social conservative organization be anything organization will. they have heard loud and clear from their members to things one, why should anymore these boxes are so unreliable, that wasn't a sort of a man membership that these organizations wait in two lose confidence and what the us accuracy and reliability elections. marjorie danny believes this is the where she made it

interesting is working will disagree that it abortion gains by those who support abortion have been made in the courts which is not the democratic institution of our threebranch system . whereas the pro-life movement has done very well pointing out the truth of life from the moment of f conception to the public and moving the culture and loss in that direction over a number of decades so their actions and confidence that they are fair elections, is something i would matter is viewed as a cornerstone from those organizations stand and what we're after we say all the time, easy to vote, hard to teach. we want to seeb& are not only fair but that all parties can see our unfairly honestly and accurately produce an

accurate result. the result being what legal voters in election voted for. and we, you george's been in the news lately and in 2018 remind people was democrats that were complaining about issuesin georgia . in 20 you saw conflicts spearheaded by president for in 2016, 26 percent of americans didn't think we were going to be swearing in the vice president next and in 20 2031 percent. that was scott rasmussen was his recent articles so we three, four or five years on both side of the island major concerns encouraging in all of this is we proven we can fix things and when isay we, we americans . that we can do it. look at florida bush versus gore in 2000. they were joe.

they were a laughingstock they were even knowing election the same way in different parts of the state of the basis to clean up the selections come 20 when their complaints all, there are no complaints in florida. quickly, smoothly both sides proceeded to have it is there so we can do this better b. the states as laboratories of democracy have proven they can do a job when they put their mind to it. >> after a plan or a template as far as changing the labeling is done not only in the state mysql national level considering this is being considered in congress? >> there, one for all 230 years since the constitution was in the, actions prosecution references this article one also gets authority to applicable as well. so what congress has never

done that on a broad scope. a conference like past the 14th and 15th minutes. change the voting age to 21 constitution so there will targets by congress. it is the hr one s-1 we will for the federal level. it is a really just terrible bill. all very pieces into place will country. so we focused on a americans about. there were more and less. and then the state-level, working really with basic principles in mind. things like voters should have to be able to demonstrate they arecitizens to the all . people should be equally hospitals people should provide the patient, something across the board.

regardless of your race or party or gender, people so that were. so working with, we work with allies states. 10 states to improve their system. and they're all different, every state be a different eyso we don't have some perspective that we wanted every statement or try to common sense basis the security transparency elements and preserve accessibility in each state. in a way consistent with their tradition, law and history class artist is the essence of. you can ask questions about the transparency. 2027488 202 contextual questions did you 8000 then

that comes to wealthy consider said, you said or a list ofconcerns, was chief among them ? >> is an 800 page so there's lots of room for concern. most of the focus of discussion? a focus of my comments on you know also creates a public financing or campaigns. it gives a 61 director, $200 in taxpayer dollars with an on a campaign and those dollars can be used for candidates on expenses, personal expenses. change the sec to be a partisan majority instead of including prosecuting. perceived offenses and forced that really a radical change. there's also free-speech elements and criminal elements in their that are so bad either the aclu many of

them to be unconstitutional then expressed concern which is the main focus of my concern, they do things first of all like white out all state election laws plan large. they dictate to state what they can and cannot do or must do. it includes things like forgetting voter id which i noted a moment ago is popular across the board as a common sense security measure. studies suppress despite some of the rhetoric about americans seem to notice because they support across more . requires, bands states from acquiring anything more than signature verification to identify from someone is. the problem with that is you don't have to match it to older days. you don't actually know the person you is anything other

than a person who can write on a mandates, and orders for state lines and a voter registration. >> .. leads the use of ballot drop boxes which really weren't a thing, if you will, until covid in 2020 and if you go back in six or eight months states were trying to figure out okay, how will we run the selection well in a covid environment and what this bill . does is take all those things that were, at the time, supposedly one-time changes to accommodate the e-pandemic, including some very

loose practices and makes them permanent. it forces the states to do this and another thing it forces the states to do is that for every adult eligible individual they don't say a citizen and the bill says individual in their own state databases they must register them to vote. so, that includes states that give drivers licenses to illegal aliens and your public health department that they may give vaccines to noncitizens and one would expect that in those names go in the database and they must be sent over to their state voter rolls and enrolled in the other side -- >> is that assistance to voting or mandate to vote? >> it is a voter registration mandate. so the voting of course is the next step so the bill does not change the law from requiring

that only citizens may vote but it sets up a system that i just described where all these names get dumped into the voter roll and it adds a criminal felony for state and local officials and it's very vaguely worded and i believe this is one of the elements the aclu has expressed concern about and very vaguely worded, federal felony that says any impairment or impediment of folks registering to vote or undertaking voting will be prosecuted as a federal felony with significant penalties and so, if you are a state official or department of motor vehicles and someone presents you for the first time they are not your databases but an adult and part of the transaction is them will result in them registering to vote and if there is a federal felony hanging out there to challenge you if you are

perceived to impair their voter registration, are you going to even bother saying hey, or you know, are you a citizen? will you ask questions like that? the purpose, i believe, of the criminal provision is to deter that so the culmination of those things results in or will result over time and millions of people who are not citizens, including people here illegally a being registered to vote that does not mean it's legal for them to vote but if you can't require voter id and if you can't undertake basic security provisions at the polling places or for mailing voting there will be nothing to stop those folks from voting and having been a state attorney general i can tell you that you can't pull ballots out of the ballot box very easily if there is a problem because you don't know which ballot was the problem so, elections are unique in that we have to perform our

security on the front side because we don't get an opportunity to cure on the backside, particularly under the time constraints we work under. >> let me roll and calls that are lined up for you. richard in sparta, new jersey, democratic line. she serves as their chair, richard, go ahead. >> caller: hello, the first thing you talked about was abortion and i just want to make three quick points. there are many women have miscarriages and that is a spontaneous abortion so if you believe in god and in the state and all that then god is the biggest abortionist around and second point i want to make is a fetus [inaudible] in fact, all throughout the vacuum of history it was a live birth and even a week after because so many kids

died. third point i want to make is if you look at the bible in genesis two: seven it says you don't get a soul until you take your first breath. so according to the bible you're not a person until you take your first breath. >> host: color, our topic is elections and their integrity so what do you have a question about. >> caller: he said abortion was okay. >> host: okay, we will leave it there. mr. cuccinelli you can respond but go ahead. >> guest: you know, i would no be working for pro-life organization if i didn't agree and support those principles and i think even in just the recent decades since i've been born science has demonstrated that a human being with all 46 chromosomes when things happen healthilyhe is there at the momt of conception. you know, follow the science but as you pointed out we are supposed to be talking about voter integrity. i work for a pro-life organization that believes the ability to make its case fairly

and publicly inin clean, fair, transparent elections is what it needs to succeed so, i'm not here specifically to advance the cause for life but i am here to work to make sure that there is a level, fair playing field for everyone to make their case on whatever issue it is, whether abortion or guns or taxes or paving the road in the neighborhood and clean, fair elections and i think every american can agree on that. how we make that happen is something that if we talk about in terms of nuts and bolts instead of in terms of republicans and democrats i think we would find massive agreement across the emerging public, polling shows that and it is something that, as i said earlier, am encouraged by the opportunity to do. >> host: independent line, lynchburg, virginia. >> caller: yes, my thought is

couple points i would like to make is if they want to make election for everybody why not make election a holiday and also in georgia it wasn't changed during the trump administration and they said it was a safe election so why would they want to change it and also you don't need a national holiday that the congress needed to make everybody because when the state did it they pick and choose who they want to win where if you got a national election that means it will be acrossct the board from every state. >> sure, robert, i appreciate that and i agree with you about making election day a holiday and i think that would improve

accessibility. virginia, for many years, you had to have a reason to vote absentee and i live in virginia and one of the reasons in our work teen hours to vote and that's 6:00 a.m. until 7:00 p.m. and one of the reasons was and you are in virginia as well noted in lynchburg that you would be gone for work for 11 hours so from door to door 11 hours and if that wasn't the case for as many people and of course even on the holiday many people have to work. police officers, firefighters, healthcare and there are people who have to work but an awful lot of them, most, would be off if it were a holiday so i agree with you in terms of accessibility and i also think one of the areas that there is a level of disagreement across the board and there is nothing partisan about it is should we have no excuse early voting? it really means that we have many election days should we have one election day where

campaigns sort of workup to or should we have one week or 17 days like they have in georgia and we had a caller from new jersey that they just started early voting and the added nine days of early voting so georgia has more early voting than new jersey. i think those are legitimate questions and i think a better route is to make the national election day a holiday like you suggest, robert. i agree with you to improve accessibility and i also having been a candidate believe that there are a few issues you want to cover and deliver messagesew constructively and if the finish line is a moving target becausey you don't know when everybody will vote, it makes that a lot more difficult and you look at the presidential this last go around and one of the things we discussed particularly for the second which did not happen in third presidential debate is that those debates were taking place after people had started

voting so, you know, that is one of the things that i think every state gets to decide that but there are factors that really matter there in terms of how do you want your election to run and i don't think there is an absolute right answer but i agree with you, robert. i think election day should be a holiday to make it more accessible and to everybody. i think that would be ideal and it would not surprise me if out of all of this rigmarole where there is disagreement that that becomes a point of agreement before it's all said and done. >> host: from new york, democrat line, go ahead. >> caller: yes, good morning. i would like to mention the fact that georgia lawsen would enable someone like trump to find extra votes per se and do you feel like he should be prosecuted or should be prosecuted for harassing them people to try to change to steal the election? >> guest: so, i certainly don't think he should be prosecuted for harassing to use your word

to update the voter laws and in georgia as i noted in 2018 had concerns and i pointed out in 2016 at a national level there were concerns about whether the outcomes of the election were appropriate and whether the process was followed and so etllforth. look, georgia, had problems. they've had problems and they are taking steps to fix that. i will use a simple one that doesn't draw a particular conclusion but raises questions that my understanding and rounding off the numbers is there about 18000 people who and i say who voted whose names were used to vote in georgia in the last election who were either dead or registered to vote in a vacant lot or register to vote at a commercial address and that 18000 votes was a relatively

small fraction of the total but the margin was around 12000 and it doesn't mean it change the outcome but it does raise the question did we get the right outcome and we don't even have to go into an argument about whether the answer to that is yes or no because if all we want to do is fix it and make sure that we don't have this problem in the future so you know, there were problems and we saw in different parts of the country and no question that covid and judges responding to covid really complicated things in 2020. i would also note in virginia we have elections every year and vote on odd years there is always some problem but what hasn't typically happened is enough critical mass of people saying h we need to turn and fae this and deal with it and clarence thomas, justice thomas not too long ago in a dissent when the supreme court decided not to hear a case and i don't even remember what case but i know it was an election case he

said look, we get these election cases all the time and we say the election is over and so it's moot and so we never give these people any guidance and that is the court version of what often happens in legislators. they just say can we just move on and go to the next thing so here j the florida example i gae earlier they clearly were motivated to act and i think a lot of other states are motivated to act now and we should make the most of getting ourselves the most modern up to date, clean, fair and obviously fair system. >> host: you mention your partners described the elections as unreliable and going back to the last presidential election did they refer to that and do they go as far as saying it was stolen and is that your contention as well? >> guest: no, i'm not prepared to make that contention. i certainly think that when you have a situation like i described in georgia just in terms of numbers and i was an engineer before i went to law

school so i'm a numbers guy and that raises very serious questions and either side can say definitively how that changed the outcome because we don't know which 18000 ballots that was. for either side to say no, it absolutely did not change the outcome or it absolutely did is an unprovable statement. but it clearly mathematically brought into question whether, without those 18000 ballots that were not properly registered, the outcome would have been different. >> you can see the rest of this washington discussion on her website, c-span .org. right now here on c-span2 be taking live to the u.s. senate which is about to vote on the nomination of the deputy transportation secretary also on today's agenda of the nomination of wendy sherman to be deputy secretary of state. live now to the floor of the u.s. senate here on c-span2.